Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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06:40 Hyppolit svn: r11766 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11766
06:40 Hyppolit Action refactoring - Step 1
06:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/xt/
06:42 Hyppolit svn: r11767 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11767
06:42 Hyppolit Action refactoring - Step 2
06:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/
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06:51 szabgab Alias, good afternoon
06:51 Hyppolit svn: r11768 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11768
06:51 Hyppolit Action refactoring - Step 3
06:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/ trunk/Padre/xt/
06:51 szabgab tests are failing...
06:51 Alias I'm not finished yet
06:51 szabgab they have been failing for 20 or so commits now :(
06:52 Alias oh?
06:52 * Alias runs the tests
06:58 Hyppolit svn: r11769 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11769
06:58 Hyppolit Action refactoring - Step 4
06:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
06:58 szabgab Alias, the smoke tests fail
06:58 Alias I know, I'm looking at it
07:05 Hyppolit svn: r11770 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11770
07:05 Hyppolit I hate myself, but add Padre::CPAN to badcode.t
07:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
07:06 Hyppolit svn: r11771 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11771
07:06 Hyppolit Remove class that no longer exists
07:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
07:13 szabgab interesting solution :)
07:17 Hyppolit svn: r11772 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11772
07:17 Hyppolit Cleaning up various xt tests
07:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
07:19 Alias I think that should probably be enough
07:23 Hyppolit svn: r11773 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11773
07:23 Hyppolit Noting the move away from Wx::Perl::Dialog
07:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:24 Alias szabgab, now that Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder is starting to mature a bit more, I plan to make a full scale assault on Wx::Perl::Dialog generators
07:24 szabgab nice
07:28 Alias OK, all tests pass for me now
07:28 Alias It was mostly stuff like copyright and newlines
07:28 szabgab you can subscribe to the commit mailing list and then get the test reports as well from the smoker
07:29 szabgab or I might add some code to the smoker to paste its error here
07:29 Alias That would be better
07:30 Alias I don't read emails in real-time
07:30 Alias I tend to check them a couple of times a day
07:30 szabgab I'll take a look at that later
07:30 * szabgab adding it TODO list
07:34 Hyppolit svn: r11774 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11774
07:34 Hyppolit Trivial simplification
07:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:37 Hyppolit svn: r11775 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11775
07:37 Hyppolit The double-bracing can look weird, change to separating by a hyphon instead
07:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
07:40 Alias hrm
07:41 Alias In order to show the native language format in the View menu, do we really have to load every single translation?
07:45 Alias I wonder how memory-expensive that is
07:56 Hyppolit svn: r11776 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11776
07:56 Hyppolit - Use a hyphen to a separate the current vs native names of the languages
07:57 Hyppolit in the View menu, as the bracing looked weird with the bracing of some
07:57 Hyppolit of the languages themselves (ADAMK)
07:57 Hyppolit - Don't show a additional translated string for the language that is
07:57 Hyppolit currently active (ADAMK)
07:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
07:57 Alias szabgab, regarding your comment "I don't know how I feel about getting Hebrew by default"
07:57 Alias szabgab, do you think we should use a special dedicated dialog for that situation?
07:58 szabgab what I know is that in Israel many people use "Hebrew enabled windows" and hardly know any Hebrew
07:58 szabgab but that's what the shops install
07:58 Alias Where there is no explicit language preference in the config, and we start with the auto-magic choice of the system language (which isn't English), should we do a dialog that asks "Would you like to keep using Hebrew, or switch to English"
07:59 szabgab I also have Win 7 on my netbook and it is in Hebew
07:59 Alias And make the dialog ask in both Hebrew and English at the same time
07:59 szabgab probably
07:59 Alias Maybe we can make that a flag in the locale object
07:59 szabgab let's not put flags
07:59 Alias What I mean is...
07:59 Alias Some places, the use of that language may be obvious
07:59 szabgab that will get us into various political troubles
08:00 szabgab and not only in .il
08:00 szabgab also in .cn .tw
08:00 Alias But would we ask the question for ALL non-English language? Or just the ones with ask => 1 set in the Padre::Locale definition for the language
08:00 szabgab we might just default to English everywhere
08:01 Alias I prefer the defaulting to non-English
08:01 Alias As a mark of respect to the people of those countries
08:01 Alias But I agree, we need to have some kind of trivially easy way to avoid the resulting problems
08:02 Alias Lets imagine we got an American translation
08:02 Alias In those situations, you'd never ask American English vs British
08:03 Alias You'd just trust it
08:03 Alias In other languages, different story
08:03 Alias Maybe we should ask people
08:03 Alias Maybe in Brazil they prefer not to ask... but there's expats in all sorts of different places...
08:03 szabgab so maybe special case the US one
08:03 szabgab or the other english ones
08:03 Alias Hence the ask => 1
08:03 Alias But I agree, there might be political issues
08:04 Alias And I'm more than happy to avoid them if needed
08:04 Alias So referse the flag
08:04 Alias trust => 1
08:04 Alias But it can wait if needed
08:04 Alias Maybe we should spam the mailing list?
08:04 szabgab padre-dev ?
08:04 szabgab sure , go ahead
08:05 Alias We also don't have a language selection dialog atm
08:05 Alias This is the kind of thing that the open usability consulting could help a lot with
08:06 Hyppolit svn: r11777 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11777
08:06 Hyppolit Someone typo'ed 0 as o :)
08:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:09 * Alias wonders if he should tackle the Preferences dialog as a test case for FormBuilder
08:10 szabgab so far I have not contacted any of them as you wanted me to wait, even though I think this is a long process anyway
08:10 szabgab so maybe we should start it
08:11 Alias Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder has progressed faster than I expected
08:11 Alias I think it is at a point now where we can actually do layout design separate to functionality
08:11 Alias Or if not, I can make the needed upgrades in a few days
08:12 szabgab ok, so I send them an e-mail asking them if there is any interest on their side to help us
08:12 Alias yup
08:12 Alias I'm going to build the more complex replacement dialogs in a sub-class fashion
08:13 Alias So the layout code is completely separate to the functional code
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08:33 Hyppolit svn: r11778 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11778
08:33 Hyppolit Moving some of the simple dialogs back out of ::Main as a role, so that other major dialogs can use them directly instead of always having to find their way back to ->main
08:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:35 Hyppolit svn: r11779 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11779
08:35 Hyppolit Moved the single and multiple choice dialogs out into the dialog role
08:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:43 Hyppolit svn: r11780 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11780
08:43 Hyppolit Improved POD examples
08:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:57 Hyppolit svn: r11781 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11781
08:57 Hyppolit multi_choice now uses an actual MultiChoiceDialog
08:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:57 Alias Wow the default internal Wx single and multi-choice dialogs suck on Windows
09:00 Alias szabgab, Padre's second birthday is coming up
09:00 Alias szabgab, you might want to plan a birthday weekend hackathon like last year
09:00 Alias Help bring people back into the codebase again
09:00 szabgab did that work out last year?
09:01 Alias Brilliantly
09:01 szabgab I don't remember that
09:01 szabgab and besides I think I am just too exposed with the grant proposal now
09:01 Steffen exposed?
09:03 szabgab I feel quite bad
09:04 szabgab there were some comments that made me feel pretty bad about the whole thing
09:04 Steffen Why? You shouldn't.
09:04 Steffen People disagree. Reasonably and unreasonably.
09:04 szabgab "taxing", "deluting"   and then what Alberto wrote
09:05 szabgab that he only earns 1000 Euro / month and he should also ask money for his work as grant head of TPF
09:05 Steffen Oh, wow. lots of comments I haven't seen yet.
09:05 szabgab that's what Karen was afraid of
09:05 Steffen Well, that sure sounds like it. But I believe that people are simply getting it wrong.
09:06 Steffen question is whether that helps at all -- I guess not.
09:08 Alias Personally, I think that revenue raising is a job worth paying for
09:09 Alias Nobody ELSE has done anything significant to improve the resource base of the TPF
09:09 Alias Or even proposed to do so
09:09 Alias Every time I've suggested something along those lines, it's shrugged off
09:09 Alias There's no real urgency in organisations that are self-electing
09:09 Steffen But should the organization be the TPF?
09:10 Alias 1. Who else is geared up for handling revenue
09:10 Alias 2. They are the headline organisation that people/companies EXPECT to be contacted by
09:11 Steffen 1000EUR being a good salary for a developer in Portugal... Sure as hell makes me want to stay away from Portugal. It's fairly hard to believe.
09:12 Alias Depends on the cost of living
09:13 Steffen Not really if you travel a lot.
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09:13 Alias Well, if you want to travel, live in an high currency country, if you can get a job there
09:14 Steffen I intend to.
09:14 El_Che Portugal has the same currency as Germany
09:14 Steffen But not the same cost of living, so that can make up for some of the difference.
09:15 Alias hrm
09:15 Alias I can't get access to the Big Mac Index atm
09:15 szabgab he mentioned not in Lisbon
09:15 Alias oh, even worse
09:16 El_Che While travelling I compared salaries. Belgium's salaries are not the highest, cost of living is also high but a lot of things you don't pay directly of a lot (hospital, universities, daycare, etc)
09:16 Alias Cities that aren't measured in the index are tough
09:16 szabgab where the cost of living might be way less
09:16 El_Che you have to take all those things into account when comparing salaries
09:16 Alias El_Che: Indeed, hence the Big Mac Index
09:16 Alias Which is The Economist's way to balancing some of that stuff out
09:16 szabgab there was also an Ikea index a year or so agi
09:16 szabgab ago
09:16 El_Che Alias: the price of the big mac?
09:16 Steffen Hmm, from what I found on the interwebs, he may be right.
09:17 szabgab Israel came out on the top of the list...
09:17 Alias El_Che: Correct, the price of a big mac in each country is used to find a price of living comparison across multiple countries and currencies
09:17 El_Che that's not enough. Belgium is expensive as hell after the Euro (where all the bastards took advantage and even DOUBLED prices)
09:17 El_Che but still, some things are unbelievable cheap and high quality (like universities)
09:17 Alias Price abuse during currency change is a short-lived thing
09:17 Alias Competition will balance it out again after a year or so
09:18 El_Che Alias: the price level is still there
09:18 Steffen But a three-fold difference in average gross salary between Portugal and Germany surprises me.
09:18 El_Che and keep rising
09:18 Alias El_Che: Then it's not shop abuse, it's some kind of fundamental difference in the cost base
09:18 El_Che Steffen: is 1000 gross?
09:18 Steffen http://www.worldsalaries.or​g/computerprogrammer.shtml
09:19 El_Che Alias: no. Parking in my street doubled the price when the euro was introduced. There was no cost related
09:19 Steffen Not saying it's any good, but that's what I found. And it matches what Alberto wrote.
09:19 Hyppolit svn: r11782 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11782
09:19 Hyppolit EOL correction
09:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
09:19 szabgab http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p​id=newsarchive&sid=a.K4T4ypP9ko
09:20 El_Che we came from a small currency (40 franks to the euro), so rounding up (UP) could really affect the price (wat used to cost 30 franks was now 40)
09:20 Alias Again, price abuse doesn't last more than a year or so
09:20 Alias If they were making THAT much more, more competitors would move in and cancel it out
09:20 Sewi Alias: Depending on where it is.
09:20 El_Che no, they all stick to that level, oddly enough
09:20 Alias Not really, depending if it's a monopoly mostly
09:21 El_Che (newsflash: invisible hand does not work)
09:21 Alias El_Che, well there goes 5 decades of economics
09:21 Alias More like 10 really
09:21 El_Che yeah, the banks thingy proofed it more soundly :)
09:21 Sewi Alias: Ice cream still is at the same high level while hosting and web things even lowered their prices a bit during conversion
09:21 Alias No it didn't
09:22 El_Che the hand was pretty visible in Europe. It costed us Belgian 20 000 000 000 €
09:22 Alias Sewi: Icecream still at the same level? So no inflation added in the whatever years since the conversion?
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09:23 El_Che szabgab: do you plan to go through with yours plan or too down?
09:23 Sewi Alias: We got very light inflation in the Euro zone and the prices even kept increasing since then. Many restaurants increased their prices and a part of it is now recovered by world business crash and inflation.
09:23 Alias Sewi: Yep
09:24 Alias In the end competition balances things out
09:24 Alias Just takes a little while
09:24 Alias Most imbalances don't last more than a decade before something moves in to correct it
09:24 Alias In the end, you can't beat economics
09:24 Alias Just delay it for a while
09:24 Sewi szabgab: Go ahead, someone is always complaining because he has fewer money. You want to do a good job and a good job requires some kind of payment.
09:25 El_Che again, economics was hardly beated in the 30's, 70's and now
09:25 szabgab sure, but I can't do it if there is a serious backslash in the community
09:25 szabgab and people say "let him do it all as he gets paid for it"
09:25 Sewi You can't do this job if you have to earn your life spendings somewhere else.
09:25 El_Che szabgab: isn't this a typical open source problem?
09:25 El_Che that only a few get paid
09:25 Alias I don't see how anybody can complain if you generate more money for the community than you cost
09:25 Sewi Alias: Yep
09:26 El_Che there was some trouble in Debian a few years ago about it
09:26 Alias Paying people who don't generate income is a different story
09:26 Alias WikiLeaks community is all aroused about that guy that's getting all the press lately
09:26 Alias He's cost them $200,000 for the year, and they missed their big grant
09:27 Sewi szabgab: You'll be judged by the community on your results. If the community knows that you get 10000 a month bringing in 1.000.000 a month for tpf, it would be ok.
09:27 Alias Sewi: Way to set expectations :)
09:28 Alias As far as I'm concerned, if you can set history and generate the first recurring revenue the TPF has ever seen, you deserve it completely
09:28 Alias I hate that nobody ever seems to care about recurring income
09:28 Sewi It'll be very important to publish as much of your work as possible to let people see that you're doing something and what they (or TPF) get for the money
09:28 Alias There's tons of prior art on charitable giving
09:28 El_Che maybe the TPF's target are so low thay don't need that much money?
09:28 Alias Herecy
09:28 Alias Answer me this
09:29 Alias If we were making Firefox's incoming, $50 million a year, could we spend it?
09:29 El_Che it's not an opinions, just an statement of how things are today
09:29 Steffen Alias: It's a bootstrapping problem.
09:29 Alias We could absolutely spend it
09:29 El_Che idd
09:29 Alias We put it into a bank account, earning a few million a year forever
09:29 Alias And then we hire a permanent staff of 10-20 to work on Perl indefinitely
09:29 El_Che but the need makes you look for an income
09:30 Alias I think the opposite is true
09:30 Alias I think you generate income until you can't find a way to spend it, then you stop
09:30 Alias There's tons of things it would be awesome to do, if we could hire people
09:31 Alias If TPF could afford to match commercial rates, we could hire 5 x P5P people on a permanent basis
09:31 Alias Or do more advertising
09:31 Alias Or competitions, outreach programs, training certifications
09:31 Alias All kinds of useful things
09:31 Alias Upgrade the noc
09:31 szabgab so have you seen the Bloomber price comparision?
09:31 Alias Hire Graham to work on search.cpan full time
09:31 Alias etc etc
09:32 Alias There's always ways to spend money
09:32 Alias Someone at some point said, "We don't need more money, there aren't enough grants at the moment to spend all the money we do have"
09:32 Alias As if, some how, we should always aim for a cash reserve balance of zero
09:33 szabgab Alias,   that was the grant manager :)
09:33 Alias I'd be happy to provide more grant requests, if they could match commercial rates
09:33 El_Che Alias: good point
09:33 Alias Hell, I'd quit my job and work on PAdre for a year
09:33 Steffen Alias, they're never going to be able to do that.
09:33 Alias There's about that much work to do
09:33 Steffen "match commercial rates"
09:33 Alias Steffen: Mozilla can do it
09:34 szabgab Steffen, I believe we can do that
09:34 Alias We'll never know what we can do if we never bother raising the revenue
09:34 szabgab maybe not for many people but we can
09:35 szabgab Alias, then maybe please comment on that stuff
09:35 szabgab and/or my other question about "what would you like TPF to do?"
09:35 Alias I will at some point
09:35 Alias I've ranted to Those in Charge in the past, a number of times
09:36 Alias ok, now I REALLY need to do my talk
09:36 * kentnl figures if you're in the middle of a recession and people are throwing money at you, saying "ummmm, no need, but thanks" is not the smartest option.
09:36 szabgab kentnl, I am not sure I understand that comment
09:37 kentnl szabgab: people out there have money they want to give Perl org right?
09:37 szabgab in a recession you need to invest, because that's the time you can buy cheap
09:37 szabgab kentnl, we don't know
09:37 szabgab not for sure
09:38 * kentnl is just saying if people are still generous enough to be able to *donate* money during the bad times, we might be better off finding a good use for it.
09:38 szabgab I talked to a number of them but it seems they are waiting for each other and for TPF to ask them for money
09:39 szabgab there are tons of good uses
09:39 * kentnl thinks if they can afford to pay somebody to work full time on making perl better, then I'm all for that.
09:39 szabgab I asked on the p5p list and they don't seem to want money
09:40 szabgab they don't know what to do with it
09:40 kentnl How many of them already have full time jobs? How many would like to quit these jobs and work on Perl instead?
09:40 szabgab I think they are afraid that they will end up with a commitment they cannot fill
09:40 * kentnl sees what you're saying
09:42 * kentnl needs to know about what sort of interaction grant managers have with requesters in the "boss/employee" sort of context
09:42 Steffen szabgab, the thing about core perl development is that a lot of it is VERY hard. Naturally, the few people who are capable of working on it independently already have well-paid, secure jobs.
09:43 Steffen Thus it's hard to spend money for a lot of gain.
09:43 Steffen That Dave Mitchell is doing the grant now is simply awesome.
09:43 * kentnl would like to see a "contribution => donation to paypal" thing occur somehow
09:44 kentnl ( the challenge with that idea ofc is being objective in ways that don't encourage "gaming" it )
09:46 szabgab Steffen, for now the answers I got was "it cannot be done" while I think it could be also what you wrote now adding "in order for me to quit my job I need  a steady income of 5000 Euro/month for 2 years"
09:46 szabgab that would set the bar at least
09:47 Steffen That may be enough to convince people, yes.
09:48 szabgab we could use that info and base our plans on that
09:48 szabgab which is of course not something we can do immediately but at least we have some ballpark numbers
09:50 Steffen It also gives you another "benefit": If the plan comes together, it will be possible to fund further development of the language ecosystem on a more competitive/larger/more sustainable scale than the grants. I'm not saying it *will* work, but that's something you may want to stress.
09:51 Mips128 bye
09:57 waxhead smoke?
09:57 Hyppolit smoke is http://smolder.plusthree.com/app/​public_projects/smoke_reports/11
10:10 Alias szabgab, I'm quite certainly my work would probably sign up for $5k a year or something similar
10:10 szabgab that would be awesome
10:10 Alias It's small money if they have a chance for a say in how Perl should progress, or somethow get something out of it
10:11 szabgab so that's the issue, p5p and others are worried
10:11 szabgab that companies paying money will want to have a say on what p5p is working on
10:11 szabgab we cannot do that
10:11 Alias Even a place to hobnob digitally with other big companies, away from the shrill voices of the noisy masses would be nice
10:11 Alias Why not?
10:11 Alias Lets take something I want (for work)
10:11 Alias Better memory behaviour under COW forking scenarios
10:12 Alias I want things like AutoLoader et al to know they should load everything early, so there's less COW behaviour
10:12 szabgab so sure, the company can say that but people in p5p will only work on it if they like to
10:12 Alias Which means more memory consumed in the parent process, and less in the 30 child processes
10:13 Alias Why shouldn't some of that pool of money be put up as a bounty for someone to work on that problem
10:13 szabgab what the TPF can provide imho is a channel to communicate this
10:13 Alias Especially if a ton of companies agree they care about that problem
10:13 szabgab oh as a bounty, yes we could do that I guess
10:13 szabgab and that's part of the plan
10:13 Alias It's not the fact they are a company that is leverage
10:13 Alias It's that they are putting in money
10:13 szabgab I was just afraid to say that too
10:14 Alias Making Perl better for business makes it more likely to be used, which makes them hire more Perl people
10:14 Alias Everyone wins
10:14 szabgab I agree
10:14 szabgab no convince the others :)
10:14 szabgab s/no/now/
10:14 Alias At least by getting rid of all the riff raff, you can have a conversation between the people who are doing the actual hiring
10:15 Alias You have what is in essense, a forum for the anti-zealots
10:15 Alias Matt Sergeant as I recall once said that if we could make Perl 5% faster, he'd save $1million on hardware
10:16 Alias These are the kinds of issues that big companies could care about
10:16 Alias But we won't know until we take their money, put them in a room, and see what they really want
10:16 Alias What annoys me is that pretty much every other language does this
10:16 szabgab I think in p5p they say "but all the companies that care are already on p5p"
10:17 szabgab which basically means    "everyone who is here is already here"
10:17 Alias That also implies that everything they care about are problems that can be fixed by p5p
10:17 szabgab or some similar recursive statement
10:17 Alias I would suspect that business has problems related to all kinds of areas
10:17 Alias Some in p5p, some in CPAN, some in community, or governance, or who knows
10:18 Sewi szabgab: As we learned on CeBit: Many companies are using it, but often noone except the dev/IT staff knows it.
10:18 Alias p5p biases towards technical skill, not necesarily towards dollar spend
10:19 Alias Plus, one company won't necesarily have the money to pour into an entire 6 month optimisation grant
10:19 Alias etc
10:19 Alias They need that pooling of resources as well
10:19 Alias Thus, RIAA and loads of industry groups
10:19 Sewi If management people would know about Perl, they'ld at least pay for perl trainings :-)
10:20 El_Che Sewi: true
10:20 Alias Does anyone know why Ctrl-MouseScroll changes the font size?
10:20 Alias And how the hell we can disable it?
10:21 waxhead Alias, default behaviour
10:21 Alias It's incredibly annoying
10:21 waxhead try it in firefox...
10:21 waxhead only if you hold down crtl and use the wheel on your mouse
10:21 Alias If you are doing lots of cut and pasting, you have your hand on ctrl most of the time
10:21 waxhead yeah..
10:21 Alias If you then try to scroll, blat
10:22 Alias So I need to hook the events to null?
10:22 Alias Padre didn't used to do that in the paste
10:22 waxhead are you sure?
10:22 waxhead it's happened to me before
10:23 Sewi Alias: People are used to it from other apps
10:23 szabgab I think Alias did not used to use Padre in the past :)
10:23 Alias I'm going to disable it and see who complains
10:23 Alias Or IF anyone complains
10:24 waxhead ok...
10:27 Sewi Complain: Who the h*** disabled that font size change using the mouse wheel??? I'm using it when switching between external screen and netbook-buildin
10:27 Sewi There was a ticket discussing about the direction of the changes, some users using it wrote there.
10:28 szabgab Alias, please make it configurable
10:28 Alias There's already a feature to disable font size control, I'll attach it to that
10:30 Alias I'm not entirely sure how the hell to convert it to a normal scroll
10:56 Alias Is ctrl-scroll REALLY that needed, if you have Ctrl-+ anyway?
10:58 Hyppolit svn: r11783 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11783
10:58 Hyppolit - When the advanced setting "feature_fontsize" is disabled, Padre will
10:58 Hyppolit not change the font size in an editor on Ctrl-Scroll (ADAMK)
10:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:01 Hyppolit svn: r11784 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11784
11:01 Hyppolit Disable the font size menu entries as well
11:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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11:35 Sewi Is there any Jump-back/forward-one-sub key kombination?
11:46 Alias Not that I know of
11:46 Alias But something like Ctrl-PageDown might be a good one to use
11:46 Alias Then again, if you have the function list open, you can just point and click
12:02 Sewi Yes, but point and click is always slower if you got both hands on the keyboard :-)
12:03 Sewi Ctrl+Pagedown/up is already page-left/right
12:03 Sewi But I had the same idea :-)
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14:29 Hyppolit svn: r11785 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11785
14:29 Hyppolit Moving Perl-specific transform API into the Perl-specific document path - Part 1
14:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Transform/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Transform/Perl/
14:31 Hyppolit svn: r11786 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11786
14:31 Hyppolit Moving Perl-specific transform API into the Perl-specific document path - Part 2
14:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/Transform/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Transform/Perl/
14:33 Hyppolit svn: r11787 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11787
14:33 Hyppolit Moving Perl-specific transform API into the Perl-specific document path - Part 3
14:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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