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jq: Pong |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11569 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11569 |
| 02:42 |
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Hyppolit |
The ErrorList view has been upgraded to the new View API, and (mostly) to the new task API. |
| 02:42 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Action/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/t/ |
| 02:44 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11570 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11570 |
| 02:44 |
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Hyppolit |
Noting why bits are incomplete |
| 02:44 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ |
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user_8554 |
hi folks |
| 03:55 |
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Alias |
hi |
| 03:57 |
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user_8554 |
any guys from padre dev team |
| 03:57 |
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Alias |
Yes |
| 03:57 |
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Alias |
This is a all in one mixed channel |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
Dev channel + support channel + user chat |
| 03:58 |
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user_8554 |
i was interested in contributing to padre |
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user_8554 |
downloaded the padre source from svn and had a nightmare with wxwidgets but finally got the bild working |
| 03:58 |
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user_8554 |
build* |
| 03:58 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11571 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11571 |
| 03:58 |
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Hyppolit |
Adding LWP dependency to the core. |
| 03:58 |
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Hyppolit |
Nobody has a good reason for multi-mechanism driver tactics. |
| 03:58 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/ |
| 03:59 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11572 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11572 |
| 03:59 |
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Hyppolit |
Completed the migration of the background HTTP request tasks to the new Task 2.0 API |
| 03:59 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 04:00 |
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user_8554 |
any startup guide with architecture would help me to get started |
| 04:00 |
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Alias |
What kind of stuff are you interested in? |
| 04:01 |
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user_8554 |
in devloping or writing a fix also write some automated cases for smoke |
| 04:01 |
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Alias |
Well for the testing side of it, Padre is just a normal CPAN distribution |
| 04:02 |
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Alias |
So if you look through the family of tests in /t/ you should be able to steal the technique from a test that does similar things to what you want to do |
| 04:02 |
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Alias |
That's the "t" directory, if that didn't render right for you |
| 04:02 |
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user_8554 |
ok |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
Second, start up the checkout version with "perl dev.pl" |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
And turn on the Padre Developer Plugin |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
That gives you some toys so you can start looking at the internals of the live running Padre instance |
| 04:04 |
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user_8554 |
ok alias u meant .../Padre/t directory correct ? |
| 04:04 |
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user_8554 |
ok |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
And screw around with it |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
Correct |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
The repository trunk contains a set of distributions |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
With /Padre/ being the distro for the core editor |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
And the others being some support modules we made in the process of writing the editor, various plugins in all kinds of different states (some live, some dead, some never worked at all) |
| 04:06 |
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Alias |
One of the more interesting tools you might want to do is "Dump Top IDE Object" |
| 04:06 |
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Alias |
That gives you the entire Perl structure of the running IDE |
| 04:09 |
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user_8554 |
i guess the developer plugins is enabled by default i we got a build from source ? |
| 04:09 |
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user_8554 |
ok |
| 04:09 |
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user_8554 |
great thanks Alias |
| 04:09 |
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Alias |
It's installed by default, but not enabled |
| 04:10 |
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user_8554 |
ok |
| 04:10 |
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Alias |
waxhead: I'm now down to three or things left to migrate to Task 2.0, when do you want to do the 0.64 release so I can merge to trunk? |
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* Alias |
afk |
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jq |
Alias: cf the mail i sent you |
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* Alias |
opens mail for the first time todaty |
| 07:25 |
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Alias |
Interesting |
| 07:25 |
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Alias |
Config vs data is problematic |
| 07:25 |
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jq |
why? |
| 07:25 |
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Alias |
On Windows, the idea that you've EVER edit a config file yourself is rediculous |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
You'd |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
So in that sense, the application is just storing config, which really makes it treatable as "data" |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
And who cares if it's mixed in with other types of data |
| 07:26 |
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jq |
indeed, and the config can also go in the registry |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
Right |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
The user should never have to care |
| 07:27 |
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jq |
so, what to do? |
| 07:27 |
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jq |
my_config() returns my_data() on windows? |
| 07:27 |
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Alias |
On Linux, there's value to the separation because you don't want to store a billion cache files and config files in the same place |
| 07:27 |
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Alias |
I really don't know |
| 07:28 |
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Alias |
I REALLY REALLY don't want to put anything in File::HomeDir that is our guess at correctness |
| 07:28 |
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Alias |
Everything so far is 100% to spec |
| 07:28 |
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Alias |
Which is why the FreeDesktop stuff only landed very recently |
| 07:28 |
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Alias |
I wasn't game to half-ass it |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
The my_dist_data concept as you propose doesn't REALLY violate that too far |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
Because "data" -> "vendor" -> "product" holds |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
Which seems to be the primary pattern |
| 07:30 |
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jq |
do you think it should go in another dist? |
| 07:30 |
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Alias |
my_config is a bigger problem |
| 07:30 |
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Alias |
I don't see a compelling reason to have it separate |
| 07:31 |
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jq |
me neither, but i prefer asking the question *now* :) |
| 07:31 |
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Alias |
There's no extra dependencies, and now we support FreeDesktop it's fairly reasonable for us to make the call that we can just mandate $HOME/.perl by fiat |
| 07:31 |
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Alias |
(for the plain Unix driver) |
| 07:32 |
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Alias |
(since it's not only the absense of a standard, but also the absense of any potential future standard) |
| 07:32 |
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Alias |
absence |
| 07:32 |
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Alias |
blah |
| 07:33 |
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jq |
so, to summarize: my_dist_data() is ok as is for you, my_dist_config() needs more thoughts |
| 07:33 |
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Alias |
Anything to do with config needs more thought |
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| 07:33 |
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Alias |
If we're assuming config implies human-editable |
| 07:33 |
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azawawi |
hello |
| 07:34 |
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Xaero |
o/ |
| 07:34 |
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Alias |
Probably need to read the freedesktop spec again to see how they differentiate |
| 07:34 |
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azawawi |
human-editable? :) |
| 07:34 |
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jq |
btw. in the doc, you wrote "the module tries extensively to make sure that directory exists" (or sthg like that) |
| 07:34 |
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Xaero |
are you guys discussing about padre? |
| 07:34 |
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jq |
==> do you think we should create the directory? |
| 07:34 |
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Alias |
Xaero: File::HomeDir |
| 07:34 |
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jq |
Xaero: nope, about file::homedir |
| 07:34 |
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Alias |
jq: Different meaning |
| 07:34 |
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Alias |
jq: "If the module returns a path, it will exist and you don't need to test -e yourself" |
| 07:34 |
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Alias |
jq: Otherwise, it returns undef |
| 07:35 |
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jq |
right. my_dist_data() doesn't do that |
| 07:35 |
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Alias |
On some platforms, that's a little non-trivial |
| 07:35 |
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Alias |
On Windows, the directory won't exist until you make the system call to ask if it exists, and Windows creates it on the fly |
| 07:35 |
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jq |
ie, it's pretty guaranteed that the dir won't exist when called for the first time |
| 07:35 |
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Alias |
yeah, that's a new twist |
| 07:36 |
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Alias |
You also haven't covered the dist vs module problem |
| 07:36 |
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Alias |
See File::ShareDir |
| 07:36 |
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jq |
since i'm at it... would you accept me to patch file::homedir to accept parms during loading to return path::class objects? |
| 07:36 |
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Alias |
Wouldn't that be a global change in behaviour? |
| 07:37 |
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jq |
eg: "user File::HomeDir returns=>'Path::Class';" (or whatever) |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
That's probably a bad idea |
| 07:37 |
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jq |
no, by default it returns regular string |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
File::HomeDir could easily have multiple things calling it |
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Alias |
Your code ----> HomeDir <---- Some other module |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
Action at a distance etc etc |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
Plus it would mean more dependencies, and threaten a future migration to the core |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
(Unless Path::Class is core...) |
| 07:38 |
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jq |
ok, i take that as a "not now" answer ;-) |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
That part almost sounds better as a different dist |
| 07:39 |
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Alias |
File::HomeDir::PathClass (for example) |
| 07:39 |
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Alias |
Which would be a lookalike API that just does a pass-through |
| 07:39 |
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Alias |
You could even method-scan normal homedir to work out which shims to create |
| 07:39 |
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azawawi |
Alias: any eta on the task2-rewrite merge? |
| 07:40 |
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jq |
Alias: ok, so can you take some time to think about my_dist_config()? |
| 07:40 |
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Alias |
azawawi: 1. I've got 3 things left to migrate (SyntaxChecker, DocBrowser and PPI-based transforms) |
| 07:40 |
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Alias |
azawawi: 2. waxhead hasn't done his "final" 0.64 release yet |
| 07:40 |
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jq |
we'll discuss it later when you'll have some time to think about it |
| 07:40 |
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Alias |
jq: Sure |
| 07:41 |
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Alias |
azawawi: I'm pretty close now though |
| 07:42 |
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Alias |
I just detoured to rewrite the way tools and panels are done, which has made it easier |
| 07:42 |
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Alias |
I figured since we're breaking every plugin already, we should probably sneak in any other minor stuff that would break lots of plugins |
| 07:42 |
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azawawi |
Alias: thx for the update |
| 07:42 |
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Alias |
Lots of commits landing though, so making good headway |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
And Padre still seems to work just fine |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
Maybe some scalar leaking to readdress |
| 07:43 |
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azawawi |
Alias: I needed that info to migrate to Task2 API for Perl6 plugin |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
And I've regressed a few minor features for the moment |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
You use outline right? |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
Big changes there |
| 07:44 |
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Alias |
Outline is well and truly finished, so if you wanted to start migrating the Perl 6 plugin now would be a reasonable time to start |
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Alias |
I'm happy enough with the APIs, just slogging through the last of the migration |
| 07:44 |
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Alias |
Well, almost happy enough |
| 07:44 |
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Alias |
Maybe a few small class naming tweaks |
| 08:08 |
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waxhead |
Alias, I'll send out an email tonight asking for translations etc. Do a release firday night, paving the way for the weekend to do the merge... |
| 08:08 |
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waxhead |
how does that sound? |
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waxhead |
I'm running padre under the branch at hte moment.. |
| 08:20 |
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waxhead |
I'll try and take a look at what's left and have a go at getting it migrated.. cooking dinner at the moment though |
| 08:21 |
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azawawi |
Alias: I think we need some kind of a padre project file. (e.g. define PERLLIB, pick Perl 5/6 interpreter, etc...) |
| 08:22 |
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azawawi |
Alias: i know we can figure out some stuff from Makefile.PL and META.yml, ..etc but that's 100% correct |
| 08:22 |
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azawawi |
Alias: im just thinking. Ignore it if you're busy :) |
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Alias_ |
Sorry, been fiddling with projector |
| 08:26 |
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Alias_ |
"project file"? |
| 08:26 |
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Alias_ |
We kind of already do |
| 08:26 |
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Xaero |
ah right! did you get a new cable yet? |
| 08:27 |
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Alias_ |
Different problem |
| 08:27 |
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Alias_ |
Horizontal banding, as if part of the LCD lost input |
| 08:27 |
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Alias_ |
Rather scary |
| 08:27 |
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Alias_ |
Turned away for 15 minutes to find and read the warranty and when I look back it's gone |
| 08:27 |
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Alias_ |
Slightly more scarier |
| 08:28 |
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Xaero |
what happened? the projector not working? |
| 08:29 |
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jq |
Alias: when you have an idea regarding my_dist_config(), can you reply by mail please? |
| 08:30 |
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Alias_ |
Temporarily not working, worse |
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waxhead |
Alias_, email sent to the dev list... we'll go with 0.64 on friday night, then you're free to do what you like to trunk over the weekend.. |
| 09:29 |
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Alias_ |
ok |
| 09:41 |
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waxhead |
I honestly expected to see Padre in the heavy 100... |
| 09:49 |
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Alias_ |
It is |
| 09:49 |
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Alias_ |
Well, it was |
| 09:56 |
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waxhead |
I'm poking around the Task2 stuff... I have no idea where to start... :-/ |
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* waxhead |
goes back to looking at the code |
| 09:59 |
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Alias_ |
Padre made it as high as 90th |
| 09:59 |
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Xaero |
on what? |
| 10:00 |
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Alias_ |
On the Heavy 100 list |
| 10:00 |
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Xaero |
what is that? |
| 10:00 |
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Alias_ |
The 100 modules with the highest number of dependencies |
| 10:00 |
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Alias_ |
See http://ali.as/top100 |
| 10:01 |
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Alias_ |
waxhead: Padre is now about 20 dependencies outside of the top 100 |
| 10:01 |
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Alias_ |
Although I just re-added LWP as a dep on my branch, so I expect we'll be closing that gap a bit |
| 10:03 |
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Alias_ |
hrm |
| 10:04 |
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Alias_ |
Looks like DBIx::Class just added Moose as a dependency |
| 10:04 |
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Alias_ |
Which means Padre is immune from the dependency bump |
| 10:04 |
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Alias_ |
So we're now about 40 dependencies outside the top 100 |
| 10:05 |
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Xaero |
i thought it would be good to compare after reads the jobs newsgropup, so i make http://i46.tinypic.com/29e1yc6.png :P |
| 10:09 |
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Alias_ |
There's a mistake in that graph |
| 10:09 |
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Xaero |
? |
| 10:11 |
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Alias_ |
You've use two different graph types for data with a similar nature |
| 10:11 |
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Alias_ |
The bar graph is an error, it should be a line |
| 10:11 |
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Alias_ |
Although admittedly there is higher variation in the bars |
| 10:11 |
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Alias_ |
Maybe you could smooth it |
| 10:12 |
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Alias_ |
In fact, ignore me |
| 10:12 |
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Alias_ |
I see why you did it |
| 10:12 |
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Xaero |
the line graph for jobs looks as scary as hell, i tried smoothing too, it would need more than 6 of smoothing for it to be smooth |
| 10:17 |
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Alias_ |
Scary because it's jagged? |
| 10:17 |
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Xaero |
it looks more like noise |
| 10:21 |
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Alias_ |
fair enough |
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Alias_ |
waxhead: The Task2 stuff will probably make more sense once all the tasks are migrated, and I've had time to write more documentation |
| 10:54 |
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Alias_ |
Although, tbh, it's designed to be easy to use as a task writer, not so much to understand the deeper internals |
| 10:55 |
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Alias_ |
They are fairly elegantly written, but rather complicated to understand |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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Xaero |
o/ |
| 14:01 |
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rindolf |
Hi Xaero |
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Sewi |
Hi rindolf |
| 14:01 |
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Sewi |
Are you from AU, too? |
| 14:01 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: no. |
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rindolf |
Sewi: I'm from .il. |
| 14:01 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: like szabgab |
| 14:04 |
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Alias_ |
Bloody hell it's cold |
| 14:04 |
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Alias_ |
Although by Sydney standards, that's 10c |
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Xaero |
10C? "Bloody hell it's cold" is justified then |
| 14:14 |
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Sewi |
Alias: We got around 30 here today... |
| 14:18 |
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Alias_ |
30 is "nice and warm" |
| 14:18 |
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Alias_ |
Now 40, 40 is "hot" |
| 14:20 |
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Alias_ |
Turns out quite a few people in Sydney die from the cold each year |
| 14:20 |
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Alias_ |
Because none of the houses are insulated against the cold properly, and nobody owns proper cold weather gear |
| 14:21 |
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Alias_ |
I lost my nice warm English jacket a few years ago :( |
| 14:21 |
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Alias_ |
Fortunately, I now have an awesome Icelandic jacket :) |
| 14:22 |
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Xaero |
newspaper works just as well is what I hear |
| 14:23 |
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* sjn |
notes that Alias_ thinks 40 is hot :) |
| 14:23 |
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Alias_ |
sjn: Of course, 45 is "bloody hot" |
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sjn |
there we go |
| 14:24 |
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Alias_ |
Which I note is also the point at which road tar starts to melt :) |
| 14:24 |
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* sjn |
sends alias the letters M, I, L and F :) |
| 14:24 |
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Alias_ |
heh |
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Xaero |
Alias, what was the problem with the heavy100 dependencies thingy everyone is talking about? |
| 14:26 |
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Xaero |
is it fixed now? |
| 14:26 |
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Alias_ |
Turns out that DBIx::Class just added Moose as a dependency |
| 14:27 |
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Alias_ |
And the Top 100 is overrepresented with big database-driven apps |
| 14:27 |
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Alias_ |
Moose is not exactly light-weight when it comes to deps |
| 14:33 |
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Sewi |
42 Deps is not really lightweight :-) |
| 14:33 |
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* Xaero |
moos |
| 14:34 |
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Sewi |
DBIx::Class 131 - must be more than Padre |
| 14:34 |
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Xaero |
one thing I always wondered about, is there anyone in here who is not a professional developer? |
| 14:36 |
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Sewi |
Sure, Zenog is student |
| 14:37 |
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Xaero |
but he is learning programming in school/college, right? and will be a pro someday? |
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Sewi |
don't know |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11573 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11573 |
| 15:47 |
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Hyppolit |
Completed the migration of the syntax checker to the Task 2.0 API |
| 15:47 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Document/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Task2/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/lib/Padre/Wx/ branches/Padre-TaskRewrite/t/ |
| 15:47 |
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Right, that's one more done |
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Took a shitload longer than I expected |
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Down to just a few bits and pieces now |
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gn8 alias |
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I am a bit busy at LinuxTag, could someone please fix the download page to point to the new Strawberry + Padre? |
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