Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-03-25

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05:00 SvenDowideit for some reason my X isn't letting me try rotating my screen, and so I can't do the simplest thing that will fix this:
05:00 SvenDowideit padre in full screen is over wasted 50% white page
05:01 SvenDowideit ideally, I'd love to have 2 (or more) seperate files open side by side
05:01 SvenDowideit any chance someone's already working on more dockable/draggable windowing?
05:46 Sewi gm
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06:02 Sewi Sven: There is a ticket for this and someone started it lately but I haven't 0read about it 00for s1ome time now2 1a0n00d 000so it might be dead again  :-(22
06:02 Sewi Don't wond5er these numbers, 1Zoe is typing on my keyboard and removing all her typings takes too long for chatting :-)
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07:01 azawawi good morning
07:01 Sewi hi azawawi
07:01 Sno|Laptop moin moin
07:02 * azawawi tries to solve the stdout/err handle bug under padre.exe with some C foo :)
07:13 azawawi Alias: ping
07:14 azawawi Sewi: i think we can solve that problem once and for all by redirecting stdout/err to files at startup... and make them available somewhere...
07:15 azawawi Sewi: this means no more crashes from most perl code that expects STDOUT/ERR to be open.
07:16 azawawi Sewi: tried the AllocConsole method and then did some redirecting via C but that didnt work for two reasons:
07:16 azawawi Sewi: 1. AllocConsole() shows the console and you have to hide... i.e. you will the command line window
07:17 azawawi Sewi: 2. redirecting stdin/out/err via C didnt work. I couldnt print out anything from script/padre :(
07:21 Sno|Laptop azawawi: I have some experience with redirecting stdin/err/out - may I help you?
07:22 azawawi Sno|Laptop: via C or perl ? :)
07:23 Sno|Laptop both
07:23 Sno|Laptop not on win32, but on unix
07:23 azawawi Sno|Laptop: ok i used the following link http://www.halcyon.com/~ast/dload/guicon.htm
07:23 azawawi win32 is strange regarding consoles...
07:24 Sno|Laptop that's conceptional ;)
07:24 Sno|Laptop but what's the problem? open text console window?
07:25 azawawi Sno|Laptop: no the problem is the following:
07:25 azawawi Sno|Laptop: when you have a win32 gui application, you have no attached console
07:25 azawawi Sno|Laptop: thus no STDOUT/ERR
07:25 Sno|Laptop ok, the problem is you _must_ emulate it
07:25 azawawi Sno|Laptop: you can ofcourse AllocConsole()... but that means that it is shown on startup
07:25 azawawi Sno|Laptop: aha...
07:26 azawawi Sno|Laptop: we can do it via perl easily in script/padre
07:26 azawawi Sno|Laptop: but i wanted to know why it wasnt working on C/perlembed stuff...
07:26 azawawi Sno|Laptop: even though i was able to redirect stuff and print out in the C part but not in the perl padre part...
07:27 azawawi Sno|Laptop: does that explain it or not? :)
07:27 Sno|Laptop could have sth. to do how file handles are handled in perl
07:28 azawawi they should use stdout/stderr which the win32 C launcher have redirected...
07:28 azawawi but that doesnt happen
07:29 azawawi so RedirectIOToConsole() in that article works but only for C not the embedded perl...
07:30 Sno|Laptop that sounds strange - when I had to debug I would at first assume, that not the real file handles are duped
07:30 azawawi my idea was to create a hidden DOOM-style console that we could use :)
07:31 azawawi btw, wperl.exe is a terrible hack in perl
07:32 azawawi they simply flip perl.exe PE header from console to detached...
07:34 Sno|Laptop maybe you should redirect in perl using open( STDOUT, "&>", getAllocatedConsoleHandle() )
07:34 Sno|Laptop so allocate new console from C and redirect from perl
07:36 Sewi azawawi: Dump question: what about opening them at padre.pl?
07:36 azawawi it works np...
07:37 azawawi but we have to redirect to a file/temp/null...
07:37 * Sewi is something sleepy, Zoe went to bed at 1:30am and got up at 5:30am due to installation of that "last missing tooth" module :-)
07:37 azawawi so maybe logging to a logs/... in padre_home ?
07:37 Sewi Redirect them to the windows error log.
07:38 Sno|Laptop azawawi: is that console handle not a file? (sorry, I don't coded for win32 for a long time)
07:39 Sewi http://search.cpan.org/~jdb/Wi​n32-EventLog-0.076/EventLog.pm
07:39 Sewi Better this one: http://search.cpan.org/search?qu​ery=win32::eventlog&mode=all
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07:40 azawawi im thinking of keeping it simple and putting only a logs/output.log and logs/error.log in padre_home
07:41 Sewi Keep it simple - do it the windows way :-)
07:41 Sno|Laptop Office & (back in 20 minutes)
07:41 Sewi Writing logfiles is unix way :-)
07:41 azawawi Sewi: sure but only for errors... i think
07:42 azawawi Sewi: so STDOUT to some temp file/null... and STDERR to windows event log...
07:42 Sewi yes
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07:55 azawawi Sewi: i like using Win32::EventLog (since seems to be pre-installed on strawberry)
07:56 azawawi Sewi: my only problem with it is trying on UAC-enabled OS vista/win7
07:56 azawawi Sewi: will try it tonight
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08:00 azawawi Sewi: and you need to play with registry to create a proper event log... (the messagefile)... damn! :)
08:01 azawawi Sewi: you'll be able to write to the event log (i already did it) but. you'll get "The description for Event ID ( 100 ) in Source ( Padre (sample) ) cannot be found. " since there are no source message text...
08:01 azawawi s/there are/there is/
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08:02 Sno|Laptop back
08:03 azawawi lol, on my xp machine, i found that even mysql and a couple of applications are not even logging in the correct manner that they should :)
08:04 Sno|Laptop azawawi: did you find a solution for your redirect problem?
08:05 azawawi Sno|Laptop: from perl, yes.. from C no...
08:05 Sno|Laptop I would even suggest doing it from perl - or from C using perlio-API
08:06 azawawi Sewi: you need to specify message file in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentCont​rolSet\Services\EventLog\Application\​YourApplicationName\EventMessageFile
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08:07 Sno|Laptop but when you're on fixing for 0.59: there're build issues when using make -j<n> (n = number of cpus)
08:07 Sno|Laptop see http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/misc​/joerg/20100320.1637/meta/report.html
08:07 Sno|Laptop I workarounded the issue for padre itself by disabling -j switch for make, but the Plugins shows the same behaviour
08:08 azawawi can you report that in a ticket?
08:08 azawawi or is it already reported?
08:09 Sno|Laptop I can report a ticket
08:09 azawawi cool
08:09 Sno|Laptop ^^
08:10 Sno|Laptop tickets can be silently ignored ;)
08:10 azawawi hehe :)
08:17 Sewi azawawi: Could we reuse any existing windows-default entry of that registry key?
08:19 azawawi Sewi: it aint working under UAC-enabled vista/win7
08:19 azawawi Sewi: --desktop i.e
08:20 azawawi Sewi: you need to run a separate elevated privilege perl.exe process to do that...
08:27 Hyppolit #906: Padre installation fails (and all plugins using Locale::Msgfmt) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/906 ]
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08:30 Hyppolit svn: r11191 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11191
08:30 Hyppolit Redirect stdout/err to the null device (available since Windows NT). This will prevent Module Tools from crashing Padre.
08:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
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08:35 Hyppolit svn: r11192 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11192
08:35 Hyppolit Updated Changes
08:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:36 Hyppolit svn: r11193 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11193
08:36 Hyppolit Perl tidy (only 2 files that i committed earlier)
08:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/ trunk/Padre/t/
08:38 azawawi Sewi: btw, while installing a fresh ubuntu 9.10, i found that i needed to install File::pushd for Padre tests
08:41 Sewi add it to the makefile?
08:41 azawawi yeah adding...
08:42 Hyppolit svn: r11194 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11194
08:42 Hyppolit Added missing File::pushd Padre dependency
08:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:43 azawawi Sno|Laptop: what was your workaround for Padre?
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08:46 mo hi, im trying to install the padre php plugin, and i get an error: "pip is unexpectedly not installed"
08:46 mo any ideas?
08:47 azawawi sudo cpan pip or cpan pip
08:47 * azawawi &
08:53 mo hmm
08:54 mo if i try to load the plugin for now, the editor closes and the console output is "Killed"
08:54 Hyppolit svn: r11195 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11195
08:54 Hyppolit small test
08:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PHP/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PHP/t/
08:56 chorny mo: do you have latest Padre?
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09:46 Hyppolit svn: r11196 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11196
09:46 Hyppolit gettext-ified two messages in the Devel plugin; added ellipsis to menu item 'Dump Expression'
09:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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10:09 zenog hi holli
10:10 holli hi.
10:10 Hyppolit svn: r11197 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11197
10:10 Hyppolit gettext-ified all messages in Preferences dialog; removed ? from checkbox labels
10:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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10:16 Hyppolit svn: r11198 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11198
10:16 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Updated Changes
10:16 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/
10:17 Hyppolit svn: r11199 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11199
10:17 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Bundled r30194 STD.pm (lwall++)
10:17 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/
10:18 Hyppolit svn: r11200 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11200
10:18 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Bumped version to 0.80
10:18 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/Syntax/Highlight/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/script/
10:22 Hyppolit svn: r11201 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11201
10:22 Hyppolit updated German translation
10:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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10:23 waxhead evening all
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10:26 Alias_ FYI
10:26 Alias_ pip http://svn.ali.as/cpan/releas​es/ORLite-Migrate-1.07.tar.gz
10:26 waxhead who?
10:26 Hyppolit who is szabgab?
10:26 waxhead who's to pip?
10:26 Alias_ oh wait
10:26 Alias_ We're still using a fork
10:26 Alias_ Never mind
10:27 waxhead Alias_, back from the govt hacking?
10:27 Alias_ yup
10:27 waxhead see the Perl 6 issue azawawi had has been sorted out
10:27 waxhead didn't you win it?
10:28 Hyppolit svn: r11202 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11202
10:28 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] More POD/comment fixes... and Changes update
10:28 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/script/
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10:29 azawawi hello
10:29 waxhead hey azawawi
10:29 azawawi waxhead: yes it is sorted out :)
10:29 waxhead good to see you fixed the perl 6 proboblem
10:29 * azawawi backlogs :)
10:29 azawawi thx
10:29 waxhead got to love em.... I read it at work...
10:30 waxhead keeps me abreast of what's going on.. frustrating when I can't answer a question though
10:30 azawawi moritz++ # for http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today
10:30 waxhead indeed!
10:30 waxhead looking at hte changes file we really have quite a few...
10:30 waxhead I wonder how soon we'll see Steffen back to help with the treading issue
10:31 azawawi i uploaded a newer version of S:H:P6 and P:P:P6 for the updated Perl 6 support...
10:31 azawawi nothing major... but this will bring back Perl 6 support to Padre 0.57+
10:32 * azawawi phone &
10:37 Sno|Laptop azawawi: regarding your workaround question see http://mail-index.netbsd.org/pkgsrc​-changes/2010/02/04/msg036350.html
10:45 Alias_ azawawi, I just installed trunk, and Advanced Settings is dead
10:45 Alias_ The dialog shows, but with zero rows
10:45 * Alias_ & # food
10:48 azawawi Alias_: really?
10:48 azawawi :)
10:49 azawawi it works here
10:49 azawawi and i --reset-ed my trunk installation
10:50 azawawi ah, in padre.exe
10:50 * azawawi investigates...
10:52 Sno|Laptop azawawi: I'm a package maintainer and our packaging system allows to turn off parallel building
11:01 azawawi Sno|Laptop: I see
11:02 azawawi Sno|Laptop: so how can i help you? :)
11:02 waxhead the advanced dialog needs to be wider...
11:02 Sno|Laptop fix the build issue ;)
11:02 * waxhead wonders if it's safe to hard set such sizes...
11:04 azawawi Sno|Laptop: which one exactly?
11:04 Sno|Laptop do you need sleep?
11:04 azawawi yeah i think so :)
11:05 * azawawi takes a look at the report
11:05 waxhead you know what we need now?
11:05 Sno|Laptop I opened a new issue this morning and you've asked back for the workaround ...
11:05 waxhead context sensitive help
11:05 azawawi http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/misc/joerg/20100​320.1637/p5-Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy-0.10/build.log, right?
11:05 Sno|Laptop for example
11:06 waxhead in the advanced dialog, why are some lines with bold text?
11:06 azawawi waxhead: it means that they have been overriden...
11:07 waxhead cool... hence the need for a help button on the dialog that explains that.. :)
11:07 azawawi Sno|Laptop: so to simulate it on my system, i need to mingw32-make -j 2 for instance, right?
11:07 Alias_ azawawi: Still failing for me
11:08 azawawi Alias_: it seems related to my earlier fix in script/padre
11:08 Sno|Laptop azawawi: I think so
11:08 Alias_ Does work on dev.pl
11:08 Alias_ Just doesn't work on padre.exe
11:08 azawawi Alias_: something to do with if ( $^O eq 'MSWin32' and $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/ ) { ... }
11:08 azawawi Alias_: very strange
11:08 Sno|Laptop but it may be that it won't happen on windows because of expensive fork(2) or if you have not enough cores for real parallism
11:09 Alias_ You are doing something with $^X manually?
11:09 Alias_ That's generally not a good idea
11:09 azawawi Alias_: i see
11:09 Alias_ There's a reason we've had hell getting Padre::Perl working
11:10 Alias_ What's the purpose of the code?
11:10 Alias_ What are you trying to avoid?
11:11 azawawi Alias_: Do you remember the Module Tools failing under padre.exe (wperl.exe) because of the closed handles?
11:11 Alias_ Vaguely
11:11 Alias_ Same reason that we had problems with ORLite::Migrate yes?
11:11 azawawi Alias_: yeah
11:11 Alias_ Can't we fix the underlying problem?
11:12 azawawi Alias_: It fixes it but somehow, it fails with the ORLite::Migrate...
11:13 azawawi Alias_: The thing that i do not understand, is why a simple if ( $^O eq 'MSWin32' and $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/ ) { } make it fail.
11:13 Sno|Laptop azawawi: the other 3 (Padre crashing with perl core dump) I have to report (I think) against wxPerl and mst (already did, but he didn't really care)
11:13 Sno|Laptop I think, Alias should remove auto_install from M:I
11:13 Alias_ I'd guess it's because you think of wperl.exe vs perl.exe
11:13 Alias_ Sno|Laptop, I already have
11:14 Alias_ Sno|Laptop, It broke every Catalyst website in the world
11:14 Alias_ So it had to go back in
11:14 Alias_ I was rather depressed
11:14 azawawi Alias_: padre.exe already patches wperl.exe in argv so that should work...
11:15 Alias_ Where's this change?
11:15 Alias_ And more to the point, why on earth would it specifically break the advanced dialog
11:15 Hyppolit svn: r11203 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11203
11:15 Hyppolit Window was too skinny.  Set Dialog size to 800*600
11:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:15 azawawi Alias_: i think it breaks ORLite (database support)... try open resource, quick menu access....
11:16 Alias_ waxhead: Why not let it auto-size based on content?
11:16 waxhead Alias_, good question...
11:16 waxhead I can't see how to do that...
11:16 waxhead I just fiddled with the values already set...
11:16 waxhead I'd liked to have done the autosize, but can't see how you do it... yet... still googling and clicking
11:16 Alias_ Quick menu access still works
11:17 Sno|Laptop Alias: I know :( (but already dreaming ...)
11:17 Sno|Laptop maybe I should create an appropriate patch - I can commit it after review
11:18 Alias_ Don't bother
11:18 Alias_ It's staying, for now
11:20 azawawi Alias_: any idea how a  $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/ in script/padre would kill padre database support?
11:21 Alias_ What gets me is that the advanced dialog doesn't even show the yaml entries
11:22 waxhead has anyone seen Steffen around lately?  any idea when he might be back?
11:22 Alias_ He's vaguely around
11:30 waxhead yeah, I saw he said that eh would be busy for a while.. it would be nice to have him back to see if he could look into these threading issues...
11:30 waxhead or do you think now you've hacked the govt enough you're up for learning more than you ever wanted to know about threading?
11:30 waxhead :)
11:34 azawawi Alias_: so playing with $^X is evil?
11:39 Alias_ I dunno about playing with it, but expecting it to be any particular value can be iffy
11:42 Alias_ hmm
11:42 Alias_ So I've added "and 0" to that startup script stuff
11:42 Alias_ So that clause should never fire
11:43 Alias_ And now it still doesn't work
11:43 azawawi see?
11:43 azawawi very strange
11:43 azawawi just remove $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/
11:43 azawawi and it works
11:44 Alias_ curious, let me move the and 0 so it fires before the =~
11:45 Alias_ holy shit
11:46 Alias_ if ( $^O eq 'MSWin32' and 0 and $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/ ) {
11:46 Alias_ That works
11:46 Alias_ if ( $^O eq 'MSWin32' and $^X =~ /wperl\.exe/ and 0 ) {
11:46 Alias_ That doesn't
11:46 Alias_ Apparently even LOOKING at $^X can cause trouble
11:46 azawawi i feel that the value of $^X is being changed after match...
11:47 waxhead what is $^X?
11:47 azawawi executable name
11:47 Alias_ The location of the current Perl executable
11:48 Alias_ azawawi, I have put it to #p5p
11:48 azawawi cool
11:48 azawawi same when doing wperl C:\strawberry\perl\bin\padre
11:53 azawawi very strange indeed
11:54 azawawi Sno|Laptop: so this issue is replicated on linux or not?
11:54 Sno|Laptop pardon
11:54 azawawi Sno|Laptop: or is it netbsd-specific
11:54 Sno|Laptop what issue?
11:54 azawawi Sno|Laptop: the make -j issue
11:54 Sno|Laptop it's common for all unixes
11:55 azawawi Sno|Laptop: cool, trying it on an ubuntu vm then
11:55 Sno|Laptop as I said, maybe you need at least 2 real cpus to reproduce
11:55 azawawi ouch... dont have...
11:56 azawawi hmmm... oh wait maybe vmware can simulate it... testing
11:56 Sno|Laptop 1 CPU with 2 Cores is even enough
11:56 Sno|Laptop but I'm not sure whether vmware simulation of 2 cpus will fit
11:56 Sno|Laptop it can (I know from mac)
11:56 azawawi duo here... so it should do that
11:57 Sno|Laptop can you reproduce on win32?
11:57 azawawi dmake
11:58 azawawi -j doesnt work and it doesnt seem to support it
11:58 Sno|Laptop *gg*
12:03 azawawi Bareword "is_padre_plugin" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at Makefile.PL line 18.
12:03 Sno|Laptop looks like the error came from two config sections in Makefile which are not ok to be executed parallel
12:04 azawawi perl Makefile.PL doesnt even work for me :)
12:04 azawawi on ubunut
12:04 azawawi ubuntu...
12:06 Sno|Laptop Padreso let's remove linux from the list of supported OS \o/
12:06 Sno|Laptop do you have Module::Install::PadrePlugin installed?
12:07 azawawi nop
12:07 Sno|Laptop that may help ;)
12:07 * azawawi installs it
12:07 azawawi :)
12:08 azawawi and needed to install Module::Install::ExtraTests
12:09 azawawi perl Makefile.PL && make -j 2 ?
12:12 Sno|Laptop I've found out, where it fails (I think Alias is guilty ^^): Module::Install::Share and Module::Install::Msgfmt don't work properly together
12:13 Sno|Laptop it creates 2 'config ::' sections in the resulting Makefile - and both will be executed parallel (which is ok in definition)
12:13 Sno|Laptop <@azawawi> perl Makefile.PL && make -j 2 ? <-- yes
12:15 Alias_ azawawi: Stringification doesn't cause the problem, only regex matching
12:16 waxhead Alias_, when do you get your phone?
12:17 Alias_ waxhead: Dunno :(
12:18 waxhead are they even available in australia?  I was thinking about getting an N900, but they don't work on the telstra 3g network because telstra use the 850 mhz frequency
12:19 azawawi Sno|Laptop: works on PerlTidy plugin
12:19 azawawi Sno|Laptop: nothing is croaking here...
12:19 Sno|Laptop azawawi: as I said, 2 virtual cpu's is not the same ...
12:20 azawawi yeah at least i tried :)
12:23 Alias_ azawawi, it's working and failing randomly
12:23 azawawi Alias_: strange...
12:25 Hyppolit #906: Padre installation fails (and all plugins using Locale::Msgfmt) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/906#comment:1 ]
12:26 Sno|Laptop Alias: I think you should take a look to #906
12:26 Hyppolit #906: Padre installation fails (and all plugins using Locale::Msgfmt) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/906#comment:1 ]
12:27 Alias_ Sno|Laptop, I don't think I should :)
12:30 Alias_ azawawi, I can't stay
12:31 Alias_ azawawi, But for the record I'd rather have preferences working that the module tools
12:31 Alias_ s/that/than/
12:33 azawawi Alias_: sure... fixing
12:34 azawawi Alias_: what's the differance between padre-client and padre in script directory?
12:35 azawawi Alias_: any response from p5p?
12:40 azawawi $^X . '' =~ /wperl\.exe/ works
12:40 azawawi context?
12:46 Hyppolit svn: r11204 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11204
12:46 Hyppolit Fixed strange context string matching issue with $^X (EXECUTABLE_NAME) causing various database queries to fail under wperl.exe and padre.exe
12:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
12:49 azawawi Alias: if it still fails, please comment it for later
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14:20 Hyppolit svn: r11205 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11205
14:20 Hyppolit Delayed IO redirection under wperl so that it does not collide with the --version option
14:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
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16:49 Sno|Laptop Sewi: https://www.xing.com/net/pribb6015x/perl/erfo​lge-mit-perl-5866/perl-application-developmen​t-and-refactoring-environment-padre-29002942/ - you said you like Padre commercials ;)
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18:17 Getty what i cant install CPAN via local::lib? did i missed something?
18:17 Getty oh i should also use local::lib so that it could work...
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18:56 LeK hi
18:57 chorny hi
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19:58 Sewi Sno: It's the other way around: There are still some few modules which are not done or maintianed by adam :-))
20:00 Getty Adam - the chuck norris of perl
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20:07 Sewi Getty: Das ist jetzt eine Beleidigung :-)
20:09 Getty Sewi: why?? chuck norris owns
20:09 Getty Sewi: chuck norris can divide by zero
20:10 Getty http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ - always classic :)
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21:08 LeK does somebody there can tell me how syntax check is made by padre? I have a strange "line: 0 Warning" in padre syntax check report
21:09 Steffen LeK: Essentially "perl -I@stuff -c yourfile"
21:09 LeK let me check, I tried with perl -c
21:10 LeK i've read wrongly what you said
21:10 LeK that what I checked... and the report isn't what perl -c reports
21:13 shadowpaste "LeK" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "strange syntax check report" (10 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/41325
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22:15 Sewi LeK: Current version?
22:16 Sewi Sometimes line 0 warnings are problems with other files (required/used)
22:16 Sewi must be used as require shouldn't be processed on -c
22:17 LeK sewi...
22:18 LeK sewi, how should I check syntax as padre does?
22:19 LeK I think I've been bad with padre >:->
22:19 LeK I have a Model.pm with different classes inside
22:20 LeK and this Model.pm is used in the module reporting line 0 warning, and there is circular dependancy between Model.pm and ZOINNetwork.pm
22:26 LeK It doesn't matter I think my structure is very weird (using moosex::declare, several class in a module... perl -c module.pm  reports errors, but script doesn't fail... )
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