Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-08-27

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02:48 Adam_ szabgab, ping?
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03:23 Alias Can anyone tell me what svn path they are using?
03:23 Alias Apparently you can get MKACTIVITY errors when your case sensitivity is wrong
03:40 Alias I think I've gotten the directory tree working again
03:48 Alias But I can't freaking commit
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06:43 * Alias is really annoyed at the svn repo
06:43 Alias I can't bloody commit
06:48 Alias I don't understand why some of my machines work, but others don't
06:49 Sewi What happens?
06:49 Alias I get 403 errors on MKACTIVITY
06:49 Alias The internet says it's maybe because of case sensitivity errors on the server
06:49 Sewi Do you have access to the server to look at the errorlog?
06:50 Alias or something
06:50 Alias No
06:50 Alias Only szabgab so far as I know
06:50 Sewi Maybe a case problem with your username or password?
06:50 Alias I don't see how
07:00 Alias Sewi: What repository URL are you using
07:00 Alias And 2. Can you do a fresh checkout on Windows and commit ok?
07:02 Sewi svn?
07:02 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/DownloadRepository and also http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/ and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser
07:02 Sewi This one (2nd)
07:03 Sewi No - I currently don't have SVN on windows :)
07:03 Sewi Wait, I''l download and install...
07:03 Alias Please, thank
07:21 Alias Any progress?
07:24 Sewi Installation completed
07:26 Hyppolit svn: r12377 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12377
07:26 Hyppolit This is a test
07:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:27 Alias Well that's weird
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07:29 Hyppolit svn: r12378 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12378
07:29 Hyppolit Directory tree improvements
07:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:29 Alias I can only commit if I use http and not https
07:30 Sewi Strange
07:31 Alias So the new directory tree code is looking pretty awesome
07:31 Alias Incremental discovery is back in place
07:31 Alias Although it doesn't save expansion state yet, and won't refresh properly to add or remove new entries
07:31 Alias But it's at least not going to explode on big home directories any more
07:32 Alias And all the tasks involved support cancellation
07:32 Alias So when you switch from one project to another, all the background file scanning stops and restarts for the new project properly
07:33 Hyppolit svn: r12379 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12379
07:33 Hyppolit This is a test
07:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:33 Sewi Working (with http)
07:36 Alias Man, off
07:36 Alias I would have thought you shouldn't be able to commit with security off
07:39 Alias In any case, I'm happy to get my directory tree stuff in, and to understand why it wasn't working
07:39 Alias So I'm going to head off I think
07:40 Sewi sleep well :)
07:42 Alias Oh it's not sleeing
07:42 Alias It's 5:42pm and I'm at Microsoft TechEd
07:42 Alias For the sekrit open source track in the backrooms
07:42 El_Che Alias: are you speaking today?
07:43 Alias Spoke on Wednesday
07:43 Alias Unofficially
07:43 Alias My badge doesn't actually say speaker
07:43 Alias Nobody's does :)
07:43 Alias This track doesn't actually exist
07:43 Alias It's one of those "faceless men in dark rooms" things
07:43 El_Che sounds kink
07:43 El_Che y
07:43 El_Che :)
07:43 El_Che how is the experience so far?
07:45 Alias It was nice to catch up with the open source microsofties again
07:46 Alias The conference itself was endless talks about Azure, Sharepoint, Windows Phone 7 and Powershell
07:46 Alias So not exactly my cup of tea
07:46 Alias I did, however, see a few people in Visual Studio demos doing some interesting things
07:47 Alias So I'm currently intalling Visual Studio Ultimate from the MSDN subscription I made them give me
07:47 El_Che I know MS has some opensource people, but it is still difficult for me to picture it
07:47 Alias To see how viable it might be to steal stuff for Padre
07:48 Alias Now we've got what I hope is a truly scalable threads/task platform, there's lots more opportunities to steal CPU heavy features
07:48 Alias Also, the wireless here is awesome
07:48 Alias Now almost everyone else has left, I'm getting 2.4meg a second on the wireless
07:49 Alias I'm just torrenting some stuff for the flight home
07:49 Alias Then I'll be out of here as well
07:53 El_Che hehe
07:53 Alias right, later
07:53 El_Che Alias, how is perl thread performance nowadays
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07:53 El_Che damns
07:53 El_Che :)
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10:09 Hyppolit svn: r12380 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12380
10:09 Hyppolit Updated Padre and Catalyst Plugin Italian translation
10:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/share/locale/
10:21 zenog One question: Is there a place in the Padre source code where I can catch keyboard events -- e.g. pressing Ctrl-PageUp?
10:23 Steffen I think this is generally done per widget?
10:24 zenog It can be on a higher level. I just see that you can specify shortcuts for actions in ActionnLibrary.pm
10:24 Steffen Okay, sorry for the misinformation.
10:24 Steffen I'm a bit rusty with my Wx.
10:24 zenog I wonder whether it would be possible to declare several different shortcuts for the same action.
10:25 zenog Steffen: I don't think that was misinformation ... I did not really clarify what I meant ;-)
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10:30 zenog I guess I'll ask Alias when he's the next time around ...
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10:43 zenog Who uses/likes the current shortcuts for cycling through the opened files (Alt-Left, Alt-Right)?
10:43 zenog Firefox, Chrome, the GNOME Terminal, etc. use Ctrl-PageUp/Ctrl-PageDown.
10:44 zenog Would anyone object to changing the shortcut for better external consistency?
10:46 zenog I only know about Linux, in particular GNOME, so I'd like to know what the typical behavior of tabbed applications on Mac OS X and Windows is ...
10:52 zenog ... otherwise I'll just do it and see if someone complains ;-)
10:53 Jagdwurs1 hi zenog :(
10:53 Jagdwurs1 i had never used Ctrl-PageUp or Alt-Pageup keys
10:55 zenog Jagdwurs1: You mean in Padre or in other applications? Which platform?
10:56 Jagdwurs1 zenog: in every application, i switch tabs just with mouse :D
10:57 zenog Jagdwurs1: Okay, that means a change here would make no difference to you ;-)
10:58 Jagdwurs1 yep
11:05 Hyppolit svn: r12381 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12381
11:05 Hyppolit external consistency: tab switching similar to Google Chrome, Firefox, etc.
11:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:13 Sewi zeno: Why do you change defaults which have been in place for month?
11:16 zenog Sewi: Because many other applications do it differently, and it would be nice for new users if Padre behaves like they expect it.
11:17 zenog Sewi: If it is a big problem, it can be rolled back ... but first I would rather discuss this.
11:17 Sewi Some other applications you use on Windows have other things
11:17 Sewi Yes, discuss it first, please. Before changing things others are used to and expect to work.
11:17 Sewi Or add both shortcuts
11:18 zenog Sewi: Adding both shortcuts would be best, but is not (yet) supported ... at least it is not obvious to me (was the thing that I wanted to try first)
11:19 Sewi It IS supported, in Main.pm
11:19 Sewi But don't say "I changed defaults, let's discuss the changes while others can't work with Padre any longer"
11:21 zenog Sewi: Fair enough, but please consider the change was in trunk, and it does not break anything.
11:22 Sewi Oh, it breaks the work of everybody working with Padre.
11:23 Sewi And things like this accidentally go into releases, usually.
11:26 zenog Sewi: I disagree with you here. It 'breaks' only the work of those people who use 'Alt-Left/Right' regularly. Where 'break' means they will be startled for a second, just to realize then it is now done like in many other applications.
11:27 zenog Sewi: And honestly, I doubt there are really many who use Alt-Left/-Right, because some people use the mouse, some people use Ctrl-Tab, etc.
11:28 zenog Sewi: plus, this is not a stable release of Padre, and the UI is not frozen, but open to changes.
11:28 zenog Sewi: But of course I am happy to discuss the changes ;-)
11:31 zenog Sewi: I am not sure whether changing it in sub key_up is the way to go - maybe it would be nicer to extend Action.pm to support several shortcuts for each action.
11:32 Sewi zenog: It's nor "many", it's "two" and it's Windows-dependent
11:32 zenog Sewi: This would also be necessary anyway if we want to allow several shortcuts per action when users are allowed to redefine shortcuts using the (not finished) shortcut editor.
11:34 Sewi Please revert it, add Ctrl+PgUp/Down to Main.pm::KeyUp and then start adding multiple shortcuts to the actions model if you want
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11:37 zenog Sewi: What do you think: leave the name 'shortcut', but additionally (to the current scalars) allow array references containing several shortcuts, or rename it to 'shortcuts' and only allow array references as values?
11:41 Sewi first option: shortcut => SCALAR and shortcut => ARRAY-ref
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12:39 mkt-REssaCaNiver hello for all
12:50 zenog Hi mkt-REssaCaNiver
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13:00 zenog hm. Seems as if it is not that easy to have more than one shortcut per action, because the shortcuts are defined by what is in the menu, and that can only be one shortcut ...
13:01 Sewi Sure.
13:01 Sewi Push the first one to the menu and any others to a map for Main.pm::KeyUp
13:08 zenog hm. Not very satisfying, but will try something like this ...
13:19 Hyppolit svn: r12382 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12382
13:19 Hyppolit update zh-cn translation
13:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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13:25 zenog jagd++
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13:29 Jagdwurs1 :D thx
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15:23 dapatrick When is the next release due?
15:23 dapatrick Or rather, when is feature freez?
15:23 dapatrick e
15:23 dapatrick I ask because I need to get some more tests in for the Method::Signatures stuff and I'm trying to gauge how much time I have to do so.
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16:19 zenog danlucraft: I guess there are no feature freezes ...
16:19 zenog oops, meant dapatrick, of course
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16:32 zenog Wouldn't it be nice to have shortcuts for the refactoring features?
16:32 zenog Any suggestions?
16:33 zenog Currently, I only use MonoDevelop as another refactoring IDE, and there F2 is for "rename variable". What is the shortcut in Eclipse?
16:34 dapatrick zenog++
16:35 dapatrick I don't remember the shortcuts in Eclipse, but yes, that would be nice.
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16:38 zenog It's Shift-Alt-R in Eclipse.
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22:59 Laidback_01 hello. I need to create a windows binary to mgmt of records in a db.  This is to be contained in our hospital.  I'm liking perl, but... anyway, since you guys use Wx and perl, I thought it best to ask here.  well Khisanth let me here anyway..
23:00 Laidback_01 so, for my first gui based app, would it be a wise choice to choose Perl & Wx?  I'd need to distribute this app to around 2k machines when it's complete.
23:01 Laidback_01 Or, is there a better-for-a-beginner/simpler choice I should make?
23:45 mattp_ youve never done gui programming before?

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