Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-09-14

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04:16 awnstudio_ anyone working on a new website for Padre?
04:17 awnstudio_ i saw something in the logs the other day pointed to a new branch (looks like svn), but im not sure, figured i'd ask
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04:40 * awnstudio_ got Padre installed, had to drop the f bomb though, and the -f flag
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05:39 Alias__ awnstudio: Would you like to help make one?
05:41 Alias__ awnstudio_, we're trying to remove some of the more aggressive dependencies
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05:45 awnstudio_ Alias__, yes, I'd like to throw together a mockup, ..., I couldnt really follow the design in the svn repo.
05:46 awnstudio_ looks like a couple xml files buy I didnt see what renders them
05:47 Alias__ To be honest, I find the current website almost entirely unmaintainable
05:47 Alias__ You can alter some data files, and have that data change the site
05:47 Alias__ But nobody has been able to improve the design
05:48 awnstudio_ i'd like to take a crack at it
05:48 Alias__ If you could start from design, that would be great
05:49 Alias__ Because we never really did an actual website design the first time around
05:49 Alias__ OR hell, make the current one look prettier
05:49 Alias__ Whatever you think is best
05:50 Alias__ Padre Rules 1 - Shit is better than nothing, improvements are better than nothing, volunteers are everything
05:51 awnstudio_ cool, and on that note, im on it
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06:19 Sewi ping zenog
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07:17 zenog Sewi: ja?
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08:03 waxhead awnstudio_++ for web site
08:04 awnstudio_ im lovin Padre, sorry I couldn't help out with the development, ...., but im here now though :)
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08:14 waxhead that's cool... it's the work of a lot of people, each bit counts...
08:14 waxhead some people's bits are a little more than others.. :)
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09:17 zenog awnstudio_: I have some ideas about the website structure, if you are interested ...
09:17 awnstudio_ i am, shoot
09:26 zenog First of all, some possible sources of inspiration (both design- and structure-wise): http://strawberryperl.com/
09:27 zenog http://cream.sourceforge.net/
09:27 zenog http://monodevelop.com/
09:27 zenog Right now, there are 12 main items on top, which is way too much.
09:28 zenog I'd suggest e.g. these 6: Home - Screenshots - Download - Support - Documentation - Getting Involved
09:28 danlucraft1 zenog: don't forget redcareditor.com :)
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09:30 zenog All additional content could be linked from those main pages.
09:30 zenog danlucraft: yes, that one is also much nicer than the current Padre homepage ;-)
09:31 zenog awnstudio_: I have created a new branch for the website, if you want you can make any modifications there.
09:32 zenog awnstudio_: Or would you like to first do a draft etc.?
09:32 zenog awnstudio_: Whatever, I won't claim I have understood all aspects of how the website works, but if you have questions don't hesitate to ask, I'll do my best to come up with an answer.
09:37 awnstudio_ zenog, i'd like to do a draft and get feedback first
09:38 awnstudio_ i need cross-platform images of the editor in-action, if possible
09:39 danlucraft zenog: yeah, well, you're logo is still >>> redcar's :)
09:39 zenog danlucraft: But not free :-(
09:39 danlucraft zenog: really? you mean licensewise?
09:40 zenog danlucraft: yes
09:40 zenog awnstudio_: There are screenshots here: http://padre.perlide.org/screenshots.html and here http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Screenshots
09:41 zenog awnstudio_: If you need more screenshots of specific platforms and functions, just ask here in IRC.
09:41 awnstudio_ ok thanx
09:42 zenog danlucraft: Sorry, I am wrong. The splash screen image is non-free.
09:42 zenog danlucraft: The logo should be free.
09:44 awnstudio_ splash screen?
09:44 danlucraft zenog: gotcha
09:45 Alias__ um
09:45 Alias__ The splash screen image MUST be what it is
09:45 awnstudio_ oh right gotcha
09:45 Alias__ If it's CC non-commercial, it can't be shipped with certain things
09:46 Alias__ Actually, it's already that
09:46 Alias__ Which is why debian patches the splash screen out of existance
09:48 zenog Alias__: That's what I meant.
09:48 waxhead danlucraft, nice... maybe you can do our web site with awnstudio_   :)
09:49 danlucraft waxhead: it took me like 10 hours to get it like that
09:49 danlucraft danlucraft <- not the greatest css hacker ever :)
09:49 * waxhead hates that part about web pages
09:49 waxhead code is fine and fun.. layout and presentation... sigh
09:51 waxhead danlucraft, so how goes the ide hacking?
09:53 danlucraft waxhead: just working on macro support, which is going well. getting tripped up by block selection right now.
09:56 danlucraft waxhead: was it you I was talking to about commit rights for the main repo?
09:57 waxhead danlucraft, not me... at least not lately...
09:57 waxhead Alias maybe?
09:57 danlucraft yeah, deffo Alias
09:57 Alias__ ?
09:57 danlucraft Alias__: I took your advice, and opened up commit rights for the redcar repo
09:58 danlucraft should have done it a lot sooner :)
09:58 Alias__ :)
09:58 Alias__ Told ya :)
10:00 danlucraft biab
10:00 waxhead oh... someone's let go of the reigns a bit have they? :)
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10:15 awnstudio_ can I use Padr� on the mockup
10:19 awnstudio_ how can i access/download the favicon?
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10:26 zenog awnstudio_: Look up its address in the HTML code and then retrieve it with the browser or wget.
10:27 awnstudio_ tried, its not listed
10:27 awnstudio_ can i get html, css and perl tidy for padre?
10:28 awnstudio_ got favicon
10:28 zenog awnstudio_: Then the name is /favicon.ico
10:28 zenog There is an HTML plugin that works for me.
10:28 awnstudio_ gotit
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10:31 waxhead better late than never: http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_lavender​/2010/09/padre-070-has-been-released.html
10:32 kthakore waxhead: yay!
10:33 waxhead yep..
10:33 kthakore waxhead++
10:33 waxhead just in time for 0.71, or whatever we're going to use.. :)
10:34 kthakore yeah I need a fix from trunk
10:34 waxhead kthakore, how goes the SDL cookbook?
10:34 kthakore waxhead: goodish
10:34 waxhead hard going?
10:34 kthakore yeah
10:34 kthakore ...
10:34 waxhead documentation really is a pain
10:34 kthakore I am waking early for it
10:34 waxhead yike... really?
10:34 kthakore waxhead: can I get comments on something
10:34 waxhead sure
10:34 kthakore waxhead: yeah I have school during the day
10:34 kthakore hold on uploading new one
10:39 waxhead szabgab, ping
10:40 waxhead szabgab, I've changed locations for the Padre release announcements, blogs.perl.org, but I can't seem to find an rss or atom link for what I post...
10:57 Hyppolit svn: r12467 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12467
10:57 Hyppolit changed blog link - not sure if it will work though
10:57 Hyppolit trunk/blogs.padre.perlide.org/data/
11:00 Hyppolit svn: r12468 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12468
11:00 Hyppolit Added link to release annoucement.
11:00 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
11:22 awnstudio_ padre crashes when i try to run code thru external tool
11:23 zenog awnstudio_: You mean if you execute Perl scripts in an external window?
11:23 kthakore zenog: no that option to output code in a shell instead of embedded output
11:23 kthakore awnstudio_: what OS? what was the fail message?
11:23 awnstudio_ no fail message, Win XP
11:23 kthakore ok
11:24 kthakore awnstudio_: do you have an example of the script?
11:24 kthakore can you reproduce it? new Padre?
11:24 awnstudio_ new Padre, i have csstidy installed on my system
11:25 kthakore ok
11:25 kthakore turn of all plugins and try again
11:25 awnstudio_ in Komodo i define "csstidy -" and it works, the - tells csstidy to expect from stdin
11:25 kthakore ok
11:25 kthakore make a bug report for it with a same script and what you did
11:29 Hyppolit svn: r12469 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12469
11:29 Hyppolit Moving version from 0.70 to 0.71
11:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/Devel/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Pl
11:30 Alias__ righto
11:30 waxhead Alias__, want to make that part of the process for releases?
11:30 waxhead once rolled out set version to next dev version?
11:30 Alias__ probably
11:30 Hyppolit svn: r12470 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/12470
11:30 Hyppolit Nudging to 0.72
11:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:34 Alias__ Sewi: Ping
11:34 Alias__ I think you've accidentally made Module::Install a dependency for Format::Human::Bytes
11:42 waxhead hmmm.. did I just break blogs.padre.perlide.org?
11:43 waxhead oh... maybe not... I've changed the link, so it's removed all the old vox.com ones
11:43 waxhead but it's not picking up blogs.perl.org
11:43 waxhead Alias__, where are you goign to blog to now?
11:44 Alias__ Dunno
11:44 Alias__ Presumably blogs.perl.org
11:44 waxhead guess so now...
11:52 waxhead hmmm I can't see where I can add my blog feed on blogs.perl.org to the planet on blogs.padre.perlide.org
11:56 Sewi Alias: pong
11:56 Alias__ Format::Human::Bytes
11:57 Alias__ You've made Module::Install a dependency of it
11:57 Alias__ It's adding about 10 deps to Padre
11:58 Sewi sorry
11:58 Alias__ n/p
11:59 Sewi Must be my first released module
11:59 Sewi changing it to "test_required "Test::More";" without mentioning module::install should be ok, shouldn't it?
12:00 Alias__ yup
12:00 Sewi Releasing...
12:08 Sewi Seems CPAN isn't twitter'ing updates any longer.
12:08 Sewi 0.06 uploaded to cpan
12:08 Sewi pause
12:08 Alias__ ta
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12:59 zenog One question that came up some days ago: Is there a particular reason that template.pl and template.pm contain "use 5.006;"?
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13:12 user_4324 is there a way to upload a script to a ftp sever via padre ?
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13:27 zenog Got this one again: (padre:1553): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_has_alpha: assertion `GDK_IS_PIXBUF (pixbuf)' failed
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19:06 dapatrick Just realized that MooseX::Declare support is incomplete.
19:06 dapatrick Paste the synopsis from http://search.cpan.org/~flora/MooseX​-Declare-0.34/lib/MooseX/Declare.pm into Padre.
19:07 dapatrick No package ("class") support, therefore the methods and attributes get smushed together.
19:13 dapatrick Actually, it's incomplete in a lot of ways, but specifically irt outline.
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