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kthakore |
Alias_: hola |
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kthakore |
Alias_: how did it go |
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Alias_ |
kthakore: I hit one bug |
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Alias_ |
I'm seeing a black square around the rotating gun |
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Alias_ |
Which wouldn't be so bad, except that it hides the current ball so you can't see it |
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waxhead |
evening all |
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daxim |
hello oysthralia! |
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waxhead |
:) |
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zenog |
Sewi: ping |
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* Sewi |
hides |
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Sewi |
go ahead :-) |
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| 09:57 |
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zenog |
I just saw that the About box in Padre does not say anything about Padre's licensing terms. |
| 09:57 |
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zenog |
Shouldn't we say there that Padre is Free/Open Source Software? |
| 10:01 |
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Sewi |
Add a copy of the licensing text from Padre.pm and add a check to the license test (it's in t/ or xt/)... |
| 10:02 |
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Sno|Laptop |
But a comment that Padre is available under Perl license terms would be nice |
| 10:04 |
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daxim |
that doesn't cut it - must be a specific version of Perl: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]ensing_guidelines |
| 10:06 |
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waxhead |
man Wx does my head in! |
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waxhead |
you'd think I could lay out a simple dialog! |
| 10:06 |
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waxhead |
freaking Wx::wxEXPAND | Wx::wxALL blah blah blah... |
| 10:06 |
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waxhead |
what the hell does it all mean when my test boxes are so small! |
| 10:12 |
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zenog |
waxhead: Welcome to the world of Wx programming ... it will get better after the first week or so ;-) |
| 10:15 |
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waxhead |
oh.. it's the second arguement to ->Add() that's catching me out! |
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waxhead |
sigh.. |
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zenog |
If no one steps up, I'll be willing to change the About box ... |
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Sewi |
Go ahead |
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zenog |
hi kyanardag_ aukjan |
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kyanardag_ |
hi |
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aukjan |
hi! |
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Hyppolit |
#923: (wishlist) special (tab) characters should be also available in regex editor (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/923#comment:1 ] |
| 12:07 |
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Hyppolit |
#922: Regex editor keeps first language after language change. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/922#comment:1 ] |
| 12:10 |
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Sewi |
Hi aukjan |
| 12:10 |
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aukjan |
Hi Sewi |
| 12:27 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11302 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11302 |
| 12:27 |
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Hyppolit |
added licensing information to About dialog |
| 12:27 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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daxim |
where's the Format::Human::Bytes repo? |
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waxhead |
zenog, I think you should put the text more "tightly" and below the image.... IMHO |
| 13:15 |
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waxhead |
for the About box that it |
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daxim |
hahahaha, bullseye! http://use.perl.org/comments.p[…]d=44725&cid=71859 |
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waxhead |
s/it/is/ |
| 13:16 |
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waxhead |
I thought that was fixed |
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daxim |
whose splendid idea was it to use a dialog for this? |
| 13:18 |
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waxhead |
dunno... oh.. It was osmething in the tests now if I recall correctly... |
| 13:18 |
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waxhead |
personally it should be done when you ask the editor to do the check for you.. explictly... |
| 13:18 |
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waxhead |
I think you can turn it off with the beginner mode |
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daxim |
I am not bart |
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Sewi |
waxhead: You're right. |
| 13:19 |
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waxhead |
I guess you're not you'd be daxim? |
| 13:20 |
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Sewi |
This is a "beginner error" and they could be turned off. You could also turn off each single check. |
| 13:20 |
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waxhead |
the beginner mode is on in preferences |
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daxim |
guys |
| 13:20 |
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daxim |
I meant to imply, telling this to me does not have any relevance |
| 13:20 |
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waxhead |
sure... it's just putting out there into the channel |
| 13:20 |
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waxhead |
in that the point is raised, and we say "turn it off".... |
| 13:21 |
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daxim |
right? I'm not the one having problems with padre. I am already using an editor, and it actually works |
| 13:21 |
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Sewi |
could anybody with a use.perl.org point them to the preferences panel, please? |
| 13:21 |
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waxhead |
the dialog makes sense when you realise you have beginner mode turned on |
| 13:21 |
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waxhead |
which makes the action interactive |
| 13:21 |
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waxhead |
otherwise, how else would it stand out? |
| 13:21 |
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waxhead |
it's not a syntax error... |
| 13:22 |
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waxhead |
although, in the spirit of "not getting in the way" there could be a beginner panel in the bottom of the ide that worked like the syntax and errors one |
| 13:23 |
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waxhead |
so it just quietly mentioned your beginner errors with out the disruption of the dialog popping up annoying you.... |
| 13:23 |
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waxhead |
especially when you didn't realise beginner mode was on in the first place and don't know where to turn it off. |
| 13:26 |
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Sewi |
waxhead: Do you have a use perl account? |
| 13:26 |
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waxhead |
nope |
| 13:28 |
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Sewi |
:-( |
| 13:28 |
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zenog |
How about allowing = in if statements if the variable is introduced using 'my' immediatly there? No matter whether it is beginner mode or not? |
| 13:28 |
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Sewi |
zenog: I don't think that this structure is something which is usually used by beginners, but I may be wrong |
| 13:32 |
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zenog |
Sewi: Right, if it is usually not used by beginners, there may also be no point in catching it as a potential "typical beginner error" |
| 13:33 |
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zenog |
btw, I really liked Alias's post; I am not decided yet what the best solution is there, but he is raising some legitimate questions. |
| 13:33 |
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waxhead |
automatic use warnings? |
| 13:36 |
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zenog |
waxhead: yeah; until today, I always thought it was nice by Moose to do this, now I start having doubts... |
| 13:36 |
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waxhead |
you know, I'm not that clued up with Perl to know much of this stuff... |
| 13:37 |
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waxhead |
to me it's always been the way I started every script I write, use strict; use warnings; |
| 13:37 |
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waxhead |
what I think he hightlights well is a case of unintended consequence |
| 13:37 |
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waxhead |
everyone knows to use strict and use warnings, |
| 13:38 |
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waxhead |
but many 'beginner' mistakes start with these two pragmas missing in the code |
| 13:38 |
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zenog |
waxhead: I am in a similar position - I use Perl mostly for data conversion/control scripts, I never used it for large web applications, so this perspective was unknown to me ... |
| 13:38 |
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waxhead |
large or small... now I consider myself educated... |
| 13:39 |
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waxhead |
I'm a bit the same myself, perl does a lot of data munging pre-processing... |
| 13:39 |
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waxhead |
but it also does a lot of web stuff for me too |
| 13:39 |
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waxhead |
there's a bit of perl in .asp pages at work... |
| 13:39 |
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Sewi |
You guys know the templates that come with Padre? |
| 13:40 |
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waxhead |
nope |
| 13:40 |
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waxhead |
I don't go exploring that much |
| 13:41 |
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Sewi |
Try File -> New... -> Perl Module |
| 13:41 |
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waxhead |
until it occurs to me to look for something |
| 13:41 |
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waxhead |
neat |
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waxhead |
! |
| 13:42 |
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waxhead |
wasn't that why alias did the template::tiny work? |
| 13:44 |
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Sewi |
I don't know if alias did t:ti for Padre, but it's used there |
| 13:47 |
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waxhead |
Sewi, why do you ask? |
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Sewi |
Because these templates include the "typical" basic structures - including strict and warnings. |
| 14:10 |
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waxhead |
which is normal... should you want to turn off warnings you do.. hash it out. :) |
| 14:10 |
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waxhead |
hmmm i don't get yaml yet... |
| 14:11 |
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waxhead |
but not tonight.. bed now |
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waxhead |
night |
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szabgab |
daxim, " I am already using an editor, and it actually works" what do you mean by this comment? |
| 15:39 |
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szabgab |
Sewi, I just commented on use.perl.org |
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daxim |
the first part means kate |
| 15:41 |
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daxim |
the second part means the bugs I filed are blocking my adoption of padre |
| 15:41 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: thanks |
| 15:42 |
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Sewi |
daxim: Still blocking after you fixed them? :-) |
| 15:42 |
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szabgab |
and I think I actually already fixed that as that was causing the errors in AUTOMATED_TEST mode |
| 15:46 |
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Hyppolit |
#407: developer garbage on STDOUT (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/407#comment:8 ] |
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szabgab |
I'll deal with daxim on the weekend! |
| 16:44 |
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Sewi |
:-) |
| 16:44 |
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szabgab |
smoke test seem to fail again in the last few changes |
| 16:45 |
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szabgab |
I guess I need to add an IRC client to the smoke tester to nag people here too :-) |
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szabgab |
smoke? |
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szabgab |
tests? |
| 16:45 |
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szabgab |
smolder? |
| 16:46 |
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szabgab |
Hyppolit, smoke is http://smolder.plusthree.com/a[…]/smoke_reports/11 |
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Hyppolit |
smoke was unknown |
| 16:46 |
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Hyppolit |
smoke is now http://smolder.plusthree.com/a[…]/smoke_reports/11 |
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szabgab |
as a start |
| 16:48 |
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szabgab |
daxim, do you have a git server of your own? I need help in setting one up for myself |
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daxim |
no, nothing dedicated |
| 16:51 |
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daxim |
github does it all for me |
| 16:51 |
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daxim |
or do you just mean git repository? |
| 16:56 |
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szabgab |
I need a private gir repository so I can sync some of my files between desktop and notebook |
| 16:56 |
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szabgab |
and keep them on the server |
| 16:56 |
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szabgab |
I do that with svn now but I'd like to try it with git |
| 16:57 |
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szabgab |
I have ssh access to the server |
| 16:59 |
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Sewi |
What's bad with svn? |
| 16:59 |
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Sewi |
or rsync (depending on your needs) |
| 16:59 |
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daxim |
szabgab, google for git bare repository, that's what you want |
| 17:00 |
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daxim |
I assume you make a new one. if you migrate an svn repo, clone the git-svn'ed repo first with option --bare |
| 17:00 |
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szabgab |
this is a new one |
| 17:01 |
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szabgab |
actually I am not really sure what is bad with svn :-) |
| 17:01 |
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szabgab |
I had some reasons a while ago but I don't recall now |
| 17:01 |
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daxim |
alright, there are a million tutorials for this already, you don't need me holding your hand through this |
| 17:01 |
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szabgab |
daxim, thanks |
| 17:02 |
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zenog |
szabgab: my guess is that the test failure was introduced here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11299 |
| 17:03 |
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daxim |
Sewi, aristoteles gives a very good reason http://plasmasturm.org/log/523/ |
| 17:03 |
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daxim |
and after reviewing my toolchain intro talk from yapc::eu and twin city perl workshop, I agree |
| 17:05 |
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Sewi |
I don't agree with him for some reasons. |
| 17:05 |
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daxim |
aha? |
| 17:43 |
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daxim |
zenog, Sewi, jagd, http://conferences.yapceurope.[…]rch?search=Search |
| 17:44 |
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daxim |
be there or be ⃞ |
| 17:59 |
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Sewi |
If I set up something, I take my time to establish a basic, clear configuration. Auto-configured things usually do something I don't want them to do, sooner or later. |
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zenog |
daxim: No time then, a friend is getting married ;-) |
| 18:07 |
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zenog |
I have re-created the translation stats - where would they have to go? |
| 18:07 |
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zenog |
Is this in the repository as well? |
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LeK |
hello world! |
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zenog |
Hi LeK |
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zenog |
Hey guys, I am currently ordering some Perl books for work, can you recommend books on Web development w/ Perl, say e.g. about Catalyst? |
| 19:34 |
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Steffen |
Yes. Find Matt Trout's |
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* Steffen |
digs in heap of paper... |
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Steffen |
"The Definitive Guide to Catalyst", Kieren Diment & Matt S Trout |
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zenog |
Steffen: thanks |
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Steffen |
Sure, any time. |
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zenog |
& |
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mutant |
hi... I was just wondering about the state of project support in Padre? anything in there at the moment? |
