Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-07-28

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00:02 Hyppolit svn: r12056 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12056
00:02 Hyppolit Post release update.
00:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
00:09 Hyppolit svn: r12057 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12057
00:09 Hyppolit Update announcements
00:09 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
00:18 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.68 - Post Hackathon Release, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
00:19 waxhead time to reboot the laptop... back later...
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00:49 waxhead and back...
00:49 waxhead man this wireless is a pain!
00:53 garu waxhead: btw, it needs a new release, doesn't it?
00:53 garu I saw it was updated on the birthday hackathon
00:53 waxhead garu, possibly...
00:54 garu I'll make it happen tomorrow :)
00:54 waxhead there are some API changes made  that might have broken compatibility...
00:54 waxhead zenog, made some commits to it...
00:54 garu cool
00:55 waxhead garu, also we used it as one of the plugins for the translation stuff that zeno was looking into...
00:55 garu was that bug fixed, btw?
00:56 garu the plugins' translation?
00:58 waxhead garu, not 100% sure, but zeno had a good crack at the translation stuff over the weekend.. will have to ask him how he went.. also should get a bit of info about what he learnt so we can put it in some doco to help plugin authors...
00:58 waxhead garu, I think there's some confusion about when to use _T and when to use Wx::gettext...
00:58 waxhead which I have to say I'm confused about
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01:04 garu waxhead: yeah, me too
01:04 garu it'd be really nice to see that documented (if it's not already)
01:09 waxhead garu, I don't think it is.. if so, it's not clear where...
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03:41 * Alias_ promises to learn to screencast tonight
03:53 Alias_ Anyone else see plugin manager icon weirdness with dev.pl, but not with a regular install?
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03:59 Alias_ Never mind, my mistake
04:00 Hyppolit svn: r12058 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12058
04:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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05:58 azawawi good morning
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06:06 azawawi waxhead: ping
06:07 azawawi Padre 0.68 test errors http://pastebin.ca/1909883
06:15 azawawi Alias: There is also this warning "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method Module::Install::Msgfmt::install_share() is deprecated at inc/Module/Install/Msgfmt.pm line 21". Any idea how to fix it?
06:17 Alias Nope
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06:19 azawawi trying blizkost (http://github.com/jnthn/bl​izkost/blob/master/README) right now on rakudo... seems promising ...
06:33 waxhead well that just sucks!
06:33 waxhead it tested fine here...
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06:34 waxhead of couse the other laptop has virtual box on it...
06:34 waxhead sigh
06:36 Casan 0.68. is anyone else experiencing that the default "project directory" in "directory browser" setting in preferences seem to be ignored ?
06:39 Alias There's a new setting
06:40 Alias The default project directory is no longer the same as the default directory browser root
06:40 Alias main_directory_root
06:41 waxhead Casan, yep
06:41 Alias Turns out having the directory browser default to the default root path for all your projects causes massive directory explosions :)
06:41 Casan configurable only through advanced in preferences or?
06:41 Alias Advanced only for the moment
06:41 waxhead oh.. there's your answer
06:42 Alias someone will wrap some UI over it shortly, I imagine
06:43 Casan yeah ok, found it. I do sense the speed improvements. great.
06:43 waxhead over what? the advanced settings or the directory tree setting?
06:43 Alias Wrap a UI over the specific setting
06:44 Alias Advanced is there as a kind of universal fallback ala Firefox about:config
06:44 Alias Preferences is the main nice'ified interface to it
06:44 Alias But some other values won't be reflected in the preferences dialog
06:44 Alias Like the new startup_count for example
06:44 Alias Which is just a running count of the number of times you've started Padre
06:45 Alias For the purposes of working out when to show you the survey, or ask about popcon, or ping for you a donation after 100 usages, or whatever we might want to do with that
06:48 Alias (A running count that syncs across multiple installs of Padre, mind you)
06:50 waxhead azawawi, http://pastebin.ca/1909905  passes for me here
06:50 waxhead ubuntu though
06:59 azawawi waxhead: will followup with Sewi on that one
07:00 azawawi waxhead: thx
07:00 azawawi waxhead: im trying blizkost which embedded perl5 in perl6 :)
07:01 azawawi waxhead: on win32 it installs into rakudo but fails to be evaluated at the moment
07:01 azawawi waxhead: if it works, it means wxwidgets support under Perl 6 :)
07:07 Sewi azawawi: pong?
07:08 waxhead cool
07:08 azawawi Sewi: that test error haunts us again :)
07:08 azawawi Sewi: http://pastebin.ca/1909905
07:09 Sewi azawawi: gm :-) Tell him that he was fixed and should shut up :-))
07:09 Sewi I'll update and check...
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07:13 Sewi pete wrote that 92 passes for him, this is true for me, too, but 93 was the one which failed in the first part of the paste (if I'm not too sleepy)
07:14 Sewi And 93 "passes" for me, too, because it's skipped on linux
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07:16 azawawi Sewi: win32 :)
07:16 azawawi Sewi: the strange thing it works when i do a cpan .
07:16 Sewi This is where I'm testing now :)
07:18 Hyppolit svn: r12059 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12059
07:18 Hyppolit Switch to Test::More syntax
07:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:18 Sewi No fix, but better for searching :-)
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07:25 * azawawi work &
07:26 Hyppolit svn: r12060 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12060
07:26 Hyppolit The property was renamed from ->{Filename} to ->{filename} (maybe some time ago) and the old form isn't supported any longer - this made the test fail.
07:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:30 waxhead that's odd.. how come the tests passed for me.. ?
07:34 Sewi Did you run them on Win?
07:34 waxhead Sewi, nope
07:34 waxhead but I installed 0.68 on vista and no test errors
07:34 Sewi It's a windows-only test
07:35 waxhead oh..
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08:12 azawawi waxhead, Sewi: i backlogged. It seems to be an XP installation issue
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12:11 daxim »I am Mrs. Viktória Szentiványi; I am married to late Mr. Gábor Szentiványi of blessed memory a citizen of Republic of Hungary. Who was a reputable business magnet-(Oil Explorer) in United Kingdom for many years before He died of Heart Attack in the year 2008. We were married for Thirty-Five years with a child and our only son died in a ghastly motor accident last year 2009. My late husband deposited the sum of (£2.800.000.00) Two Million Eight Hundred
12:11 daxim Thousand British Pounds Sterling with a Bank here in United Kingdom.«
12:12 Alias_ Wow
12:12 Alias_ He used the word "ghastly"
12:13 Alias_ That's pretty awesome english
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12:23 Casan yeah disgustingly awesome. especially his ethics. maybe I'm just a tiny bit disappointed that he is writing to you so soon, I haven't even rejected, let alone replied to her offer yet.
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12:30 waxhead will we need to release another Padre soon?
12:31 Alias_ Define soon
12:31 Alias_ But I can't see anything we'd build in the next 2 weeks that would push heavily for it
12:31 waxhead tonight tomorrow.. with the bug that was found on win32
12:31 Alias_ I'll be doing election stuff
12:31 Alias_ Oh, was there bugs?
12:31 waxhead with the geo2gov site?
12:31 waxhead just one so far, caused a test to fail
12:32 waxhead it didn't show up on my system as it was win32 releated
12:32 waxhead related even
12:32 waxhead Alias_, did you install 0.68?
12:32 Alias_ At work, yes
12:32 waxhead no problems?
12:32 Alias_ Not at hom yet
12:33 Alias_ Trying it now
12:33 waxhead I didn't see any on vista when I installed, but azawawi did, but on XP though...
12:33 waxhead ok, better head off... back tomorrow...
12:33 Sewi waxhead: Did you see r12060?
12:33 Hyppolit Changeset #12060 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12060
12:35 Alias_ Installing now
12:37 Alias_ PASS
12:37 Alias_ Your release announcement said you included his bug fix right?
12:46 Hyppolit svn: r12061 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12061
12:46 Hyppolit We no longer need this note.
12:46 Hyppolit trunk/
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12:48 azawawi Sewi: ping
12:48 azawawi Sewi: i'll check it when I go home since i do not have a spare vista machine right now
12:50 * azawawi &
12:54 Sewi azawawi: pong (even if you don't see it) :-)
12:55 Hyppolit svn: r12062 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12062
12:55 Hyppolit FormBuilder is now good enough we don't need the old wxGlade plugin
12:55 Hyppolit trunk/
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14:09 Alias_ I hate that you can't debug Test::Perl::Critic
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14:15 Hyppolit svn: r12063 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12063
14:15 Hyppolit Landing ConfigSync branch
14:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/t/ trunk/Padre/xt/
14:17 PerlJam Where's a good place to look to find out the major differences between 0.66 and 0.68 ?
14:18 chorny PerlJam: On search.cpan.org
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14:18 chorny http://cpansearch.perl.org/s​rc/PLAVEN/Padre-0.68/Changes
14:19 Hyppolit svn: r12064 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12064
14:19 Hyppolit Nigglies to pass tests
14:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/xt/
14:19 PerlJam I guess I was hoping for more of a summary than that.  like "faster load time, fewer bugs, better blah"
14:19 PerlJam no worries though. I can read :)
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14:27 PerlJam er ... What happened to the directory tree?  Is it non-functional in 0.68?
14:28 Sewi It's slower
14:29 PerlJam it always seems to show my Documents directory no matter what file/project I have open or what the default projects directory is set to
14:29 PerlJam (and there seems to be no way to navigate up a level)
14:29 Alias_ PerlJam: Internals reorganisations, fewer bugs
14:30 Alias_ PerlJam: The directory tree lost some features in the move to Task 2.0
14:30 Alias_ It is gradually being restored to it's former state
15:00 Casan PerlJam, I experienced the same "problem". as Alias pointed out, a change was made. Just go to preferences.Advanced and search for Main Directory or something.. If you don't find it, I'll look it up again in a few, I'm just reinstalling to test a few bugs..
15:04 Casan PerlJam, Tools->Preferences->Advanced->main_directory_root
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16:28 azawawi Sewi: cpanm Padre #  0.68 also fails on strawberry 5.12.0.1 / Vista
16:34 azawawi Sewi: I just tested it. #12060 fixes the issue on vista.
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16:45 azawawi Sewi, waxhead: confirmed. It is fixed now on xp and vista. Thanks :)
16:45 Sewi good
16:46 Hyppolit svn: r12065 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12065
16:46 Hyppolit Updated Changes. Sewi++
16:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
16:47 azawawi Sewi: now back to blizkost under win32 :)
17:03 Hyppolit svn: r12066 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12066
17:03 Hyppolit Typos
17:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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17:46 user_9056 hi - is there a Padre plugin for MooseX::Declare? I looked on search.cpan.org to no avai. Is it hidden in the Catalyst plugin?
17:46 chorny why do you need plugin for it?
17:47 rindolf user_9056: do you want syntax highlighting or something else?
17:47 user_9056 I want to see the method names in the subs window. Is that configurable somewhere else?
17:47 azawawi let me check
17:50 azawawi user_9056: there is only support for Moose in outline view, no highlighting that i know of
17:50 azawawi user_9056: MooseX::POE but no MooseX::Declare anywhere in Padre core
17:51 user_9056 would that change sit in core or a plugin?
17:53 azawawi user_9056: Moose attribute declaration and Moose::POE event support at the moment
17:54 azawawi user_9056: I have not seen a Padre plugin that does that
17:54 user_9056 thanks - and thanks for all the good work in Padre :)
17:54 azawawi user_9056: np
17:59 chorny should searching for "method" be added to "show functions"?
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19:53 chorny I guess this is general question: "What should we do about parsing modifiers like MooseX::Declare?". Was this question discussed before?
19:54 chorny support for "method" in sub search is easy - I've already done this, but not commited.
20:00 PerlJam chorny: plugins to allow custom declarators
20:00 PerlJam (to allow the ability to search for custom declarators)
20:09 Hyppolit svn: r12067 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12067
20:09 Hyppolit if MooseX::Declare is detected, search for "method" also in sub search
20:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
20:13 Sewi I agree, special stuff like this should be in a plugin
20:13 Sewi Create a Moose Plugin and add all kind of Moose stuff there.
20:18 chorny using a plugin is hard here
20:21 Hyppolit svn: r12068 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12068
20:21 Hyppolit refactor regex for sub search into variable, to allow changing
20:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
20:23 PerlJam what's hard about using a plugin?
20:24 Sewi chorny: If there is no option for a plugin in this special case - add it. There might be other plugins which might also want to use this feature to insert other things.
20:24 PerlJam require each plugin to have a sub that returns the regex for its declarators and use Regexp::Assemble to put them together.
20:26 Sewi PerlJam: We should test this but my last benchmark tests told me that multiple regex's are usually faster than one big one.
20:26 Sewi We might be able to study() the string before.
20:26 PerlJam seriously?
20:26 Sewi gn8
20:27 Sewi PerlJam: Yes.
20:27 Sewi Even without study
20:27 PerlJam I have *never* *ever* found study to be significantly faster
20:27 Sewi I used it maybe two or three times within my whole Perl life :-)
20:27 PerlJam in fact, a couple of times the study time far out-weighed the search time :)
20:28 Sewi Yes, really depends on the application.
20:28 Sewi But /(opt1|opt2|opt3|...|opt100)/ was much slower during testing than individual /opt1/'s
20:29 Sewi But gn8 for now :)
20:29 PerlJam Regexp::Assembly does a bit more than just opt1|opt2|...|optN
20:29 PerlJam er, Regexp::Assemble
20:29 PerlJam anyway .... later
20:34 PerlJam chorny: /o has no effect on qr//
20:34 PerlJam (at least last time I checked)
20:35 chorny I know that, but forgot :(
20:36 Hyppolit svn: r12069 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12069
20:36 Hyppolit remove //o - it is unneeded here
20:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
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21:29 Hyppolit svn: r12070 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12070
21:29 Hyppolit fill changes for one of previous commits
21:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/
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22:45 Hyppolit svn: r12071 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12071
22:45 Hyppolit compatibility with latest Padre
22:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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