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| 01:23 |
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waxhead |
Alias, interesting blog post... always fascinating to read how systems work... |
| 01:23 |
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waxhead |
that's a big code base.. |
| 01:24 |
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Alias |
It's a beast |
| 01:24 |
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Alias |
And it's 15 years old |
| 01:25 |
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Alias |
Project started in 1995 |
| 01:25 |
|
Alias |
It's been rewritten from scratch twice since then |
| 01:25 |
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Alias |
It has it's own ORM that predates Class::DBI, and an MVC system that predates Catalyst |
| 01:25 |
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Alias |
The svn history is almost 10 years old |
| 01:26 |
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Alias |
Nobody in the company was around for the earliest commits |
| 01:26 |
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Alias |
So it's a real look at ancient history in computing term |
| 01:42 |
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Alias |
I'll hopefully post a few more "How we do it" posts from time to time |
| 01:42 |
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Alias |
There's some stuff here that's better than the state of the art on the CPAN |
| 01:42 |
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Alias |
(Half of which I wrote, to toot my own horn) :) |
| 02:10 |
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waxhead |
nothing wrong with tooting your own horn.. :) |
| 02:10 |
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waxhead |
I guess that's why in part there's perl out there, the age of the system... |
| 02:10 |
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waxhead |
I wonder how many new projects get perl nod over say .Net |
| 02:11 |
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waxhead |
so do you guys do much SOA within your infrastructure? |
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| 03:10 |
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Alias |
Yes, but not really by that name |
| 03:10 |
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Alias |
We have a middleware platform, that is basically in charge of letting everything talk to everything else |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
It kind of acts as a sort of SOA platform |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
And the new SAP platform has it's own set |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
But we're certainly not doing it in a full blown IBM style SOAP + Enterprise Directory type manner |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
Most of the interfaces themselves are done ad-hoc |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
Some are json, some are REST with non-schema tag soup XML, and so on |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
That said, there's 115 different customer intergrations, and so on |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
So it's a bit like SOA, but without the uniformity that the Java/XML cabal would have you believe is needed :) |
| 03:14 |
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Alias |
And there's not currently any live calls INTO the Perl stack |
| 03:14 |
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Alias |
Which is going to change later this year |
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| 05:19 |
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waxhead |
Alias, I'm not sure the SOA stuff is the be all and end all. Granted UDDI WSDL and the rest have their places, the reality is the interchange is agreed between people, which means that information is generally described in a document of agreement between the two parties |
| 05:20 |
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waxhead |
Data exchange/interchange is important and should be done whereever it makes sense to do so, but I'm not convinced about SOA in it's 'full blown' IBM/Websphere "your company belongs to us" style |
| 05:20 |
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Alias |
In some cases I can see how it makes sense |
| 05:21 |
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waxhead |
that seems to come at a fairly large cost though |
| 05:21 |
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waxhead |
both in terms of $$ and complexity... |
| 05:21 |
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Alias |
If, and only if, you have a massive amount of interfaces, and they are either rarely used or are completely elastically performant |
| 05:21 |
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waxhead |
at the end of the complexity will end up somewhere, you can't abstract it away to invisibility... |
| 05:21 |
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Alias |
I've seen some neat stuff though |
| 05:22 |
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Alias |
Where you get EXCELLENT IDE GUI magic support from the UDDI approach |
| 05:22 |
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Alias |
The interfaces are well-defined enough to let your IDE bring up input fields and output fields and compile-validate the types and what not |
| 05:22 |
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Alias |
What worries me though, is that you make interface $foo and put it into the catalog |
| 05:23 |
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Alias |
And then some other department likes the look of it |
| 05:23 |
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Alias |
So they start mass-calling it 100 times more often then you had expected |
| 05:23 |
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Alias |
And that service falls over |
| 05:23 |
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waxhead |
sure.. so you save some programmer some effort on writing their own class... |
| 05:23 |
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Alias |
So the extra rigour makes sense to me when the scale is large enough, hundreds or thousands of services |
| 05:23 |
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waxhead |
wouldn't that imply the wrong interface then? |
| 05:24 |
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Alias |
But in that situation, I don't understand how you do performance and load control |
| 05:24 |
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Alias |
I have this problem today |
| 05:24 |
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Alias |
Some types of load are real-time or user-critical |
| 05:24 |
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Alias |
A slow down in process X directly steals time from an expensive human |
| 05:24 |
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waxhead |
hence, the dept should have engaged in the right area to specify their needs and from there the SME's return an appropriate mechanism |
| 05:25 |
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Alias |
Other types of load are transactional and can be done as slowly as you want, as long as total throughput is high enough |
| 05:25 |
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waxhead |
be that direct connects to the database via Stored Procs or views |
| 05:25 |
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Alias |
Well, whatever |
| 05:25 |
|
Alias |
but the UDDI catalog shortcuts the whole process |
| 05:25 |
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waxhead |
or SOA, being SOAP calls etc |
| 05:25 |
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Alias |
It's like saying "Here's an interface, go nuts" |
| 05:25 |
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waxhead |
ha.. yep |
| 05:25 |
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waxhead |
but then given that, you can protect the information to only those you give visibility to |
| 05:26 |
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Alias |
The middleware guys here put a lot of attention to the modality of each interface |
| 05:26 |
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waxhead |
which would mean that the dept should have contacted you to discuss their requirements |
| 05:26 |
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Alias |
They are valuable because they can adapt to give both parties the interface style they want |
| 05:26 |
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waxhead |
that's it.. |
| 05:26 |
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Alias |
And provide either realtime, or fire-and-forget, or broken-stored, etc etc |
| 05:26 |
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Alias |
They do throttling, and load balancing etc |
| 05:26 |
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Alias |
If you need it |
| 05:27 |
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Alias |
The platform itself contains no state at all, no database and no data is stored in it |
| 05:27 |
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Alias |
Everything is a transaction |
| 05:27 |
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Alias |
It is there only to solve the real world problems around interfacing, without having to concern themselves about the actual semantics |
| 05:28 |
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Alias |
Except to do format translation or whatever |
| 05:28 |
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Alias |
And thus simplify all the programs talking to it, and make them more maintainable |
| 05:28 |
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waxhead |
so where do you sit in the scheme of things? |
| 05:28 |
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Alias |
Organisationally, I'm the "Architect" for the Perl stack |
| 05:28 |
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waxhead |
I'd have thought that based on your blog you're in the middle with the perl stuff |
| 05:29 |
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Alias |
I'm also loaned out to other teams |
| 05:29 |
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waxhead |
Who are the doers for the perl stack then? |
| 05:29 |
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Alias |
As a kind of devil's advocate |
| 05:29 |
|
Alias |
There's 7 on the team |
| 05:29 |
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waxhead |
that's a fun job |
| 05:30 |
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waxhead |
7 perl programmers? |
| 05:30 |
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Alias |
One Team Leader/Manager, one architect, 5 line coders |
| 05:30 |
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Alias |
So apart from the non-coding part of my job, I do a lot of deep hacking |
| 05:30 |
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Alias |
I'm finishing up a rewrite of Aspect.pm at the moment |
| 05:31 |
|
Alias |
For our new telemetry system, which will produce metrics to support our push for usability |
| 05:31 |
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waxhead |
yeah, I saw that you were doing that too |
| 05:31 |
|
Alias |
We need a kind of Perl Oscillascope |
| 05:31 |
|
Alias |
To hook temporarily into the program running on the production cluster |
| 05:31 |
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Alias |
And spew analysis and metrics out to the main syslog server and log search engine |
| 05:32 |
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waxhead |
so is the web site done in perl too? |
| 05:32 |
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Alias |
Yup |
| 05:32 |
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Alias |
It's only the website |
| 05:32 |
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waxhead |
250k lines for the web site?? |
| 05:32 |
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Alias |
There's two ERPs, an old on in an archaic system called Universal, and a new on in SAP |
| 05:32 |
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Alias |
250k lines for a website, yes |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
It's a big website, you have no idea how complicated some of the stuff we do it |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
is |
| 05:33 |
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waxhead |
clearly... |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
Every one of the 100,000 users gets a different catalog |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11913 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11913 |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
eliminate debugging print to console |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/ |
| 05:33 |
|
Alias |
Every one of the 100,000 users can get different prices |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11914 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11914 |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
remove the generated mo files from SpellChecker |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/share/locale/ |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11915 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11915 |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
giignore some generated .mo files |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/ |
| 05:33 |
|
Alias |
We support multiple different manager approval schemes |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11916 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11916 |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
better error message in tests |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/xt/ |
| 05:33 |
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waxhead |
oh... so a form of workflow too? |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
And... and... and... |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
You can build your own business cards |
| 05:34 |
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waxhead |
yep.. fair enough... |
| 05:34 |
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waxhead |
seriously? |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
Based on a procedurally-defined corporate template provided by your marketing department |
| 05:34 |
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waxhead |
so a sort of drag and drp thingy? |
| 05:34 |
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waxhead |
oh... |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
And then we can drop ship that design to a network of print shops around the country |
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| 05:34 |
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waxhead |
cool... |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
The cards redesign themselves on the fly depending on what fields you want to show on your card |
| 05:35 |
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waxhead |
done in perl? |
| 05:35 |
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Alias |
yyup |
| 05:35 |
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waxhead |
so you have a list of fields to add/remove? |
| 05:35 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r11917 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/11917 |
| 05:35 |
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Hyppolit |
svn:ignore some generated .mo files |
| 05:35 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/share/locale/ |
| 05:35 |
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waxhead |
from that the template is done? |
| 05:35 |
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Alias |
And we can show you a digital proof on screen that we can PROVE is identical to the physical product that will show up on your desk |
| 05:35 |
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Alias |
Kerning bugs and all |
| 05:35 |
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waxhead |
wow.. how do you do that? |
| 05:35 |
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Alias |
So you never have to send physical document print proofs |
| 05:35 |
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waxhead |
svg? |
| 05:36 |
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Alias |
PDF and Postscript |
| 05:36 |
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waxhead |
interesting... |
| 05:36 |
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waxhead |
what do you use for PDF? |
| 05:36 |
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waxhead |
I've played with the PDF stuff in the past... |
| 05:36 |
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Alias |
Our own deep template object model, dumped out to PDF::API2, then to two different versions of ghostscript |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
We support ordering of alchohol online |
| 05:37 |
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waxhead |
so you used PDF::API2... I think that was the one I last tried |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
So we track responsible receiving party, and 18+ checks |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
We do integration with numbering schemes of customers |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
So you can order products using your own private product codes |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
We do stupid amounts of stuff |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
It all adds up |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
Plus lots of security stuff, and audit trails, and so on |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
Our main database has 180 tables |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
This is Just the website |
| 05:38 |
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Alias |
We then send complete orders on to the "real" system |
| 05:39 |
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Alias |
And every feature has to work with every other feature |
| 05:39 |
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Alias |
For example, the search engine knows the products you are allowed to order and only returns those |
| 05:40 |
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Alias |
If you type your own name into the main search, it will find the business card with your name on it your secretary ordered last year |
| 05:40 |
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Alias |
The edge cases alone are insane |
| 05:41 |
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waxhead |
wow... complex.. :( |
| 05:41 |
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waxhead |
but awesome too.. |
| 05:41 |
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waxhead |
I like stuff like that... |
| 05:41 |
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Alias |
If your marketing department decides to change your business card, we have to find all the orders on hold pending management approval, unwind them back into incomplete orders, redesign your card automatically to the new template, then mail you to tell you to reproof the card to make sure it is ok |
| 05:42 |
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Alias |
But if the redesign is trivially minor, we will subtly redesign the card WITHOUT telling you, and let the order continue normally |
| 05:43 |
|
Alias |
If one person does all the ordering for 10 different departments, we have to support that, letting people move orders to different cost centres |
| 05:43 |
|
Alias |
And those different cost centres may have access to different products, or get different prices |
| 05:43 |
|
Alias |
We let you embed the entire website as a widget inside your giant corporate ERP system |
| 05:44 |
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waxhead |
where is all the querying done? in the code or through stored procs/views? |
| 05:44 |
|
Alias |
A mix |
| 05:45 |
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Alias |
Sometimes the Perl code needs to know about things the user isn't allowed to see, other times we don't WANT it to know it |
| 05:46 |
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Alias |
For example, if a manager for a person is in a different company |
| 05:46 |
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Alias |
The manager can't order product $foo, but needs to see it only while approving someone else's order |
| 05:46 |
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Alias |
Edge cases are the bane of our existance |
| 05:46 |
|
Alias |
Hence stuff like this oscilliscope |
| 05:47 |
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Alias |
The real world is too complex for us to predict it, or cover all the edge cases |
| 05:47 |
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Alias |
So we want to say "On production, does this function ever REALLY get called with value X set to false?" |
| 05:47 |
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Alias |
So turn on a hook, and leave it on for three months and see |
| 05:47 |
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Alias |
And do so relatively cheaply |
| 05:47 |
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Alias |
Thus, Aspect |
| 05:48 |
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Alias |
Most time I think I've ever spent on company time working on a CPAN module |
| 05:51 |
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waxhead |
I remember reading your blog post about Aspect... it's a pretty cool thing to be able to do.. |
| 05:52 |
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Alias |
It's one of those things that has a massive potential capability, but most of those things are fairly evil |
| 05:52 |
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Alias |
And only 10% of it's potential is actually worth using |
| 05:52 |
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Alias |
its |
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| 09:21 |
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zenog |
Hi guys. |
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| 09:29 |
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zenog |
Hi Steffen |
| 09:44 |
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zenog |
I have a problem with the plugin translations (a) from a developer's perspective, and (b) from a user's perspective. |
| 09:44 |
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zenog |
The documentation on how to properly localize plugins is not so clear. |
| 09:44 |
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zenog |
Plus (b) none of the plugins I have installed display translated strings. |
| 09:44 |
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zenog |
... even though they have .po files for German. |
| 09:45 |
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zenog |
This happens both for plugins I installed from CPAN (PerlTidy) as well as for plugins I directly installed from the SVN repository (e.g. Catalyst, SpellCheck) |
| 09:46 |
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zenog |
Anyone got an idea? Is this a known problem? |
| 09:48 |
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Hyppolit |
#741: Expected language settings in the Preferences, not under "View" (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/741#comment:1 ] |
| 09:52 |
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zenog |
I added ticket 741 as a rather easy issue to OpenHatch: http://openhatch.org/+projects/Padre |
| 10:01 |
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waxhead |
hey zenog.... no idea about the translation stuff.. sorry |
| 10:01 |
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zenog |
One question about the ticket system in trac: What is meant by a "task" vs. an "enhancement" or a "defect"? The difference between "defect" and "enhancement" is clear to me ... |
| 10:02 |
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zenog |
waxhead: No problem, but can you try whether in your installation there is the same problem? |
| 10:02 |
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zenog |
waxhead: Just switch to Spanish or German for second and see whether the plugins are translated ... |
| 10:02 |
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zenog |
waxhead: (just if you have time ...) |
| 10:02 |
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waxhead |
ok.. |
| 10:06 |
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waxhead |
actually when I changed to spanish I lost all the menu entries fort he plugins I have enabled. |
| 10:06 |
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waxhead |
going back to english didn't bring them back, but I can see the cataylst panel in the bottom pane, so it would appear they are still loaded. |
| 10:07 |
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waxhead |
and I get this in the console: 20:03:39: Error: Cannot set locale to 'es_ES'. |
| 10:07 |
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zenog |
I see the same behavior. |
| 10:07 |
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zenog |
Plug-ins seem to remain loaded (according to plugin manager), but somehow the menu entries are lost. |
| 10:08 |
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zenog |
Looks like a bug, doesn't it? |
| 10:09 |
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waxhead |
yeah, or the interface hasn't been done to handle locale changes for plugins maybe... |
| 10:09 |
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waxhead |
which is still a bug |
| 10:10 |
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* waxhead |
is wondering what he was looking at before that handles locale changes.... |
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| 10:12 |
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waxhead |
I wonder if it's a function of the refresh that it does the relocale stuff |
| 10:12 |
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zenog |
possibly, I have never had a look at that part of the code ... |
| 10:14 |
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zenog |
I have lunch now, will be back later. |
| 10:14 |
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waxhead |
zenog, Main.pm has this: |
| 10:14 |
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waxhead |
# Relocale the plug-ins |
| 10:14 |
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waxhead |
$self->ide->plugin_manager->relocale; |
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| 10:39 |
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waxhead |
zenog, are you testing with ./dev.pl or the released version from cpan? |
| 10:43 |
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waxhead |
hmm same problem with the release though |
| 10:59 |
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zenog |
./dev.pl |
| 11:01 |
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zenog |
But it is the same for me when I run with the installed "padre". |
| 11:01 |
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zenog |
(both trunk) |
| 11:03 |
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waxhead |
ok... |
| 11:04 |
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waxhead |
it's interesting I've put a few print statements in and for catalyst I don't set the "bottom" tab get translated, even though the syntax and output tabs do |
| 11:16 |
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zenog |
Syntax/Output are not part of the Catalyst plugin, aren't they? |
| 11:37 |
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zenog |
Shall I create a ticket? |
| 12:00 |
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waxhead |
yeah, I reckon... I've been poking about with it and I think I'm starting to see where things go.. not 100% sure though.. will check again tomorrow if I get a chance... |
| 12:00 |
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waxhead |
a ticket would at least then mean it's recorded for someone to check into... |
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zenog |
Does anyone in the channel see translated plugin messages? |
| 13:13 |
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zenog |
e.g. with the Catalyst or the PerlTidy plugin, or any other plugin outside core Padre? |
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| 13:36 |
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Hyppolit |
#970: Switching language removes plugin menus (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/970 ] |
| 13:36 |
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zenog |
Who will create ticket #1000? |
| 13:36 |
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zenog |
30 to go ... |
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Getty |
i always find ticket 1 interesting, sadly this one was wasted here ;) |
| 13:47 |
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Getty |
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/1 |
| 13:49 |
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Hyppolit |
#318: The search should highlight all the hits with yellow marker (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/318#comment:1 ] |
| 13:50 |
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Hyppolit |
#319: highlight # TODO (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/319#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#356: encoding problem (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/356#comment:1 ] |
| 13:56 |
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zenog |
Getty: Oh, maybe we could manually mess with the ticket system ... or you think about a nice ticket #1000 - it does not have to be #1 all of the time ;-) |
| 13:57 |
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zenog |
Getty: Do you have an instance of Padre opened? If so, could you check for a moment whether you get translated plugin messages (see above)? |
| 14:02 |
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Hyppolit |
#338: regex replace treats \n as 2 chars (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/338#comment:1 ] |
| 14:03 |
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Hyppolit |
#342: * No 'replace all' available that acts on ALL open files (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/342#comment:1 ] |
| 14:04 |
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Getty |
zenog: its updated to 0.12? |
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AH! wait |
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Getty |
you mean in padre? |
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Getty |
i dont have padre installed |
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* Getty |
runs |
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zenog |
Man, why don't you have Padre installed? |
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zenog |
What do we need to fix/implement to get you to install it? |
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Hyppolit |
#336: listing all regexes in replace dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/336#comment:1 ] |
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Getty |
i just need to try it again to use, it was always that way then when i tried to use it on windows as regular IDE, the problems forced me to go back for being productive, sadly i cant invest that much time in my IDE or dont need to so far, but i will try to change that |
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Hyppolit |
#613: Copy Ultraedit's "file dissapeared" semantics (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/613#comment:1 ] |
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zenog |
Getty: Installation problems? Instability? Lack of features? |
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Getty |
zenog: instability |
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Getty |
zenog: and speed of samba access |
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Getty |
(which is always a common IDE problem) |
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Getty |
(i must also remark: windows user here) |
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Getty |
suddenly it gets silent ;) hrhr |
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zenog |
Dunno, I use it only on Linux ... I have heard it is a bit less stable on Windows ... |
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Hyppolit |
#704: Segfault when closing documentation dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/704#comment:1 ] |
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zenog |
Wasn't silent because of your answer, but because I was on the phone ;-) |
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Hyppolit |
#704: Segfault when closing documentation dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/704#comment:2 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#782: warning when no locale found on Windows (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/782#comment:2 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#898: "Find in Files" dialog: buttons too small on Ubuntu 9.10 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/898#comment:1 ] |
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Getty |
zenog: yeah it got its problem on windows |
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Getty |
zenog: but that is clear |
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Hyppolit |
#870: Padre crashs when closing "Open Resource" with the 'x' button from window manager (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/870#comment:2 ] |
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* garu |
waves from FISL |
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garu |
Alias: I'm trying to install padre on a mac but even as I upgrade cpan it fails some tests on File::HomeDir - could you help me debug them? |
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Steffen |
Alias, ping? Would you consider a Perl::MinimumVersion release with my 5.12 changes from April? |
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shadowpaste |
"garu" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "File::HomeDir test error on mac os x 10.6" (103 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/46967 |
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zenog |
garu: Alias is most likely not available because of the time zone difference ... |
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garu |
yeah, 1am on a wednesday, I knew it was a long shot :) |
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garu |
zenog: if you - or anyone else - has any clues on it, please take your best shot :) |
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zenog |
garu: The first fail looks like a trivial platform issue - the file is on Mac OS X just not at the same position as in a 'classical' Unix (just my guess, no idea at all of Macs) |
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zenog |
garu: '11_darwin' looks like trivial coding errors that do not show up on other platforms because 11_darwin may be platform-specific ... |
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zenog |
garu: Those are only wild guesses. Can you try to install the module anyway, and see what happens? |
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garu |
hmmm... I'm not so sure if that's a good idea, specially since I *think* it should work on darwin |
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garu |
I 'l try doing it as a local user with local::lib first, see what happens - I've been trying to install it as root so far |
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zenog |
garu: Good luck!! |
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garu |
zenog: thanks! |
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garu |
it's not the only one failing though |
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garu |
Wx itself is not installing properly either |
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garu |
anyone had any luck installing padre on mac? |
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kthakore |
garu: oh hai! |
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garu |
kthakore: heya! |
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kthakore |
garu: oh man ... major war with Blaizer today on tabs v.s. spaces |
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garu |
sigh |
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kthakore |
yeah |
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kthakore |
it is such a trivial thing |
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kthakore |
I mean we picked one |
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kthakore |
but now we have to change just for this guy |
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kthakore |
but I finnaly got him to do tests |
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kthakore |
woot! |
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kthakore |
he is coming along |
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kthakore |
Blazier++ |
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garu |
:) |
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kthakore: So what now, tabs or spaces? |
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kthakore |
zenog: spaces |
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kthakore: hm. |
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zenog |
done for today & |
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zenog: ?? |
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Alias |
<garu>Alias: I'm trying to install padre on a mac but even as I upgrade cpan it fails some tests on File::HomeDir - could you help me debug them? |
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Alias |
Shoot |
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Alias |
I'm taking a look at Perl::MinimumVersion |
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