Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-04-11

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00:51 * waxhead is installing Padre on a clean system
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02:02 waxhead ok, clean install requires Class::Adaptor, which isn't installed on a clean system...
02:02 waxhead I'll let it build to see if it fails
03:26 waxhead I can confirm that on a clean install that Class::Adaptor::Builder is missing
03:26 waxhead so... where has it gone?? :)
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06:46 azawawi good morning
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07:57 waxhead hey aza
07:59 Hyppolit svn: r11312 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11312
07:59 Hyppolit Added a Changes file
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SQL/
08:00 Hyppolit svn: r11313 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11313
08:00 Hyppolit more clean up of code
08:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SQL/lib/Padre/Plugin/SQL/
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10:15 perlBoy hello everyone!
10:15 perlBoy I have been using Perl for quite some time now..
10:15 perlBoy I'd like to know more about Padre....
10:15 perlBoy can anyone assist me?
10:16 szabgabx sure
10:16 szabgabx what can we help?
10:16 perlBoy just some question..
10:16 perlBoy can I use a specific version of Perl in Padre?
10:17 perlBoy i.e ActiveState Perl
10:17 szabgabx for running Padre?
10:17 chorny IMHO, most simple is to install Padre in that version
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10:17 szabgabx or to run your code edited in Padre?
10:17 perlBoy active state Perl for Padre.
10:17 szabgabx fr running padre you need 5.8.7 at least
10:18 szabgabx there is a ppm package
10:18 perlBoy I'd be using 5.8.9
10:18 szabgabx you can install on ActivePerl on Windows
10:18 perlBoy on windows
10:18 szabgabx I am not sure if there is a ppm package for that
10:18 szabgabx but you can install the stand alone padre
10:18 perlBoy nice.
10:18 szabgabx and then configure it to use your active perl to be used for syntax checking
10:18 perlBoy will that work with active state 5.8.9?
10:18 szabgabx and running your code
10:19 perlBoy awesome!
10:19 perlBoy how do I do that..
10:19 szabgabx it does not care what is the other perl
10:19 perlBoy I'm still downloading Padre.
10:19 szabgabx first install and follow the instructions on the download page to fix that stupid bug we have
10:19 perlBoy stupid bug?
10:19 szabgabx and better upgrade to the latest padre from cpan
10:19 perlBoy the one on the site?
10:19 waxhead what stupid bug?
10:20 waxhead szabgabx, how's vienna?
10:20 szabgabx see the warning on stand alone padre http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
10:20 perlBoy yeah saw that..
10:20 szabgabx among other things it prevents you from upgrading padre
10:21 szabgabx Vienna is fine
10:21 szabgabx beer is good
10:21 szabgabx people are nice
10:21 waxhead szabgabx, what RDBMS do you normally have installed on your laptop?
10:21 szabgabx but I have not sold any Padre licenses yet :-)
10:21 szabgabx I have sqlite, Pg and maybe even mysql
10:21 szabgabx I am not sure
10:22 waxhead szabgabx, ./dev.pl -a and try out the SQL plugin.. it only does Pg at the moment...
10:22 szabgabx ok, I'll try later
10:22 waxhead cool...
10:22 waxhead lots of work still needs to be done...
10:22 waxhead nearly all your code is redundant...
10:23 waxhead so the next lot of work will be to start pulling out all the code that isn't used
10:23 szabgabx that's good to hear :-)
10:23 szabgabx I am playing with perl on Android now
10:23 perlBoy You guys are awesome!
10:23 szabgabx so let me go back to that now
10:23 waxhead and then start doing the DBD connection stuff.. which shouldn't be too hard..
10:23 waxhead szabgabx, you get an andriod phone?
10:24 szabgabx it is not a phone
10:24 waxhead what is it?
10:24 szabgabx Archos internet tablet 5
10:24 waxhead tablet?
10:24 szabgabx 5 inch
10:24 waxhead like the ipad?
10:24 waxhead smaller than the ipad?
10:24 perlBoy another question, the installation setup prompted Strawberry Perl plus Padre.
10:24 szabgabx smaller
10:24 perlBoy did I get the right installer?
10:24 szabgabx perlBoy, yes
10:24 waxhead perlBoy, doesn't sound like it... did you get the MSI file?
10:25 perlBoy yup.
10:25 waxhead perlBoy, well ignore me then.. :)
10:25 waxhead I need to setup my windows VM some day...
10:25 waxhead to better test...
10:25 waxhead but mostly I only use strawberry these days.. I like the CPAN client being able to install and compile cpan modules..
10:25 perlBoy I clicked: The Padre Standalone package link.
10:25 perlBoy same here.
10:26 perlBoy I prefer Perl from CPAN.
10:26 waxhead if you're using strawberry, you will be able to installed Padre from the cpan client
10:26 perlBoy but I'm trying out Active state right now.
10:26 waxhead don't bother
10:26 waxhead :)
10:26 perlBoy that's why I'm looking for an IDE for activestate Perl
10:26 waxhead unless you have a compelling reason to do so...
10:27 waxhead komodo is their IDE, but it's big a bloated...
10:27 waxhead does a lot of stuff though
10:27 perlBoy I need to run single my compiler to be single threaded.
10:27 perlBoy I use the "compile -d" command in linux.
10:27 perlBoy and so far I'm able to run the same code in ActiveState Perl 5.8.9
10:28 perlBoy but not on 5.10
10:28 perlBoy and I'm also afraid that it might not run on strawberry Perl.
10:29 perlBoy Is there a Padre installer that will allow me to use a specific version of Perl instead of Strawberry Perl in Windows?
10:29 szabgabx nope
10:30 perlBoy awww...
10:30 szabgabx you can of course install padre from source on any perl
10:30 perlBoy how do i do that?
10:30 szabgabx just launch your cpan client and type install Padre
10:30 szabgabx "just"   I mean :-)
10:31 perlBoy ok.
10:31 perlBoy I'm gonna try that.
10:31 perlBoy your really nice!
10:31 perlBoy thanks!
10:31 szabgabx you are welcome :-)
10:32 perlBoy I'm proceeding with the installation right now.
10:33 perlBoy where is the CPAN client located in the Padre?
10:33 szabgabx it is in perl not in padre
10:33 perlBoy ooops.
10:33 szabgabx well, padre has a GUI for it but it is not really working I think
10:33 perlBoy ouch.
10:34 perlBoy :s
10:34 perlBoy I saw the plugin already.
10:34 perlBoy hope that it works.
10:35 perlBoy :)
10:54 waxhead is there a Padre->main?
10:58 Hyppolit svn: r11314 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11314
10:58 Hyppolit Error dialog when a connection fails for some reason.
10:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SQL/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SQL/lib/Padre/Plugin/SQL/
11:02 perlBoy strawberry perl just crashed...
11:03 perlBoy I really need to revert to either CPAN or Activestate...
11:03 perlBoy thank you so much for the assistance szabgabx!
11:04 szabgabx you are welcome
11:05 perlBoy you rock!
11:10 perlBoy I think I'd enjoy using Padre but It only supports Strawberry Perl for windows.
11:12 perlBoy hope that there's a way around it..
11:13 perlBoy proably in the future.
11:13 perlBoy *probably.
11:14 szabgabx ?
11:14 szabgabx what do you mean by supports?
11:14 perlBoy It will be very cool if users can select the version of Perl to be used with Padre
11:14 perlBoy Strawberry Per keeps on crashing.
11:16 szabgabx when?
11:17 Steffen perlBoy, okay, two corrections: Padre has no inherent connection to Strawberry Perl.
11:17 Steffen Second: The crashing is most certainly not Strawberry's fault but some module that Padre uses (or Padre itself).
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11:30 perlBoy yeah I'm aware of that.
11:31 perlBoy unfortunately, there's no way for me to use a different version of Perl in Padre.
11:31 perlBoy except for Strawberry.
11:31 perlBoy btw. I got the installer for the website.
11:31 perlBoy will it be possible to change the behavior of Padre?
11:32 perlBoy so that It will use a different version of Perl...
11:33 perlBoy coz the script that I'm working on works perfectly with other version of Perl.
11:33 perlBoy I started the script using linux.
11:35 waxhead perlBoy, can you run the script from the command line OK?
11:36 perlBoy yup!
11:36 perlBoy not working using strawberry.
11:36 perlBoy it's working with Perl from CPAN and ActiveState
11:37 waxhead perlBoy, in the Tools/Preferences dialog go to Run Parameters and put in the full path to the perl executable you want to run
11:39 perlBoy Tools?
11:39 perlBoy Only have "File" "Edit" "Search" "View" ...
11:39 perlBoy not seeing any Tools in the menu.
11:39 perlBoy is it a submenu?
11:40 Hyppolit svn: r11315 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11315
11:40 Hyppolit mysql connections work.
11:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SQL/
11:40 waxhead perlBoy, no Tools menu?
11:40 waxhead what version of Padre do you have?
11:40 perlBoy none.
11:41 perlBoy 0.56
11:41 waxhead what does padre think your script is?
11:41 waxhead check the status bar at the bottom, do it think it's a perl file?
11:42 perlBoy Padre is able to load the file and recognize it as a perl script.
11:42 perlBoy document type Padre::Document::Perl
11:43 waxhead hmm odd that you don't have all the menus
11:43 waxhead close Padre and start it again
11:43 perlBoy I just had it form the site.
11:43 waxhead don't open your script
11:43 perlBoy will do.
11:43 waxhead I'm just trying to remember when the preferences got moved to Tools...
11:43 perlBoy hmmm....
11:44 waxhead start Padre again, do you see a tools menu?
11:44 perlBoy same menus
11:44 perlBoy now that you've mention it...
11:44 waxhead have a look in Edit.. it used to be in there.. maybe 0.56 still had it there
11:44 perlBoy it is really weird not to have that option.
11:44 waxhead the option to have all your menus?
11:45 waxhead how many versions of perl do you have installed?
11:45 perlBoy I've got CPAN 5.8
11:45 waxhead from the command prompt type in perl --version
11:45 perlBoy ActiveState 5.9
11:45 perlBoy and strawberry
11:45 perlBoy 3 versions.
11:45 waxhead yike...
11:45 waxhead are they all 'self contained' ?
11:45 perlBoy yup!
11:46 perlBoy I made some modifications with perl
11:46 waxhead do can you end up in the situation that you get mixed libraries in common directorties?
11:46 perlBoy nope.
11:46 perlBoy all of them are in different folders.
11:46 perlBoy totally independent.
11:46 waxhead sure?
11:46 perlBoy 100%
11:46 waxhead you don't end up with dll's in say system or system32 directory?
11:46 perlBoy none of those.
11:47 waxhead I generally only have the one version of perl installed on windows
11:47 waxhead ok.. so what's the default perl that gets run?
11:47 perlBoy what versions do you use?
11:47 waxhead I'm lazy.. strawberry perl
11:47 waxhead so simple
11:47 perlBoy the default that I'm using is active state.
11:47 waxhead when a new one comes out I uninstall and install the new one, then re-add everything using the cpan client
11:48 perlBoy but I also use CPAN from time to time.
11:48 waxhead when you say you use CPAN, do you mean you build the source perl?
11:48 perlBoy not for windows
11:48 perlBoy but I do it for my linux box.
11:49 waxhead do you mean you use the cpan client to install perl modules?
11:49 perlBoy ah.
11:49 perlBoy yup!
11:49 waxhead right, with Activestate Perl, you use PPM
11:50 waxhead with strawberry perl you use the cpan client, because strawberry perl is really good to you and provides you with a full build environment that allows you to instally nearly all cpan modules
11:50 waxhead and you do that using the cpan client
11:51 waxhead with activestate you use their ppm installer which runs off to the ppm repoes to get the PRE-compiled perl modules
11:51 waxhead because with windows you don't get the C build tools you do with linux.. ie make gcc etc
11:51 waxhead unless you use something like cygwin, which I never have
11:52 perlBoy yeah...
11:52 perlBoy I'd like to do the same thing with Padre.
11:52 waxhead so if you have strawberry perl, the best way to install Padre is simply to use the cpan client let it resolve all the depandancies and compile all the c and c++ bits for you
11:53 waxhead otherwise, the stand alone one should work.. but I've never tried it.. always installed Padre with the cpan client
11:53 waxhead perlBoy, given the mess things seem to be in, I'd suggest uninstalling activestate and strawberry perl
11:53 waxhead then install the version of strawberry perl you want/need
11:54 waxhead then at the command prompt use the cpan client
11:54 waxhead is, cpan
11:54 waxhead s/is/ie/
11:54 waxhead it will ask you about how to set itself up.. accept the defaults... it's been a while since I've used windows
11:54 waxhead once it's setup you have the cpan prompt and you type: install Padre
11:55 perlBoy I'd give that a try.
11:55 perlBoy thanks man!
11:55 waxhead hmm... although there is a slight issue with a dependacy on Class::Adapter::Builder not being on CPAN....
11:55 waxhead still waiting to hear from Alias about it...
11:55 waxhead maybe hold off for a bit with the cpan install ..
11:55 perlBoy ok.
11:56 waxhead check back tomorrow night... Adam should be around and we might know why that module is no longer on cpan...
11:57 perlBoy cool!
11:57 waxhead perlBoy, yep... seems that a certain module has gone missing from cpan...
11:58 perlBoy thanks so much man!
11:58 waxhead just have to wait for Adam to sort it out... sorry about that
11:58 perlBoy I'd definitely be back here.
11:58 perlBoy you guys are awesome!
11:58 waxhead however once it's sorted out, it's fairly painless on windows with strawberry perl to install using the cpan client...
11:59 perlBoy cool! hopefully I'd get my way around this issue.
12:07 Hyppolit #917: ORLite v1.42 don't install (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/​ticket/917#comment:description.1 ]
12:14 waxhead you will.. plenty of people are using Padre on windows...
12:15 waxhead but I can't really quantify "plenty"...  :)
12:15 waxhead right, time for bed..
12:15 waxhead nite
12:20 perlBoy nite!
12:20 perlBoy thanks again!
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17:37 Hyppolit svn: r11316 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11316
17:37 Hyppolit Updates messages.pot
17:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
17:37 Hyppolit svn: r11317 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11317
17:37 Hyppolit Fixed some bad translation and added some
17:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
17:41 Hyppolit svn: r11318 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11318
17:41 Hyppolit Perl tidy
17:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Util/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/
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