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IRC log for #padre, 2010-05-21

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09:22 waxhead anyone have any reason not to roll out a release tonight?
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11:22 zenog waxhead: nope
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12:20 Hyppolit svn: r11487 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11487
12:20 Hyppolit Change file updated for release 0.62 - The Kartic Thakore Release.
12:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
12:28 Hyppolit svn: r11488 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11488
12:28 Hyppolit tidy for release 0.62
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/Outline/
12:33 Hyppolit svn: r11489 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11489
12:33 Hyppolit version bump to 0.62
12:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/
12:47 szabgab waxhead_, we can see you doing things!
12:48 waxhead_ yep...
12:48 waxhead_ nearly done with the release...
12:50 waxhead_ szabgab, just pip'ing the Padre tar ball for 0.62.. will check the crash thing just quickly and will then tag the release... I can't test windows tonight.. will ping you when ready
12:58 Hyppolit svn: r11490 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11490
12:58 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.62
12:58 Hyppolit tags/
13:00 waxhead_ szabgab, do you have time to test it?
13:00 waxhead_ I don't have a windows box to test install tonight
13:00 szabgab doing it now
13:00 waxhead_ anyone with a windows box handy and wants to test installing 0.62?
13:02 szabgab http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.62.tar.gz
13:03 szabgab Ubuntu tested well
13:04 waxhead_ yep.. first OS that gets tested is that one...
13:04 szabgab launching Windows now
13:04 waxhead_ I really must get around to setting up the VM for windows on this laptop
13:04 waxhead_ szabgab, thanks!! :)
13:05 * waxhead_ is sitting in bed, so no interested in getting up to turn on the windows machine
13:06 szabgab serious software, the release manager runs it from bed :-)
13:07 waxhead_ sure does...
13:08 waxhead_ wow.. email gets out quick... hopefully the windows install works
13:10 szabgab it is installing dependencies now
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13:11 waxhead_ hey [Sno]
13:12 [Sno] hey waxhead
13:12 waxhead_ it better work.. I've already set all the web changes and the like.. :)
13:12 waxhead_ had the topic change set up but deleted just in case
13:12 szabgab irc tagline ?
13:12 szabgab :)
13:12 waxhead_ yeah
13:12 szabgab crap
13:13 waxhead_ what?
13:13 szabgab I ran out of chocolate
13:13 waxhead_ that's not funny!
13:13 szabgab :)
13:13 Topic for #padreis now "Latest Padre is 0.62, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001"
13:13 * Sewi wanted to do something for Padre again :-)
13:13 szabgab Sewi++
13:14 Hyppolit svn: r11491 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11491
13:14 Hyppolit Added "To be released" after the release is done.
13:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
13:14 Sewi szabgab: http://www.milka.de
13:14 waxhead_ awww... I wanted to see if I could do a release where I didn't forget something!
13:14 waxhead_ :)
13:15 waxhead_ I haven't uploaded it yet either... still waiting on szabgab to see if it loads OK on windows... or if we have to wait for the chocolate supply
13:16 szabgab waxhead++ # all tests successful  on Windows
13:16 Sewi szabgab++; # for testing
13:16 waxhead_ saaaweet!
13:16 szabgab can I now shut down Windows?
13:17 waxhead_ szabgab, sure can...
13:17 waxhead_ thanks
13:17 waxhead_ szabgab++ for saving me getting out of bed to test windows install
13:17 szabgab Installing update 1 out of 4 ...
13:19 waxhead_ ouch.. been a while since you last turned it on?
13:19 Xaero there's a list of ide's over here: http://www.cpan.org/ports/#linux, doesn't list padre :(
13:21 szabgab Xaero, the windows and Mac parts list Padre already
13:21 szabgab I can ask Jarkko to add Padre there too but do you think it is that important?
13:21 Xaero oh yeah :P, didn't see that
13:22 Xaero i think so, you can't expect linux users to go look for ide's available for windows
13:22 Xaero and it's a huge list
13:23 Xaero suprisingly doesn't list a port for ARM processors :-s
13:24 waxhead_ szabgab, do you use the svn plugin much?
13:24 waxhead_ oh.. you're using git now aren't you?
13:24 szabgab I use both svn and git but not the plugins in Padre
13:24 szabgab I am just too command line bound
13:25 szabgab and actually in the last 2-3 months I hardly did any work
13:25 szabgab mostly wrote text
13:25 szabgab and tons of e-mails
13:28 daxim and travelling
13:29 Hyppolit svn: r11492 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11492
13:29 Hyppolit updated web links
13:29 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
13:29 waxhead_ yeah.. you've been busy lately...
13:30 waxhead_ that's fine.. someone makes changes to the plugin, I just need to get around to packaging it up and putting it on cpan
13:31 waxhead_ I've been working on the SQL plugin, I'm not sure it's heading in the direction you had in mind with it though
13:40 * Sewi is using the SVN plugin all day
13:40 waxhead_ Sewi, have you tried the blame/log lately?
13:41 Sewi no, mostly commit, add and rarly revert
13:41 waxhead_ I put the output into a tree control based on revision numbers...
13:41 waxhead_ fair enough..
13:41 waxhead_ might be time to release a new version...
13:42 Sewi Looks nice as of r11380
13:42 Hyppolit Changeset #11380 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11380
13:42 waxhead_ see how the weekend pans out... got the kids and it's pretty busy on the weekends they are here...
13:43 waxhead_ I really need to sit down and get my head around testing though..
13:44 waxhead_ it's one of the reasons I joined in with Padre... hoping to learn more by osmosis...
13:44 waxhead_ I have chromatic's book on testing too...
13:44 waxhead_ might read it while waiting at hockey training...
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13:47 waxhead__ flamin NIC...
13:48 Xaero um..
13:48 Xaero do you need to have the svn client installed to use the svn plugin?
13:49 Sewi yes
13:49 Xaero which one?
13:49 Sewi Which OS?
13:49 Xaero win
13:49 waxhead__ Xaero, on windows go to the tigris web site and grab the windows command line binaries
13:49 Sewi Don't know,sorry
13:50 waxhead__ you have to actually run the svn command line client  to 'cache' you username password... after that the plugin works
13:50 waxhead__ the problem is the plugin itself is just basiclaly 'shelling out' to the svn command line tools
13:50 Xaero do you guys have one client installeds for each of the vcs's?
13:50 Xaero cvs,svn,git,...?
13:50 waxhead__ it's not a full blown lib implemenation like tortise is
13:51 waxhead__ I'm on linux
13:51 Xaero i like commandline
13:51 Sewi Xaero: No, I simply don't use git or anything else.
13:51 waxhead__ so I just apt-get install svn
13:51 szabgab guy what do you think are the most important things missing in padre?
13:51 waxhead__ I also don't use git.. just svn for now
13:51 szabgab s/guy/ppl/
13:51 Xaero wxFormBuilder is missing
13:51 waxhead__ fully functioning debgger
13:52 Xaero Alias told he would be making one :P
13:52 Sewi Apache mod_perl remote debugging
13:52 szabgab Xaero, what is that?
13:52 Xaero it's like glade for wx
13:52 waxhead__ szabgab, like the form designer in Visual studio
13:52 szabgab ok
13:53 szabgab hey waxhead is here :-)
13:53 szabgab there is a wxGlade
13:53 waxhead indeed.. :)
13:54 szabgab oh I see there is an existing project called wxformbuilder
13:54 szabgab does it generate code or XML ?
13:54 waxhead I also think we need to understand the AUI stuff better, so we can get floating or dockable toolbars for plugins
13:54 waxhead and also the IDE needs to have a place to things like the debugger to put a 'watch' window
13:55 szabgab any DBIx::Class user here btw ?
13:55 * waxhead used VS at work a lot for C#
13:55 * Sewi waves
13:55 Xaero what is AGUI?
13:55 waxhead s/used/uses/
13:55 Xaero i dunno what it does, alias said he would be doing something like wxGlade
13:55 waxhead did I say AGUI?
13:55 Sewi szabgab: I wrote a little wrapper object for DBIx::Class to simplify usage
13:55 Xaero "<@waxhead> I also think we need to understand the AUI stuff better..."
13:56 waxhead Sewi, a wrapper on a wrapper for dbi? :)
13:56 szabgab have you ppl used CodeCharge ?
13:56 waxhead Xaero, AUI is the advanced User Interface stuff for Wx
13:56 Xaero like the zenity like module for Wx :P
13:56 szabgab it is some tool that can look at a database and build various form for its table
13:56 waxhead it's whats needed for multiple toolbars
13:57 szabgab Xaero, we have started that zenity thing a long time ago
13:57 Sewi DBIx::Class, yes. No need to write these $where_did_i_store_my_schema_h​andler->resultset('foo')->... stuff unless it's really needed. Just my $obj = Project::Object->new($id);
13:57 szabgab and it is stuck in the code base now
13:57 Xaero yeah saw that on cpan, nice to have it simple
13:57 szabgab if you have the time/energy to make it work that would be coooool
13:57 Xaero lol me? I haven't yet had time to read learning perl :P
13:58 Sewi waxhead: It includes DB connection handling and caching for mod_perl
13:58 Xaero after that i'll try
13:58 waxhead your wrapper?
13:58 szabgab Xaero, it is well known you cant read perl, so just write some code :-)
13:58 waxhead that's neat..
13:58 Sewi Xaero: I didn't read it, too and I'm adding bugs to Padre, too :-)
13:58 waxhead haha...
13:59 Sewi waxhead: It's more like a mod_perl based framework which includes the wrapper. I didn't like catalyst for few reasons
13:59 waxhead Curtis is doing an awesome job with strawberry perl at the moment
13:59 waxhead Sewi, I keep trying to find a reason to do cat stuff.. but never can
13:59 Xaero i've only tried perl one liners so far, very limited perl experience :(
14:00 Xaero if you need some non coding help then I can try
14:00 waxhead I really should move to blogs.perl.org
14:00 waxhead vox's editor is bugging me big time
14:00 Xaero where is your blog right now?
14:00 waxhead Xaero, you have to start somewhere...
14:00 waxhead http://perlwannabe.vox.com
14:00 Sewi waxhead: I wanted to have a multi-domain, multi-project framework which takes care of DB connections, templates, sessioning and things like this.
14:01 waxhead Sewi, so you're mostly working with web stuff then?
14:01 Xaero 0.62 released?!
14:01 Xaero when?
14:01 Sewi Padre is my first and only non-web-app (not counting the endless number of commandline-based small helper scripts)
14:02 szabgab Xaero, an hour ago :-)
14:02 waxhead Xaero, tonight.. about 30 minutes ago
14:02 Sewi lol
14:02 waxhead it has to ripple around the cpan mirrors before you see it
14:02 Sewi Seems time is passing faster in .il than in .au :-)
14:02 Xaero how do I update? cpan>upgrade Padre?
14:02 szabgab Xaero, we could do a lot with documentation and translation if you know some other language
14:03 waxhead Sewi, I'm about the same with perl.. most of my work with it is the T in ETL... other web work was actually PerlScript in ASP Classic...
14:03 szabgab Xaero, pip http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.62.tar.gz
14:03 waxhead Xaero, yes if you want to wait for Padre to hit your cpan mirror
14:04 Xaero i only know english, and haven't really used padre since I installed it, I haven't even had time to send the email to wxperl mailing list you asked me to do
14:04 waxhead or as szabgab has shown you.. you can use pip to upgrade it
14:04 Sewi Or use svn?
14:04 Sewi svn?
14:04 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/DownloadRepository
14:04 Sewi here it is :-)
14:04 * waxhead uses trunk all the time
14:04 Sewi word svn?
14:04 szabgab Xaero, well, we don't need Eglish translation :-)
14:05 szabgab or maybe I do :-)
14:05 Xaero ok :P
14:05 Sewi szabgab: We don't have one. :-) Just Australian
14:05 kthakore hi Sewi \o
14:05 Sewi hi kthakore
14:05 waxhead hey kthakore...
14:05 waxhead check the logs...
14:05 kthakore waxhead: do you put the fixes in changes?
14:05 szabgab but we could use a lot of QA time
14:05 kthakore waxhead: me?
14:05 szabgab just using Padre and checking what works what does not
14:06 kthakore waxhead: svn log or scrollback
14:06 szabgab going over the bugs in trac seeing if old bugs are still there or not
14:06 waxhead kthakore, http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2010-05-21#i_2353129
14:07 szabgab I was thinking on how to try to enlarge the Padre community a bit
14:07 waxhead kthakore, http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2010-05-21#i_2353130
14:07 szabgab for example we could send out requests for people to do QA for padre
14:07 waxhead szabgab, build it and they will come...
14:07 szabgab in exchange we would help them learn Perl
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14:08 waxhead well you did build it and we did come...
14:08 kthakore waxhead: it is Kartik btw
14:08 waxhead oh for goodness sake.. really?
14:08 waxhead man alive..
14:08 kthakore waxhead: awesome now Padre will be part of my companies too
14:08 waxhead I spelt Steffen's name wrong over and over
14:08 kthakore waxhead: heheh its ok
14:09 szabgab kthakore, that's great but what does that really mean ?
14:09 waxhead you can bet on two things now I reckon.. I'll always forget something when doing a release, and I'll spell your name wrong
14:09 szabgab I thought you are the only user in your company
14:09 szabgab so making it company standard is, well,
14:09 kthakore szabgab: that means it will be used in my team (3-4) forever even after I am gone
14:09 waxhead kthakore, I even went to the trouble of trying to find your name to spell it right...
14:10 kthakore waxhead: where did you get kartic?
14:10 szabgab oh, they will hate you forever :-)
14:10 Sewi kthakore: So we need you to roam around companies making Padre standard everywhere :-)
14:10 kthakore Sewi: sure
14:10 szabgab we need a press release from your company
14:10 waxhead kthakore, http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/, but that doesn't mean it's spelt incorrectly there.. I likely can't type or read
14:10 kthakore Sewi: although they will stay wth 0.62
14:10 szabgab actually I think we should really interview the decision maker about this
14:11 szabgab kthakore, would that be possible?
14:11 Xaero page needs to be updated i guess: http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
14:11 kthakore szabgab: hah I doubt that it will be like The Bank of Canada saying they use winZIP in an official press releases
14:11 kthakore szabgab: no I don't think so sorry
14:12 kthakore szabgab: the company is very darconian about what tools they use
14:12 szabgab are you really in the Bank of Canada?
14:12 kthakore szabgab: similar but not taht
14:12 kthakore that
14:12 waxhead ok.. time for sleep
14:12 waxhead night all
14:14 kthakore ok back to work
14:40 El_Che http://blogs.perl.org/users/doubi/20​10/05/introduction-and-api-spec.html
14:40 El_Che that is freaking exiting
14:41 El_Che (not that have the time to do anything with it nowadays :(, still pretty cool)
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15:38 Hyppolit svn: r11493 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11493
15:38 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
15:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:48 Sewi szabgab: The most annoying thing atm is Padre response time: Press Ctrl+F or Ctrl+G and start typing: The first chars go to the editor window into your source until the window pops up - but I don't really know how to fix it
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16:08 Hyppolit svn: r11494 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11494
16:08 Hyppolit Add sub new autodetection and autocomplete
16:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
16:10 Hyppolit svn: r11495 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11495
16:10 Hyppolit Update TODO
16:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
16:18 szabgab Sewi, yeah, that's annoying me as well
16:18 szabgab is this always or only on the first time you fdo it?
16:27 Sewi No, depends on current CPU workload
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