Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-04-08

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01:32 kthakore Alias_: hola
01:32 kthakore Alias_: how did it go
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04:37 Alias_ kthakore: I hit one bug
04:37 Alias_ I'm seeing a black square around the rotating gun
04:37 Alias_ Which wouldn't be so bad, except that it hides the current ball so you can't see it
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05:27 |Sno| moin
06:01 Sewi gm
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09:45 waxhead evening all
09:45 daxim hello oysthralia!
09:45 waxhead :)
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09:48 zenog Sewi: ping
09:49 * Sewi hides
09:50 Sewi go ahead :-)
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09:57 zenog I just saw that the About box in Padre does not say anything about Padre's licensing terms.
09:57 zenog Shouldn't we say there that Padre is Free/Open Source Software?
10:01 Sewi Add a copy of the licensing text from Padre.pm and add a check to the license test (it's in t/ or xt/)...
10:02 Sno|Laptop But a comment that Padre is available under Perl license terms would be nice
10:04 daxim that doesn't cut it - must be a specific version of Perl: http://www.perlfoundation.or​g/cpan_licensing_guidelines
10:06 waxhead man Wx does my head in!
10:06 waxhead you'd think I could lay out a simple dialog!
10:06 waxhead freaking Wx::wxEXPAND | Wx::wxALL blah blah blah...
10:06 waxhead what the hell does it all mean when my test boxes are so small!
10:12 zenog waxhead: Welcome to the world of Wx programming ... it will get better after the first week or so ;-)
10:15 waxhead oh.. it's the second arguement to ->Add() that's catching me out!
10:15 waxhead sigh..
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11:36 zenog If no one steps up, I'll be willing to change the About box ...
11:46 Sewi Go ahead
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11:57 zenog hi kyanardag_ aukjan
11:57 kyanardag_ hi
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12:03 aukjan hi!
12:06 Hyppolit #923: (wishlist) special (tab) characters should be also available in regex editor (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/923#comment:1 ]
12:07 Hyppolit #922: Regex editor keeps first language after language change. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/922#comment:1 ]
12:10 Sewi Hi aukjan
12:10 aukjan Hi Sewi
12:27 Hyppolit svn: r11302 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11302
12:27 Hyppolit added licensing information to About dialog
12:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:55 daxim where's the Format::Human::Bytes repo?
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13:15 waxhead zenog, I think you should put the text more "tightly" and below the image.... IMHO
13:15 waxhead for the About box that it
13:15 daxim hahahaha, bullseye!  http://use.perl.org/comments​.pl?sid=44725&cid=71859
13:15 waxhead s/it/is/
13:16 waxhead I thought that was fixed
13:17 daxim whose splendid idea was it to use a dialog for this?
13:18 waxhead dunno... oh.. It was osmething in the tests now if I recall correctly...
13:18 waxhead personally it should be done when you ask the editor to do the check for you.. explictly...
13:18 waxhead I think you can turn it off with the beginner mode
13:19 daxim I am not bart
13:19 Sewi waxhead: You're right.
13:19 waxhead I guess you're not you'd be daxim?
13:20 Sewi This is a "beginner error" and they could be turned off. You could also turn off each single check.
13:20 waxhead the beginner mode is on in preferences
13:20 daxim guys
13:20 daxim I meant to imply, telling this to me does not have any relevance
13:20 waxhead sure... it's just putting out there into the channel
13:20 waxhead in that the point is raised, and we say "turn it off"....
13:21 daxim right? I'm not the one having problems with padre.  I am already using an editor, and it actually works
13:21 Sewi could anybody with a use.perl.org point them to the preferences panel, please?
13:21 waxhead the dialog makes sense when you realise you have beginner mode turned on
13:21 waxhead which makes the action interactive
13:21 waxhead otherwise, how else would it stand out?
13:21 waxhead it's not a syntax error...
13:22 waxhead although, in the spirit of "not getting in the way" there could be a beginner panel in the bottom of the ide that worked like the syntax and errors one
13:23 waxhead so it just quietly mentioned your beginner errors with out the disruption of the dialog popping up annoying you....
13:23 waxhead especially when you didn't realise beginner mode was on in the first place and don't know where to turn it off.
13:26 Sewi waxhead: Do you  have a use perl account?
13:26 waxhead nope
13:28 Sewi :-(
13:28 zenog How about allowing = in if statements if the variable is introduced using 'my' immediatly there? No matter whether it is beginner mode or not?
13:28 Sewi zenog: I don't think that this structure is something which is usually used by beginners, but I may be wrong
13:32 zenog Sewi: Right, if it is usually not used by beginners, there may also be no point in catching it as a potential "typical beginner error"
13:33 zenog btw, I really liked Alias's post; I am not decided yet what the best solution is there, but he is raising some legitimate questions.
13:33 waxhead automatic use warnings?
13:36 zenog waxhead: yeah; until today, I always thought it was nice by Moose to do this, now I start having doubts...
13:36 waxhead you know, I'm not that clued up with Perl to know much of this stuff...
13:37 waxhead to me it's always been the way I started every script I write,  use strict; use warnings;
13:37 waxhead what I think he hightlights well is a case of unintended consequence
13:37 waxhead everyone knows to use strict and use warnings,
13:38 waxhead but many 'beginner' mistakes start with these two pragmas missing in the code
13:38 zenog waxhead: I am in a similar position - I use Perl mostly for data conversion/control scripts, I never used it for large web applications, so this perspective was unknown to me ...
13:38 waxhead large or small... now I consider myself educated...
13:39 waxhead I'm a bit the same myself, perl does a lot of data munging pre-processing...
13:39 waxhead but it also does a lot of web stuff for me too
13:39 waxhead there's a bit of perl in .asp pages at work...
13:39 Sewi You guys know the templates that come with Padre?
13:40 waxhead nope
13:40 waxhead I don't go exploring that much
13:41 Sewi Try File -> New... -> Perl Module
13:41 waxhead until it occurs to me to look for something
13:41 waxhead neat
13:41 waxhead !
13:42 waxhead wasn't that why alias did the template::tiny work?
13:44 Sewi I don't know if alias did t:ti for Padre, but it's used there
13:47 waxhead Sewi, why do you ask?
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14:00 Sewi Because these templates include the "typical" basic structures - including strict and warnings.
14:10 waxhead which is normal... should you want to turn off warnings you do.. hash it out.  :)
14:10 waxhead hmmm  i don't get yaml yet...
14:11 waxhead but not tonight.. bed now
14:11 waxhead night
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15:39 szabgab daxim, " I am already using an editor, and it actually works"   what do you mean by this comment?
15:39 szabgab Sewi, I just commented on use.perl.org
15:40 daxim the first part means kate
15:41 daxim the second part means the bugs I filed are blocking my adoption of padre
15:41 Sewi szabgab: thanks
15:42 Sewi daxim: Still blocking after you fixed them? :-)
15:42 szabgab and I think I actually already fixed that as that was causing the errors in AUTOMATED_TEST mode
15:46 Hyppolit #407: developer garbage on STDOUT (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/407#comment:8 ]
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16:42 szabgab I'll deal with daxim on the weekend!
16:44 Sewi :-)
16:44 szabgab smoke test seem to fail again in the last few changes
16:45 szabgab I guess I need to add an IRC client to the smoke tester to nag people here too :-)
16:45 szabgab smoke?
16:45 szabgab tests?
16:45 szabgab smolder?
16:46 szabgab Hyppolit, smoke is http://smolder.plusthree.com/app/​public_projects/smoke_reports/11
16:46 Hyppolit smoke was unknown
16:46 Hyppolit smoke is now http://smolder.plusthree.com/app/​public_projects/smoke_reports/11
16:46 szabgab as a start
16:48 szabgab daxim, do you have a git server of your own? I need help in setting one up for myself
16:50 daxim no, nothing dedicated
16:51 daxim github does it all for me
16:51 daxim or do you just mean git repository?
16:56 szabgab I need a private gir repository so I can sync some of my files between desktop and notebook
16:56 szabgab and keep them on the server
16:56 szabgab I do that with svn now but I'd like to try it with git
16:57 szabgab I have ssh access to the server
16:59 Sewi What's bad with svn?
16:59 Sewi or rsync (depending on your needs)
16:59 daxim szabgab, google for git bare repository, that's what you want
17:00 daxim I assume you make a new one.  if you migrate an svn repo, clone the git-svn'ed repo first with option --bare
17:00 szabgab this is a new one
17:01 szabgab actually I am not really sure what is bad with svn :-)
17:01 szabgab I had some reasons a while ago but I don't recall now
17:01 daxim alright, there are a million tutorials for this already, you don't need me holding your hand through this
17:01 szabgab daxim, thanks
17:02 zenog szabgab: my guess is that the test failure was introduced here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11299
17:03 daxim Sewi, aristoteles gives a very good reason  http://plasmasturm.org/log/523/
17:03 daxim and after reviewing my toolchain intro talk from yapc::eu and twin city perl workshop, I agree
17:05 Sewi I don't agree with him for some reasons.
17:05 daxim aha?
17:43 daxim zenog, Sewi, jagd, http://conferences.yapceurope.o​rg/gpw2010/search?search=Search
17:44 daxim be there or be  ⃞
17:59 Sewi If I set up something, I take my time to establish a basic, clear configuration. Auto-configured things usually do something I don't want them to do, sooner or later.
18:04 zenog daxim: No time then, a friend is getting married ;-)
18:07 zenog I have re-created the translation stats - where would they have to go?
18:07 zenog Is this in the repository as well?
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18:34 LeK hello world!
18:46 zenog Hi LeK
19:32 zenog Hey guys, I am currently ordering some Perl books for work, can you recommend books on Web development w/ Perl, say e.g. about Catalyst?
19:34 Steffen Yes. Find Matt Trout's
19:34 * Steffen digs in heap of paper...
19:34 Steffen "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst", Kieren Diment & Matt S Trout
19:36 zenog Steffen: thanks
19:36 Steffen Sure, any time.
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19:38 zenog &
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23:49 mutant hi... I was just wondering about the state of project support in Padre? anything in there at the moment?

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