Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-02-22

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00:46 Alias__ Sewi: May the what be with what now?
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01:47 Alias__ grrr
01:47 Alias__ Buttock-clenching annoyance
01:47 Alias__ 263263         # NOTE: Do NOT do an initial fill during the constructor  264264         # We'll do one later anyway, and the list is premature at this point. <>265 -        # $self->refresh_recent;   265+        # TODO fix this   266+        $self->refresh_recent;
01:47 Alias__ er
01:47 Alias__ 263263         # NOTE: Do NOT do an initial fill during the constructor
01:47 Alias__ 264264         # We'll do one later anyway, and the list is premature at this point.
01:47 Alias__ <>265 -        # $self->refresh_recent;
01:47 Alias__ 265+        # TODO fix this
01:48 Alias__ 266+        $self->refresh_recent;
01:48 Alias__ !!!!
01:48 Alias__ How many more words do I need to put in uppercase!
01:48 * CSJewell groans.
01:58 szbalint AS MANY AS IT TAKES
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02:34 kthakore wth!
02:34 kthakore Alias__: HOW HAZ YOUR BASEZ?
02:35 * Alias__ pulls out the stuff for adding accountz
02:41 kthakore Alias__: no worries
02:51 kthakore Alias__: guess what
02:52 kthakore Alias__: we have 80% mac support now
02:52 kthakore yay!
02:59 Alias__ "80%" ?
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04:36 Alias kthakore, I can't access the management console, I've put ina ticket
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06:36 szabgab gm
06:37 ppant_ Good Morning  <szabgab>
06:37 szabgab ppant_, yeah, my memory is leaking :-)
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06:40 Sewi gm
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07:08 Sewi What about adding some mirrors for Padre's downloads?
07:09 szabgab I was thinking moving the files to be downloaded off to the Google server
07:09 szabgab just as it is done with Strawberry Perl
07:11 szabgab then we also have a counter
07:11 Sewi There are so many people mirroring out there, why not just set up an rsync or ftp access (maybe password-protected)?
07:12 Sewi European and Australian mirrors would make sense, I think.
07:13 szabgab I would not worry about it, and having the number of downloads would be nice
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07:14 azawawi good morning
07:15 Sewi Hi azawawi
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07:36 Hyppolit svn: r10891 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10891
07:36 Hyppolit Toggle visibility of true/false fields depending on preference type. They are now prettier to look at than before.
07:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:36 Alias__ azawawi: Ping?
07:37 Alias__ azawawi: That thing I mentioned with the "User" vs "Default" etc
07:37 Alias__ azawawi: You got what I was suggesting backwards
07:37 azawawi Alias: i asked you a couple of times before and i didnt get any answer :)
07:37 Alias__ azawawi: I was thinking that the column says where precisely the decision to use that value came from
07:38 azawawi Alias__: give me an example please
07:38 Alias__ azawawi: Either the option comes from a user preference (HUMAN backend), or the value comes from a host preference (HOST backend) or it comes from defaulting logic
07:38 Hyppolit svn: r10892 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10892
07:38 Hyppolit Perl tidy (4 files)
07:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:39 Alias__ If the user hasn't expressed a personal preference, and there's no host-specific requirement, then it doesn't really matter where it will be saved to, because the CURRENT value has come from defaulting logic
07:39 Alias__ The interface hints at whether or not those customised settings will end up transported to other hosts
07:40 Alias__ Which it doesn't do with the current way around
07:40 * azawawi reads
07:41 azawawi Alias: so when "overriden" we should display the preference store (i.e. human or host atm)?
07:42 Alias__ right
07:42 azawawi easy :)
07:42 Alias__ The backend doesn't matter if it's default, because the value doesn't come from the backend
07:42 Alias__ It comes from the settings definition itself
07:42 azawawi so "Default" and when overriden "Human/Host"...
07:42 Alias__ Yup
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07:42 Alias__ or User/Host
07:43 Alias__ BTw, you made me cry today
07:43 Alias__ I saw the commit where you put a ->refresh into the constructor of every menu
07:43 azawawi i know :)
07:43 Alias__ Yours wasn't as bad as kthakore's
07:43 Alias__ Who put the refresh specifically below a comment saying NOT to put a refresh there
07:45 azawawi Alias: i also remember telling you before about the "nothing" mode bug... i really hated it :)
07:45 azawawi Alias: btw, what about our deal with advanced preferences? :)
07:45 Alias__ Remind me? :)
07:46 Alias__ I know I promised you something....
07:49 szabgab Alias__, hey
07:49 szabgab will we promote Strawberry Perl then ?
07:50 Alias__ hrm?
07:50 szabgab oh you have not seen my email?
07:50 szabgab I have changed the http://cpanforum.com/ a bit
07:50 Alias__ ah
07:50 szabgab and it now has a place on the right side for nice banner ads
07:51 szabgab I'd like to start promoting Strawberry Perl
07:51 szabgab and also padre
07:56 Hyppolit svn: r10893 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10893
07:56 Hyppolit The status column display now when overriden the store name i.e. 'User' or 'Host' and default is 'Default' (Alias++)
07:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:57 azawawi Alias: #847
07:57 Hyppolit #847: Implement Mozilla-style about:config for Padre (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/847#comment:3 ]
07:58 azawawi Alias: "Azawari says he'll implement this if I file a ticket, and then I'll implement some more controls for the PPI syntax highlighter :)"
07:58 azawawi Alias: notice the Azawari :)
08:00 Hyppolit svn: r10894 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10894
08:00 Hyppolit more CSS explanations
08:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/lib/Padre/Plugin/CSS/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/share/
08:02 azawawi szabgab: what's cool is to add mozilla/webkit -specific css and css3
08:03 azawawi szabgab: even eclipse is way behind in that.
08:03 azawawi szabgab: mozilla-specific https://developer.mozilla.org/en/​CSS_Reference/Mozilla_Extensions
08:03 azawawi szabgab: webkit-specific http://qooxdoo.org/documentat​ion/general/webkit_css_styles
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08:23 waxhead evening all
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08:33 * azawawi &
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08:43 azawawi szabgab: http://marcus.nordaaker.com/2010/02​/cpanminus-the-new-cpan-superstar/
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09:54 sblandin Hello there...
09:55 sblandin I am starting to get confused about translations
09:55 sblandin I use Poedit to edit translations and it provides two way to update catalog
09:56 sblandin from source
09:56 sblandin or from an existing pot file
09:56 sblandin But the two options are conflictual
09:57 sblandin When I update from source I get that some strings are obsolete (for example the language names)
09:57 sblandin If I update from pot file I get a reverse situation:
09:58 sblandin What is obsolete from source is still actual in pot file
09:58 sblandin Which method should have priority?
09:59 sblandin Sorry what is obsolete in sources is valid in .pot file
10:08 szabgab sblandin, I won't know it, I hope some of the other translators can help
10:13 sblandin thanks anyway
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10:54 sblandin I have a general question
10:55 sblandin What is the relation of a plugin source in trunk and its version on CPAN?
10:56 sblandin If I make minor changes to a plugin source I break it for everyone?
11:00 CSJewell sblandin: Only if it gets out to a CPAN release.
11:02 sblandin So there is no automatic tranfer from repository to CPAN
11:03 CSJewell Nope.
11:04 CSJewell No automatic transfer.
11:04 sblandin Thanks
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11:31 sblandin Bye
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11:31 azawawi cya
11:32 daxim szabgab, are you asking for this?  http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/
11:32 szabgab daxim, I know this though I am not sure which one is the source
11:32 daxim define source
11:33 szabgab I asked on one of the w3 mailing lists and they said the original one is written in HTML
11:33 daxim indeed
11:33 szabgab "source" the one people write with their editor
11:33 daxim the link I gave is the normative version
11:46 szabgab thank
11:46 szabgab s
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13:01 Sewi ping (anybody using Padre on win)
13:02 kthakore Sewi: I will in 1.5 hrs
13:03 kthakore waiting for my rid to go to work
13:03 kthakore where I use padre
13:03 kthakore yay!!!!!!!!
13:03 Sewi I just svn up'ed and got some problems:
13:03 kthakore can you make a tarball of it on nightly?
13:03 kthakore I can't use SVN at work
13:03 Sewi 1. The line numbers show three numbers only. Like 5153 is shown as 153.
13:03 Sewi kthakore: I think we do?
13:04 Sewi 2. The scroll wheel doesn't work.
13:04 Sewi Are these issues dedicated to my win or do you know them, too?
13:04 kthakore Sewi: it doesn't update often ever 6 hrs
13:04 kthakore Sewi: also I get a 403 on that page now
13:04 kthakore Sewi: I will check
13:04 kthakore pullin
13:04 Sewi kthakore: "nightly" would mean "once per night (day)" to me.
13:04 kthakore yup
13:05 kthakore but the new SVN is not on there
13:05 kthakore ok just put the SVN tarball someplace I can get it
13:05 Sewi I had the same issues with the latest strawberry install. Well, maybe the pre-latest :-)
13:06 kthakore Sewi: line numbers and scroll wheel work on linux
13:06 kthakore WOW!
13:06 * teejay tries out Padre for PHP
13:06 kthakore speed increse ++
13:06 kthakore whose fault is that?
13:06 Sewi kthakore: I know  - usually I use Linux for dev, but I need to split a file into two of ~2k lines on win.
13:07 Hyppolit svn: r10895 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10895
13:07 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Updated compiled STD.pm to r29781
13:07 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/
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13:08 Sewi Padre crashes badly  each time I try to access (read or write) a file on a smb share.
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13:08 Sewi Hi azawawi, are you on win right now?
13:08 azawawi yeah
13:08 azawawi and drinking turkish coffee at the same time :)
13:08 Sewi azawawi: I just fired up mine and had three problems until now:
13:09 Sewi 1. The line numbers show three numbers only. Like 5153 is shown as 153.
13:09 Sewi 2. The scroll wheel doesn't work.
13:09 Sewi 3. 2. The scroll wheel doesn't work.
13:09 Sewi sorry
13:09 Sewi 3. Padre crashes badly each time I try to access (read or write) a file on a smb share.
13:10 azawawi Sewi: i will try it now
13:10 Sewi thanks
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13:14 azawawi Sewi: for (1). it is showing up correctly using perl dev.pl
13:15 azawawi Sewi: scroll works
13:15 azawawi Sewi: mouse wheel i.e.
13:15 azawawi Sewi: how about renaming your .padre folder?
13:15 Sewi azawawi: Thanks, my win seems to be corrupt than :-)
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14:59 szabgab kthakore, do you mean the "nightly" does not work?
15:02 szabgab it is running */4  - every 6 hours
15:03 kthakore szabgab: yeah I can't access that url anymore
15:04 szabgab oh, I turned off directory browsing
15:07 szabgab kthakore, fixed now
15:09 kthakore thanks
15:09 kthakore nightly?
15:09 Hyppolit nightly is http://perlide.org/download/source/nightly/
15:09 kthakore szabgab: you spoil us too much
15:09 kthakore ;)
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18:09 kthakore hi tsee
18:14 daxim what's a reasonably good way to get the amount of memory the process uses?  I'm thinking of GTop, but perhaps there's something better
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19:37 Miker Hi there, I've downloaded "Strawberry Professional" and I quite like it.
19:38 Miker One thing that bothers me: the interface defaults to Dutch, but actually I'm using an English Win7, although my locale is set to Dutch.
19:38 szabgab you can change it in View/Languages (or its translation :-)
19:39 Miker Great, searched in Edit > Preferences but was not able to find it there :D
19:39 szabgab try ctrl-3
19:39 szabgab and type in English
19:39 Miker Should I file a bug about the language displayed by Padre?
19:40 Miker Thanks for the shortcut. I searched F1, but to no avail.
19:40 szabgab The intention was to use the locale
19:40 szabgab as the default
19:40 szabgab hoping that it is what people want :-)
19:41 Miker hm, it's not what I expected... and I surely was confused when I did not find an option to change the language in Preferences..!
19:42 Miker But, apart from that, good work! I really like the "Professional" bundle.
19:43 szabgab I am happy to hear that. The latter
19:50 szabgab actually moving the language to preferences might make more sense than having them in View
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19:50 szabgab they should not be tinkered with on a daily basis anyway
19:50 Miker So, would you like me to create a request for that?
19:50 szabgab yes
19:51 Miker **or just implement it and create a GIT pull request??? **  :D
19:51 szabgab do you have an account on trac?
19:51 szabgab Miker, that's the second step
19:51 Miker sure.
19:51 szabgab though we normally just give you commit bit on SVN and let you figure it out :-)
19:51 Miker No I don't have a trac account yet.
19:51 Miker ah, svn.
19:52 szabgab trac?
19:52 Hyppolit trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
19:52 szabgab go and register,  I opened it now
19:52 szabgab yeah, we are old timers :-)
19:53 Miker I guess I found my issue already: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/741
19:53 szabgab so just register, comment on that bug and implement it
19:54 Miker Well, thanks a lot for your time!
19:54 Miker I'll see about the implementing, I'm no way near a hardcore Perl coder. I just happen to have to handle lots of Perl on a daily basis :D
19:55 szabgab I'll need to close the registration form so pls let me know when you are done
19:56 szabgab Miker, no need to be hard core to patch Padre
19:56 Miker oh wow, is it that 'secure'? What are you afraid of?
19:56 szabgab we got spamed too much
19:56 Miker Sure, but I never did any Wix or what is that GUI stuff...
19:56 szabgab wxWidgets
19:56 Miker and a Captcha was not a good solution?
19:57 Miker I guess I created an account.
19:57 szabgab I could not configure it
19:57 Miker You can close it now.
19:57 Miker Well, anyway, thanks a lot.
19:57 szabgab thank you
19:57 szabgab anyway, I better go to sleep now
19:58 szabgab night &
19:59 Miker good night...!
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20:57 Sewi Alias__: Did you try Padre with multiple instances since the new DB stuff came in?
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23:40 Alias__ Sewi, it should be ok
23:40 Alias__ But no
23:45 Sewi Alias__: I got database locking error messages and problems, but will investigate this further...
23:52 Alias__ hrm
23:52 Alias__ It's possible the connection logic isn't set to wait

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