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00:44 garu hey guys! just so you know (in case someone cares :P), I'll find the time to update the Catalyst and Mojolicious plugins to the new Task API sometime next week
00:47 garu Alias++
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01:03 kthakore_haitus garu: sure you will ;)
01:07 Hyppolit svn: r11526 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11526
01:07 Hyppolit Starting to clean up the outline task to move it closer to the recommended usage
01:07 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/​lib/Padre/Task/HTTPClient/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite​/lib/Padre/Task2/Outline/
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01:15 Alias zenog: The reason that the outline task looks the same on the Task 2.0 branch is that you've put all the Wx manipulation stuff into the task
01:15 Alias zenog: Under the new model, what you want to do instead is leave all the Wx manipulation code in the Wx object itself and just have the task finish push the outline data structure at it
01:16 Alias That way the task never has to have any dependency on anything Wx related
01:16 Alias I've started refactoring it a bit
01:16 Alias I've also got a few more API changes coming, which I'll cover later
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02:37 Hyppolit svn: r11527 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11527
02:37 Hyppolit Adding the task_request shortcut
02:37 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/
03:33 Hyppolit svn: r11528 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11528
03:33 Hyppolit More refactoring to the owner/functionlist task stuff.
03:33 Hyppolit
03:33 Hyppolit Now we can have a generic Padre::Task2::FunctionList task, with a document type specific one living at Padre::Document::Perl::FunctionList (and the code inlined).
03:33 Hyppolit
03:33 Hyppolit Because the task is more focused and doesn't need to load the entire document type any more, the thread should be faster and smaller.
03:33 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Document/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite​/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/
03:38 Hyppolit svn: r11529 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11529
03:38 Hyppolit Remove pointless dependency
03:38 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
03:41 Hyppolit svn: r11530 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11530
03:41 Hyppolit Wrap an update lock around the function list refresh
03:41 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/
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04:26 * Alias looks at the outline code and shakes his head a little
04:26 Alias This needs some attention
04:41 * Alias rips things up
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05:27 Hyppolit svn: r11531 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11531
05:27 Hyppolit First attempt to move the outline code to the new task model.
05:27 Hyppolit
05:27 Hyppolit Still buggy as hell.
05:27 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite​/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/
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05:53 Sewi gm
05:53 Xaero o/
05:53 Alias \o
05:54 * Alias is ripping the guts out of the outline tool
06:03 Hyppolit svn: r11532 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11532
06:03 Hyppolit Removed the old outline task code.
06:03 Hyppolit
06:03 Hyppolit Use a much cheaper length-based method for detecting content change than the old Encode + MD5 one.
06:03 Hyppolit
06:03 Hyppolit Removed the get_outline method from Padre::Document::Perl as it is no longer useful
06:03 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Document/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite​/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:05 Hyppolit svn: r11533 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11533
06:05 Hyppolit Disable the caching code for now, as the new outline task is much faster.
06:05 Hyppolit
06:05 Hyppolit Remove the private Freeze/Thaw code in the widget and use the locking subsystem instead.
06:05 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:06 Alias \o/
06:06 Alias Done, outline fully converted to Task 2.0
06:06 Alias That just leaves syntax checker and a few other bits and pieces
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06:21 Hyppolit svn: r11534 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11534
06:21 Hyppolit Update Perl::Dist::Padre version to 0.620 (installs Padre 0.62)
06:21 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
06:24 Hyppolit svn: r11535 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11535
06:24 Hyppolit 1) File::Slurp and Task::Weaken are now in Strawberry, so no need to install them here.
06:24 Hyppolit
06:24 Hyppolit 2) Will need fixed Perl::Dist::WiX that will be released soon.
06:24 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
06:26 Hyppolit svn: r11536 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11536
06:26 Hyppolit Updating building directions.
06:26 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/
06:27 Hyppolit svn: r11537 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11537
06:27 Hyppolit Don't need this file anymore to get a sane .html copy of the code.
06:27 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/
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06:47 Hyppolit svn: r11538 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11538
06:47 Hyppolit Meant 0.62 (at least for the moment) and not 0.61.
06:47 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
07:07 CSJewell Looks like the 0.62 .msi is building fine... but since 0.63 is expected quickly, I'll wait for it.
07:07 CSJewell (before releasing, I mean)
07:08 Xaero are you packaging Padre in a msi?
07:09 CSJewell Yes, I am...
07:10 szabgab CSJewell, great
07:10 szabgab do you ETA for Strawberry Professional as well ?
07:12 CSJewell No ETA for a release version of Professional as of yet. (actually waiting on some stuff that Alias wants to add to Strawberry and then extract, so that we actually have a good graphical pod viewer and CPAN client.)
07:12 CSJewell s/Strawberry/Padre/
07:13 szabgab so you are still waiting on Padre development for the professional?
07:13 CSJewell yes.
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07:13 szabgab Alias, what is that you still want to add ?
07:14 szabgab Let's put together a list of items in our trac that need to be done for the Professional to go out
07:14 szabgab even a milestone .
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07:45 waxhead evening all
07:45 waxhead release in 2 hours
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08:01 Sewi waxhead: What happend? That outline issue?
08:02 waxhead zenog, fixed it..
08:02 waxhead but it seems that adam has rewritten it anyway for task2
09:05 zenog waxhead: I rewrote Outline yesterday for task2.
09:06 zenog waxhead: Actually, there was not much rewriting involved. I just removed code that could also be removed from the normal Task::Outline, iirc.
09:07 zenog waxhead: (reading the IRC log ...) ah, Alias did some more stuff there ...
09:15 zenog Nice to see so much action in the trac timeline ;-)
09:16 zenog Alias: Good idea to move the Outline/FunctionList stuff to the Document hierarchy!
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09:52 Server2003 who moved my cheese!
09:52 Server2003 installed a new box, and did a cpan Padre install - 0.62
09:53 Server2003 last time i had padre.exe in c:\strawberry\perl\bin
09:53 Server2003 and now... (ok, so i found it)
09:54 Server2003 i notice that its not resitered padre as the editor for .pl files
10:09 daxim xdg-mime default padre application/x-perl   # only if everything would be so easy...
10:10 Server2003 giggle
10:11 Server2003 i thought that it used to, so wonder if something broke in the last um, 6months since i last persuaded myself to install windows
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10:17 Alias_ Outline rewrite is pretty much finished
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10:53 Adam_ yo
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11:24 Getty its really amazing.... if people write php code its really nearly impossible for them to not introduce security problems
11:24 Getty found a security bug in the reference implementation of clickandbuy php showcase
11:24 Getty awesome.. just awesome...
11:24 Getty and even a evil one, SQL injection at its best
11:25 Sewi Sure, this is what people call "PHP"
11:25 Getty hehe yeah
11:25 Getty Pure Horrible Pest
11:25 Sewi PHP isn't bad by itself, it's bad because of the way people use it.
11:26 szabgab Perl isn't bad by itself, it's bad because of the way people use it.
11:26 * szabgab hides
11:26 kentnl PHP isn't bad by itself, its bad because people use it.
11:26 Sewi szabgab: It's harder to create insecure code in Perl than in PHP, expecially with use strict; warnings;
11:27 Sewi szabgab: And it's even harder with DBIx::Class :-)
11:28 szabgab I am in hiding :-)
11:29 Sewi Yeah, but you forgot to comment out "use visible;" :-_)
11:29 Sewi :-)
11:32 Getty Sewi: php is itself bad, but i dont startup listing, you should know yourself ;)
11:33 Getty Sewi: there are tons of flaws
11:34 kentnl *cough* register globals *cough*
11:41 Sewi for (split(/\&/,$ENV{QUERY_STRING})) { ($k,$v) = split(/\=/); eval('$'.$k.'="'.$v.'"'); } :-)
11:44 szabgab you know guys, whatever you say about PHP, I think when I am in a python group and they start saying similar bad things about perl
11:44 szabgab regardless of truth or not in the content
11:45 szabgab and there are plenty of bad things in Perl
11:45 szabgab as in other languages as well
11:46 Sewi Sure, they are. But I didn't see nearly as much bad Perl source like I saw bad PHP source :-)
11:47 szabgab Sewi, I can show you a lot :)
11:47 szabgab I have been consulting a number of security focused companies that have embedded SQL no placeholder
11:48 szabgab SELECT * FROM users WHERE id=$id;
11:48 Sewi cool :-)
11:52 waxhead howdy...
11:52 waxhead sorry it's late...
11:53 waxhead szabgab, the security companies code is like that?
11:53 waxhead it's hard to practice what you preach :)
11:55 waxhead Right for a release.. any issues anyone wants to hold up for?
11:56 Hyppolit svn: r11539 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11539
11:56 Hyppolit Ready for release 0.63
11:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:58 kentnl szabgab: yes, but as opposed to PHP, Perl has good points
11:58 kentnl its actually *possible* to do something good with it
11:59 Hyppolit svn: r11540 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11540
11:59 Hyppolit version bump to 0.63
11:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/
11:59 szabgab what I am saying is that while we bash PHP here "among us" people hear that and can get turned off from our community
12:00 szabgab That's one of my biggest issues with Python
12:00 szabgab not the language itself but how I hear the people talk about Perl
12:00 Sewi I noticed that on CeBit :-)
12:01 daxim who are you chiding here? the python people?
12:01 szabgab daxim, I am not sure I get it
12:02 Sewi I don't say that PHP is bad by itself. There may be guys writing good, safe and secure PHP code.
12:02 szabgab no, I am sure I did not :)
12:03 Sewi But many people who don't know how to write a script (in terms of structure, clean code and understanding what it does/should do), do this in PHP.
12:11 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "failing tests..." (19 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44335
12:18 waxhead oh.. to see that error set RELEASE_TESTING=1  and do an install by the looks of it.
12:24 waxhead szabgab, ping
12:24 waxhead ing.. ing.. ing...
12:24 Hyppolit svn: r11541 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11541
12:24 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.63
12:24 Hyppolit tags/
12:25 waxhead anyone want to test the next release?
12:25 waxhead pip install it...
12:26 waxhead installs and works fine on Unbuntu 10.04
12:27 Hyppolit svn: r11542 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11542
12:27 Hyppolit post release update
12:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
12:29 waxhead anyone???
12:29 waxhead any windows users ?
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12:41 _waxhead installed fine on vista.. works no crashing..
12:41 _waxhead I'm going to upload this release to pause..
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12:47 waxhead release has entered pause...
12:47 waxhead that's me done..
12:47 waxhead night everyone
12:54 zenog waxhead: Thank you for doing the release, as always!
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13:31 Hyppolit svn: r11543 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11543
13:31 Hyppolit Various tweaks and renaming.
13:31 Hyppolit
13:31 Hyppolit Converted the open resource dialog to use the new Task API
13:31 Hyppolit branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/t/lib/Padre/
13:31 Alias_ One more down, half a dozen to gho
13:40 zenog Alias_: I don't want to interrupt you, but the Outline window remains empty for me - haven't found the cause yet (in the Task2 branch).
13:42 Alias_ ok
13:42 szabgab pip http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.63.tar.gz
13:43 daxim let's see whether this actually works
13:43 daxim it does not
13:44 daxim Could not fetch authors/id/L/LO/LOCAL/CHECKSUMS.gz
13:44 daxim Unknown object L/LO/LOCAL/Padre-0.63.tar.gz
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13:49 szabgab hmm it worked for me
13:49 szabgab so far every time I tried
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14:30 kthakore_haitus win 2
14:44 Alias_ daxim: Not sure why it's not working for you
14:44 kthakore_haitus Alias_: I think daxim just had a stroke
14:44 Alias_ say what now?
14:45 kthakore_haitus yeah
14:45 kthakore_haitus see this
14:45 Alias_ errr, zenog rather
14:45 Alias_ zenog: Dunno why it doesn't work for you
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14:45 kthakore_haitus 14:39 < daxim> it's not complete until HUGLAGHALGHALGHAL
14:45 kthakore_haitus Alias_: ^^
14:46 shadowpaste "daxim" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "pip http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.63.tar.gz" (88 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44340
14:46 daxim I'll paste the whole thing
14:46 Alias_ it's ok
14:46 Alias_ I didn't mean to talk to you :)
14:46 Alias_ thinko :)
14:47 kthakore_haitus daxim: you are ALIVE? great ...
14:47 daxim while I catch you alive and awake - you announced File::HomeDir 0.90 - but it's not on cpan
14:47 daxim what gives?
14:47 kthakore_haitus Alias_: yeah wanted to ask you that too
14:47 Alias_ er...
14:48 kthakore_haitus Alias_: need help releasing? I am doing SDL an Alien::SDL right now too
14:48 Alias_ not really, bots do most of the work for me
14:48 kthakore_haitus Alias_: there are bots that do this JUNK!
14:48 kthakore_haitus Alias_:  I have been doing this manually like a cave man
14:48 * kthakore_haitus facepalms
14:49 daxim fool
14:49 Alias_ I built but didn't upload apparently
14:49 Alias_ pip http://svn.ali.as/cpan/relea​ses/File-HomeDir-0.91.tar.gz
14:49 Alias_ has been there since the announcement
14:49 Alias_ How do you think I manage 200 dists?
14:49 Alias_ perl release.pl --install --commit Module::Name
14:49 Alias_ Which spits out a URL
14:49 Alias_ Which I paste into a Firefox shortcut "release $url"
14:50 Alias_ That expands into the equivalent URL to the pause upload form
14:50 kthakore_haitus Acan I steal this?
14:50 daxim this homebrew stuff?
14:50 Alias_ Maaaaybe
14:50 Alias_ It's homebrew
14:50 Alias_ It's somewhat tied to my repository structure
14:50 kthakore_haitus please please please
14:50 daxim fool
14:50 Alias_ It's all available
14:50 kthakore_haitus I hate this so releasing stuff so much
14:50 kthakore_haitus daxim: thanks that is helpfull
14:50 kthakore_haitus daxim: :p
14:51 Alias_ http://svn.ali.as/cpan/tools/release.pl
14:51 Alias_ You're welcome to steal and then tailor it for your own homebrew
14:51 kthakore_haitus awesome
14:51 kthakore_haitus thanks man
14:51 Alias_ You probably want to remove the commit phase
14:52 Alias_ And you'll need to tweak it here and there
14:52 daxim release systems that are used by more than one person: ShipIt, Dist::Zilla
14:52 kthakore_haitus hmm ... gotta change this for git and Build.PL
14:52 Alias_ Those are also homebrew
14:52 kthakore_haitus daxim: ^^
14:52 Alias_ But the authors decided to go for glory and release it :)
14:52 Alias_ Almost everyone with 100+ distros has rolled their own automation to one degree or another
14:53 Alias_ Some of them just decided to generalise and release out of habit
14:53 Alias_ Mine does some somewhat unusual things, so I decided against it
14:53 Alias_ Like commiting the tarballs back into the repo
14:53 Alias_ Which gives me the URL thing
14:53 daxim that's why cloning you takes a day and a half
14:54 Alias_ :)
14:54 Alias_ https://pause.perl.org/pause/authenquery?HID​DENNAME=ADAMK&amp;CAN_MULTIPART=0&amp;pause9​9_add_uri_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsvn.ali.as%2Fcpan​%2Freleases%2FFile-HomeDir-0.91.tar.gz&amp;S​UBMIT_pause99_add_uri_uri=+Upload+this+URL+
14:54 Alias_ Tailor that, btw for the firefox "release" quicksearch thing
14:54 Alias_ daxim: You can, of course, just clone trunk ... :)
14:54 Alias_ Which will still take a while, just not quite as long
14:55 Alias_ Very rarely does anyone checkout the entire versioning filesystem other than me
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15:37 Hyppolit svn: r11544 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11544
15:37 Hyppolit Update to 0.63.
15:37 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
15:39 Hyppolit svn: r11545 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11545
15:39 Hyppolit Updating version in Padre template.
15:39 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/share/
15:50 Hyppolit svn: r11546 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11546
15:50 Hyppolit Forgot to add new requirements.
15:50 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
15:51 CSJewell Even *I* have automation (using Module::Release), and I only have 10 dists or so.
15:51 kthakore_haitus CSJewell: what are you using?
15:52 CSJewell kthakore_hiatus: Module::Release, Module::Release::CSJEWELL (which does some things that I want to do, or that apply to Alias' repo) and my own script to control the modules.
15:54 CSJewell http://strawberry.pastebin.com/FrU0UF8M is the script.
15:56 kthakore_haitus CSJewell: cool thanks
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16:53 Hyppolit svn: r11547 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11547
16:53 Hyppolit Padre's tests pass, so no need to force.
16:53 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
16:53 Hyppolit svn: r11548 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11548
16:53 Hyppolit Apparently Strawberry installs Params::Util, so no need to do it here.
16:53 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
16:55 CSJewell Well, building the Padre .msi one more time, then I'll go and test it (see if it installs, uninstalls, etc.) in a different VM before I go and release it.
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17:26 Hyppolit #957: Syntax Check should use perl interpreter given in Preferences (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/957 ]
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17:57 Xaero is 0.63 uploaded to cpan already?
17:57 Xaero i did reload index and upgrade padre it says it's up to date :-s
17:58 szabgab Xaero, it takes time till it gets to your mirror
17:58 szabgab and there are mirrors that are very out of date
17:58 Xaero ok, thanks
17:58 Xaero i'll try tomorrow then
17:58 szabgab sure
18:25 El_Che http://padre-ide.de/blog/?p=132
18:25 El_Che do we need to start a language fight? :)
18:28 Xaero it looks like this: http://i49.tinypic.com/29zpmdg.png
18:28 Xaero is it supposed to look like that?
18:37 El_Che same here
18:37 Xaero btw, you blog is running on PHP :P
18:39 El_Che it's not mine, but idd :)
18:40 Xaero whose blog is it then?
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18:59 szabgab Xaero, that's the blog of Sewi :-)
18:59 szabgab and I am not that happy about it :-()
19:03 Hyppolit svn: r11549 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11549
19:03 Hyppolit keep zh-cn translation updated
19:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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19:24 Sewi Sorry, I deleted the blog post
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19:33 szabgab oh Sewi , I think I thank you :)
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19:39 rindolf Hi all.
19:42 szabgab rindolf, thanks for the announcement
19:43 rindolf szabgab: you're welcome.
19:43 rindolf szabgab: on Freshmeat, right?
20:42 CSJewell brb. Gotta reboot.
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