Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-05-09

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01:44 szabgab waxhead, could you pls check the new wording on the poll?
01:45 szabgab http://bit.ly/99WCKQ
02:05 Hyppolit svn: r11432 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11432
02:05 Hyppolit new poll added
02:05 Hyppolit trunk/perlide.org/ trunk/perlide.org/polls/ trunk/perlide.org/polls/the-most-important-​features-of-an-employer-or-job-opportunity/
02:10 waxhead szabgab, that's good
02:11 waxhead that's better even...
02:11 szabgab now I need to promote it and get 1000 or so people to answer :-)
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05:24 waxhead woo hoo!!
05:24 Xaero \o/
05:24 waxhead Xaero, hey.. did you get Padre working ?
05:24 Xaero xD no
05:25 waxhead bugger.. still??
05:25 waxhead I see there's a new Wx been released recently...
05:25 Xaero do you think Komodo Edit could be a problem?
05:26 Xaero there's a new version of perl i know, so I'll try again with a new version of both
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07:28 waxhead Xaero, doubt it... komodo edit would be written in c++ I'd say
07:30 Xaero komodo edit is written in python, but what if it was written in c++?
07:33 waxhead really?  It's python??
07:33 waxhead didn't know that!
07:34 Xaero yeah, there's a lot of python out there :(
07:35 waxhead there is...
07:35 waxhead dunno why...
07:35 waxhead not that I have done a lot with it, but I'm not a big fan of it..
07:35 Xaero coz they make it look easy
07:35 waxhead seems that the python community is very active though, the Wx Docs I read are the python ones...
07:36 Xaero and there are tutorials and screencasts for python that even kids learn programming form
07:37 Xaero wxGlade is python, Visualwx uses some python both rad tools and both generate perl code :(
07:38 waxhead go figure...
07:38 Xaero it's a conspiracy
07:40 Xaero wxWidgets 2.8.11: A portable C++ and Python GUI toolkit (http://docs.wxwidgets.org/stable/wx_contents.html)
07:40 Xaero why?
07:40 Xaero there are wx bindings for so many different languages
07:41 Xaero wxperl wiki was spammed and destroyed
07:42 Xaero the http://www.perltk.org/ site only has the first page
07:43 Xaero believe me or not it's a conspiracy!
07:44 waxhead :)
07:45 Xaero perls stronghold is sysadmin and now they are writing books on python for sysadmins and they are saying python is a GLUE language!
07:45 Xaero we gotta do something
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07:55 waxhead hey Steffen
07:55 waxhead seen Alias's work on the new threading code?
07:56 Steffen I saw it at one time. Not sure what he did since.
07:57 Steffen saw and strongly approved, that is.
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07:57 Steffen I think that was the last major subsystem which I wrote that got rewritten. :)
07:58 Steffen Yet I'm pleased. For a learning experiment, it held out pretty well.
07:58 * Alias_ pokes Steffen
07:59 Alias_ If you get a chance, can you review Padre-TaskRewrite to discover why it's behaving wrongly?
07:59 Alias_ I sent an email I think
07:59 Alias_ All Wx events arrive only when the thread exits
07:59 Steffen I'll have to do my taxes today.
07:59 Steffen Ouch.
08:00 Steffen Taxes first, then programming. No promises, though. Forms make me want to go up the wall.
08:00 Alias_ Any time
08:00 Alias_ But I'm blocked till it's solved...
08:00 Alias_ Leaving for 1-2 week US trip in a few days, so no urgency at all
08:01 Steffen Also, don't expect magic from me. I haven't worked on this kind of stuff in a long time.
08:01 Alias_ Sure, but you are the next link in the expert chain
08:01 Alias_ And if you can't handle it, it goes onwards to Mattias or something
08:01 * Alias_ bed
08:01 Alias_ later
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11:02 Steffen Alias, I just had a *quick* look and couldn't find an obvious problem. Also, all the normal background-tasks work as expected in the branch.
11:28 Steffen Alias: Hmm. Annoying. Is there a particular reason why PPI::Transform->apply takes a PPI::Document and not a PPI::Node?
12:01 Steffen Also annoying: $ppielem->insert_before($anotherelem) doesn't seem to work.
12:01 Steffen At least not in a find() callback.
12:03 Steffen Oooh. Is the second argument to the callback a clone of the element?
12:03 Steffen That would explain why in-place modification isn't reflected.
12:45 Hyppolit #947: [XML plugin] toggle comment only works 50% (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/947 ]
12:54 Hyppolit svn: r11433 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11433
12:54 Hyppolit fix toggle comment feature
12:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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13:46 zenog_ moin
13:46 zenog_ I would like to upload the LaTeX plugin to CPAN.
13:47 zenog_ Is there anything I have to be particularly careful with?
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14:06 zenog_ Hi Xaero
14:06 Xaero \o/
14:14 kthakore Xaero: worked?
14:15 Xaero didn't try it yet, I'm going to try it with the new version of perl in a while
14:15 kthakore ok
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14:34 johaBBa hello. is anyone using padre on debian lenny? or centos 5.4/rhel 5.5?
14:35 szabgab johaBBa, probabaly
14:35 szabgab but they might not be around
14:35 szabgab I never know the names of Debian, which one is Lenny?
14:35 johaBBa it is the current stable. 5.0.x
14:36 johaBBa i just came from "My First Perl" course...
14:36 szabgab oh
14:36 johaBBa i have been using latest padre at home, but work only has debian stable and centos/redhaty
14:36 szabgab installation of Padre on older systems is not yet a piece of cake
14:37 johaBBa indeed. i have been trying for about 3 hours now.
14:37 szabgab I would use local::lib
14:37 szabgab but wait, is the system perl threaded there?
14:37 johaBBa i don't understand...
14:37 johaBBa on lenny i think it is yes
14:38 johaBBa i don't understand 'user local::lib'
14:38 szabgab let me check if we have instructions
14:38 johaBBa ok. :)
14:38 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu
14:39 szabgab but it is not beginner friendly either
14:39 johaBBa i'm not a linux or debian beginner. just a perl beginner...i'll take a look.
14:39 szabgab yeah, but you asked what is local::lib
14:40 johaBBa ah...yes.
14:40 szabgab and there we have just the name
14:40 szabgab now I added a link too
14:40 johaBBa sweet!
14:41 johaBBa i'll try that now
14:41 szabgab try those instructions "Installation from CPAN"
14:41 szabgab and let us know if you have any question, someone might be around to help you out and maybe even fix that page
14:41 szabgab I'll have to go soon
14:42 johaBBa will do.
14:42 johaBBa thanks for the help!
14:42 szabgab you are welcome
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15:04 johaBBa so far http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu is working for debian lenny. I am building/installing Wx from cpan now
15:05 johaBBa amd64 btw
15:05 Xaero good luck then
15:08 johaBBa bah. cpan Padre fails with Found wxWidgets 2.8.7. needs at least version 2.8.8
15:08 johaBBa is there a way to get Padre one version back in cpan?
15:08 zenog_ johaBBa: Please tell us what you experience with Debian, so that we can update http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadDebian
15:08 Xaero are you installing wx or padre?
15:09 johaBBa Wx finished
15:09 zenog_ You can get the newest wxWidgets with cpan Alien::wxWidgets
15:09 johaBBa i'm using debian stable btw
15:09 Xaero 2.8.10
15:10 johaBBa i'll try cpan Alien::wxWidgets
15:10 johaBBa i was following the ubuntu steps and using local::lib without root access
15:10 Xaero crap, i'm am still getting the same error :(
15:11 zenog_ http://search.cpan.org/dist​/Alien-wxWidgets/README.txt
15:11 johaBBa cpan Alien::wxWidgets says it am up to date
15:11 Xaero i remove activeperl and have a fresh install of strawberry
15:11 zenog_ johaBBa: I am not an expert on that, but maybe you could remove the wxWidgets installed by apt (at least the development files)
15:12 zenog_ Then Alien::wxWidgets should get the latest version and build it etc.
15:12 johaBBa ok.
15:12 zenog_ (again, this is just a guess)
15:13 johaBBa i'll try it. i think i am very close to getting it to work
15:13 Xaero lucky you :(
15:13 johaBBa worst case scenario i'll have to use 0.54 or something
15:13 shadowpaste "Xaero" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Failed Alien::wxWidgets" (2150 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43312
15:14 Xaero it did say this at the beginning: Could not find or check module 'IPC::Run' [THIS MAY BE A PROBLEM!] at C:/strawberry/perl/lib/IPC/Cmd.pm line 124
15:15 Xaero I need a break, bbiab
15:17 Steffen Xaero, indeed. Having IPC::Run is a win on win32.
15:17 Steffen Though 'm not sure how you arrived at your problem.
15:18 Steffen (And not in a position to help much with Windows issues, either.)
15:19 johaBBa ok...no debian stable wx* packages. deleted ~/perl5 and ~/.cpan. i'll start again.
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15:45 Xaero who is the strawberry wiz?
15:46 Xaero strawberry comes with IPC::Run3, installing IPC::Run won't be a problem right?
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17:45 johaBBa yay!
17:45 johaBBa i think i have Padre installed on debian stable
17:48 Xaero that was quick
17:48 Xaero I've been trying for over 2 weeks now :(
17:48 johaBBa well, i'm not using windows.
17:48 Xaero that might be the reason :P
17:49 Xaero i guess you are not using 5.12.0.1 either
17:49 johaBBa you like headaches, eh?
17:49 Xaero nope, i just dunno nothing about compiling stuff
17:49 Xaero this is the first time I am doing it
17:50 Xaero i heard upgrading perl is a problem so I'm trying to get the newest working version so I can go without upgrading for quite sometime
17:51 Xaero I get: dmake:  Error code 130, while making 'all', any idea what error code 130 stands for?
17:51 johaBBa does anyone know if the padre-vi plugin is in CPAN as well?
17:51 johaBBa Xaero, sry. i've only used GNU make or cmake.
17:52 Xaero i get the same error with gmake too I believe
17:52 johaBBa and i don't do windows.
17:53 Xaero which version of Wx did you install?
17:53 johaBBa 2.8.10
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23:46 johaBBa can someone help me with installing local::lib? i can install  Acme::Time::Baby with cpan and non-root account, but Alien::wxWidgets still tries to install to /usr/local/lib/perl
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