Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:18 mattp f/win 2
00:22 Alias_ PerlJamAlias_: wow ... you must really like typing "foreach"  :)
00:22 Alias_ PerlJam: I like to try and keep most of the Padre code, at a line by line level, simple standard and relatively understandable to newbies
00:22 Alias_ While _WE_ may know that for and foreach are more or less interchangable, they aren't typically taught that way
00:25 Alias_ Time to try and fix the thread vs SQLite bug
00:30 Hyppolit svn: r11012 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11012
00:30 Hyppolit Initial drop
00:30 Hyppolit branches/
00:32 Alias_ mattp++
00:39 Hyppolit svn: r11013 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11013
00:39 Hyppolit initial drop
00:39 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Action/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
00:40 Hyppolit svn: r11014 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11014
00:40 Hyppolit inital drop - new file creation
00:40 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
00:40 mattp sorry for not doing this sooner
00:42 Hyppolit svn: r11015 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11015
00:42 Hyppolit wildcard incorrectly ignoring all files
00:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/lib/Padre/Plugin/
00:44 mattp Alias_: by the way, you mentioned wanting some things being renamed for the webserver portion to configsync at http://github.com/mphill22/configSrv
00:45 mattp im thinking it might be easier if i do the renaming before throwing it up on svn rather than after if it involves renaming alot of the schema/filenames?
00:56 Alias_ Nah, it's fine
00:57 Alias_ svn renames are relatively cheapo
00:57 mattp ok
01:03 Hyppolit svn: r11016 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11016
01:03 Hyppolit set timeout for LWP useragent
01:03 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/
01:14 Hyppolit svn: r11017 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11017
01:14 Hyppolit ConfigServ catalyst app - initial drop
01:14 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/configSrv/ trunk/configSrv/db/ trunk/configSrv/lib/ trunk/configSrv/lib/ConfigSrv/ trunk/configSrv/lib/ConfigSrv/Schema/ trunk/configSrv/lib/ConfigSrv/Schema/Result/ trunk/configSrv/lib/configSrv/ trunk/configSrv/lib/configSrv/Controller/ trunk/configSrv/lib/configSrv/Model/ trunk/configSrv/lib/configSrv/View/ trunk/configSrv/root/ trunk/configSrv/root/static/ trunk/configSrv/script/ trunk/configSrv/t/
01:17 Alias__ mattp: The stuff on trunk is broken for me
01:17 Alias__ Error: Error while performing action: URL 'http://svn.perlide.org/padre/t​runk/configSrv/lib/ConfigSrv' of existing directory 'c:\padre\configSrv\lib\configSrv' does not match expected URL 'http://svn.perlide.org/padre/t​runk/configSrv/lib/configSrv'
01:17 Alias__ I can't even update
01:20 Alias__ Also, I'm pretty sure you don't need a branch
01:21 Alias__ I'm looking at the existing one, and it doesn't do anything
01:21 Alias__ Just fetches a URL, but doesn't use it
01:21 Alias__ Well, not even that, just asks for a URL
01:22 mattp i dont understand what is causing that error, is it because there are two folders with the same name but different case?
01:23 Alias__ Ah yes, it's that
01:23 Alias__ Windows can't handle that
01:24 Alias__ It considers both of them to be the same thing
01:25 Alias__ So then maybe it is time for the new naming
01:26 Hyppolit svn: r11018 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11018
01:26 Hyppolit Fix faulty naming
01:26 Hyppolit trunk/configSrv/lib/
01:27 mattp i think that broke the catalyst app but it should hopefully let you update again. ill fix whatever is broken now
01:29 mattp im not sure what you meant by not needing a branch?
01:36 Alias__ The trunk version is just a dumb stub
01:36 Alias__ You could just drop yours into trunk instead
01:36 Alias__ Yup, that seems to fix it
01:37 mattp wouldnt putting it in trunk mean my code would go out with the next release of padre
01:39 mattp or am i misunderstanding something fundamental :)
01:40 Alias__ No
01:40 Alias__ trunk/Padre
01:40 Alias__ That's the actual primary distribution
01:40 Alias__ We're using the same "shared trunk" model as my svn.ali.as distro
01:40 Alias__ It means you don't need to checkout (or manage permissions for) 100 different repos
01:41 Alias__ trunk is just a collective of all the CPAN distributions
01:41 Alias__ It makes sure people hacking on Padre will have all the plugins and such around as well (in source form) as well as all the Padre dependencies we maintain
01:41 Alias__ Simplifies coding enormously
01:44 mattp i understand that. so have a trunk/Padre-ConfigSync instead of branches/Padre-ConfigSync ?
01:46 mattp or actually put what ive done into trunk/Padre .. if thats the case im not sure its ready for primetime yet. i need to write full tests still
02:00 mattp Alias__: i see what you mean now. "Could not find icon 'status/padre-fallback-icon'!" crash
02:31 Alias_ I wouldn't put it into core yet
02:31 Alias_ Most of the code should life quite happily in a plugin
02:32 Alias_ Since the config subsystem itself natively support the key ->apply method
02:32 Alias_ The rest just builds on top of that
02:34 Hyppolit svn: r11019 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11019
02:34 Hyppolit bug in login wx logic
02:34 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
02:35 Alias_ Want me to do the move?
02:36 mattp ahh . ya i was thinking of writing it as a plugin originally, but you and szabgab mentioned you wanted the sync code in core way back
02:36 mattp sure if youd like
02:43 Alias_ We do, but if you write it as a plugin initially, it shouldn't be a problem
02:43 Alias_ Depends how ready you think it is
02:43 Alias_ Plugin structure is handy during experimental crashy phases :)
02:43 Alias_ We've merged half a dozen other plugins at various times
02:48 mattp im ok with working on getting it into a plugin for the time being. maybe after tomorrow though, have to present to the class a working demo :)
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04:49 user_228 Hi
04:49 user_228 i am new to padre
04:50 user_228 while clicking Step over button on my padre
04:50 user_228 it crached
04:51 user_228 url is http://pastebin.com/1Csb35EA
04:51 user_228 pls help
05:04 user_228 is anybody there?
05:21 user_228 seems everybody busy
05:21 user_228 logging out
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05:32 Hyppolit svn: r11020 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11020
05:32 Hyppolit Now 1.58 is released, bumping ORLite dependency to 1.41 to get the ->connected method that is needed to fix the SQLite vs thread clash
05:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
05:32 Alias_ FYI
05:32 Alias_ http://svn.ali.as/cpan/releases/ORLite-1.41.tar.gz
05:33 Alias_ mattp: Ah, so THAT's why you are working so feverishly atm :)
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06:03 Hyppolit svn: r11021 | perlpilot++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11021
06:03 Hyppolit [Perl6] run parrot from parrot_install
06:03 Hyppolit
06:03 Hyppolit Rakudo runs from an installed parrot that's in the parrot_install
06:03 Hyppolit directory, so we should too.
06:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
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06:44 Hyppolit svn: r11022 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11022
06:44 Hyppolit Speculative fix to the threading vs SQLite bug
06:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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07:01 Sewi hi
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07:07 zloyrusskiy hi, i'm working with padre on windows, while closing it i have runtime error, how can correct this (or help you to correct this)?
07:08 Sewi Run the patch from the download page
07:08 Sewi download?
07:08 Hyppolit download is http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
07:08 Sewi It's a know bug based on a development Wx version
07:09 zloyrusskiy hmmm 0.56... i upgraded to 0.58
07:09 zloyrusskiy it's development version?
07:09 Sewi No, the Wx-Library used in the .msi installer is dev
07:13 zloyrusskiy ok, thanks i'll try it
07:20 Hyppolit svn: r11023 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11023
07:20 Hyppolit Whitespace tweak
07:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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07:38 Hyppolit svn: r11024 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11024
07:38 Hyppolit Add another CeBit blog entry
07:38 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Staff/lib/Perl/
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07:40 azawawi good morning
07:45 Sewi Hi azawawi
07:45 Sewi Did you see the ticket from CeBit for you?
07:48 azawawi Sewi: yeah :)
07:48 azawawi Sewi: i'll do it once someone does what he promised me :)
07:49 Sewi You're right, no excuses. Just that Gabor and I were happy if we could write a blog or so entry when getting home, but you won't want to see me writing source at this level of remaining brainpower :-)
07:50 azawawi nice job over there... :)
07:51 azawawi the blog coverage was excellent
07:51 azawawi http://www.google.jo/search?sourceid=​chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=perl+cebit
07:51 azawawi http://www.google.jo/search?sourceid=​chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=perl6+cebit
07:51 Sewi Just look at Perl::Staff, it's currently released more often than Padre :-)
07:52 azawawi yeah i took a look at it
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07:53 azawawi Sewi: btw i even read the german cebit blogs
07:53 azawawi Sewi: using chrome's new translate feature :)
07:53 Sewi :-)
07:53 azawawi Sewi: pretty good although Padre is translated as "Father"
07:54 Sewi No problem, CPAN helps also for this: http://search.cpan.org/searc​h?query=Father&mode=all :-)
07:59 Sewi azawawi: Is it possible at all "convert" this typo3 highlighting?
08:00 azawawi Sewi: i have no clue about this typo3 :)
08:00 Sewi mee2
08:01 Sewi Here is what I learned about it on CeBit:
08:01 * azawawi listens
08:01 Sewi - Usually you need a developer and a webdesigner for a web project, with typo3 you also need a typo3 developer but workload for the others is still the same.
08:02 Sewi - There is no typo3 highlighting editor except eclipse atm.
08:03 azawawi so what is typo3 again?
08:03 azawawi a cms?
08:03 azawawi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TYPO3
08:03 azawawi ?
08:04 Sno|Laptop Typo3 is PHP bloatware :)
08:05 * Sewi doesn't want to install or use it.
08:05 azawawi lol
08:05 Sewi But having highlighting for such a widely used "thing" would be nice expecially if noone else has :-)
08:06 * azawawi checks his todo list :)
08:08 Sno|Laptop maybe ... I have a great print tool for C ...
08:08 Sno|Laptop I ever want this "reimplement" for other languages ...
08:08 Sno|Laptop it's not a real print tool - it's a converter from C to PostScript :)
08:09 Sewi The Tidy Plugin has a Perl2HTML converter
08:09 Sno|Laptop it highlights (of course, but it's from late 80's) - and - it draws big combining lines between curly braces
08:10 Sno|Laptop further: it ensures that a printed function/method doesn't exceed page (if function not longer than a page)
08:11 Sno|Laptop every page has the function name(s) contained on the page in the headline etc.
08:11 Sno|Laptop it's a very great tool - and I've never seen comparable
08:12 Sewi Sounds really cool
08:13 Sno|Laptop you might find it, when search for "cpost"
08:13 Sno|Laptop when I have time, I make a public package in pkgsrc for it
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08:14 Sno|Laptop but what I would really want to do is having this tool available for C, C++ and Perl (and open for other languages or similar like CSS)
08:15 Sno|Laptop that's why I became clairaudient at the talk about generalizing syntax highlighting ...
08:19 azawawi Sewi: im thinking of generalizing all search dialogs... Wx::Perl::SearchDialog or something...
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08:21 azawawi Sewi: and dialogs remembering where it was... in terms of a percentage or something...
08:21 azawawi Alias_: ping...
08:22 azawawi Alias_: dialogs remembering where their position and size were...
08:22 azawawi Alias__: were/was
08:23 azawawi Sewi: one more thing about search dialogs is that they also have some sort of data source to filter...
08:23 azawawi Sewi: once generalized we could make a single search dialog do many things
08:24 azawawi Sewi: like search help (perl faq), X<> results
08:24 azawawi Sewi: and files/menu items/advanced preferences...
08:27 waxhead hey azawawi
08:27 azawawi hey waxhead... great job on your last post
08:28 azawawi it was truly a timeline of what recently happened...
08:29 waxhead thanks..
08:31 * azawawi work &
08:50 reneeb szabgab: I pushed the RegexExplain plugin for Padre on github: http://github.com/reneeb/Padre-Plugin-RegexExplain ...
08:56 Alias__ Just an FYI
08:57 Alias__ I think I have completely fucked up my first attempt at the SQLite vs threads fix
08:57 Alias__ Please ignore the resulting explosion for now
08:57 Alias__ I've recruited a more hardcore set of process analysis and debugging tools
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09:06 Alias__ azawawi: I would not like to see a new generation of dialogs for things like search until we solve the problem of wx filesystem operations
09:07 Alias__ If the dialog stuff can't support incremental search, we'd just have to write yet another one
09:11 * Sewi points to the "replace within selection" ticket :-)
09:11 Alias__ Well, let me clarify
09:11 Alias__ Find and Replace _used_ to be one dialog
09:11 Alias__ But, frankly, it was really messy code
09:12 Alias__ And it made adding specialised features just for a single of those two cases really hard
09:12 Alias__ For the regular Find and Replace dialogs, the split implementation is much much cleaner and easier to maintain
09:13 Alias__ And moving the actual search logic out into a standalone library meant it's fairly easy to make these simple dialog classes on top of the same search logic
09:22 bart BTW I do miss being able to search in the rendered POD...
09:23 Alias__ hrm
09:23 Alias__ OK, so the SlaveDriver system is REALLY not living up to expectations
09:23 Alias__ We load huge amounts of stuff before initiating it
09:23 Alias__ But I think I can fix this
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09:37 Alias__ hrm
09:37 Alias__ Making this Slave Driver stuff work will be really tricky
09:38 Alias__ We WANT to get it in there as early as possible, and it's disconnection from the TaskManager makes that easier
09:38 Alias__ But because it passes events via Wx, we need to at least have THAT loaded
09:42 Hyppolit svn: r11025 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11025
09:42 Hyppolit Spelling fix.
09:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:55 Hyppolit #842: Window Menu is not refreshing. (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/842#comment:2 ]
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10:24 Hyppolit svn: r11026 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11026
10:24 Hyppolit Param tweak
10:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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10:31 Hyppolit svn: r11027 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11027
10:31 Hyppolit A second attempt at fixing the thread vs SQLite bug, this one appears much more likely to work. It may still potentially cause problems if any background thread uses Padre::DB (while database handles won't be copied, the DBD::Driver object will be, and that might cause a problem)
10:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
10:33 * Sewi updating...
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10:41 waxhead I'm trying to work out what's going on with the View menu and view document as selecting PIR all the time... but i'm stuck
10:41 waxhead hey submersible... you a dad yet?
10:41 submersible yup :D
10:41 submersible beautiful baby girl
10:42 Sewi congrats
10:43 waxhead woo hoo!! Congrats
10:43 waxhead mum and bub doing OK?
10:43 waxhead how's the sleeping?  are you banking as much as you can?  :)
10:45 waxhead Can't call method "filename" on an undefined value at /home/pete/Programming/Perl/Padre/trunk/​Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/WindowList.pm line 312.
10:46 Alias__ Are you using a plugin that does unusual things with either the Notebook or non-editor panels in it?
10:46 submersible Mum is a total legend - she's doing well. bub still settling into some kind of pattern.
10:46 Alias__ oh, you're here
10:46 Alias__ Congrats
10:46 waxhead Alias__, likely yes... I just tried using "revert" in the SVN plugin and it crashed Padre
10:47 waxhead submersible, good luck with that.. :)
10:47 submersible as to the sleeping ... sitting up on high alert...so i am nodding off at random times
10:47 Alias__ submersible: Ironically, the shirt in the baby phoot is quite appropro, since searching for pen FUNDED the baby :)
10:47 submersible hi Alias
10:47 * submersible considers adding Povray to padre
10:47 Alias__ Clearly you are sleep deprived
10:48 submersible nah - stc already appears to have a lexer for it
10:48 Alias__ Oh, you mean the FORMAT
10:48 Alias__ Not so much the actual GUI interfacing
10:48 submersible well that would be pretty damn easy to 'run document' to get a render to happen
10:49 waxhead how does all the menuing stuff work???
10:50 waxhead someone needs to write up a quick "when adding menus you see this file.open which means that you blah blah blah... " document...
10:50 waxhead I have no idea how the bits go together.. :(
10:51 waxhead which is making tracking down this PIR for all documents hard to work out..
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11:12 alvar hi
11:12 alvar As Mac user I found some sort of Bugs in the Windows version:
11:12 alvar ;)
11:13 alvar the shortcuts Alt-Shift-... are not really usable on windows
11:13 alvar e.g. Perl::Tidy Plugin
11:14 Sewi Hi Alias_
11:14 Sewi Sorry
11:14 Sewi Hi alvar
11:14 Sewi Which language are you using?
11:14 alvar when pressing Alt-Shift on Windows, the keyboard layout changes (here DE<=>EN)
11:14 alvar hi Sewi
11:14 alvar German
11:15 Sewi Welches Shortcut wird denn angezeigt?
11:15 alvar Alt-Umschalt
11:16 alvar Englisches Windows, Padre auf Deutsch gestellt
11:17 Sewi It shows Alt+F here but Alt+Shift also switches language layout.
11:17 Sewi (My Padre is German on German Ubuntu)
11:18 alvar "Alt-Umschalt-F" (Aktives Dokument) und "Alt-Umschalt-G" (Ausgewaehlten Text)
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11:19 alvar Sewi: Alt on Windows does not really works, because it enables Menu-Shortcuts; so every Alt-Shortcut can't be used from the Applecation, I guess
11:19 alvar ups ;)
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11:21 Sewi Sorry, had to restart browser due to memory problems...
11:21 Alias__ submersible, ping?
11:22 alvar Sewi: Alt on Windows does not really works, because it enables Menu-Shortcuts; so every Alt-Shortcut can't be used from the Applecation, I guess
11:22 Alias__ waxhead: Unfortunately, even I'm not completely sure how the menus work at the moment, and I wrote most of it
11:22 Alias__ The Action system is still a bit rough around the edges, and needs some polishing
11:22 Sewi alvar: Do you want to check what is defined for this action?
11:22 alvar ;-)
11:22 alvar where should I look for it?
11:22 Sewi I think it's Ctrl+Shift+F in the English one
11:23 alvar Ctrl-Shift-F is it in Eclipse, so this would be a good choice ;-)
11:24 alvar but in Padre/Win Ctrl-Shift-F shows File search box ("In Dateien finden")
11:25 Sewi More logical to me than tidy :-)
11:25 alvar hmmm ;)
11:25 waxhead Alias__, ok...
11:25 alvar Ctrl-F is the usual Search/Replace box
11:26 alvar ups, only search, no replace
11:26 waxhead Alias__, I'm just a bit lost with how this document type thing gets set up... so I can see where the menu gets built, but I can't find any action that then does something with it...
11:27 Alias__ In general, or for a particular file type
11:27 submersible Alias: ping
11:28 Alias__ submersible, hi :)
11:28 Alias__ I thought you might want to know what you're NOT having to deal with
11:28 submersible good o
11:28 submersible :P
11:28 submersible price spinlocking ... political intrigue ? what?
11:29 Alias__ So Kirby and I cornered the marketing chick at Friday drinks, and harangued her to consult us early on stuff, and how we could do more if only we had data etc etc
11:29 submersible riiiight
11:29 Alias__ So I just got an email an hour ago :)
11:29 Alias__ Apparently, the "blue truck" is hurting sales :)
11:30 submersible pardon my french
11:30 submersible ... no fucking shit
11:30 Alias__ And even though Ross et al (and us) have said we can't sort gold first in search for everyone, could I please call X from W.A. and see if we can't magic something up
11:30 submersible to paraphrase.... shattering the illusion that we deliver next day is hurting sales
11:30 Alias__ So....
11:31 Alias__ Right
11:31 Alias__ We saved money in the first month, till people realised what we were doing
11:31 Alias__ Briefly meeting the assumption of the Oxford people, I'm sure, that we'd save money and sales would OF COURSE not change, since these things don't change
11:31 submersible we can't sort gold - fullstop , we don't know gold
11:32 Alias__ But wait
11:32 waxhead Alias__, it's an open ticket at the moment... the thing is that the status bar gets the right mimetype, but when you go to view/view document as, it's stuck on PIR
11:32 Alias__ submersible: We do know gold right, just NOT in Endecca, and certainly not at any level of depth
11:33 Alias__ submersible, so what if we calculated a "goldness" score between 0 and 1, averaged over all 45 warehouses nationally
11:33 submersible nope - gold is the NAND( wh, state_wh )
11:33 Alias__ We can't do it RIGHT
11:33 submersible I suggested this some time ago
11:33 Alias__ So when I tell them we can do this, and do it relatively quickly and easily based on existing data, you won't be angry at me right?
11:33 submersible by 'sort' you mean 'relevance rank skew' right?
11:33 Alias__ right
11:34 Alias__ tie break
11:34 Alias__ Or whatever
11:34 submersible yup - no worries
11:34 Alias__ OK
11:34 submersible generate a 'gold score' per item
11:34 Alias__ yup
11:34 submersible overlay than on the index and include in the tie break scorer
11:34 Alias__ Approximate mean time to delivery etc etc
11:34 submersible semantics :)
11:35 Alias__ Does endecca know warehouses or states?
11:35 Alias__ As a concept?
11:35 submersible nope
11:35 Alias__ OK, so first approximation easy, second approximate hard
11:35 Alias__ And proper per-customer, memory-infeasible for the moment
11:35 submersible however - if we presume warehouses dont come and go often... we 'might' be able to do that per warehouse / state_dc
11:36 submersible don't let that idea out of the bag just yet
11:36 Alias__ I won't
11:36 Alias__ I'll offer them national, we both know tie breaking is SO bad, that even that should have an immediate impact
11:36 submersible sadly this will only work for search term ranking.
11:37 Alias__ That may be enough
11:37 submersible unless we fiddle the default sorting order to use the goldness-index
11:37 submersible also fairly simple
11:37 Alias__ It's a dollar thing right, so you can take a chunk out of the problem and make a noticable bottom line impact
11:37 Alias__ An actual legitimate dollar thing too, for once
11:37 submersible sigh
11:37 Alias__ It doesn't HAVE to be perfect as long as we can rip it out easily later, which we can
11:38 Alias__ (Unlike half of business' ideas)
11:38 submersible rather
11:39 waxhead well, I'm done for the night...
11:39 waxhead nite all
11:40 submersible Alias: the big up side to that is , it is independant of a regular release - just a matter of index fiddling
11:40 Alias__ Yup
11:40 Alias__ Which is why I'm happy to offer it to them
11:42 submersible what poor sucker gets to implement that....
11:42 submersible texas bob is going to love it
11:43 Alias__ Just as we finally get checkout under control too :)
11:43 Alias__ I'll throw it at him and see how he does, if it's too hard we'll wait for you to get back and he can try a second time under supervision
11:44 submersible I'll try and write something up this week
11:44 Alias__ Nah, it's fine
11:44 Alias__ Give me time to run the politics first
11:44 submersible cool - let me know
11:44 * submersible shakes head
11:44 Alias__ We'll see what they actually want, I'm at one or two removes still
11:44 submersible the blue truck is evil
11:45 Alias__ At least it's visible evil
11:45 Alias__ I'd rather be given a model of the delivery system and just predict future day of the week ourself
11:45 Alias__ Although THAT makes sorting even harder
11:45 Alias__ But at least it's better than lying that it's next day
11:46 submersible tru
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13:01 Mike__B So, I guess Padre does not integrate with CVS servers so far, right?
13:01 Mike__B So I'll have to do my CVS commits etc. via the good ol' command line?
13:03 Sewi Hi Mike__B
13:03 Sewi You may do this, but you may also add the Padre plugin for your cvs system :-)
13:04 Sewi http://search.cpan.org/search?q​uery=Padre::Plugin&amp;mode=all
13:04 Mike__B Sewi: you mean as in, write it yourself...?
13:05 Sewi No, just install it from CPAN
13:05 Sewi (Depending on your CVS software, of cause)
13:05 daxim there's no CVS plugin
13:05 Sewi plugins?
13:05 Hyppolit plugins is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
13:06 daxim we have Git, Hg, SVK, SVN
13:06 Mike__B yeah, and NO cvs..
13:06 Sewi Sorry, mixed them up
13:06 Mike__B and the Git plugin is very limited if I read the source correctly :D
13:07 Mike__B otherwise another option would have been to move from CVS >> Git for my project.
13:07 Sewi But a copy of the svn (or another) should be a good place to start a CVS one :-)
13:07 Mike__B but moving CVS >> Mercurial I guess is not the best of ideas.
13:07 daxim that's totally kaare's fault
13:09 Mike__B So I'm happy I understood correctly, there's no CVS integration so far...
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13:19 Sewi hi zenog
13:19 zenog hi all
13:19 zenog I have a question relating the update of translations - I edited de.po, but the changes don't show up in Padre.
13:20 zenog I tried to follow the instructions on http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
13:20 Sewi You need to restart Padre.
13:20 Sewi And please talk to the current translator for that language before committing the changes :-)
13:21 zenog haha, I found my mistake - I checked out the current version from repository, but I run the version from CPAN on my machine :-P
13:21 zenog my bad
13:21 Sewi No problem
13:21 zenog Don't have commit bit, would have sent an e-mail anyway.
13:21 zenog Just wanted to make sure it works.
13:28 Sewi What did you update?
13:37 zenog Sewi: Just some stuff I notified while trying out Padre.
13:40 Sewi Okay, wait a moment...
13:41 Sewi Do you have a trac account?
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13:43 zenog Nope
13:44 Sewi register?
13:44 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
13:44 Sewi Change this, please :-)
13:46 zenog Account is "zenogantner"
13:47 Sewi Ok, closing registration again
13:47 Sewi Now say: "Hyppolit: Sesam �ffne Dich", please :-)
13:48 zenog Hyppolit: Sesam öffne Dich
13:48 Hyppolit svn: r11028 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11028
13:48 Hyppolit Come in, Aladin...
13:48 Hyppolit subversion/
13:48 Sewi Just kidding :-)
13:48 Sewi Go ahead committing it.
13:48 zenog cool
13:49 zenog I hope I won't break anything ;-)
13:49 Sewi No, please don't do this. Adding bugs and creating things is currently dedicated to Alias and me :-)
13:49 zenog :-)
13:51 Sewi And add yourself to the list of translators
13:51 zenog What is expected to be in the svn changelog?
13:52 zenog Just a brief msg like "updated German translation"?
13:53 Sewi yes
13:53 Sewi Which city are you from? (Answer is optional)
13:53 zenog Hildesheim/Hannover
13:54 Sewi not really.
13:54 Sewi ?
13:54 daxim zomg! da komm ich auch her!!!!1111
13:54 Sewi Ich dachte Du bist aus/in AT? :-)
13:54 daxim not really.
13:56 Sewi zenog: I'm currently working on a (new) Hannover.pm perl mongers meeting, are you interested?
13:57 zenog Sewi: yes
14:02 zenog Where do I find the list of translators?
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14:04 sblandin Hello there...
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14:04 sblandin I have updated to the last development version of Padre
14:05 sblandin If I choose "close files..." from the file/close menù
14:06 sblandin If I have just an unsaved file opened Padre chrashes
14:06 sblandin Anyone experincing the same problem?
14:08 zenog sblandin: Do you mean the "Close Files Dialog"?
14:09 zenog sblandin: I have the same problem.
14:09 sblandin Yes
14:09 zenog Can't call method "filename" on an undefined value at /mnt/data/src/padre/Padre/lib/​Padre/Wx/Dialog/WindowList.pm line 312. DESTROY ignored because DBI dbh handle (DBD::SQLite::db) is owned by thread 96fd008 not current thread a9985f8
14:10 sblandin It's almost the same
14:10 sblandin Punt instead of DESTROY... I get Perl exited with active threads
14:12 sblandin I meant But instead of destroy
14:12 zenog sblandin: I had such a message before as well.
14:15 Sewi sblandin: Known, will be fixed
14:15 sblandin OK
14:16 Hyppolit svn: r11029 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11029
14:16 Hyppolit updated German translation
14:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/share/locale/
14:17 zenog So, back to work ...
14:18 Sewi Oh, a last notice: Please don't use the tidy plugin or a command line tidy on any Padre source.
14:18 Sewi There is a script in tools
14:18 sblandin Oops an error in repository update
14:19 sblandin I am overwriting some files
14:19 sblandin Now is stopped
14:19 zenog Sewi: okay
14:22 sblandin How can I undo that?
14:23 sblandin No, wait, no problem
14:23 sblandin I do Update instead of commit
14:23 sblandin Sorry
14:24 Sewi svn revert file|dir
14:24 Hyppolit svn: r11030 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11030
14:24 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
14:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
14:25 sblandin I have not to revert anything I just pressed the wrong menu option
14:25 sblandin Sorry
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15:04 DomiX hi
15:05 Sewi Hi DomiX
15:09 Sewi Any questions?
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15:14 DomiX well, I was in trouble to upgrade to 0.58 on Strawberry Perl but I tried one more time and it finally installed :-)
15:16 Sewi Did you see the patch notice on the download page?
15:40 mantovani guys, about to implement debugging on Padre. Do you have some idea how it will work, or it is like do what I mean ?
15:41 Sewi It's implemented :-)
15:43 mantovani Sewi: http://www.perlfoundation.org/pe​rl5/index.cgi?gsoc_2010_projects
15:43 mantovani Padre, the Perl IDE http://padre.perlide.org/ (some of the project ideas:)
15:43 mantovani "Adding Debugger"
15:44 mantovani I said it because it =/
15:44 Sewi Shall I delete that code? :-)
15:45 mantovani hahahahaha
15:45 mantovani sorry
15:46 Sewi no problem :-)
15:49 Getty Just curious, we must set a decide between Bricolage and WebGUI on that list ;)
15:49 Getty (i would always vote for the one that is one CPAN :-P)
15:50 Sewi WordPress :-)
15:50 Getty LOL
15:50 Getty run forrest run!
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16:45 Sno|Laptop seeing the GSoC projects for Padre - what's about Padre::Plugin::SVN & co? not smooth enough?
16:47 Sno|Laptop what I got as feedback:
16:47 Sno|Laptop - missing <show definition> like EPIC provides (e.g. when on a package or variable, it shows where it's initial defined)
16:47 Sno|Laptop - missing diff/patch support
16:47 Sewi definition?
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16:47 Sewi diff  support is there
16:48 Sno|Laptop Sewi: I mean both - get diff from (e.g. diff against svn repo) and apply patch to project/directory/file
16:50 Sno|Laptop especially for windows developers who have no native patch utility, the latter one is very interesting
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16:59 Sewi The patch thing is missing, but it shouldn't take long to add...
17:32 zenog bye
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17:49 Getty hehe i just convinced the people of kodingen.com (awesome platform idea) to bring in a much better perl support, right now it lags, and later it would have been only offer the chance "to upload your module by your own"
17:50 Getty but now suggested them to really make a possibility for install modules via CPAN in userspace
17:50 Getty that would give a free cloud platform which supports anything possible in userspace by perl for the community
17:51 Sno|Laptop Sewi: what do you mean with "definition?"
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18:18 mtbf hello
18:18 mtbf why cant' i debug wx scripts with padre IDE?
18:24 Sewi Hi mtbf
18:25 Sewi Sno|Laptop- missing <show definition> ...
18:25 Sewi mtbf: Which OS and what happens?
18:25 mtbf windows 7 x64
18:26 * Sewi fireing up Padre...
18:26 Sno|Laptop ok - long explanation: have a module (let's take SQL::Statement), navigating in editor to a place where SQL::Parser->parse is used - when pressing <F3> in EPIC, EPIC opens a new editor tab and loads SQL::Parser in it and put's the cursor to the start of the method parse()
18:27 Sewi mtbf: What happens?
18:27 Sewi Sno|Laptop: This is in Padre's Perl menu but I don't know if it works cross-file atm.
18:28 Sno|Laptop it doesn't - that's what I mean
18:29 Sewi ok
18:30 Sno|Laptop to be true, /me is using gvim with exctags ^^
18:31 Sewi You know that you are required to do one bugfix for each usage day of another editor? :-)
18:32 * Sno|Laptop is currently fixing SQL::Statement - after that Proc::ProcessTable
18:32 Sewi mtbf: Debugging seems to work here, could you give more details?
18:33 Sno|Laptop and when I reached my personal goals for S::S - we can talk about another project :)
18:34 Sno|Laptop in the meantime, packaging and feedback user reports from pkgsrc and professional use (read: reporting bugs) must satisfy you all ^^
18:34 mtbf no - i have opened a wx-example script and would like debug it - like devel-ptkdb
18:34 Sewi What happens if you step into it?
18:36 Sewi Hmm, "run" seems to be unfunctional.
18:37 mtbf i come at $apps->MainLoop - then the gui won't start
18:37 mtbf when i hit F5 it happens the same - no gui
18:38 Sewi Do you want to open a trac ticket for this?
18:38 mtbf how?
18:39 Sewi register?
18:39 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
18:39 Sewi Click on that link, create a trac account and then click on "Create ticket".
18:39 Sewi You man want to look at the ticketlist first if it's a known problem, but I don't remember reading about it.
18:46 mtbf can anywhere test this porblem
18:49 Sewi Same here
18:49 Sewi I just didn't step up to the mainloop
18:52 Sewi Did you register?
18:55 Hyppolit svn: r11031 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11031
18:55 Hyppolit Change password TextCtrl's to Wx::wxTE_PASSWORD style
18:55 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
18:56 Hyppolit svn: r11032 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11032
18:56 Hyppolit Fix the window list dialog (reload some/close some)
18:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
18:56 mtbf is there a perl5db.pl in padreIDE?
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18:57 Hyppolit svn: r11033 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11033
18:57 Hyppolit Remove debug print - sorry
18:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
18:59 Sewi Running and debugging Wx apps works on Linux, seems to be a windows problem.
19:00 Sewi registration closed again
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19:11 Hyppolit #882: dubugging for Wx-scripts doesn't work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/882 ]
19:13 Hyppolit #882: debugging for Wx-scripts doesn't work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/882#comment:1 ]
19:23 rindolf szabgab: you should include a user-ID in your szabgab.com RSS feed.
19:23 rindolf I keep seeing you as "nobody".
19:26 Sewi ping szabgab
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19:35 szabgab rindolf, I wonder how do you get these new ideas regarding my blog or my feed every 6 months or so,  why not all of them together?
19:35 szabgab Sewi, reping
19:36 rindolf szabgab: I've already told you about it.
19:37 szabgab oh and then I guess I asked where should it be or how should I add it and you have not responded
19:41 Sewi Don't know if this was because of CeBit, but I handed out about half a byte of commit bits during the last two days :-)
19:43 szabgab that's great, we just have to pay attention to the commits and direct people to the style we are using
19:45 Sewi Yeah, I'm asking there what they want to commit before handing them out and try to look at their first commit(s).
19:49 szabgab night &
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20:09 Sewi Hi jagd
20:16 jagd Hi Sewi
20:16 Sewi Any questions?
20:17 jagd :) no question,   i only want to see,  what discussing you.
20:17 shadowpaste "kgish" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Padre keeps crashing when I run perl6, any idea what this means?" (6 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/40482
20:17 jagd sorry,  what are you discussing
20:18 Sewi Where did you hear about Padre?
20:18 Sewi kgish: Which OS? (Sorry if I asked you before)
20:18 kgish ubuntu
20:19 szabgab kgish, I am not here any more but I recall azawawi talking abouit some Storable issues regarding the Perl 6 plugin
20:19 szabgab but I go back to sleep &
20:19 jagd Sewi, before 2 Monate, i was working under Windows, where was no configured editor for me.  and i found Padre
20:19 kgish is there a newer version where this is fixed?
20:19 Sewi kgish: Did you try trunk?
20:20 Sewi jagd: Noch jemand aus de? :-)
20:20 jagd Sewi, its many Features is very attractiv
20:20 jagd Sewi, was jemand aus de?
20:21 Sewi jagd: I'm from Germany, too, and we got some new German visitors here during the last days :-)
20:21 jagd Sewi, das ist Toll
20:21 kgish trunk perl6 plugin? or trunk padre?
20:21 Sewi kgish: both :-)
20:22 kgish hmmm, tried that for awhile but became too unstable too often so chose official cpan way of installing/upgrading
20:22 szabgab Sewi, I think jagd said he was the Chinese who visited booth, right  jagd?
20:23 kgish but unfortunately that also seems to be pretty unstable for me
20:23 jagd Yes
20:23 jagd Sewi, ich habe vor paar Monate im Maillist gesehen,  jemand moechte ein Workshop fuer Perl schreiben.
20:23 jagd Sewi, war das Workshop "Padre"?
20:23 kgish I also have an issue about the editor, can i discuss it here?
20:23 Sewi kgish: Go on :-)
20:25 kgish home shift-down ctrl-c ctrl-v ... doesn't proceed to the following line, e.g. if i want to keep pasting I have to hit the enter key each time before ctrl-v
20:26 kgish kind of a pain when copying a line multiple times in place.
20:26 kgish what's the editor based on?
20:26 Sewi Wx components :-)
20:27 kgish okay ... i've noticed some subtle differences like above which are a bit awkward, anyway to configure that?
20:27 Sewi Go ahead, change it :-)
20:28 kgish where?
20:28 kgish i don't know Wx at all
20:28 * Sewi too
20:29 Sewi Document/Perl.pm->autocomplete has some functions for getting chars, lines and selections. Next look at Wx/Main.pm or first Action/Edit.pm to find the Ctrl+C - method.
20:30 Sewi Add some prints using the functions from Document/Perl.pm to that method and you should be not far from fixing it.
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20:50 jagd hallo,  is anyone here?
20:51 Sewi Hyppolit?
20:51 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.05
20:51 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
20:51 Sewi Sure, we're still here :-)
20:52 jagd Sewi, :)
20:53 jagd Sewi, i just got the SVN Version, if i changed the translate(have somemore added),  how can i submit it?
20:54 Sewi Do you have a trac account?
20:54 Sewi translation?
20:54 Sewi translate?
20:54 Sewi Hmm, Hyppolit doesn't know these currently :-(
20:54 Sewi wiki?
20:55 jagd Sewi, i do not have a trac account, i think
20:55 jagd ...bitte lasse ich Deutsch sprechen :-)
20:55 Sewi Hyppolit: translation is http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
20:55 Hyppolit translation was unknown
20:55 Hyppolit translation is now http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
20:55 Sewi Kein Problem, das hier ist ein internationaler Channel :-)
20:56 Sewi register?
20:56 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
20:56 Sewi Bitte geh auf den Link, leg Dir einen Account an und sag mir den Benutzernamen
20:56 jagd ok,  ich versuche mal.
20:58 jagd Sewi, Mein Konto ist jetzt "jagd"
20:58 Sewi ok
20:58 Sewi Dann schau Dir bitte diese Seite an
20:58 Sewi translation?
20:58 Hyppolit translation is http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
20:58 Sewi Ich w�rde Dir poedit empfehlen...
20:58 jagd klar,  ich habe schon durchgelesen
20:58 Sewi ok :-)
20:59 Sewi Dann leg los :-) Vergiss nicht, Dich in die Liste der �bersetzer einzutragen.
20:59 jagd :)
21:00 Hyppolit svn: r11034 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11034
21:00 Hyppolit Adding another bit of commit rights :-)
21:00 Hyppolit subversion/
21:00 Sewi Jetzt kannst Du die �nderungen auch hochladen .-)
21:03 jagd danke, Sewi.
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21:09 Sewi gerne
21:10 Sno|Laptop #padre.de? :)
21:10 jagd :P
21:11 Sewi Ich denke das lohnt sich noch nicht :-)
21:11 * Sno|Laptop ist da leidenschaftslos
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21:33 LeK hi
21:33 Sewi hi
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21:56 Sewi gn8
23:02 Hyppolit svn: r11035 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11035
23:02 Hyppolit update turkish translation
23:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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23:54 Hyppolit svn: r11036 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11036
23:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/

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