Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-06-07

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03:35 mib_yn1ypx any padre gurus on here
03:36 mib_yn1ypx i wanted to contribte to padre in dev
03:37 mib_yn1ypx i builded the padre from source sucessfully!
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04:56 Sewi Hi all
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07:06 azawawi hi * :)
07:06 Xaero o/
07:06 * azawawi is updating his ubuntu vm again :)
07:07 Xaero are you running windows?
07:07 azawawi yeah
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07:07 Xaero do you know if running perl in a linux vm is faster than running perl on windows directly?
07:07 azawawi kinda tough if you want to make the new STD.pm6 :)
07:08 azawawi actually cpan-ing feels faster on on linux vm than win32
07:09 azawawi s/on on/on
07:10 azawawi sometimes faster... but not always
07:11 azawawi Xaero: what are working on atm?
07:12 Xaero what am i working on?
07:12 Xaero you mean which OS?
07:13 Xaero winxp sp3
07:19 azawawi in Padre :)
07:19 Xaero i'm not working on padre, i'm still working on learning perl5 :P
07:19 Xaero i would rather learn perl6 but looks like it's not going to get here anytime soon
07:23 azawawi it will :)
07:23 Xaero any guess on how long?
07:24 azawawi It should have been here by spring...  but from the commit rate at pugs repo. i guess pretty soon.
07:24 Xaero mortiz lenz said "by Christmas, but not this Christmas" so 1.5yrs at a minimum, but maximum :-s ???
07:25 Xaero pugs is in development again? i though everyone moved to Rakudo
07:25 azawawi pugs repo gets STD.pm and viv updates (Larry)
07:26 azawawi Perl 6 plugin is simply using STD.pmc (STD.pm in Perl 6 translated to Perl 5)
07:26 Xaero pugs is the one being written in Haskell right?
07:26 azawawi yeah it is really active but a lot of Perl 6 projects are there
07:26 azawawi s/it is/it is not/
07:26 azawawi pugs = repository now for other Perl 6 projects...
07:27 azawawi pugs development is stalled...
07:27 Xaero yeah read about that
07:27 azawawi cool
07:27 sorear azawawi!  I've been waiting for you
07:28 sorear rumor has it I've broken Padre's STD interface
07:28 azawawi i tried to hide :)
07:28 sorear yeah, you were completely missing when I wanted to tell you I debitrotted STD_syntax_hilight
07:28 azawawi everything can be fixed eventually... im actually working on it
07:29 azawawi sorear: i saw your changes :)
07:29 azawawi sorear: STD_syntax_highlight is a separate thing than what Padre Perl 6 plugin is using
07:29 sorear also, "spring" means Q2, Mar 01 to Jun 31
07:29 sorear we haven't missed the mark yet.
07:30 azawawi sorear: spring ends here fast. it is already getting hot here :)
07:30 Xaero is perl 6 going to be complete this year itself?
07:30 sorear no
07:30 sorear perl 6 is never going to be complete
07:30 Xaero then when?
07:30 azawawi sorear: btw, i get strange encode utf8 errors while trying to make STD
07:31 Xaero i mean release 1
07:31 sorear azawawi: I fixed that a couple hours ago
07:31 sorear Xaero: release 1 was 9 years ago
07:31 Xaero i mean perl6.0
07:31 sorear everything done from 2001 to now is perl6.0
07:32 sorear there are no arbitrary milestones.  sorry.
07:32 sorear I can make guesses on when the 10,000th commit to rakudo will happen, though
07:33 Xaero ok, in other words when will work on perl6.0.0.1 start?
07:33 Xaero 6.0.0.1 or newer
07:34 sorear You'd be better served asking about a specific feature.
07:35 sorear Perl 6.0.0 is theoretically going to happen when Rakudo, or any competitor thereof, meets the specifications... which are also changing
07:35 sorear I agree, it's not an ideal state of affairs
07:35 Xaero if it keeps changing like that it will never complete and we'll all still be using perl5
07:36 Xaero but the way perl6 stuff is getting into perl5 is nice too
07:36 azawawi Xaero: the cool thing is that perl5 is taking features from Perl 6 so it is a win-win situation :)
07:36 Xaero yeah, so i guess i'll learn perl5 anyway
07:37 azawawi sorear: the encode utf8 error?
07:38 Sewi Hi azawawi
07:38 azawawi hi Sewi  :)
07:38 sorear azawawi: yes
07:39 azawawi sorear: cool trying it on feather.perl6.nl right now
07:39 * azawawi takes a look at the svn logs
07:39 sorear so, I've overhauled the STD build system
07:39 sorear finanalyst informs me that there are Difficulties here
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07:40 azawawi sorear: cool but it is still unix-based not cross-platform...
07:40 azawawi sorear: if we can fix the build system to be run by all common perl platform, that would be great
07:41 azawawi sorear: besides this means I can automate S:H:P6 (Syntax::Highlight::Perl6) building/testing process even further.
07:42 azawawi sorear: i also had a plan to make S:H:P6 and refactor
07:42 azawawi sorear: Perl6::Refactor to be based on viv
07:42 sorear "to be run by all common perl platform" ELANGUAGEGAP
07:42 sorear are you saying to replace the Makefile with Perl?
07:42 azawawi sorear: yup
07:43 azawawi sorear: something like rakudo's
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07:45 sorear uhm... rakudo uses make(1)
07:46 azawawi yeah something like it :)
07:47 azawawi sorear: what about the used-only-once warnings  in make std ?
07:48 azawawi http://pastebin.ca/1878296
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08:26 Hyppolit svn: r11557 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11557
08:26 Hyppolit [Perl6] Updated copy_std.pl to copy CursorBase.pmc
08:26 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/
08:28 sorear azawawi: not bugs
08:30 azawawi sorear: what about "Deep recursion on subroutine "Class::MOP::Class::class_precedence_list" at /usr/lib/perl5/Class/MOP/Class.pm line 555." while doing "./std CORE.setting"
08:30 sorear azawawi: WONTFIX from the Moose people; I'm undecided on whether we want a workaround
08:30 azawawi sorear: hehe :)
08:31 sorear their reaction to "Moose warns when I nest classes several hundred deep" was the predictable "don't do that, then"
08:32 sorear but the perl 5 is a temporary thing anyways
08:32 sorear STD is flying; the gimme5 bootstrap has been kicked out from underneath us
08:32 Hyppolit svn: r11558 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11558
08:32 Hyppolit [Perl6] Updated to latest STD.pm6 r31158. sorear++
08:32 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/
08:32 sorear I'm working with diakopter++ to port viv to .NET
08:34 azawawi cool then i could port it back to Java :)
08:34 azawawi for speed?
08:34 azawawi or interoperability...?
08:37 sorear a bit of both
08:37 sorear also, for stressing the code generator
08:38 sorear when I say
08:38 sorear when I say "port" I actually mean "retarget"; viv will remain in perl
08:38 azawawi i see
08:39 azawawi nice
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08:54 waxhead azawawi, long time no see!!!
08:54 waxhead welcome back!  :)
08:55 waxhead just in time for the Alias breakage that's about to hit trunk... ;)
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09:09 azawawi Alias_: hi_there_ :)
09:09 azawawi hi waxhead
09:13 Alias_ \o
09:13 Xaero o/
09:18 Hyppolit svn: r11559 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11559
09:18 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Updated Changes
09:18 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/
09:20 Hyppolit svn: r11560 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11560
09:20 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Bumped version to 0.81 for the quick CPAN release
09:20 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/Syntax/Highlight/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/script/
09:23 azawawi Alias_: did you start with the Task2-rewrite merge or not?
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13:56 abraxxa hi
13:57 abraxxa 0.63 still fails 15-locale.t test #7 here on ubuntu 10.04 64bit
13:57 Hyppolit #7: setup mailing lists (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/7#comment:4 ]
13:58 abraxxa the problem seems to be in sub rfc4646 in Padre::Locale
13:59 abraxxa maybe because de-at is missing in the %RFC4646 hash
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