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09:18 zenog moin
09:26 Hyppolit #211: Create Padre::Wx::DockedPanel (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/211#comment:2 ]
09:28 Hyppolit #211: Create Padre::Wx::DockedPanel (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/211#comment:3 ]
09:32 Hyppolit #946: (wishlist) Makefile document mode (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/946 ]
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10:04 Hyppolit #294: Linux binary fails to start with 0.33 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/294#comment:7 ]
10:06 Hyppolit #903: Test Failure - xt/compile.t (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/903#comment:2 ]
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10:08 Hyppolit #902: Test Failure - xt/badcode.t (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/902#comment:2 ]
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14:17 Alias How do you know there's nobody in channel Padre if you don't ask anything?
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14:21 PerlJam Because people should be randomly talking if they are here.  :)
14:21 Alias Clearly
14:21 puosua hi, I post my question again here: Padre 0.56 on Win XP installed, it seems work fine, but the Help (F1) doesn't work correctly. Always show "Searched for 'Padre' and failed..." or just nothing. F2 context help works however. Tried to upgrade to Padre 0.60 udner CPAN client but without success.
14:21 bricas Broom.
14:22 bricas is that random enough?
14:22 Alias again?
14:22 Alias :)
14:26 szbalint so after a boring job, you're in a boring channel too, Alias ? :)
14:26 szbalint (just kidding...)
14:26 Alias Hey!
14:26 Alias We're one of the most exciting things in Perl atm :)
14:26 szbalint Indeed!
14:26 szbalint and besides from my perspective your job is to give awesome YAPC::EU talks
14:26 Alias Well, if someone can fix my threading + Wx problem
14:26 szbalint so not all is lost :)
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14:31 puosua Have upgraded Alien::wxWidgets from 0.50 to 0.51, Wx from 0.9701 to 0.9702, then tried to upgrade Padre to 0.60, still failed. Any clue? I jsut want to know how to fix the Help (F1) as above.
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14:40 puosua Anybody here has upgraded to padre 0.60 on win32 successfully? I got the message at the end: Failed during this command: PLAVEN/Padre-0.60.tar.gz                     : make_test NO
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15:02 bricas puosua: might be worthwhile to nopaste the output of the build process for all of us to see.
15:07 puosua bricas: I'll post it now
15:07 puosua cpan> upgrade Padre  Package namespace         installed    latest  in CPAN file Padre                          0.56      0.60  PLAVEN/Padre-0.60.tar.gz Running install for module 'Padre' Running make for P/PL/PLAVEN/Padre-0.60.tar.gz   Has already been unwrapped into directory C:\strawberry\cpan\build\Padre-0.60-0jWCPC   Has already been made Running make te
15:08 puosua well...it's 72 lines long mesage, how can I post it here?
15:09 bricas see the topic
15:09 bricas "Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001"
15:11 Xaero from the cpan shell if I do "install padre" will it install all the dependecies like wx and stuff?
15:12 shadowpaste "puosua" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Cannot upgrade to Padre 0.60, system with Strawberry Perl 5.10.1.1/Wx 0.9702/Alien::wxWidgets 0.51/Win32::GuiTest 1.56 installed." (72 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43182
15:15 puosua Thank bricas for the tip to use the link to paste long message. Back to my problem, anybody has idea about the upgrade problem?
15:18 bricas puosua: you could just force install :)
15:20 puosua bricas: wow, you are encouraging me to do the upgrade via unusal way... ok, I'll give it a try and come back to you
15:22 bricas puosua: it may not be a fatal error is all. it's a Config-related issue, though.
15:23 bricas i have to jet for lunch. bbl. good luck.
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15:25 zenog hi guys
15:25 puosua excuse me, is the command "force upgrade Padre" under CPAN shell correct?
15:26 szabgab puosua, I thought it would be   force install Padre
15:26 szabgab but maybe there is an 'upgrade' too
15:26 zenog Could it be that Padre::Locale::system_rfc4646() does not work under Windows?
15:27 Xaero hey szabgab!
15:27 szabgab re hey
15:27 Xaero i couldn't get wx working with the ppm (activeperl) so i got strawberryperl
15:28 Xaero so do i need to install wx seperately or with install padre install wx too?
15:28 szabgab I am upgrading Ubuntu, it tells me "It will take approximatel 58 minuttes do download.    - Time left 3 hours 27 minutes"
15:29 Xaero incase you wanted to know, the wx binaries were missing :(
15:29 szabgab Xaero, I would get rid of plain Strawberry and install the Padre stand alone
15:29 szabgab that will give you Padre and Strawberry
15:30 Xaero crap now i have to do it again? :(
15:30 Xaero brb
15:30 szabgab sorry for that
15:30 zenog szabgab: Is there a specific schedule for new Windows packages?
15:31 szabgab Ubuntu also told me I should shut down all the crappy software they installed on my computer so they won't corrupt my data
15:31 szabgab zenog, if you mean the stand alone Padre then it usually comes out every 3 months
15:31 szabgab but CSJewell is the person to nag/ask
15:31 zenog szabgab: "Time left" is an estimate including the installation of the packages.
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15:32 zenog szabgab: I am not too happy with the new Ubuntu either. QA was not so successful (at least for my setup)
15:32 szabgab zenog, don't worry I am just tired and board so I am broadcasting their messages
15:33 zenog jagd: Hi.
15:33 szabgab it finished the first 2 hours of work in about 3 minutes so only 45 min left :-)
15:34 szabgab I guess it sent over the low hanging bits first
15:34 jagd zenog:   Hi.   :D
15:34 szabgab anyway I think I close this IRC client now and sit in the corner waiting till Ubuntu finishes it thing
15:35 szabgab see you on the other end of the upgrade tunel
15:35 puosua Good news: Upgrade to Padre 0.60 on WinXP successfully; Bad news: Help -> Help still shows the same error: "Searched for 'Padre' and failed...", Help -> Search Help F1 still cannot find anything.
15:37 puosua When I "force install Padre", I got the same error message posted at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43182, it just ignore the failure and install 0.60 version.
15:38 puosua Back to the HELP problem i met, it seems someting wrong with docbrowser on WIN32...
15:39 CSJewell szabgab: That's next after the 5.12.0.1 rebuild (which is going to start happening in the next 30-60 minutes).  I'll decide whether it should be 5.10.1 (based off 5.10.1.2) or 5.12.0 (based off 5.12.0.1) in the next 48 hours or so.
15:39 zenog CSJewell: Cool!
15:40 puosua Have to go for dinner. Will come back later and hope to get good tips to fix the strange problem.
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15:47 Hyppolit svn: r11424 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11424
15:47 Hyppolit update German translation, add jagd to the translator list in Padre.pm
15:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:51 zenog If I want to implement some light functionality for LaTeX documents (e.g. knowing the comment character), shall I implement a plugin, or add it to Padre's core functionality?
15:52 jagd this is my question, too
15:54 jagd i am working all the days with latex but not with perl
16:00 zenog Maybe a plug-in is better. If you are a Perl developer doing web applications, you are not at all interested in LaTeX ...
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16:04 jagd i'd like to have a configuration file support,  like .vimrc or .emacs
16:06 jagd so that, i can use the wrapped api, instead direct to manipulate  Wx.
16:07 zenog jagd: What about .padre/config.yml?
16:07 zenog jagd: Or do you mean higher abstractions for plug-in development?
16:08 jagd yes, i mean a  higher abstractions
16:09 jagd let user to create some user-mode plugins
16:09 zenog That'd be great.
16:10 jagd It's only some wrappings and eval
16:11 zenog Is Padre-Plugin-XML a good start for a new mimetype support plugin?
16:37 Xaero did szabgab get stuck in the upgrade tunnel?
16:37 Xaero it's been more than an hour now
16:40 zenog Xaero: Maybe he got interrupted and now he is stuck in the real life tunnel or so ;-)
16:40 Xaero ok then you help me
16:41 Xaero i got strawberryperl but can't find instructions to install padre for it :S
16:41 Xaero ...from cpan
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16:42 zenog Hm. So your cpan executable works?
16:42 zenog I don't use Windows, so all I can do is try to help you with my general Perl knowledge.
16:43 zenog There is this page in the Wiki: http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/DownloadStrawberryPerl
16:44 Xaero thanks for the link, i can never figure out trac
16:45 zenog If following the steps there does not help, please tell us here, so that it can be changed.
16:46 zenog Or change it yourself ;-)
16:48 jagd Hi,   how can one know, that padre will be upgraded? i have no experience
16:48 rindolf jagd: what do you mean?
16:48 jagd sorry
16:52 jagd rindolf: how can i get the Information,  that padre will be updated?
16:53 jagd rindolf: or it releases regular?
16:54 rindolf jagd: there's an RSS feed.
16:57 jagd rindolf:  i subscribe  RSS for 'timeline' and 'tickets'. do you mean these RSSs?
16:57 rindolf jagd: well, the ones on the blog.
16:57 rindolf jagd: or the emails on padre-announce
16:59 rindolf Alias_: http://community.livejournal​.com/shlomif_tech/48713.html - list of FOSS for Windows.
17:01 jagd rindolf: thx
17:02 zenog jagd: Do you mean before or after the release?
17:03 zenog jagd: If you want to be notified before the release, subscribe to padre-dev http://mail.perlide.org/mailman/listinfo/padre-dev
17:03 jagd zenog:   genauer meine ich vor dem Veröffentlichung
17:03 zenog jagd: That's good if you want to ensure that the Chinese translation is up to date.
17:04 zenog The list is not so active, so it doesn't really hurt.
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17:08 Xaero instead of doing the cpan> look Alien::wxWidgets and then the dmake stuff can't I just do install alien::wxwidgets and wx and then padre?
17:08 Xaero would it not work?
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17:15 zenog Xaero: I guess so, I think this refers to older versions of Strawberry Perl
17:15 zenog &
17:17 shadowpaste "Xaero" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "wx!!! It's killing me!" (17 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43195
17:17 Xaero Building Alien-wxWidgets 'D:\Program' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
17:18 zenog Xaero: Have you tried this: perl -MPAR::Dist -e"install_par(q(http://www.strawberryperl.com/downl​oad/padre/Alien-wxWidgets-0.46-MSWi​n32-x86-multi-thread-5.10.1.par))
17:18 zenog ?
17:18 Xaero perl is in C:\strawberry what is it looking at D:\Program files for?
17:18 Xaero nope
17:18 Xaero i have perl 5.12, wouldn't it be a problem if I installed the 5.10.1 stuff?
17:22 Xaero what i don't understand is what does it have to do with the D: drive?
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17:48 kthakore hi
17:48 kthakore anyone around?
17:48 kthakore Sewi: ?
17:49 kthakore anyone?
17:49 kthakore zenog: ?
17:49 kthakore oh well
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17:50 kthakore hi patspam
17:50 kthakore wth?
17:50 kthakore oh well
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17:53 Xaero sup sup kthakore
17:54 kthakore Xaero: can you do this 'drag the mouse on some text and keep the mouse button held down and do ctrl+c"
17:54 kthakore Xaero: on windows and linux
17:54 kthakore the Xthe windows one crashes on trucnk code
17:54 Xaero if it crashes then i don't wanna do it now
17:54 Xaero :P
17:55 Xaero what crashes exactly?
17:55 kthakore padre
17:55 kthakore ahha
17:55 kthakore no message what so ever
17:55 kthakore I can't even find where it crashes
17:55 kthakore I just wanna confrim it
17:55 kthakore so I can make bug report
17:56 Xaero i'm installing padre right now :D
17:56 kthakore Xaero: thanks
17:56 Xaero i'm doing it from about an hour
17:56 kthakore hmm?
17:57 Xaero exactly
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18:13 Xaero ok this is how it ended http://scsys.co.uk:8002/43200
18:13 Xaero i understand failed so what next?
18:14 kthakore Xaero: which os?
18:14 Xaero winxp
18:14 Xaero strawberry perl
18:15 kthakore ok get dmake
18:15 kthakore I don't remeber if there were problems with gmake
18:15 rindolf Hi kthakore
18:15 kthakore rindolf: hi
18:15 rindolf kthakore: what's up?
18:15 kthakore rindolf: do you have the new padre open?
18:15 kthakore rindolf: trying to confirm a bug
18:15 rindolf kthakore: no, I don't.
18:15 rindolf kthakore: I can start it.
18:15 kthakore yay
18:16 rindolf kthakore: after I install it here on MDV Cooker.
18:16 Xaero strawberry perl comes with dmake
18:16 kthakore Xaero: ok then it is using gmake
18:16 kthakore see you paste
18:16 kthakore why?
18:17 kthakore the makefile porbably has problems with gmake
18:17 Xaero oh yeah it comes with gmake too
18:17 kthakore ok
18:17 kthakore Xaero: so which strawberry do you have?
18:17 kthakore 5.10.1 or 5.12?
18:17 Xaero 5.12
18:18 kthakore Xaero: did you install the 5.12 on top of the old 5.10.1?
18:18 Xaero nope
18:18 kthakore crap then I dunno
18:18 kthakore Xaero: bug CSJewell
18:18 kthakore Xaero: sorry
18:18 Xaero np
18:18 rindolf kthakore: OK, I have Padre open - now what do I do?
18:19 kthakore rindolf: can you do this 'drag the mouse on some text and keep the mouse button held down and do ctrl+c"
18:20 rindolf kthakore: nothing happens.
18:20 kthakore crap ...
18:20 rindolf kthakore: I mean - it doesn't crash or anything.
18:20 rindolf padre-0.600.0-1mdv2010.1
18:20 kthakore rindolf: what is you svn count?
18:21 kthakore rindolf: oh this is on trunk
18:21 rindolf kthakore: ah.
18:22 kthakore rindolf: also Games::FrozenBubble 2.201 is out
18:22 rindolf kthakore: OK.
18:22 kthakore rindolf: it will come to cooker after the main dev reviews it
18:22 rindolf kthakore: OK.
18:23 rindolf kthakore: nice.
18:23 kthakore rindolf: that is all that is up for now
18:23 rindolf Though I haven't played Frozen Bubble in a while.
18:23 rindolf kthakore: ah.
18:23 kthakore trying to figure out how to compare 10 thousand record database backups
18:23 kthakore :\
18:23 rindolf kthakore: from different times?
18:23 kthakore ya
18:23 rindolf kthakore: what are you looking for?
18:24 kthakore deletions, inserts and updates
18:24 kthakore I tried DBIx::Compare but it only does the count and it expect seperate DB
18:24 kthakore I have only one server
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18:30 rindolf /dev/sdc1              40G   20G   20G  50% / - OK - time to trim the / partition.
18:32 PerlJam rindolf: why?  It's only 50% full.  :)
18:32 rindolf PerlJam: you're an optimist, right?
18:32 PerlJam only occasionally.
18:32 rindolf Look at the half-empty part of the partition.
18:34 * PerlJam still boggles a little bit at / partitions that are so big.
18:34 rindolf PerlJam: it contains /var and /usr
18:35 rindolf PerlJam: what's up?
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18:36 PerlJam try to turn spaghetti-code into whatever anti-spaghetti-code looks like.
18:36 PerlJam s/try/trying/
18:36 rindolf PerlJam: ah.
18:36 rindolf PerlJam: how is the Spaghetti-code has its Spaghetti nature?
18:37 rindolf OK, removing the old kernels got it down to 49%.
18:37 PerlJam I'm working on some legacy perl that's got tons of globals that are spread across 3 files with what should be logically separate bits having way too much carnal knowledge of each other
18:38 * kthakore hugs PerlJam
18:38 kthakore PerlJam: I feel your agony
18:38 PerlJam I'm adding a feature and my choices were: add another hack (more technical debt)  to get the feature in, or fix the code so that the feature is easy to add.  I chose the latter :)
18:39 kthakore hah
18:39 kthakore yeah
18:39 * rindolf hugs PerlJam too.
18:39 kthakore we went with more techinal debt on frozenbubble
18:39 kthakore PerlJam: we are wussies
18:39 kthakore PerlJam: we are going to do refactoring after it gets officially accpeted by the main dev
18:40 PerlJam kthakore: I may turn into a wuss at some point.  I've got tons to do and 1 month to do it.  this feature is just a minor blip (or should be).  If fixing the code eats too much of my time, I may have to give up and put in the hack  :(
18:41 PerlJam (I've given myself 2 days to decide if I turn into a pumpkin or not)
18:42 kthakore what do you mean by turn into pumpkin?
18:42 shadowpaste "Xaero" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "unable to install alien::wxwidgets" (82 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43204
18:43 kthakore Xaero: is there .err file generated?
18:44 rindolf 1837888 usr/lib/debug - Houston! We have a winner.
18:44 Xaero i dunno
18:44 PerlJam vague cinderella reference.  If, by the end of the day tomorrow, I've figured it's going to eat too much of my time to completely refactor this code, I give up and just do the hack.
18:44 Xaero where do i look for it?
18:44 kthakore Xaero: in the same folder you compiled this
18:44 kthakore rindolf: whut?
18:45 rindolf kthakore: it's what occupies a lot of space on my hard disk.
18:45 kthakore rindolf: ok ...
18:48 rindolf PerlJam: can't you refactor it gradually?
18:48 rindolf PerlJam: and stop at any point?
18:48 PerlJam rindolf: not the way this code is written :-(
18:49 rindolf PerlJam: hmmm....
18:49 kthakore PerlJam: Does it look like http://github.com/kthakore/frozen-bu​bble/tree/redesign/bin/frozen-bubble
18:51 PerlJam kthakore: actually, I think that looks better in many respects.
18:52 kthakore yay
18:52 kthakore PerlJam: that is the after
18:52 kthakore ;)
18:52 kthakore PerlJam: did you see the huge global declare?
18:53 PerlJam yes.  Mine doesn't have quite as many but they change in random places.
18:53 Xaero kthakore no err file
18:53 kthakore PerlJam: oh these change in the most insane places
18:53 kthakore Xaero: hmm ... usually a ld config fail makes an err file
18:54 PerlJam part of the problem with the code I'm dealing with is that there are 3 different data structures that get manipulated depending on what args are passed when really  there should be 1 data structure with multiple views depending on what args are passed.
18:55 Xaero ok then I'll just say, something seriously fooked up, unless someone can tell me how to fix it no padre for me :(
18:55 PerlJam anyway .... padre does help  :)
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18:58 kthakore Xaero: sorry I am at a loss
18:58 Xaero me too
18:58 kthakore Xaero: if you want something that works and is fun
18:58 kthakore Xaero: cpan Games::FrozenBubble !
18:58 kthakore :)
18:58 kthakore Xaero: then frozen-bubble
18:58 kthakore ;)
19:00 Xaero what kinda game is it?
19:00 Xaero on second thought, no thanks, i want to learn perl not play games
19:03 kthakore Xaero: awww
19:03 kthakore Xaero: learn perl making games ;)
19:04 kthakore Xaero: it is a puzzel game and very popilar linux game
19:04 kthakore popualar
19:05 Xaero nope, i've spent the past two days trying to install Wx and have been waiting for over a week to install padre, play time is over for me
19:05 kthakore Xaero: but padre is not play time
19:05 Xaero v0.60
19:05 Xaero yeah but now i got no time to play
19:06 kthakore Xaero: hah i hear ya
19:06 Xaero i have to fix wx or learn to use gtk
19:06 Xaero or perl/tk
19:06 Xaero perl/tk is dead?
19:06 kthakore Xaero: where are you install wx from?
19:06 Xaero cpan
19:07 kthakore Xaero: did you see the bug reports?
19:07 kthakore for Wx?
19:07 Xaero nope
19:08 kthakore Xaero: what version are you using of Wx
19:09 kthakore 0.9071 seems to have worked on windows with 5.12
19:09 Xaero i'm not using wx, i can't get alien::wxwidgets installed
19:09 kthakore ok
19:09 kthakore lets see that one
19:09 kthakore Xaero: maybe an older version will suit you better
19:10 Xaero how do you install an older version?
19:10 Xaero i hope you are familiar with zenity, i want something simple like it for windows and linux, what do i use?
19:10 kthakore Xaero: you do pip http ... the tarbal on the search.copan.org
19:11 Xaero what is pip?
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19:12 kthakore pip http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M​/MB/MBARBON/Alien-wxWidgets-0.50.tar.gz
19:12 kthakore Xaero: ^^ pip will download and install modules as you want
19:12 kthakore Xaero: if you dont have pip do cpan pip
19:13 Xaero but i dunno what modules I want
19:14 kthakore that is the one
19:14 kthakore pip http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M​/MB/MBARBON/Alien-wxWidgets-0.50.tar.gz
19:14 Xaero oh ok :P
19:14 kthakore Xaero: it is an older version of Alien
19:14 kthakore Xaero: np
19:14 Xaero what do I do with this: C:\strawberry\cpan\build\A​lien-wxWidgets-0.51-SbckqQ
19:16 kthakore it should delete it
19:16 Xaero it? or I should?
19:16 kthakore Xaero: pip will
19:16 kthakore Xaero: it will make a new directory
19:17 kthakore just run the pip
19:17 Xaero should I just delete everythin in the cpan folder?
19:17 Xaero nothing installed
19:17 kthakore Xaero: also you don't have Wx install anywhere right?
19:17 kthakore Xaero: if you want but it shouldn't matter
19:20 Xaero i need some rest, thanks for all the help, will continue to wrestle with perl tomorrow
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19:36 puosua back from dinner. Nobody has problem to use "Help" and F1 function with Padre 0.56 or 0.60 on WinXP?
19:43 puosua Glad to know that I'm not the only one to meet the HELP issue, it was posted on 4/18: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2010-04-18#i_2239744
19:49 puosua Wow! It seems the problem exists since 2009, someone raised the same problem on 2009-10-07: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2009-10-07#i_1579189 and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2009-10-07#i_1579492
19:50 puosua Anyway, in my case, both Padre 0.56 and 0.60 versions have the same problem, HELP -> HELP and F1 do nothing useful?
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20:31 puosua Padre 0.6 on WINXP: crash when run "Tools -> Module Tools -> Install CPAN module"
20:33 puosua Padre 0.6 on WINXP: error message "Failed to find your CPAN configuration" when run "Tools -> Module Tools ->  Openl CPAN config file"
20:38 kthakore puosua: did you also find this?
20:38 kthakore puosua: hold the mouse down and ctrl+c crahses?
20:41 puosua kthakore: no, I don't have such problem.
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