Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-02-24

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00:13 svenbuntu El_Che: A workaround is to uninstall all the perl Wx ubuntu packages and then install padre from cpan (just like tlb suggested in the logs).
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01:48 shadowpaste "dorkfish" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Cannot detect source of 'load_plugin.t'! at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/​TAP/Parser/IteratorFactory.pm line 263" (20 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/39740
01:48 dorkfish hey guys, i'm having trouble building Padre::Plugin::REPL still, verbose error is above
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03:27 CSJewell dorkfish: perl Build test --test_files t\load_plugin.t --verbose
03:28 CSJewell i.e. You need a t/ in order to find the test file...
03:28 CSJewell (sorry, I'm on Windows, backslashes come with the territory...)
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03:41 dorkfish CSJewell: that's what my paste was
03:42 CSJewell No, you didn't have t/load_plugin.t, you had load_plugin.t.
03:43 dorkfish okay, just a sec
03:45 shadowpaste "dorkfish" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "[dorkfish@wolverine Padre-Plug" (23 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/39746
03:45 dorkfish there you go
03:48 dorkfish i did manage to get it to install, the tests just fail
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04:01 CSJewell dorkfish: I know that a similar error has been discussed within the last 48 hours on this channel. Check the IRC logs in the /topic, OK?
04:01 dorkfish sure
04:01 CSJewell It may be fixed in the svn versions...
04:01 dorkfish where's the repo? i didn't see it linked on the cpan page
04:01 dorkfish i'll give it a try
04:02 CSJewell repo: http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/* (* being the dist name)
04:02 CSJewell It may not have been this module, however, which is why I said to check the irc logs.
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04:36 dorkfish CSJewell: i looked through the irc logs but didn't see anything about the repl module
04:37 dorkfish i checked it out from svn and am getting the same error still during Build test
04:45 CSJewell It's not about the module, it's about the fact that the tests don't emulate Padre...
04:45 CSJewell It may be that they haven't fixed the bug yet.
04:45 dorkfish ah okay
04:46 dorkfish sorry, i'm not super familiar with perl's unit testing
04:46 dorkfish still a noob :)
04:46 CSJewell Can you file a bug on the module on rt.cpan.org?
04:46 dorkfish sure
04:52 szabgab CSJewell, RT ?
04:52 szabgab isn't that a Padre plugin ?
04:52 szabgab if so, better use our trac
04:53 CSJewell Can he report a bug to the trac without having an account?
04:53 dorkfish the bug is up on rt.cpan.org now
04:53 dorkfish https://rt.cpan.org/Public​/Bug/Display.html?id=54926
04:58 Hyppolit #861: REPL plugin does not pass tests. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/861 ]
04:59 CSJewell I copied it over.
05:01 dorkfish cool deal
05:02 CSJewell (I'm so used to referring people to rt.cpan.org that I forgot Padre has its own... the problem being that it takes an admin to "hit the switch" and let a new person log in.)
05:06 szabgab CSJewell, you just became an admin of our Trac
05:07 szabgab so you can also open/close the registration form now
05:07 CSJewell I'm here often enough...
05:07 Ryan52 my pet plugin is broken? :(
05:08 szabgab hi Ryan52 !
05:08 Ryan52 hi szabgab :)
05:11 CSJewell szabgab: E-mail me directions, please? It's not as if I use trac much.
05:11 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/PadreTracAdmin
05:17 dorkfish Ryan52: just the test
05:18 dorkfish Ryan52: i did come across another little thing just a moment ago
05:18 shadowpaste "dorkfish" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Error when calling menu for pl" (1 line) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/39750
05:18 dorkfish Ryan52: above
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05:31 CSJewell dorkfish: Can you create an account on Padre's trac and report it? http://padre.perlide.org/trac/
05:31 CSJewell [It's open now.]
05:32 CSJewell We seem to attract spam, so I need to close the registration form again when you're done.
05:38 dorkfish sure jsut a sec
05:40 dorkfish CSJewell: created my acct
05:40 CSJewell OK. Closed again.
05:41 CSJewell Ryan52: Considering that Devel::REPL will be in SP Professional Alpha 2, do you want that plugin installed, as well?
05:42 Ryan52 I have no idea what that is.
05:42 Ryan52 oh. yes I do.
05:42 * Ryan52 only got 3 hours of sleep last night..
05:43 Hyppolit #862: Can't locate object method "menu_actions" via package "Padre::Plugin::REPL" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/862 ]
05:43 Ryan52 CSJewell: might as well? Tho I don't use SP so it doesn't really matter to me.. :P
05:44 CSJewell If it tests correctly, I'll put it in. If not, I'll let you know what failed via a ticket.
05:45 Ryan52 I'm guessing it won't, based on that error message I'm guessing it was an API change in Padre...
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06:06 Sewi gm
06:12 CSJewell Ryan52: I won't be doing it for a few weeks, anyway. You'll have time to fix it.
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07:17 Hyppolit svn: r10923 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10923
07:17 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] POD fixes
07:17 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/Syntax/Highlight/
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07:17 azawawi good morning
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07:52 waxhead dorkfish, was it you having problems with Padre on unbuntu?
07:53 Hyppolit svn: r10924 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10924
07:53 Hyppolit There is a bug in wxColour->new("orange"). It actually returns red (#CC3232) on win32
07:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:54 waxhead oh.. you can specify the hex value for the colour?
07:54 Hyppolit svn: r10925 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10925
07:54 Hyppolit Removed debug print statement from previous commit. azawawi--
07:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:55 azawawi Alias_: Ping, ping, Ping() :)
07:56 dorkfish waxhead: nope
07:56 dorkfish don't run ubuntu
07:57 waxhead it was svenbuntu
07:57 waxhead just read back through the logs
07:59 azawawi waxhead: you're on linux?
08:00 azawawi waxhead: hi first ofcourse. how is life treating you? :)
08:00 waxhead azawawi, yep.. ubuntu
08:00 waxhead azawawi,  oh.. hi back... life is fine.. how about you?  As alpha committer I suspect life is pretty much padre focused at the moment?  :)
08:00 * waxhead is about to have dinner...
08:01 azawawi waxhead: quick test please... enter 1+1; to get a warning and please check the colour of the warning marker on the left of the editor on linux
08:01 azawawi waxhead: is it actually orange? (without svn up ofcourse)
08:02 azawawi waxhead: since it was red here on win32
08:02 waxhead oh.. I updated before.. hmmm.. before your commit though...
08:02 azawawi cool test it please
08:02 azawawi 1+1; in a new Perl script
08:02 azawawi and please tell me the marker colour
08:02 waxhead azawawi, in the syntax checker it's a burnt orangey color..
08:02 waxhead not red though
08:03 azawawi and beside the line number in the margin?
08:03 azawawi editor margin
08:03 waxhead it's the same orangey color...
08:03 waxhead is that new???
08:03 azawawi on linux Wx::wxColour("orange") seems to be correct
08:04 azawawi on win32, it is actually reddish
08:04 waxhead cool... been called for dinner...
08:04 waxhead back later
08:04 azawawi waxhead: thx
08:04 waxhead anytime!! :)
08:05 Hyppolit svn: r10926 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10926
08:05 Hyppolit Perl tidy and Changes update
08:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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08:22 Hyppolit svn: r10927 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10927
08:22 Hyppolit Added forgotten debug menu for Perl
08:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:23 * azawawi &
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09:39 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" under AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/846#comment:6 ]
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09:48 LeK hi
09:50 waxhead hey LeK
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10:35 Sewi ping szabgab
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11:04 Sno|Laptop moin all
11:04 Sno|Laptop as promised, I've tried out if Padre runs on MacOS X/Darwin with pkgsrc
11:05 Sno|Laptop first I needed to patch out the wxPerl invocation - pkgsrc perl already comes with thread support
11:05 Sno|Laptop then, Padre splash screen comes up and following error:
11:05 Sno|Laptop Can't locate object method "select" via package "Padre::DB::HostConfig" at /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/vendor_per​l/5.10.0/Padre/Config/Host.pm line 36.
11:05 Sewi Do you want to add this to the howto-page?
11:05 Sewi howto?
11:06 Sno|Laptop first I want to get it running - and need help
11:06 Sno|Laptop when it runs, I will add it to howto
11:07 Sno|Laptop I want to know/understand who adds "select" (must be done by role) to Padre::DB::HostConfig
11:08 Sno|Laptop anyone an idea or know whom to ask?
11:10 Sewi Alias is SQLite-Pro here, it seems that some SQLite error happens
11:10 Sewi Could you checkout trunk and try make test?
11:10 Sno|Laptop ok, Alias_ - I want to ask him some other things, too
11:11 * Alias_ waves
11:11 Alias_ I wouldn't say "pro"
11:11 Alias_ I'm FAR more of a project manager than an expert
11:11 Alias_ Although I wrote the ORM on top of it
11:11 Sno|Laptop sure, but this behaviour was in 0.56, too - do you really assume that -trunk has a fix?
11:11 Sno|Laptop alias, do you have an idea about above described error?
11:12 Alias_ I know if well
11:12 Alias_ it
11:12 Sno|Laptop hmm - is it good or bad :)
11:12 Alias_ It gets added by this
11:12 Alias_ http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/ORLite/lib/ORLite.pm
11:13 Alias_ ... via this
11:13 Alias_ http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/ORLi​te-Migrate/lib/ORLite/Migrate.pm
11:13 Alias_ ... via this
11:13 Alias_ http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/P​LAVEN/Padre-0.57/lib/Padre/DB.pm
11:13 Sno|Laptop do you have an idea how to fix or shall I investigate?
11:13 Alias_ The problem occurs when ORLite::Migrate fails to execute the schema migration patches
11:14 Alias_ Padre's schema changes over time
11:14 Alias_ When it does change, we don't want to destroy your entire database
11:14 Alias_ So each time we change the scheme, we add a script that just makes applies the delta
11:14 Sno|Laptop Padre never runs on the MacOS X laptop of my girl-friend
11:14 Alias_ If you upgrade from 0.56 to 0.57, then there's no schema changes and no patch scripts
11:14 Sewi Alias_: I think it was a first time install
11:14 Alias_ If you move from say 0.40 to 0.57, there might be 3 patches
11:15 Sno|Laptop 0.56 was first time install - and the error occures there, too
11:15 Alias_ If you start for the first time, you are effectively moving from 0.01 to 0.57 and that will mean we run maybe 10-20 patches
11:15 Alias_ If the system calls to run those schema patches fail, then the result is that you have either an empty or a half-finished schema
11:15 Sno|Laptop on NetBSD first install was 0.55 and runs fine ...
11:16 Sno|Laptop ok, half finished schema might be
11:16 Alias_ When ORLite tries to inflate that schema into classes, it only makes a subset of the needed classes
11:16 Sno|Laptop because it took some time to remove all wxPerl calls :)
11:16 Alias_ The error you are seeing probably means that there's no host_config table
11:16 Alias_ That's a pretty big problem, because I added that table in about Padre 0.10
11:16 Alias_ And so THAT means you probably failed to run ALL patches
11:16 Sno|Laptop where resides that database?
11:17 Sewi What about adding a check at Padre start? Or at least catch this error and run a check when something failed?
11:17 Alias_ Sewi: I am absolutely sure I have already added extra code to catch that situation and cause a major and immediate error message
11:17 Alias_ I don't know why it's silently succeeding
11:17 Alias_ or rather
11:17 Alias_ Failing with success, so to speak
11:18 Alias_ Sno: Can you use the Perl debugger ?
11:18 Alias_ You can trace it fairly easily
11:18 Sno|Laptop command line based, yes - but I must went downstairs for it ...
11:18 Alias_ OK, so you want to run this
11:18 Alias_ perl dev.pl -d
11:18 Sno|Laptop so might take awhile to get feedback :)
11:18 Alias_ use ORLite::Migrate;
11:18 Alias_ b ORLite::Migrate::import
11:18 Alias_ c
11:18 Alias_ And then step slowly down until you run the call to IPC::Run3::run3
11:19 Alias_ You SHOULD be hitting thi
11:19 Alias_ Oh wait!
11:19 Alias_ We cloned ORLite::Migrate to a private copy
11:19 Sno|Laptop I remember ...
11:19 Alias_ So replace ORLite:: with Padre::DB::
11:19 Alias_ But otherwise do the same
11:20 Sno|Laptop I can run perl-debugger in auto-trace mode ...
11:20 Sno|Laptop ok
11:20 Sewi Alias_: Maybe dev.pl --fulltrace 2>padre.trace would be enough?
11:21 Alias_ Your immediate problem is probably that we are doing incorrect error handling of the system call
11:21 Sewi It should show the line(s) where the error occours
11:21 Sno|Laptop and when I hit IPC::Run3::run3 - what to look for?
11:21 Alias_ That call probably fails
11:21 Alias_ The question is, why don't we detect that failure
11:21 Alias_ my $exit = system( $perl, "-I$include", $patch, $file );
11:21 Alias_ if ( $exit == -1 ) {
11:21 Alias_ Carp::croak("Migration patch $patch failed, database in unknown state");
11:21 Alias_ } elsif ( $? & 127 ) {
11:21 Alias_ Carp::croak( sprintf( "Child died with signal %d", ( $? & 127 ) ) );
11:21 Alias_ }
11:22 Alias_ That's the code
11:23 Sno|Laptop but this leads me immediately to my other question I want to discuss with e.g. you ...
11:24 Sno|Laptop in a previous customer project we're needing sth. like IPC::Run2/IPC::Run2 ... - but those modules we're bit difficult to use
11:25 Sno|Laptop we created there some modules which used pipe() and fork() and piped the output into buffer-objects (either string or pass-though, filter and combinations ...)
11:26 Sno|Laptop didn't we understand IPC::Run* correctly and was it waste of time or could those modules be helpful on CPAN?
11:39 Alias_ The problem with system()-like stuff is that they almost never work everywhere
11:39 Alias_ Your solution probably doesn't work on Windows
11:39 Alias_ And while it might be a bit interesting, any CPAN module that doesn't support all platforms will only ever see limited usage
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12:15 bit-man Hi
12:15 bit-man I hit a bug and need to report it on track
12:15 bit-man Anyone that can help me ?
12:16 Alias_ hi
12:16 bit-man I mean when tryed to report it on trac , the forst line says "In order to register please first talk to us on IRC"
12:16 bit-man :-)
12:17 Sewi Hi bit-man
12:17 Sewi Which bug is it?
12:17 Alias_ (we deduplicate bugs in IRC too) :)
12:17 bit-man When saving a session Padre kills itself
12:17 bit-man Not a HASH reference at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/P​adre/Wx/Dialog/SessionSave.pm line 186.
12:17 bit-man DESTROY ignored because DBI dbh handle (DBD::SQLite::db) is owned by thread 9db3008 not current thread b15fa40
12:18 bit-man sad :-(
12:18 Sewi Alias, I think szab removed it already?
12:18 Sewi (on trunk)
12:18 bit-man oops I'm using 0.57 from CPAN
12:19 Sewi bit-man: It's ok, 0.56 is the latest really-stable, 0.57 has been unstable for some reasons. If possible, downgrade and everything should be fine.
12:19 Sewi 0.58 should be more stable again.
12:20 bit-man Sewi, Great !
12:20 Sewi Sorry for the problems :-(
12:20 bit-man No problem, it happens
12:20 Hyppolit svn: r10928 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10928
12:20 Hyppolit Reduced the brightness of the green color in the plugin-enabled and syntax-ok icons
12:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/status/
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12:21 Sewi You may also use trunk
12:21 Sewi svn?
12:21 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download#​Moredetailedinstructionformanualinstallation
12:21 bit-man I guess I'll go with trunk
12:21 Sewi But it's sometimes even worse than 0.57 as it's the pure current development version. :-)
12:22 bit-man I feel lucky today ;-)
12:22 Sewi Do you want a trac account anyway?
12:23 bit-man Nope :-(
12:23 Sewi We're giving them away for free, today.
12:23 Sewi (Actually they're always free :-) )
12:24 bit-man Did you see ? It's my lucky day !!! ;-)
12:24 Hyppolit svn: r10929 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10929
12:24 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Bumped S:H:P6 dependency to 0.79
12:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/
12:27 bit-man Sorry I WANT a trac account
12:27 bit-man I understoos "Do you HAVE a trac account " :-P
12:27 bit-man My bad
12:27 Sewi :-)
12:28 Hyppolit svn: r10930 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10930
12:28 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Depends on Padre 0.56 and Updated changes the pending CPAN release
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/
12:28 Sewi register?
12:28 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
12:28 Sewi go ahead
12:30 bit-man Done
12:30 Hyppolit svn: r10931 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10931
12:30 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Another Changes update
12:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/
12:32 Sewi thanks
12:32 bit-man thanks to you
12:44 bit-man Sewi, installed from svn and it works like a charm
12:54 Sewi good, thanks
13:01 Hyppolit svn: r10932 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10932
13:01 Hyppolit Landing new and much faster Window menu
13:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:02 Alias_ Right
13:02 Alias_ Now you can open 100 files and the window menu refresh won't be cripplingly slo
13:02 Alias_ slow
13:17 Sno|Laptop back
13:17 Sno|Laptop Alias_: first, I detected that Padre::DB::Migrate::import fails system() because of invalid wxPerl executable in /usr/pkg/bin/ directory
13:18 Sno|Laptop might be got installed by wrongly configured Wx module
13:18 Sno|Laptop after I removed that, in debugger I could run the migrate-*.pl scripts and padre starts
13:21 Sno|Laptop but the second start didn't work properly with the well known initial error message
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13:28 Sno|Laptop Alias_: still alive?
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13:40 Sno|Laptop Alias_: did you read my "report" above?
13:40 Sno|Laptop maybe sth. get's lost through net-split
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14:24 Sno|Laptop Alias_, Sewi - anyone active?
14:24 Sno|Laptop *multicastping* ^^
14:44 Sewi pong
14:48 Sno|Laptop :)
14:50 Sno|Laptop problem on Darwin still persists - even if database migration was successful
14:57 Sewi hmm
14:57 Sewi register?
14:57 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
15:00 Sno|Laptop and what should it help when I'm registered (beside: I am)
15:01 Sno|Laptop my point is: I would like to get it run on MacOS X - and I'm off-site in a customer project (without the Mac of my gf) starting monday
15:08 Sewi Sorry, I needed the registration link for someone else, this is why I asked hyppolit :-)
15:08 Sno|Laptop ah :D
15:11 Sno|Laptop but looks like noone is active who could help ...
15:20 Sewi Sorry
15:25 Sno|Laptop no problem, I try again until someone responds or I'm getting kicked :)
15:26 Sno|Laptop I remember that Alias isn't reading/responding his mail frequently - so this is my best chance
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15:58 Alias_ ribaI don't believe that it persists
15:58 Alias_ Not if it installs all 15 patches
15:59 Alias_ You won't get the select error
16:02 Sno|Laptop catch Alias_
16:03 Sno|Laptop Alias_: could you perhaps assist me further to get Padre run out-of-the-box on MacOS X using pkgsrc?
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17:28 garu Sno|Laptop++
17:28 garu just got your message, nice job =)
18:41 dorkfish has anyone managed to get devel::repl::multiline::ppi working with padre::plugin::repl?
18:48 garu Ryan52 is the man to ask
18:48 dorkfish yeah, i will soon as he comes 'round
18:55 kthakore garu: !!!
18:55 kthakore garu: I iz having trobule with REPL too
18:56 kthakore garu: how do I  get padre in windows to give error messages
18:56 garu kthakore, Ryan52 is the man to ask =)
18:56 kthakore garu: :p
18:56 kthakore garu: oh new releases out for SDL and ALien:;SDL
18:58 szabgab good * everyone!
19:04 kthakore szabgab: huh?
19:05 kthakore good star?
19:05 dorkfish good whatever time of the day it is
19:05 dorkfish morning, noon, or night
19:05 kthakore ahhh
19:05 dorkfish :p
19:34 szabgab yesterday I moved the downloadable stand-alone padre files to the Googlecode download server that counts the number of downloads
19:34 szabgab download statistics: 50 downloads / day for Padre stand alone
19:35 szabgab surprisingly high
19:35 szabgab (compare that to 500 / day for Strawberry Perl)
19:50 Sewi Hi szabgab
19:50 szabgab hi Sewi
20:02 kthakore szabgab: neat!
20:02 garu szabgab, how was stand-alone padre built, btw? is there a blog post about it somewhere?
20:02 kthakore hi garu
20:02 szabgab hi garu !
20:03 szabgab the windows version was built by CSJewel
20:03 kthakore garu: CEbIT is in a week
20:03 szabgab it is in the padre repository I think
20:04 szabgab the linux version was built by me, and it is is called Perl-Dist-XL  though it still can only be built by me I think
20:04 garu szabgab, oh, I see
20:05 * garu thought it would be nice showing people how to create stand-alone dists of their perl apps
20:06 szabgab garu, I agree
20:06 szabgab especially I think for windows
20:06 szabgab as the Linux one hardly works
20:07 szabgab and most of the people could actually use PAR
20:07 szabgab only we cannot as Padre runs perl externally even for itself  while upgrading the database
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21:59 user_1863 hi
21:59 user_1863 is there a way to check perldoc on  padre
22:01 szabgab for built ins try F2 on the name of the sub
22:01 szabgab for modules try F1 on the name of the module
22:01 szabgab that's I think what we have now
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23:32 azawawi good morning
23:36 LeK bye
23:59 Hyppolit svn: r10933 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10933
23:59 Hyppolit Adding initial copy-n-paste Key binding dialog (ticket:860)
23:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/

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