Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-03-29

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02:39 Hyppolit svn: r11208 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11208
02:39 Hyppolit Experimental branch for rewriting the Task subsystem in a cleaner and more structure way
02:39 Hyppolit branches/
04:12 szabgab gm
04:14 szabgab sjn, nope, but explorer, the owner of that node on Perlmonks have stopped responding a while back
04:14 szabgab Last update:  2008-12-04 00:06 UTC
04:21 Hyppolit svn: r11209 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11209
04:21 Hyppolit complain and show usage() if developer gives invalid option to dev.pl (e.g. passing padre related option to it without --)
04:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
04:25 Hyppolit #909: command line option to list all existing sessions (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/909 ]
04:31 szabgab crap, Alt-W jumping to specific file does not always work
05:07 szabgab I wonder if the Insert Special values code works as expected
05:33 Hyppolit svn: r11210 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11210
05:33 Hyppolit fix the SpecialValue code that was "stuck" on the data of the first usage, fix badcode test failure that was caused by the same isssue
05:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
05:35 Hyppolit svn: r11211 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11211
05:35 Hyppolit fix copyright in two files
05:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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05:37 szabgab Alias__, ping
05:37 szabgab any windows users around ?
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05:45 Alias__ yo
05:45 Alias__ Not much around, but intermittantly
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06:13 szabgab Alias__, can you please take a look at script/padre
06:13 szabgab line 133
06:13 szabgab perl critic complains about bareword filehandler
06:14 szabgab would replacing it with $OUTPUT and \$OUTPUT work?
06:15 szabgab or just $OUTPUT in the fdopen call?
06:19 Hyppolit svn: r11212 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11212
06:19 Hyppolit perl tidy
06:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Wx/Perl/
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06:28 azawawi good morning
06:30 azawawi szabgab: ping
06:30 szabgab hi azawawi
06:31 szabgab how is everything over there?
06:31 azawawi szabgab: how r u?
06:31 azawawi szabgab: great, u?
06:31 szabgab I am fine
06:31 szabgab mostly finished working at client
06:31 szabgab now I might have some time to work on a bit more interesting things
06:32 szabgab could you pls check the fix I proposed for script/padre ?
06:32 azawawi re "perl critic complains about bareword filehandler" in script/padre, that was my change to re-open STDOUT/ERR under win32 gui mode
06:32 szabgab yes :-)
06:32 azawawi sure
06:32 szabgab I am trying to clean up all the tests now
06:33 azawawi 137, Error, Variable "$OUTPUT" is not imported
06:34 szabgab sure it should be  my $OUTPUT
06:34 szabgab open my $OUTPUT ....
06:34 * azawawi tests it
06:36 Hyppolit svn: r11213 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11213
06:36 Hyppolit make the crash test to be a TODO test
06:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
06:37 azawawi http://search.cpan.org/~elliotjs/Perl-C​ritic-1.105/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/Inpu​tOutput/ProhibitBarewordFileHandles.pm
06:37 Hyppolit svn: r11214 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11214
06:37 Hyppolit tidy the xt/ files as well
06:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/xt/ trunk/tools/
06:37 azawawi three exceptions: STDOUT/IN/ERR
06:38 szabgab azawawi, yes I understand why critic complains
06:38 szabgab I just wonder if the fdopen call can use lexical filehandlers defined as   my $OUTPUT
06:38 szabgab on linux that code is not executed at all
06:39 szabgab and I was too lazy to start up the windows vbox
06:39 azawawi oh i found the problem :)
06:39 azawawi cpd error :)
06:39 azawawi copy-n-paste lol
06:42 szabgab interesting, xt/meta.t and xt/pmv.t also fail even though I think I am 'just' missing a module
06:43 szabgab will check soon
06:46 azawawi szabgab: one question,
06:46 azawawi szabgab: is it safer to simply do it as: open STDOUT, '>', 'NUL' or die $!;
06:46 azawawi szabgab: /
06:46 azawawi szabgab: ?
06:47 azawawi szabgab: given that they're already "closed"
06:48 szabgab azawawi, I am not really sure
06:48 szabgab maybe Alias__ knows it
06:48 azawawi i just used one of the perlmonks links :)
06:49 * azawawi tests it
06:49 azawawi it is already going to the \device\nul in winnt+
06:50 azawawi ideally i would say we should redirect all output/errors to two log files on all operating systems
06:50 azawawi easier for debugging/troubleshooting problems
06:50 szabgab hmm, I was about to suggest to ask the person who added this code, but then I checked who added it :-)
06:51 szabgab I agree aboit redirecting to a log file
06:54 szabgab I have to go now, back later
06:55 azawawi cya
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07:13 waxhead evening all
07:32 Sewi hi
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08:19 waxhead hey sewi
08:30 Sewi Hi wax
08:32 waxhead szabgab++ for fixing SpecialVariable dialog
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10:08 zenog hi all.
10:10 Sewi Hi zenog
10:26 waxhead still getting some fails with RELEASE_TESTING, but they are critic errors... is it ok to ##no critic the lines?
10:27 zenog I get some in t/14-warnings.t
10:29 szabgab I am back for a while trying to fix the left over test failure
10:29 szabgab zenog, what os ? I don't see those test failures
10:29 szabgab waxhead, what is the plan regarding release ?
10:30 waxhead szabgab, see the last blog?
10:30 waxhead zenog, done an update lately?
10:30 waxhead that one was fixed I think..
10:30 waxhead the only fails I'm seeing currently are the critic ones
10:31 szabgab wallmari, the last one on http://padre.perlide.org/about.html is about 0.58
10:31 szabgab sorry I meant waxhead
10:32 waxhead blogs.padre.perl.ide
10:32 waxhead sigh... the blogs page...
10:34 szabgab waxhead, please add it to the about pages as well
10:34 waxhead http://perlwannabe.vox.com/librar​y/post/when-will-we-see-059.html
10:34 waxhead ok..
10:34 waxhead did it you read it?
10:35 waxhead I'm happy to do a release, but we still have the matter of Padre not exiting cleanly or throwing errors that may put people off if it's tagged as a stable release
10:36 waxhead but the concern is one more stable release... ????  :(
10:36 waxhead that should be unstable
10:37 szabgab I am really worried about the fact that we could not release a stable-ish version for more than 6 weeks now
10:38 waxhead yep..
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10:38 Sewi yes
10:38 waxhead but the matter comes down to we need our threading gurus back to thrash out the issues
10:39 waxhead Alias__  has had a poke or two at it but admits threading isn't this strong point... he's still learning...
10:40 szabgab I hardly used Padre dev in the recent weeks, I was using 0.58 at a client
10:40 szabgab it was quite ok though
10:40 waxhead szabgab, that's right.. Padre isn't "kill your code" unstable.. just not as good as it has been..
10:40 waxhead if you run current trunk it's quite fine
10:40 szabgab I'll try to use the trunk now for some coding and see what is broken
10:41 waxhead szabgab, threading at the end mostly... do don't always get a clean exit
10:43 Sewi waxhead: we had this kind of exit message for month, afair, if this is the only thing left, I'd call it stable.
10:44 waxhead well, I'd also like to get RELEASE_TESTING=1 passing too.
10:45 waxhead just a couple more critic errors to sort out
10:46 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Critic failures on RELEASE_TESTING=1" (17 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/41473
10:52 szabgab waxhead, I'll fix those though I'll need a windows user to help me
10:52 szabgab azawawi was around a few hours ago
10:52 waxhead szabgab, what for?
10:52 szabgab becuse one of the critic failures is a windows specific code
10:53 waxhead I can do stuff on the other windows box - haven't built a windows vm yet
10:54 waxhead want me to svn update and try current trunk?
10:55 szabgab yes please and see the proposed fix in the backlog
10:55 szabgab I need to to have lunch now, back soon
10:56 zenog waxhead: Done an update 1 hour ago, I run Ubuntu.
10:57 waxhead zenog, same, no error here...
10:58 daxim I found https://openhatch.org/ in an answer on stackoverflow today
10:58 daxim register padre there for marketing
10:59 Sewi There is a new Padre group on Xing open for everyone
10:59 zenog hm
11:00 zenog waxhead: maybe we have different module versions?
11:00 waxhead maybe..
11:01 waxhead any error when you perl Makefile.PL ?
11:01 zenog waxhead: nope
11:01 waxhead what's the error?
11:04 shadowpaste "zenog" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "failed tests in t/14-warnings.t" (75 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/41474
11:06 * Sewi is just running make test after svn up && make clean ; perl Makefile.PL and got no warnings
11:12 waxhead great.. the windows box is very out of date
11:12 zenog I still get those messages.
11:12 waxhead going to take a while to get back up to speed
11:13 zenog tried several times - also with LANG=C
11:13 waxhead zenog, what environment variables do you have set for testing?
11:13 waxhead check if RELEASE_TESTING or AUTOMATED_TESTING is set
11:13 waxhead it does a lot more testing that finds errors
11:14 zenog Both are set.
11:15 Sewi RELEASE_ should include all AUTO... tests?
11:16 waxhead zenog, unset them.. :)
11:17 waxhead zenog, unless you are a real testing pedant it's only worth the testing when we release and when smoke testing
11:17 waxhead and some of the tests are false positives..
11:18 zenog waxhead: Yeah, they look like false positives ...
11:20 waxhead yeah for just running tests after svn update it's not worth the pain
11:20 waxhead szabgab, have you applied the change?
11:21 waxhead I've updated the windows box here.. make test runs fine, about to set RELEASE-TESTING
11:21 szabgab waxhead, what change?
11:21 waxhead the one in the back log for the windows fail?
11:21 waxhead or didn't I read that right?
11:22 szabgab daxim,  I have an account on openhatch but have not figured it out yet how that works
11:22 szabgab added to my TODO list
11:22 daxim good
11:22 szabgab no I have not made the change
11:22 zenog Another thing: I have improved the speed of the word count and non-whitespace character count by another factor of 2-6 (depending on the file).
11:22 waxhead szabgab, I'm about to head off to bed.. tired... happy to try whatever you want before I do...
11:22 szabgab I talked to azawawi about it
11:23 szabgab waxhead, forget it, go and a have a good sleep
11:23 zenog Takes now about 0.07s to compute those statistics on a 500kB file (at least on my computer).
11:23 szabgab we might have a release for you tomorrow :-)
11:23 waxhead szabgab, i don't get good a nights sleep...
11:23 waxhead release tomorrow ?
11:23 szabgab zenog, feel free to raise the limit then
11:23 zenog szabgab: Okay, cool.
11:23 szabgab waxhead, that's the aim
11:24 waxhead szabgab, are you not seeing the DBI errors?
11:24 zenog szabgab: Could we consider removing the limit? There is the still the generic limit.
11:24 waxhead not too worried around them?
11:24 waxhead /around/about/
11:24 szabgab zenog, just add a comment about considering this,
11:25 waxhead darn, need perl critic for RELEASE_TESTING on the windows box
11:25 szabgab waxhead,  I just use the IRC client and e-mail nowdays, they don't have DBI errors :-)
11:28 waxhead how do we get rid of those Critic warnings about the commas in a statement?
11:29 Sewi wax: did it.
11:29 Sewi Currently running make test to check if it worked...
11:30 waxhead Sewi, cool... I had a look, but had no idea.. :(
11:30 Sewi waxhead: I think it's a critic error (in this case).
11:30 Sewi An error in critic.
11:30 waxhead szabgab, apply the change to trunk, I'll update and test on windows
11:30 shadowpaste "zenog" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "time measurement routine" (15 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/41477
11:31 zenog I have this time measurement routine.
11:31 zenog Is it okay to add this to Padre/Util.pm ?
11:31 Sewi Is it used anywhere?
11:31 waxhead as a snippet?
11:32 zenog Sewi: I use it from to time to time to measure the speed of things like document->stats.
11:32 zenog Sewi: But I do not use it in the code that I am about to commit.
11:32 szabgab Sewi, if you think it is an error in critic, will you submit a bug report to the RT queue of critic?
11:33 szabgab zenog, that looks like code that would belong to the developer plugin
11:33 Sewi Maybe
11:33 zenog szabgab: Ah okay, will see where I can put it there.
11:34 zenog szabgab: Can I put it there w/o offering a menu item?
11:35 szabgab then how would that be used?
11:35 zenog szabgab: It would be used by the programmer from the source code.
11:36 zenog e.g. measure_time ( sub { $my_words++ while ( $text =~ /\s+/g ); } );
11:36 zenog Inside the code, where you want to measure something.
11:36 szabgab hmm, add some docs and an example with it
11:36 zenog I don't see a way of plugging it in dynamically.
11:36 zenog Okay.
11:45 Hyppolit svn: r11215 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11215
11:45 Hyppolit Fix one critic complain
11:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
11:46 Sewi zenog: What about adding a debugger option to display the time since the last break?
11:46 Sewi debugged program run time
11:47 zenog Sewi: That is actually a good idea that I never explored because I live in the Stone Age, at least when it comes to tool-supported debugging in Perl ;-)
11:48 Sewi Remote-debugging a script running in mod_perl would be really really great, but I don't know if this is possible at all.
11:49 Hyppolit svn: r11216 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11216
11:49 Hyppolit Add a critic fix idea (even if critic ignores it atm)
11:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
11:50 szabgab I see Sewi is taking the pragmatic way of solving ctitic failures :-)
11:50 szabgab Sewi, I don't think tinkering with the debugger would be a good idea :-)
11:52 szabgab and running a script while the debugger is on is a lot slower than without the debugger anyway so it is probably not indicative to the actual speed of the code
11:54 zenog I modified the stats() sub in Padre/Document.pm - is  t/70-document.t the right place to put some tests?
11:55 szabgab add them there in a block
11:55 Hyppolit svn: r11217 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11217
11:55 Hyppolit improved word/non-whitespace character count speed by a factor of 2 to 5. Word count now returns the same value as the Unix wc command line tool.
11:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:55 Sewi Sure, szab
11:56 zenog Can someone check whether I have overlooked something/introduced a stupid bug?
11:58 waxhead ha.. ## no critic...
11:58 szabgab zenog, seems ok to me
12:00 zenog I am off to lunch - see you later guys.
12:00 waxhead cya
12:00 szabgab interesting the smoke machine also complains about t/14-warnings.t
12:02 waxhead szabgab, likely AUTOMATED_TESTING
12:02 waxhead there was a ticket for it, I thought it was fixed
12:02 waxhead RELEASE_TESTING doesn't trigger it
12:03 szabgab you are right
12:03 szabgab I ran the test without the AUTOMATED_TESTING and it passed just fine
12:04 szabgab Sewi, I am not sure, I still get the critic errors
12:04 szabgab I think I fix it in a less secure way :-)
12:06 waxhead szabgab, #846
12:06 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" under AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/846#comment:10 ]
12:06 waxhead yeah, I'm still getting the critic errors too...
12:06 waxhead that's what I tried though ## no critic..
12:06 waxhead then it complains about it being there.. :)
12:06 waxhead so I reverted
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12:12 azawawi waxhead: ping
12:15 azawawi ping
12:15 waxhead pong....
12:15 waxhead sort of...
12:15 azawawi waxhead: sorry for not being online... i was in a long meeting...
12:16 Hyppolit svn: r11218 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11218
12:16 Hyppolit eliminate some critic errors possibly breaking Padre on windows as a result
12:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/ trunk/Padre/xt/
12:16 szabgab azawawi, svn up and try this change
12:16 waxhead azawawi, that's OK by me.. it was szabgab that wanted you.. :)
12:17 azawawi szabgab: im going to revert the script/padre change that i have made
12:17 azawawi szabgab: after testing on my work xp machine, install cpan module doesnt work...
12:17 Hyppolit svn: r11219 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11219
12:17 Hyppolit more gitignore
12:17 Hyppolit trunk/
12:17 azawawi szabgab: i need to investigate further... so we either comment it or remove it
12:17 szabgab your call
12:18 szabgab but then you can comment out my recent change to the critic.ini as well
12:18 azawawi szabgab: removing it until i fix it :)
12:18 szabgab or remove
12:18 szabgab :-)
12:18 azawawi szabgab: Alias will be pissed  off if he sees commented code in script/padre :)
12:22 Hyppolit svn: r11220 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11220
12:22 Hyppolit reduce the requirements of Perl::Staff
12:22 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Staff/
12:22 Hyppolit svn: r11221 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11221
12:22 Hyppolit Removed wperl.exe failed attempt at fixing module tools since some external tools expect $^X to have proper output/error streams.
12:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
12:23 szabgab Sewi, could you please release a new version of Perl::Staff?
12:23 Sewi szabgab: ok if it's within the next 24 hours?
12:23 szabgab the faster the better ;-
12:23 Hyppolit svn: r11222 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11222
12:23 Hyppolit Removed previous change from Changes file. Sorry for any inconvenience :)
12:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
12:23 szabgab :-)
12:24 szabgab azawawi is ramping up his karma
12:24 azawawi azawawi--
12:24 azawawi azawawi--
12:24 azawawi :)
12:24 szabgab azawawi += 2;
12:25 szabgab azawawi *= 2;
12:25 waxhead cool.. think I have my POE problem solved now too...
12:25 * waxhead yawns
12:25 szabgab azawawi **= 2;
12:25 waxhead so release tomorrow night... ?
12:25 waxhead are we calling it stable?
12:26 azawawi waxhead: good question :)
12:26 waxhead I think leave it for a couple more days... see we if see Alias and Steffen in the channel but certainly leave it for a couple more days for testing fixes going on
12:26 * azawawi runs the test suite
12:26 waxhead azawawi, yeah it is... one no one answered when I asked it in my blog about a 0.59 release.. :)
12:26 azawawi RELEASE_TESTING=1 right?
12:26 szabgab let's try to fix the automated_test bug as well
12:26 waxhead yes, set or export depending on your shell
12:27 azawawi waxhead: btw, your blog seems not to be connected to blogs.perl.org or perlsphere...
12:27 waxhead #846
12:27 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" under AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/846#comment:10 ]
12:27 azawawi waxhead: since i didnt receive its feed
12:27 waxhead azawawi, it isn't I'd say
12:27 waxhead I'm thinking about moving to blogs.perl.org
12:27 waxhead since it's a perl blog
12:27 azawawi waxhead:  i only read it through this channel via backlogging
12:27 waxhead and it's parde
12:28 azawawi makes sense
12:28 waxhead azawawi, oh.. I thought everyone was reading blogs.padre.perlide.org ?
12:28 waxhead I do..
12:28 waxhead :)
12:28 azawawi yeah but the most popular is perlsphere (i think)
12:28 azawawi correct me if im wrong, szabgab
12:28 waxhead OK... well I need to sleep it was an early start this morning... youngest went off to school camp for the night
12:29 szabgab azawawi, no idea
12:29 szabgab I am mostly reading ironman
12:29 szabgab and now blogs.perl.org
12:29 azawawi on xt/crashtest.t i got a message box, the one you get from Wx
12:29 azawawi in debug mode
12:29 azawawi and the test is hung
12:30 waxhead azawawi, on windows?
12:30 azawawi seems to be... no cpu activity
12:30 azawawi yeah, winxp
12:30 waxhead alt-tab there's an exception dialog in the back there
12:30 waxhead windows picks up on the crash
12:30 waxhead it seems
12:30 Sewi crashtest is very far away from being perfext
12:30 waxhead I had to tell it to abort or ignore or something
12:30 azawawi yeah
12:30 azawawi that's an assertion...
12:31 waxhead ignore I think lets it go on with the testing
12:31 * azawawi tries RELEASE_TESTING=1 now
12:31 waxhead right I have to go.. eyes are sore and no battery left...
12:31 azawawi waxhead: good night... oh he went :)
12:31 Sewi There were exit-crashs when opening doing something with Padre (opening some dialogs, working with them, etc.)
12:32 azawawi Sewi: confirmed here also
12:32 Sewi I think it's gone so we might safely remove crashtest.t if it's doing trouble
12:33 szabgab Sewi, the crashtest is still failing!
12:33 szabgab I just move the failing test to be a TODO test
12:33 szabgab so the problem in Padre is not fixed - or the test is buggy :-)
12:34 azawawi szabgab: waiting for the RELEASE_TESTING=1 to finish
12:34 azawawi szabgab: i was testing AUTOMATED_TESTING=1
12:34 szabgab AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 prove -bv t/14-warnings.t
12:34 szabgab that's how I run it
12:35 szabgab but I have to go soon
12:35 Sewi szabgab: Guess the test scenario is not the same as a human test - I got a different error message :-)
12:36 Sewi Probably the test is buggy
12:36 azawawi szabgab: got it again "Unhandled Exception" dialog, "Abort", "Retry" or "Ignore"
12:37 azawawi szabgab: running it again alone, i get the Goto dialog and then the unhandled exception modal dialog on top of it
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12:39 azawawi szabgab: test error log http://pastebin.com/ZrePw5br
12:40 szabgab azawawi, paste that error message too into the test script
12:40 azawawi szabgab: which test script?
12:40 szabgab and maybe someone will understand this at one point :-)
12:40 szabgab xt\crashtest.t
12:40 szabgab the one that generates it
12:40 azawawi szabgab: going to go now... they're calling me for another meeting :)
12:41 azawawi szabgab: i hate meetings... all talk but no work... :)
12:42 szabgab azawawi, do they give cakes at least?
12:43 azawawi szabgab: nop
12:43 azawawi szabgab: :)
12:43 daxim lies!
12:43 Sewi azawawi: Switch them to webcam-conferences - you could click this window to the background and do real work during that time :-)
12:43 azawawi Sewi: nice
12:43 * azawawi &
12:45 Sewi Who did that select-from-one-brace-to-the-other-thing?
12:48 Sewi I'd like to see that also for sub's
13:02 dorkfish so would i
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14:28 Hyppolit svn: r11223 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11223
14:28 Hyppolit improved Goto dialog: substitute ambiguous checkbox w/ questionmark by a radiobox; grow dialog so that German translation fits in; add ellipsis to menu item
14:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
14:29 Hyppolit svn: r11224 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11224
14:29 Hyppolit updated German translation; added Goto improvements to the Changes file
14:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/share/locale/
14:32 Hyppolit svn: r11225 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11225
14:32 Hyppolit perl tidy
14:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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16:16 Hyppolit svn: r11226 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11226
16:16 Hyppolit fixed ticket #894 - search for non-ASCII characters did not work
16:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
16:17 zenog Can someone check whether searching for non-ASCII characters also works on their computer?
16:17 zenog It works for me now.
16:18 Hyppolit #894: Search for special (non-ascii) characters is strange (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/894#comment:1 ]
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17:43 zenog hi eco
17:45 eco ehlo zenog
18:03 Hyppolit svn: r11227 | mattp++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11227
18:03 Hyppolit small comments update
18:03 Hyppolit branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-ConfigSync/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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18:09 zenog hi LeK and jagd
18:09 jagd Hi zenog and LeK
18:11 LeK hi zeong, hi jagd :)
18:13 zenog jagd: How's the Chinese translation going?
18:14 * LeK has no idea
18:16 jagd most of menues and dialogs are translated, what's not translated yet are mostly some hinits
18:18 jagd sorry,   hints
18:19 jagd i will continue it in Ostern
18:19 zenog Cool.
18:19 zenog I am looking forward to see Padre fully translated into several languages.
18:22 Sewi zenog: It is fully translated to many languages :-)
18:23 jagd i am  I am looking forward too.
18:25 jagd i want to use Padre instead of vim,  yesterday i was spending lot time debugging my vimscript :(
18:31 zenog jagd: What keeps you from using Padre?
18:31 Sewi Use the Vi plugin for Padre
18:32 zenog gotta go, see you tomorrow ...
18:32 jagd i have many vimscripts, that's a reason, that i still use vim
18:33 jagd zenog, see you :)
18:40 Sewi jagd: Why not run them in Padre?
18:45 jagd Sewi: i think i will.    if Padre could be a liittle smaller (with perl <100MB unarchived), then i can use it everywhere
19:06 Sewi jagd: I think the standalone was ~50MB?
19:08 jagd Sewi: do you mean this? http://padre-perl-ide.googlecode.com/​files/strawberry-plus-padre-0.56.zip
19:10 Sewi download?
19:10 Hyppolit download is http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
19:10 Sewi http://padre-perl-ide.googlecode.co​m/files/perl-5.11.4-xl-0.03.tar.bz2
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19:20 Sewi jadg: The standalone is for Linux!
19:20 Sewi Sorry
19:21 jagd Sewi: i'm using linux
19:22 jagd Sewi: but not everywhere, usually in Windows are Perl installed,  and sometimes i have only little space for my private files
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19:25 jagd >100M for a editor is waste of space, if i work in those space-limited environment
19:28 Sewi USB Sticks are forbidden there?
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19:40 Hyppolit svn: r11228 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11228
19:40 Hyppolit adjust & update chinese translation
19:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
19:41 Sewi jagd: If Perl is installed, Padre shouldn't take that much space
19:42 Sewi I sess 6,2MB lib dir (incl. svn data)
19:42 jagd Sewi: :) fortunately are not ,  good idea
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19:44 jagd Sewi: i've tried coping strawberry Perl in a USB stick, there are too many tiny files,  that ist really slow
19:44 Sewi :-(
19:45 Sewi Strawberry might be way too fat just for running Padre
19:48 jagd Sewi: :) but it is a good noncommercial distribution
20:02 Hyppolit svn: r11229 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11229
20:02 Hyppolit remove a crash from "Join lines"
20:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
20:11 Hyppolit svn: r11230 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11230
20:11 Hyppolit adjust chinese translation
20:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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