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01:49 user_8976 format
01:54 * Alias__ will try to finish his Window menu changes today
01:54 Alias__ So we can get closer to doing a release
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02:23 kthakore win 3
03:26 kthakore hi
03:27 kthakore is there a plugin to demonstrate code
03:27 kthakore or walk through code?
03:27 kthakore for a presentation?
03:28 Alias__ Not really
03:28 Alias__ Although you can hold down shift and then use mouse scroll up
03:29 Alias__ er... down
03:29 kthakore Alias__: do you think it will work for this http://gist.github.com/301949
03:30 Alias__ Personally, I'd probably build a new style
03:30 Alias__ Specifically for presentations
03:30 Alias__ That used a simplified font, etc
03:31 kthakore any example?
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04:25 Alias__ kthakore: alas, no
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06:41 Sewi gm all
06:45 szabgab gm from here too
06:46 Alias__ \o
06:54 ecocode wow, people are awake early on this chan
06:58 Sewi ecocode: Depends on your timezone :-)
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07:07 Alias__ ecocode: It's 6pm at night... yes
07:08 Sewi ping marcela
07:08 marcela yes?
07:08 ecocode arf
07:09 Sewi Hi, the trac download page (http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download#Fedora) shows the latest Padre version on Fedora as 0.32, is this still true?
07:10 marcela In Fedora 12 yes
07:10 Sewi thanks
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07:23 Sewi Hi wax, I'm just blogging about you (and others here) :-)
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07:31 * Alias__ will try to finish the new Window menu code tonight
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07:32 Sewi Hi azawawi
07:32 Sewi szabgab, azawawi: Would it be ok to call your area "middle east"?
07:33 szabgab that's what it is called, but where do you need that ?
07:33 Sewi I'll show you within the next minute.
07:34 Sewi szabgab: http://padre-ide.de/blog/?p=95
07:35 Sewi Oops, forgot to set the links
07:35 szabgab facts who/facts that     IMHO
07:35 Sewi thx
07:36 szabgab syslogd who /  that
07:37 ecocode Sewi: if you're talking about this IRC in your blog, you might want to mention it is #padre on irc.perl.org server ...
07:37 Hyppolit svn: r10807 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10807
07:37 Hyppolit Updated Changes
07:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:38 Sewi ecocode: Good idea, thanks, I'm just adding the links but calling it by name is better.
07:38 szabgab and the link to http://padre.perlide.org/irc.html?channel=padre
07:39 azawawi Sewi: np... :)
07:39 azawawi good morning
07:41 azawawi Sewi: s/"Middle East"/"Middle Eastern" in blog entry
07:41 Sewi ok guys, I promise not to write no more English blog entries today :-)
07:42 azawawi Sewi: lol
07:43 Sewi Thank you for all comments, the post is updated now.
07:46 Hyppolit svn: r10808 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10808
07:46 Hyppolit Added blog item
07:46 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
07:46 marcela Sewi: but German is hard to read ;-) btw Nice blogposts
07:47 Sewi marcela: thanks.
07:50 waxhead hey Sewi
07:50 * waxhead is cooking dinner.. in and out
07:51 Hyppolit svn: r10809 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10809
07:51 Hyppolit Updated 'User set' to 'User' in advanced preferences status column
07:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:51 waxhead azawawi, ping
07:51 azawawi waxhead:pong? :)
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07:53 azawawi waxhead: what's up?
07:53 waxhead azawawi, I used the GOTO Line dialog last night and it was on a really large file ( Main.pm I think ) and the packing of the dialog lost some of the bigger numbers
07:53 waxhead azawawi, sorry.. trying to find the screen shot, but it' s no good
07:53 Alias__ azawawi: It would be fairly neat if that "User" toggled between "User" and "Host" depending on which backend the setting was stored in
07:53 Alias__ I meant to do it, but didn't get time
07:54 waxhead gotta go.. dinner is boiling over!
07:54 Alias__ azawawi: Oh, and we should PROBABLY filter out any settings where store == project
07:54 Alias__ Since those project settings don't really make sense in that context
07:54 azawawi Alias__: i meant for it to be "non-default" but that's another idea. The true/false setting right now is broken since i didnt implement a collapsable sizer (boolean value, true/false) or string value
07:55 Alias__ yeah, I know it's meant to be non-default
07:55 Alias__ But even so, if it's been custom set it would be nice to hint which are sticky and which aren't
07:55 Alias__ I think it's a more subtle alternative to having an entire custom "STORE" column
07:55 Alias__ (For the moment anyway)
07:56 Sewi azawawi: Maybe show a "please wait" information to the user? Jumping in main.pm could take 10 seconds (guessed, not measured)
07:56 Alias__ Especially since we've got config sync coming along soon
07:56 azawawi waxhead: linux or win32?
07:56 waxhead azawawi, linux
07:56 Alias__ Sewi: We definitely need an interstitial status message doohicky at some point
07:56 azawawi 10 seconds for goto line?
07:57 Alias__ A was thinking a borderless modal dialog centred on the parent
07:57 waxhead looks like the changing of languages also doesn't reset things right in the refresh...
07:57 Alias__ With oversized font and the text in the middle
07:57 waxhead guess there needs to be a 'whole of Padre' refresh to do that?
07:57 * azawawi takes notes
07:57 Alias__ Doing a relocale is meant to trigger a complete cascading refresh
07:58 waxhead well the dialog for goto to line is still in italian for me here
07:58 Alias__ Or rather, it should trigger a child's relocale method if it has one
07:58 waxhead and the tab didn't change language either when I set it back to en
07:58 Sewi Alias__: That would be great, but it should be pre-loaded (cost as few time as possible for showing) and shouldn't appear for things that take less than one or two seconds.
07:58 Alias__ hrm
07:58 Alias__ As far as dialogs go, if the dialog is cached on $main somewhere, the main->relocale is meant to destroy those cached dialogs
07:59 Alias__ ->relocale already destroys the cached Find dialog etc
07:59 Alias__ For example
07:59 Hyppolit #853: z-axis problem: dialog freeze (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/853 ]
08:00 Alias__ I get the ugly feeling we're going to spend a lot of this year working on making Padre a bit more fluid and event-driven
08:00 Alias__ :)
08:00 Alias__ The polishing.... sigh
08:00 Sewi This is the price you pay for being one of the cool GUI kids :-)
08:00 Alias__ yeah
08:01 Alias__ The application is getting smart enough that the lag spiked are starting to get embarrasing
08:01 Alias__ It wasn't so bad when you intuition and actual features sucked more
08:01 szabgab see some discussion about Padre here: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/pipermail/ep​o-marketing/2010-February/thread.html
08:01 Alias__ Because it felt uniformely alpha :)
08:01 Alias__ uniformly
08:01 szabgab and here: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/pipermail/epo-me​mbers-announce/2010-February/thread.html
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08:03 Alias__ I concur with mst
08:03 Alias__ I want to see Padre go post-1.0 before we really promote ourselfs as some kind of standard
08:03 Alias__ We're not there yet
08:04 Alias__ I'm not sure what "being an EPO" project actually meant
08:04 szabgab no standard
08:04 Alias__ EPO has no relevance in my life or anyone I know's life
08:04 szabgab neither am I
08:04 szabgab I just wanted them to make beer-mats for us :-)
08:06 waxhead oh, while everyone is here... 0.57 release tomorrow night?  make it a blead release???? lots of warnings?
08:06 waxhead dinner &
08:06 Alias__ Lots of warnings yes
08:06 Alias__ But there's enough new features it's not worth delaying
08:06 Alias__ Particularly the configuration editor
08:07 Alias__ Which lets us engage people with all kinds of new experimental features they can turn on or off
08:07 Alias__ Like the feature_ settings
08:07 Alias__ A whole new series of "Just set the foo_blah to true in the advanced preferences"
08:07 Alias__ ... blog posts etc
08:08 Alias__ I've got a whole series of posts I could make pretty fast :)
08:08 Alias__ Like the joy of turning off line position memory for speed :)
08:08 Alias__ I shall call it "anti-bloat"
08:17 azawawi waxhead: could you upload the screenshot somewhere so i can download quickly? :)
08:25 Alias__ If this is a bleady release, I think I shall take the opportunity to do the menu reorganisation
08:25 Alias__ I'm renaming Plugins to Tools, and moving Preferences into it
08:26 Alias__ To be a bit closer to Mozilla's style
08:26 Sewi Alias__: I don't think that this is a good idea.
08:26 Alias__ Although I don't like the idea of having Options at the bottom, I'd prefer to keep the bottom just for plugins
08:26 Alias__ Sewi: Why not?
08:26 Sewi Plugins are not tools, they're plugins and the preferences dialog is no tool or plugin at all
08:27 Sewi I wouldn't expect it there.
08:27 Alias__ Where do you expect it?
08:27 Alias__ Edit is a terrible place for it
08:27 Sewi At edit, file or extra
08:27 Sewi (in this order)
08:27 azawawi in eclipse, preferences are in the window menu...
08:28 Alias__ Which I still think it terrible
08:28 Alias__ The Window menu is akind of a cesspit
08:28 azawawi in notepad++, a separate menu is called "setting"
08:28 Alias__ Outlook has it in Tools
08:28 Alias__ Mozilla has it in Tools
08:28 Sewi We should enable plugins to add top-menu items easily but be careful when using this.
08:28 Alias__ Internet Explorer has it in Tools
08:29 azawawi utorrent being minimal in everything has "Options" menu
08:29 Sewi Seems the German "Extras" is Tools, then it's ok.
08:29 Alias__ azawawi: If we're treating Padre has a thing for normal people, you'd want the layout to approximate applications with lots of coverage
08:29 Alias__ Sewi: You are welcome to translate Tools to Extras if that matches standard naming patterns
08:30 Sewi Alias__: I think you converted me, go ahead
08:30 Alias__ Rgr
08:30 Alias__ Thanks :)
08:30 azawawi im just giving out examples :)
08:30 Alias__ Any other reasoned disagreement?
08:30 azawawi extras are cool
08:31 Alias__ Then since concensus is defined as a lack of reasoned disagreement, I declare concensus and go home to implement
08:31 Alias__ It will probably still be called "Plugins" in the code for a while though
08:31 Sewi Alias__: I was thinking of the plugin manager and the developer plugin and they don't feel like "tools"
08:31 Alias__ Till I'm sure we've got the right naming patterns
08:31 Alias__ Sewi: Look at the third entry in the Mozilla Tools menu
08:32 * Alias__ checks Chrome
08:32 Alias__ Does Eclipse put plugin stuff into Tools?
08:32 Sewi Alias__: Impossible  - as it requires and installed firefox :-)
08:32 azawawi chrome has tools/options
08:32 Alias__ chrome doesn't have a named menu at all :)
08:32 azawawi wrench menu :)
08:32 Sewi Opera has Extras -> Einstellungen which should be Tools -> Options.
08:33 Alias__ Sewi: Anyways, the Tools menu should make more sense to you later, once some of the upcoming additions go in
08:33 azawawi Safari => "star" menu and then preferences
08:33 Sewi gnome-term has edit -> options :-)
08:33 Alias__ Sewi: The "Edit -> Filter through external tool" should really become a dialog-managable list of named tools
08:33 Alias__ So you don't have to retype every time
08:34 Sewi yes
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08:34 Alias__ So that would belong in there too
08:34 Alias__ Plus Configuration Sync stuff
08:34 Alias__ Plus Telemetry (when it stops being a plugin)
08:35 azawawi ah: safari shows a menubar only when you hit alt, it is in "Edit/Preferences"
08:35 Sewi editpad had it below edit, too, I think
08:35 Alias__ Edit->Preferences seems to be the older style
08:35 Sewi yes
08:35 Alias__ It's like that in a few applications I have that haven't really had much done to them in years
08:36 Alias__ And there's a View -> Preferences in RapidSVN
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08:36 Alias__ Case in point, VLC media player (which is a pretty modern application) has Tools -> Preferences
08:37 azawawi Alias__: some genius at Eclipse thought it is a good idea to put "plugin manager and restore previous installation" in the about dialog in a button called
08:37 azawawi Alias: 'installation details'
08:37 Sewi lol
08:37 Alias__ ick
08:38 Alias__ It's that kind of thing that screams corporate bloat and cruft
08:38 Alias__ Curious
08:38 azawawi Alias__: the cool thing about this restore previous installation is that it shows you what you installed/removed and you can revert back to an earlier plugin configuration...
08:38 Alias__ Curious
08:38 azawawi Alias__: pretty handy when you triy EPIC :)
08:38 Alias__ We could probably handle that
08:38 azawawi Alias__: s/triy/try
08:38 Alias__ Revision the Plugins table
08:38 Alias__ :)
08:40 azawawi btw, EPIC is buggy with Eclipse gallileo ....
08:40 szabgab azawawi, any chance you update the Perl 6 plugin
08:40 szabgab we are quite behind I think relative to the state of the art in Perl 6
08:40 azawawi szabgab: im actually stuck with a Storable bug with the new strawberry
08:40 Alias__ oh rly?
08:40 Alias__ What's happening?
08:40 Sno|Laptop VLC isn't only modern, it's buggy and crap :P
08:41 * Alias__ is one of the few people that have hacked on Storable
08:41 azawawi Alias__: let me get the error
08:41 Sno|Laptop Tools -> Preferences is Windows Style
08:41 Sno|Laptop Unix mostly uses Edit -> Preferences (when available)
08:41 Alias__ Sno|Laptop: If it becomes contentious, we could always do OS-specific menu
08:42 Alias__ Wouldn't be that hard, it would even optimise away at compile time
08:42 Alias__ Lets switch to Windows Tool -> style and see if anyone complains :)
08:42 Sno|Laptop The question is (in the meanwhile): should Padre look like Windows-Tool or like Unix-Tool
08:42 * azawawi installs Moose :)
08:43 Alias__ Sno|Laptop: We target newbies...
08:43 Sno|Laptop read: MacOS X?
08:43 Alias__ I'm tempted to say that Unix people are more able to take care of themselves
08:43 Alias__ Mac is currently HARD to install Padre on
08:43 Sno|Laptop Newbies are on every system
08:43 Alias__ Some systems are more newbie than others :)
08:44 Alias__ But you are right
08:44 Sno|Laptop There're more newbies (in Perl development) on Linux than on Windows (I assume)
08:44 Alias__ Hard to say
08:44 Sno|Laptop Linux is the first chooses OS when want a cheap OS which has Windows look-alike (KDE)
08:44 Alias__ But how many of those newbies on Unix can get Padre up and running
08:45 Alias__ Most people don't choose their OS
08:45 Alias__ And 30% of people don't care
08:45 Sno|Laptop right - the use it from next CD from a magazin
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08:45 azawawi Alias__: btw, on win32 let us try to detect consolas
08:45 Alias__ Or they use whatever their computer came with
08:45 Alias__ azawawi: That could be fun...
08:45 Sno|Laptop By the way - this discussion doesn't move you forward :)
08:46 azawawi Alias__: it is a way better font than courier on win32
08:46 Alias__ Sno|Laptop: What makes you think I'm not ignoring you and moving on at the same time
08:46 Alias__ (I'm not, of course)
08:46 Sno|Laptop hehe - but would be ok
08:46 Sewi Sno|Laptop: I don't know one person using Linux as their first OS, all the Linux users used Win in the past :-)
08:46 Alias__ I just love arguing with people I don't normally argue with, it sometimes yields new insights
08:46 Sno|Laptop I just want to say: keep in mind, Windows isn't premium perl developer platform using OSS
08:46 Alias__ Sewi: I know a handful, but they are greybeards
08:47 * Sno|Laptop never tried Padre on Windows
08:47 Alias__ TBH, what I'm tempted to do is to include platform in the refugee code
08:47 Sno|Laptop I will try to build Padre using pkgsrc on MacOS at afternoon
08:47 Sewi Sno|Laptop: I think Linux will become more popular to first-time end users because Dell and other sell it pre-installed now.
08:48 Alias__ If your personal preferences were uploaded to the server from a Unix machine, when we detect you using a Windows machine later, we can ask "Would you like to use Unix-style layout and keybindings?"
08:48 Alias__ Sno| That would be awesome
08:49 Sno|Laptop accentuation is on "try" :)
08:49 Alias__ Diagnosis of current bottlenecks are almost as useful as working builds :)
08:49 * Alias__ home
08:49 Sno|Laptop I never build an X-Application on my own on Mac
08:50 Hyppolit svn: r10810 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10810
08:50 Hyppolit Adding a quick link for people looking for the plugins in the preferences
08:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:53 azawawi __Alias: Out of memory! Callback called exit at blib\lib\Storable.pm (autosplit into blib\lib\auto\Storable\thaw.al) line 415.
08:54 Alias__ oh wow
08:54 Alias__ On storabling? Or unstorabling?
08:54 azawawi __Alias: perl  5.10.1 (strawberry plus padre 0.56)
08:54 waxhead xchat has preferences in Edit
08:54 waxhead so does most of the windows applications
08:54 azawawi damn i dont know where i typed the underscores :)
08:55 Alias__ waxhead: "Most of" ?
08:55 Alias__ I'm not seeing "Most of" here...
08:55 Alias__ Every microsoft program big enough to justify a Tools menu has it there
08:55 * Alias__ checks his Adobe programs
08:56 Alias__ They USED to be in Edit
08:56 Alias__ But that seems to have changed at some point
08:56 Alias__ Flash Essentials is in Edit
08:57 azawawi Alias__: i'll debug it and send you a detailed log... (Perl6)
08:57 Alias__ And it puts the other tools in Window
08:57 Alias__ azawawi: Thanks
08:57 waxhead Hmm.. maybe you're right...
08:57 waxhead I'm trying to think where I make changes to options/preferences in Outlook and I don't think it's edit any more
08:57 * azawawi work &
08:57 waxhead not sure what the top level menu is called
08:58 Alias__ waxhead: It's Tools
08:58 waxhead in outlook?
08:58 Alias__ yup
08:58 waxhead ok then..
08:58 Alias__ I can't find a single Microsoft-produced program that doesn't have it in Tools
08:59 Alias__ Ultraedit has it in Tools, but they call it "Advanced"
08:59 waxhead I guess it makes sence, the term Edit is really a verb, and you do edit your preferences...
08:59 Alias__ You "edit" all kinds of stuff
09:00 Alias__ We could put the refactoring in edit
09:00 waxhead anyway, I'm not really hung up on it... given the nubmer of places various applications store their preferences it's hard to say there's a given standard
09:00 Alias__ Edit currently focused window :)
09:00 waxhead I agree with the refactoring...
09:00 Alias__ I'm changing those later too
09:00 Alias__ The dynamic top level menu is a bit of a failure
09:00 waxhead I think it got it's own menu because there were going to be whole lot more refactoring tools
09:01 Alias__ I'm stealing the structure of IDEA IntelliJ
09:02 Sewi Add it to file and plugin/tools and leave it in edit :-)
09:02 Alias__ You keep the Analyze and Refactor there permanently, but you completely change the contents of those windows
09:02 Alias__ We really need to do an April 1st release
09:02 Alias__ Or start adding some crazyness that only triggers on Aprile 1
09:03 Alias__ I still REALLY want to do "Birthday Mode"
09:03 Alias__ Hopefully based on Team Fortress 2 Birthday Mode
09:03 Sewi Like self-shuffeling menu items? :-)
09:04 Alias__ Sewi: Randomly reorganising the menus could be fun
09:05 Alias__ Sewi: It's a pity we can't randonly mix languages as well
09:05 Alias__ ooo!
09:05 Sewi Why not?
09:05 Alias__ We could start up in a random language every time
09:05 Alias__ And then put in a timer than changed to a different random language every 5 minutes
09:05 Alias__ Or every 1 minute :)
09:05 Sewi We could just create random.po which is being rebuild by random language keys of all languages every day or so
09:06 Sewi by=from
09:06 Alias__ Well, the tricky bit of this is to do it without adding any maintenance weight to Padre
09:06 Alias__ You want to have this code embedded in Padre permanently
09:06 Alias__ So that even if you are a year behind in releases, on Debian stable, you still get April Fools mode
09:07 Alias__ We can't just release an April 1 edition and expect anyone to have it
09:07 Alias__ We need at least, say, 5 releases lead time
09:07 Alias__ 2-3 monthes
09:08 Alias__ Anyways, /me home
09:09 Sewi Alias__: I though of builing it nightly on padre.perlide.org and including it like all other languages
09:10 * waxhead is still chuckling
09:10 waxhead Sewi, where I work we can't have irc.. actually we can't have much outside of the network... I'm only here afterwork and rarely before work...
09:11 waxhead Sewi, good post though..
09:11 waxhead I like the way the channel rotates to follow the sun.. :)
09:11 waxhead and to be honest we have some darn cool people in here...
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09:25 waxhead alias, you're home already?
09:25 Alias \o
09:25 Alias I live over the road from work
09:25 Alias It's a 2 minute communte
09:25 Alias commute
09:25 waxhead hahahaha...
09:26 waxhead actually that's a bit dangerous...
09:26 waxhead that's too close to work..
09:26 waxhead literally!
09:26 Alias Fortunately, this job isn't the kind that expects anything because of where I live
09:26 Alias <3
09:27 Alias Unlike the rest of the IT industry
09:27 waxhead yeah true
09:28 waxhead there's still some weirdness with the crtl-tabbing
09:34 Hyppolit #850: Padre crashes on warning output (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/850#comment:4 ]
09:36 submersible Alias: how about a lolcat translation for April fools?
09:37 Alias That could work
09:37 Alias It would be a lot of work
09:37 Alias And we'd need to maintain it for ages, over the next several months
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09:45 Sewi waxhead: Also no Mibbit? :-)
09:45 sblandin Hello there... anyone can help with plugin localisation?
09:46 Sewi Sure, just ask
09:47 sblandin I made the Italian localisation for PAdre::Plugin::Alarm
09:47 sblandin I commited it to trunk
09:47 sblandin But I am not able to show it inside Padre
09:47 sblandin The plugin strings shows in English
09:47 waxhead Sewi, I don't know.. Ihave to try it, but the network is tightly controlled even for http
09:48 El_Che waxhead: what about a ssh tunnel through ssh?
09:48 waxhead El_Che, nope...
09:48 El_Che it works great (my workplace is pretty closed)
09:48 Sewi sblandin: Does it have the same name and settings as the Padre translation
09:48 waxhead all out going ports are also blocked
09:49 waxhead http and dns are only let out via proxies
09:49 El_Che https through proxy open?
09:49 Sewi We need to create a email <-> irc wrapper for him :-)
09:49 waxhead El_Che, yeah..
09:49 El_Che run an sshd on port 8080
09:49 waxhead I'm too busy at work anyway..
09:49 El_Che then use corkscrew (unix) or putty to pass through the tunnel
09:49 szabgab garu, ping
09:50 sblandin No... the localisation for Padre is it-it.po
09:50 waxhead El_Che, that's fine as long as the name connecting to is an allowed "site"..
09:50 szabgab I just notice that we have not heard anything lately from our friends in Brazil or SA in general
09:50 waxhead so no dyndns type of domains
09:50 waxhead garu and co?
09:50 sblandin The one for plugin is Padre__Plugin__Alarm-it-it.po
09:51 sblandin like the other localisation for that plugin
09:51 Sewi sblandin: Did you check the settings?
09:51 sblandin Which settings?
09:53 Sewi In poedit it's catalog -> options
09:54 sblandin OK I opened the settings
09:54 sblandin for the catalog
09:55 Sewi compare them to the settings of the Padre file
09:56 sblandin The only relevant difference is source code text encoding
09:57 sblandin And related source code position
09:57 sblandin Sorry source code path
09:57 Sewi Anybody knows something about translations?
09:59 sblandin By the way the same problem happens also for example with french translation
09:59 Sewi Sorry, I got no further ideas :-(
10:00 El_Che waxhead: you can not connect to a random http website?
10:00 Sewi Just found a German video. Translated title: "Secret of the blue butterfly" :-)
10:02 waxhead El_Che, depends on the site... but mostly no... I think they use a list of words to look for, like blog
10:03 sblandin Maybe I should post a bug report for the plugin translation not showing
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10:04 Sewi sblandin: It doesn't look like someone could help atm, so please open a ticket on it
10:04 waxhead Sewi, Jerome might have a clue or two on it
10:04 sblandin OK
10:04 waxhead I couldn't help much last night either.. :(
10:06 Hyppolit svn: r10811 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10811
10:06 Hyppolit Some minor optimisation
10:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:13 Hyppolit #854: Plugin localisation not showing up (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/854 ]
10:13 sblandin Ticket opened
10:15 sblandin Bye
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10:19 Sewi ping jq: Could you help on #854?
10:19 Hyppolit #854: Plugin localisation not showing up (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/854 ]
10:31 Alias Why is there a "Plugin Manager..." button in the Preferences
10:32 Alias It seems completely out of place
10:32 waxhead wow.. is the padre web  slow or is it my end?
10:35 Sewi Alias: I added it for people who are looking to enable/disable plugins in the preferences.
10:36 Alias Sewi: The two menu entries are only 1cm apart now :)
10:37 Alias So we can probably ditch it :)
10:37 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855 ]
10:38 Sewi If you want :-)
10:38 Sewi Just added it today
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10:48 Hyppolit svn: r10812 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10812
10:48 Hyppolit Rename Plugins to Tools and move Preferences into it
10:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
10:48 Hyppolit svn: r10813 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10813
10:48 Hyppolit add blog entry of Richard Wallman
10:48 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
10:50 jq Sewi: i'll have a look
10:51 Sewi jq: thanks
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10:55 jq hmm, in fact it seems that no plugin locale is activated
10:55 jq has someone change the name of the strings file?
11:02 Sewi jq: Yes. a long time ago, must be at least 3 or 4 month
11:04 Alias Man, what's up with half the new interfaces dinging all the time
11:05 Alias I swear azawari is putting in ascii beeps everywhere
11:09 Alias ok, weird
11:10 Alias I've got $DB::single hooks on every single method, and it still dings
11:10 Alias And it dings BEFORE it hits any debug hooks
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11:20 Hyppolit #856: Vista: The Advanced Preferences dialog dings annoyingly (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/856 ]
11:22 Hyppolit #857: Vista: The Ack window dings annoyingly (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/857 ]
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11:38 Hyppolit svn: r10814 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10814
11:38 Hyppolit Removed the link to the Plugin Manager, it's no longer needed
11:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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12:03 Hyppolit #850: Padre crashes on warning output (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/850#comment:6 ]
12:04 kthakore waxhead_: ^^
12:05 waxhead_ kthakore, ok.. I htink it's two different issues though...
12:05 kthakore yup
12:05 waxhead_ the error list is a problem when you have a script that you run in Padre and it fails?
12:05 kthakore and it CRASHES!
12:05 kthakore BOOM!
12:05 kthakore heheh
12:05 kthakore yeah
12:05 waxhead_ so #850 is sorted out
12:05 Hyppolit #850: Padre crashes on warning output (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/850#comment:6 ]
12:05 kthakore nop
12:06 kthakore Padre crashes on warning output it still crashes
12:06 waxhead_ kthakore, #855 covers this ?
12:06 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855 ]
12:06 kthakore my original bug report still exists as the bug still exists
12:06 kthakore waxhead_: I was first but let me see
12:07 waxhead_ kthakore, OK, the problem is that the "IsChecked" error isn't related to the errorlist error
12:07 kthakore yes
12:07 kthakore it seems like that now
12:07 waxhead_ IsChecked being nealy all the output in your ticket has been fixed..
12:08 kthakore waxhead_: right but it is still crashing
12:08 kthakore I just saw that output and posted it
12:08 waxhead_ the errorlist bug is still a problem, which I listed as ticket #855
12:08 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855 ]
12:08 kthakore 850 < 855
12:08 waxhead_ kthakore, that's fine..
12:08 kthakore you should close that one
12:08 kthakore :p
12:08 kthakore or mines
12:08 kthakore which ever as a duplicate
12:08 waxhead_ I htink we should close #850 and leave #855 open
12:08 Hyppolit #850: Padre crashes on warning output (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/850#comment:6 ]
12:08 kthakore 850 also has how to reproduce the bug
12:08 kthakore 855 doesn't
12:09 waxhead_ well #855 is more clear in the error...
12:09 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855 ]
12:09 ecocode #851
12:09 Hyppolit #851: can't go to parent directory in directory view (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/851 ]
12:09 waxhead_ you can update 855 with your example ?
12:09 ecocode wow! cool bot :)
12:09 kthakore waxhead_: poopy cakes go ahead do waht you want :)
12:09 kthakore see ya
12:09 kthakore waxhead_: ya I will do that or you can do it
12:09 kthakore ;)
12:09 kthakore gtg to work
12:09 waxhead_ kthakore, ok.. I'll do it then go to bed..
12:13 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855#comment:1 ]
12:14 Hyppolit #850: Padre crashes on warning output (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/850#comment:7 ]
12:15 Hyppolit #855: Error in running script in Padre causes crash... (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/855#comment:2 ]
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12:46 azawawi waxhead: ping
13:09 Hyppolit svn: r10815 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10815
13:09 Hyppolit Simplified code a bit and fixed Goto dialog's size bug by specifying a minimum size and giving the user the ability to resize (waxhead++)
13:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:10 azawawi can anyone test it (Goto) on linux please?
13:12 Hyppolit svn: r10816 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10816
13:12 Hyppolit Perl tidy (3 files)
13:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:13 * azawawi &
13:19 Hyppolit #857: Vista: The Ack window dings annoyingly (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/857#comment:1 ]
13:34 Hyppolit #856: Vista: The Advanced Preferences dialog dings annoyingly (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/856#comment:1 ]
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14:03 mje hi everyone. I'm trying out padre for the first time in my lunch hour and using perl-5.11.4-xl-0.03
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14:03 mje I tried listing plugins to get the emacs plugin and just get "egrep: write error: Bad file descriptor"
14:10 * ecocode did not know there's an emacs plugin for Padre
14:12 mje I'd heard there was but an emacs plugin for key mapping but as I cannot list any plugin without error I have not got very far
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15:03 Sewi mje: Which error do you get?
15:10 mje Sewi, I see "egrep: write error: Bad file descriptor" in the terminal I ran padre.sh from. I've not found the plugins are listed in my browser - it was on a different desktop.
15:11 szabgab mje, so you say Padre runs but you have issues listing the plugins?
15:13 szabgab Sewi, as I can see mje is using the experimental stand alone padre for linux on perl 5.11.4
15:13 Sewi szabgab: Would you take over support for mje as you're much more into the standalone version than I?
15:14 mje When I click on "plug-in list (CPAN)" the plugins are shown in my browser window but I see the error above in the terminal.
15:15 mje It does not seem to stop things working - I just thought that because the browser was on another desktop so it looked like nothing had happened
15:29 szabgab mje, oh so you are trying to use the cpan client in Padre
15:29 szabgab I think that has been broken for some time
15:30 mje ok
15:30 szabgab and more specifically that distribution does not have a really useable cpan client
15:30 szabgab you can try to install the plugin manually
15:31 szabgab and actually I don't think the emacs plugin was ever released
15:31 szabgab or that it was ever really working
15:32 szabgab but it is in our svn repository
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18:00 mje szabgab, ok, the emacs plugin was not a deal breaker I only thought it would save me having to learn a whole new set of keys
18:01 Sewi mje: Seems noone really worked on it, but you're welcome to do this :-)
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18:28 szabgab mje, and just to make sure you know, the package you are using it is not a released version of perl and is very experimental package
18:29 szabgab it is mostly there now so people can start using Padre without a long installation process
18:32 mje thanks, noted, I picked it because I did not want to interfere with the perl on the machine I wanted to try padre on
18:32 szabgab what distribution and version btw ?
18:33 mje distribution and version of what?
18:36 mje is this what you wanted - Linux ubuntu 9.10 with ubuntu supplied Perl (5.10.0) and a Perl 5.10.0 separately and manually compiled + others for smoking
18:38 mje I really liked the idea of a standalone padre and perl - I would have had to build another perl myself otherwise as I would not have installed 80+ modules for padre (not because of the effort, because of the disturbance it might have caused)
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22:05 LeK hi
22:05 Sewi Hi Lek
22:36 Sewi gn8 all
22:46 LeK bye...
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23:57 kthakore hi
23:57 kthakore is the nightly down"
23:57 kthakore ?

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