Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-08-09

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01:50 * Alias is going to make a stab at finally getting back to incremental scanning for the directory tree
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04:23 szabgab gm
04:23 szabgab someone pls tell chorny, he got co-maint on the plugins
04:24 szabgab El_Che: thanks for the tip
04:42 waxhead hey szabgab
04:43 waxhead yeah, for the bits I've been in and out, chorny has been very busy
04:43 * waxhead had family visit over the weekend
04:43 waxhead changes?
04:44 szabgab I just got home from YAPC::EU yestreday
04:44 waxhead how do you tell Hyppolit something to remember?
04:44 waxhead szabgab, how was it?
04:44 waxhead I'd love to go to a big perl conference some day
04:44 szabgab Hyppolit: sg is explanation
04:44 Hyppolit sg was unknown
04:44 Hyppolit sg is now explanation
04:44 szabgab you have OSDC over there
04:45 waxhead Hyppolit: Changes is http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/Padre/Changes
04:45 Hyppolit Changes was unknown
04:45 Hyppolit Changes is now http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/Padre/Changes
04:45 szabgab I'd love to go yo OSDC::AU one day :)
04:45 waxhead changes
04:45 waxhead Changes
04:45 waxhead changes?
04:45 waxhead Changes?
04:45 Hyppolit Changes is http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/Padre/Changes
04:45 waxhead cool...
04:45 waxhead yeah, but it's not  a perl only thing...
04:47 waxhead Hyppolit: forget sg
04:48 waxhead so how do you get Hyppolit to forget something?
04:48 waxhead Hyppolit: help
04:48 waxhead :)
04:48 szabgab Hyppolit: sg is
04:48 szabgab Hyppolit: sg is ''
04:48 Hyppolit sg was explanation
04:48 Hyppolit sg is now ''
04:49 waxhead hmm... that implies that sg is still being held though
04:49 waxhead sg?
04:49 Hyppolit sg is ''
04:49 szabgab I think you cannot delete the entry
04:49 szabgab I'll have to look into that
04:49 waxhead Hyppolit: sg is not longer required
04:49 Hyppolit sg was ''
04:49 Hyppolit sg is now not longer required
04:49 szabgab :)
04:49 waxhead Hyppolit: forget sg
04:50 waxhead nope.. :)
04:50 szabgab Hyppolit: sg is also a sandbox
04:50 Hyppolit sg is now not longer required and also a sandbox
04:56 waxhead sandbox?
04:57 waxhead hmm.. there's a grammatical error there...
04:57 waxhead sg?
04:57 Hyppolit sg is not longer required and also a sandbox
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06:05 Hyppolit svn: r12172 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12172
06:05 Hyppolit version 0.06
06:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PAR/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PAR/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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06:44 Sewi Hi all
06:45 Sewi What would happen if Padre would have two tabs with the same filename?
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07:04 waxhead hey Sewi
07:05 Sewi Hi wax.
07:06 Sewi I'm thinking about a clone-tab function which copies a tab including the filename.
07:06 Sewi Editing and saving one file will force the other one into a refreshed-on-disk situation, but do I miss any other problems?
07:08 waxhead Both files are edited and in an unsaved situation?
07:08 waxhead you would have to allow some sort of 'merge' function between the two
07:09 waxhead or three or four.. :)
07:12 Sewi Maybe.
07:13 Alias I think it would be a really good idea to aggressively prevent duplicated tabs
07:13 Alias For the time being at least
07:13 Alias All our document model and document management code is still VERY 1st generation
07:13 Sewi I don't want to edit both of them but use the second one as a template and save-as while keeping the file path.
07:13 Alias So avoiding complicated features is a good idea
07:14 Alias huh?
07:14 Sewi Alias: You may be right.
07:14 Alias Can you restate the feature?
07:14 Alias Certainly creating a new file from a current one is quite simple
07:14 Alias In fact, that's one of the things we need for Ultraedit file change logic
07:14 Sewi (At least until we're able to use one common "document" within multiple editors)
07:14 Alias "This file has been deleted. Close it or keep it open?"
07:15 Alias If you say to keep open a deleted file, it turns the editor panel into a "new" file
07:15 Alias It's an unsaved file, but it remembers the "Foo.pm" part of the file name, and uses it as a title
07:15 Sewi We got parts of this.
07:15 Alias Yup
07:16 Alias But having multiple "open" files for the same file should be a definite no no
07:16 Alias Until document model 2.0, whenever the hell THAT happens
07:16 Sewi My usual combination for cloning: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-N, Ctrl-V
07:16 Alias I have more pressing issues for another half a year
07:16 Sewi Everything is fine with it as long as Ctrl-Alt-S is working.
07:17 Alias Well, there's SOME issues
07:17 Alias Even new files have a relationship with a project
07:17 Alias The question would be complicated by whether or not just the file was removed, or the whole project is gone
07:20 Sewi Anybody voting against a copy-current-tab-into-a-unsafed-fresh-o​ne-related-to-the-current-tabs-project - function?
07:23 waxhead shall we roll out a release this week?
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07:26 Alias waxhead: We'll need to disable access to preferences sync, but otherwise I'm happy I think
07:26 Alias I managed to make Padre faster again
07:37 Sewi We should face those function list and directory browser latencies
07:39 Alias I'm getting there
07:39 Alias See all that stuff about mid-task messages in the changes file?
07:39 Alias Needed that working first
07:39 Sewi ok
07:39 Alias Function List latency?
07:39 Alias THAT shouldn't be slow
07:40 Alias Outline might be, but not function alist
07:40 Sewi It's not really slow, but s
07:40 Sewi it stops updating sometimes.
07:41 Alias hrm
07:41 Sewi It's unchanged even if you change tabs and after some time it starts changing again if you switch tabs
07:41 Alias weird
07:41 Alias I haven't seen that
07:42 Sewi Oh, you keep searching for that function which must be in that file until you know about that bug :-)
07:44 waxhead yeah, the outline view doesn't update frequently enough either
07:45 waxhead Alias, I'll forewarn you about a release then so you can disable things as needed... or we can do it tonight/tomorrow...
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08:08 Alias I'm out tonight
08:08 Alias But you can try it yourself
08:09 Alias In the tools ->refresh, just add a ->{whatever}->Enable(0);
08:09 waxhead Alias, that's fine.. I'll leave it until later in the week...
08:09 waxhead OK.. I'll take a look and see how it goes
08:11 Alias Failing that, remove it entirely
08:11 Alias I kinda prefer having it greyed out to increase excitement and make sure we get translations
08:11 Alias But removing it entirely will do in a pinch
08:12 Alias And removing it entirely from the menu should be totally trivial
08:12 waxhead that's fine... I'll see how I go tonight.. might not get done... so we can go with the greyed out look and roll out later in the week
08:13 Alias I can't push as hard as I'd like anyway atm, until the election is over
08:14 waxhead yeah, you said that before.. still doing plenty though I see
08:16 Alias Bits and pices
08:16 Alias pieces
08:16 Alias Just did a couple of tweaks to the task manager
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08:44 nickl hello, I'm new to Padre and wanted to report a possible bug, do I do that here?
08:45 nickl it's a bug with the padre+strawberry windows installer
08:49 Sewi What happend?
08:51 nickl I already had strawberry installed fro use with Eclipse/EPIC, then I installed Padre, used it for a bit, uninstalled it, and it clobbered my original strawberry install
08:51 nickl not a big deal, but not very friendly
08:51 Sewi Alias?
08:51 waxhead nickl, so you had two strawberry perls installed?
08:52 waxhead or did you install strawberry perl and then installed strawberry perl + padre?
08:52 waxhead effectively being a case of installing strawberry perl on top of itself?
08:52 nickl I'm not sure... I guess Padre probably installed strawberry over the top of the existing installation
08:53 nickl then removed it
08:53 waxhead which if oyu had strawberry perl already installed, the simplest thing to have done was use cpan to install Padre
08:53 nickl ok, but I just went to the Padre site, clicked download, and great there's an MSI!
08:53 waxhead strawberry+padre is just that, strawberry perl AND Padre in the one install file, which if you had strawberry perl installed already, you shouldn't have done
08:54 waxhead right...
08:54 nickl yep I know that _now_ ;)
08:54 waxhead download?
08:54 Hyppolit download is http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
08:54 waxhead nickl, yeah.. painful way to learn though... :(
08:54 waxhead if you have strawberry perl installed already, use the cpan client to install Padre for you...
08:54 waxhead mind you, there's room for more pain there...
08:55 waxhead Hmm.. the download page does say it contains strawberry perl and padre...
08:56 nickl yeah like I say, not a big deal, but for people who are a bit dim like me it might be nice to either have the installer do a check, or offer option to install strawb to a new location, or just put a note on the download page
08:56 waxhead it doesn't say NOT to use it if you have strawberry perl already...
08:56 waxhead nickl, we can do something about the download page...
08:57 nickl great
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08:58 nickl tho probably most are more sensible than me anyay :)
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09:09 waxhead nickl, don't beat yourself up... I'd say most people who get caught out by this don't tell us..
09:10 Hyppolit svn: r12173 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12173
09:10 Hyppolit Added a warning to the stand alone download if you already have Strawberry perl installed.
09:10 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
09:11 waxhead bugger...
09:12 waxhead we really need a cpan client how to link...
09:12 waxhead the problem is that different things fail for different reasons...
09:12 waxhead but in general the reason they fail are the same..
09:37 nickl thanks, waxhead... great to come here with an issue, and have it fixed right away!
09:38 waxhead nickl, no prob.. I don't think it stands out enough, but it's a start..
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13:14 NickDA Hi I am trying to settup my Padre to use use activePerl for my work and a custom set of libraries
13:14 Sewi hi
13:15 NickDA I have the interpreter setup to point to the other Perl and the arguments settup as -IC:\mylibraries
13:15 NickDA but it doesn't seem to see the custom libraries
13:16 NickDA it keep looking at strawberry perl to do its syntax checking
13:17 NickDA Is there anything else I should be checking?
13:20 Sewi Syntax checking currently can't use "other" libraries.
13:20 Sewi This is a known drawback
13:20 NickDA ok thanks
13:21 NickDA do they pla  on adding it maybe in a future relaease
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16:16 kthakore Getty: ping!
16:17 kthakore Getty: may I have access to 64bit windoes?
16:21 Getty oh yes right
16:21 Getty let me check around
16:22 kthakore Getty: yay!
16:22 Getty no false hope
16:22 Getty i just ask people who does that all day as job if they got something spare
16:23 kthakore Getty: thank you soooooo much for tryin
16:23 Getty you are doing perl stuff, i have no choice
16:23 Getty ;)
16:23 kthakore haha
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18:05 arturop hello
18:06 arturop I've been trying to install Padre on Strawberry Perl on WinXP
18:06 arturop but one of the test fails and I've run out of googling, can find nothing
18:07 arturop within the make test section the test I'm talking about is t/15-locale.t
18:07 arturop I get
18:08 arturop 4/7 Missing or non-scalar value for setting 'locale' at C:\strawberry\cpan\build\Padre-0.6​8-GWHBH1\blib\lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 1589
18:08 arturop and
18:08 arturop t/15-locale.t .............. Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
18:09 arturop I was wondering if someone could give me a hand
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18:19 chorny arturop: google will not help you with Padre - it is frequently released and errors change
18:24 arturop right
18:24 arturop thx for that chorny
18:24 arturop in any case I was trying to find out if the locale test error was more general than Padre
18:25 chorny Which language does your XP use?
18:25 arturop Spanish
18:27 chorny es-es?
18:28 arturop I believe so but how can I find it out for sure?
18:30 chorny Wx::Locale::GetSystemLanguage();
18:31 arturop right hang on pls
18:34 arturop are you sure it's like that? Wx::Locale?
18:34 arturop my system can't find the function
18:37 arturop apologies if I'm making too 'simple' questions
18:38 shadowpaste "chorny" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "for arturop" (11 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/47785
18:38 arturop got it 187
18:38 arturop but I'll run this now
18:40 arturop it says it can't locate Padre/Constant.pm
18:41 arturop http://mibpaste.com/tq6O9S
18:43 chorny can you check http://wxwindowsjp.sourceforge.jp/​docs/html/wx/wx238.htm#wxlanguage and see if you have more exact language specification?
18:44 arturop sure
18:46 arturop well GetSystemLanguage returns 187
18:46 arturop but don't know what that corresponds to on the list of constants
18:46 arturop GetSystemLanguageName returns a blank string
18:47 arturop it "should" be wxLANGUAGE_SPANISH
18:47 chorny say 'ru-ru=',Wx::wxLANGUAGE_RUSSIAN;
18:47 chorny (bad paste)
18:47 chorny it's wxLANGUAGE_SPANISH_MODERN
18:48 arturop good that would make sense
18:50 arturop does that help?
18:50 Casan on a side note.. my vista os system language is English, yet I've set my location to French. I live in France, but prefer system language to be English. When I do a Wx::Locale::GetSystemLanguage() it returns 78 for French, and not 57 for ENGLISH_UK. Surprised me when I started up Padre.
18:51 chorny arturop: I can fix this as a quick hack, but don't knowif this would be correct
18:52 arturop I'm happy to follow your advice
18:52 arturop is there a trade-off to be made?
19:08 chorny arturop: try installing Padre with force and see if it will work
19:14 arturop erm how do I force install
19:14 arturop dmake force?
19:15 chorny if you are not using CPAN client, just do dmake install
19:16 chorny in CPAN client, "force install Padre"
19:16 arturop ok thx
19:16 arturop I'll let you know in a minut
19:16 arturop *minute
19:17 arturop right the installation has finished apparently flawlessly
19:18 arturop and the software comes up apparently well
19:19 arturop so I should say thx for your help
19:19 arturop and I'll be having a play with it
19:19 chorny if you installed Padre manually, can you do a test for me?
19:20 arturop sure
19:21 chorny perl -Mblib t/15-locale.t
19:23 arturop http://mibpaste.com/N4qD6v
19:25 chorny thanks
19:25 arturop no thx to you
19:51 kthakore Getty: ??? no workie?
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19:53 kthakore chorny: hi
19:53 chorny hi
19:53 kthakore chorny: who do I ask for plugin writing stuff?
19:53 Sewi Casan: There is an ongoing discussion on this (auto language selection)
19:54 Sewi We'll add a dialog asking for what you want on first startup, I think.
19:54 kthakore guess not
19:54 kthakore hi Sewi
19:54 Sewi Hi kthakore
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19:54 Sewi Ask the channel :)
19:55 kthakore Sewi: how can I get access to the Wx to run SDL in there? Liek this http://code.technoplaza.net/wx-sdl/part1/
19:55 kthakore chorny: ^^
19:55 kthakore from perl?
19:55 kthakore Sewi: can the padre plugin load XS?
19:55 chorny kthakore: do you want to write a plugin?
19:55 Sewi I'm pretty sure it can
19:56 Getty kthakore: tomorrow i get feedback
19:56 kthakore Getty: yay
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19:57 Getty you cant install it yourself cause of not having 64bit?
19:57 kthakore chorny: yes I do wanna make plugin for SDL in Padre. So you can ....
19:57 Getty cause you can get free windows from MS, that is never the problem
19:57 kthakore Getty: yeah -.-
19:57 Getty ok
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19:59 * chorny never wrote a Padre plugin from the beginning
21:06 Hyppolit svn: r12174 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12174
21:06 Hyppolit use Test::Exception for a test to get more clear fail reason
21:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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