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IRC log for #padre, 2010-11-06

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04:10 Hyppolit svn: r13016 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13016
04:10 Hyppolit [tools] Fix unix newline on win32 and did some general code cleanup for parse_wxwidgets_docs.pl
04:10 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
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04:35 azawawi hi
04:50 waxhead hey azawawi
04:50 * waxhead is just home from an afternoon of kids sport
04:50 azawawi waxhead: cool
04:51 azawawi waxhead: i have a licensing question about wxwidgets.pod
04:51 waxhead time for a coffee...
04:51 waxhead and you're going to ask me?
04:51 azawawi yup :)
04:51 waxhead shoot.. not sure I can answer much though.. :)
04:51 azawawi it is really about file organization...
04:52 waxhead it's something that needs to be sorted out though as it's holding up the debian packaging
04:52 azawawi The copyright notice file is found online at http://docs.wxwidgets.org/2.​8.10/wx_copyrightnotice.html The file is licensed under the wxWindows Gnu License http://docs.wxwidgets.org/2.8.10/wx_wxlicense.html and it also references the "GNU Library General Public License, Version 2", http://docs.wxwidgets.org/​2.8.10/wx_gnulicense.html
04:52 azawawi damyan didnt answer my question there...
04:52 azawawi forgot that is lol
04:52 azawawi should i just include the html as it is
04:53 azawawi or transform text versions of them into Copyright, wxlicense and gnulicense (Copying) ?
04:53 waxhead gee.. I really don't know.  :(
04:54 azawawi hmmm...
04:54 azawawi i'll include the original HTML version
04:54 waxhead what about wording like:
04:54 azawawi yeah?
04:54 waxhead Copyright is GNU as detailed in the < links >
04:55 waxhead rather than a whole copy and paste ?
04:55 azawawi include it in the generated pod under a license or a copyright =head1 ?
04:55 waxhead yeah, I reckon so
04:56 waxhead keeps the size overhead down and is clear that it conforms to the wx copyright
04:56 waxhead with the links to the relevant documents
04:56 azawawi thx
04:57 waxhead so you can copyright your work, being the parser as whatever terms you copy right is as and mention that the pod is derived from the wx docuemntation which is released under the GNU license.
04:57 azawawi and the wxLicense
04:57 azawawi wxWindows license v3.1
04:57 azawawi i hate license stuff.. lol
04:57 azawawi complicated things
04:58 azawawi and im coughing my eyes out atm but i need to finish that wizard plugin api stuff :)
05:01 * azawawi tea break & :)
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05:06 Hyppolit svn: r13017 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13017
05:06 Hyppolit [tools] Lazy loaded some of the modules and added a TODO copyright and licensing POD section
05:06 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
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05:33 Hyppolit svn: r13018 | patspam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13018
05:33 Hyppolit 1.200 release
05:33 Hyppolit
05:33 Hyppolit * Added Arabic translation (azawawi++)
05:33 Hyppolit * Added Turkish translation (burak++)
05:33 Hyppolit * Added Italian translation (sblandin++)
05:33 Hyppolit * Updated to use new Dist::Zilla::PluginBundle::PDONELAN
05:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/Plack/
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05:36 azawawi waxhead: ping
05:37 azawawi ping :)
05:44 waxhead pong
05:44 waxhead azawawi, pong
05:44 azawawi waxhead: wxwidgets.pod is increasing the size of the Padre distribution, right?
05:45 azawawi waxhead: how about? :)
05:45 waxhead azawawi, yep.. of course.. but is it a problem?
05:45 azawawi waxhead: refactoring it into Padre::Plugin::wxWidgets
05:45 azawawi waxhead: and making it an optional requirement if you want to see wx documentation in Padre
05:45 waxhead dunno.. that implies that it's a wxWidgets builder type thing
05:46 waxhead yeah, I see what you're saying
05:46 azawawi waxhead: yeah wxwidgets project support that is
05:46 waxhead how big is the pod though?
05:46 azawawi 1866kB
05:46 waxhead oh.. that is reasonably big..
05:47 azawawi 434 KB compressed...
05:47 waxhead in general though, not too bad in todays media heavy world
05:47 waxhead is there such a thing as compressed pod?
05:47 waxhead personally I like having the pod there and available when in padre
05:48 azawawi Anyway, it was an idea :)
05:48 waxhead given it's written in wx, I don't have a problem with the added bytes for the sheer convienence of it
05:48 azawawi i like keeping the core small and everything to plugins
05:48 waxhead a fair one.. but I think it's something we can worry about when people start complaining about the size of padre
05:49 waxhead sure... if you want to do is a plugin then Padre::Plugin:wxWidgetsDocs
05:49 azawawi what im thinking of
05:49 waxhead or  Padre::Plugin:wxWidgets::Docs ??
05:49 azawawi since im working on the wizard stuff
05:49 azawawi every plugin will be able to contribute their own wizards to File->New->Wizard
05:50 azawawi this means no more submenu in catalyst, mojolicious, plack, Perl 6 to create templates
05:50 azawawi submenu=sub menus
05:50 azawawi initially it will be a simple list of actions
05:51 azawawi but then it will be a tree, 'Perl 6', 'Catalyst', 'Dist::Zilla'
05:51 azawawi 'Moose'
05:51 azawawi :)
05:51 azawawi Padre::Plugin::Moose will be able to create classes, roles, ...etc via Padre's wizard
05:52 azawawi sort of stuff you would expect when dealing with IDEs today
05:57 Hyppolit svn: r13019 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13019
05:57 Hyppolit Updated the Spanish translation
05:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
05:58 Hyppolit svn: r13020 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13020
05:58 Hyppolit Updated the Spanish translation
05:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
06:02 waxhead azawawi++
06:02 waxhead cool
06:02 * waxhead is watching android dev vids...
06:04 Hyppolit svn: r13021 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13021
06:04 Hyppolit [tools, Padre] COPYRIGHT and LICENSE section is now complete. Please review.
06:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/doc/wxwidgets/ trunk/tools/
06:05 azawawi waxhead: please let me know if the wording is ok or not
06:05 azawawi waxhead: and is clear or not
06:08 Hyppolit svn: r13022 | patspam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13022
06:08 Hyppolit 1.001 release - Updated to use Dist::Zilla
06:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/​lib/Padre/Document/WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib​/Padre/Document/WebGUI/Asset/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/Plugin/WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/t/
06:08 azawawi patspam++ :)
06:08 patspam I'm dzillifying all my modules :)
06:09 patspam azawawi++ # thanks for the arabic translation btw!
06:09 azawawi btw we now use @PadrePlugin
06:09 azawawi see Alarm for an example
06:09 azawawi s/see/please see/
06:09 azawawi patspam: np :)
06:10 * azawawi looks for a quick cure for his dry coughing...
06:10 patspam warm cup of tea?
06:11 azawawi tried that
06:11 azawawi i forgot to wear some warm clothes while going out to the gym in the early morning...
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06:25 Hyppolit svn: r13023 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13023
06:25 Hyppolit Renamed "File Wizard" feature into "Wizard Selector" and removed the translation update in Changes.
06:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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07:23 Hyppolit svn: r13024 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13024
07:23 Hyppolit [ClassSniff] Switched to Dist::Zilla. Code cleanup.
07:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/t/
07:24 waxhead azawawi, INAL, but that looks OK by me.. might mention that your work is copy under the same terms as Perl or what ever it is the boiler plate Padre has?
07:24 azawawi waxhead: ok
07:25 waxhead The script lives in tools, so it won't be in Padre as a package, but if the documentation remains, then I think it should be enough.. Damyan would know more.
07:25 waxhead azawawi, and if you did move it to a module and remove it from Padre, the Debian stuff wouldn't be an issue any longer I guess.
07:26 waxhead azawawi, lets see what Damyan comes back with.  :)
07:27 * azawawi updates wxwidgets.pod
07:36 Hyppolit svn: r13025 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13025
07:36 Hyppolit Updated Copyright and license section to be less verbose, added Perl 5 licensing at the end and fixed indentation. waxhead++
07:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/doc/wxwidgets/ trunk/tools/
07:36 waxhead oooo.. wx internals...
07:37 waxhead I know we have right clicky stuff else where... just have to find it...
07:37 Hyppolit svn: r13026 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13026
07:37 Hyppolit Updated Changes
07:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:42 Hyppolit svn: r13027 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13027
07:42 Hyppolit [ClassSniff, Plack, WebGUI] Updated svn:ignore
07:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/
07:43 Hyppolit svn: r13028 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13028
07:43 Hyppolit [ClassSniff] 'dzil test' now works
07:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/lib/Padre/Task/
07:46 Hyppolit svn: r13029 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13029
07:46 Hyppolit [ClassSniff] Reorganized menu items and Perl tidied the code
07:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/lib/Padre/Task/
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10:14 zenog hi everyone
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13:46 Hyppolit svn: r13030 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13030
13:46 Hyppolit updated brazilian portuguese translation
13:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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14:31 zenog garu++
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15:25 garu zenog: :)
15:41 garu that's odd... all strings are translated, and yet I see tons of menu options still in english :/
15:43 zenog garu: have you installed the new version?
15:43 zenog (the standard error ;-)
15:44 zenog garu: removed the 'fuzzy' tags?
15:45 zenog garu: e.g. line 302 still has "" instead of a translation
15:47 zenog actually, the thing that you committed does not contain any new .pt string, now that I look at it.
15:47 zenog maybe you edited another file, and then did not copy it to pt-br.po?
15:51 garu zenog: I'm running trunk
15:52 garu hmm
15:55 zenog garu: I mean, the stuff that you just committed http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13030
15:55 garu zenog: check out line 1206 of pt-br.po
15:55 garu on that link
15:55 garu there were only a couple of new strings (2 or 3 I think, regarding the wizard feature
15:55 garu )
15:56 zenog 1206 is ""
15:56 zenog ah okay
15:56 garu you see it? or am I doing something stupid?
15:56 garu or... both? :D
15:56 zenog 4108, there it is
15:57 garu hmm we might be seeing different line numbers
15:57 garu ah, ok
15:57 garu nevermind
15:57 zenog I refer to what I see from trac
15:58 garu still, what am I doing wrong?
15:58 garu hmm
15:58 garu some translations were indeed lost
15:58 garu wtf
15:58 garu I think poedit is screwing with me
15:59 zenog I use a normal editor (guess which one), and it suits me well.
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16:00 garu hehe
16:00 garu sigh
16:00 garu I had all of that translated before :(
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16:06 zenog :-(
16:09 garu zenog: I think I found the problem
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16:10 zenog garu: What was it?
16:10 garu zenog: can you open pt-br.po up, and goto line 4679
16:10 garu ?
16:10 garu all strings are there, but starting with #~
16:10 garu and without reference to the source file
16:12 garu you see it?
16:13 zenog yeah
16:13 zenog That was poedit?
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16:16 azawawi zenog: ping
16:16 zenog pong
16:16 azawawi zenog: nice suggestion about the credits dialog
16:17 azawawi zenog: wanted to discuss with you the move of parse_wxwidgets_doc.pl into share/doc
16:17 azawawi zenog: do you think that's ok?
16:17 zenog azawawi: You want to move the script to share/doc?
16:18 azawawi since damyan wants to re-use it somehow
16:18 zenog Where is it currently?
16:18 azawawi tools
16:19 azawawi i was speaking to peter (waxhead) earlier and another idea popped
16:19 azawawi Padre::Plugin::Wx stuff
16:19 zenog I think tools/ is a nice place for it, but if damyan needs it somewhere else ... I do not have a strong opinion here ;-)
16:19 azawawi so if you have it installed Padre would try to read wxwidgets.pod from its api
16:19 azawawi decisions decisions lol
16:20 zenog You mean it would try to read it from the installed version of WxWidgets?
16:20 azawawi no, that doesnt have html document as far as i know
16:21 zenog I'll read the irc log, one moment ...
16:22 azawawi i mean that we could (a) bundle it outside into a Plugin that support wxwidgets development or (b) or generate it on the fly the first time Padre Help is run....
16:23 azawawi but (b) would bring some extra deps ofcouse
16:23 zenog If there is a plug-in that supports WxWidgets, then it would be the right place for it.
16:23 azawawi aha...
16:23 azawawi and keeps the core small
16:23 zenog I am not sure whether (b) is the right thing to do, as it makes things more complicated, and there are certain assumptions (internet connection, etc.)
16:23 azawawi if the user wants Wx support in Padre, he/she/it installs the wx plugin :)
16:23 azawawi it = aliens :)
16:24 zenog Yep, why not.
16:25 azawawi (a) and that way we adhere to Alias-minimizing-Padre rule :)
16:25 zenog If there were a special Wx development plug-in, it would even be strange to have the API doc in Padre core.
16:25 azawawi i heard him complaining about Padre's size when i committed it but i ignored it... Sorry alias :)
16:25 azawawi ignored it to play games lol :)
16:25 zenog Are there plans for a wx plugin? If so, I am clearly in favor of (a).
16:26 azawawi cool fixing :)
16:26 azawawi sure that's my master plan
16:26 azawawi config_wizard_selector => true
16:26 garu azawawi++
16:26 azawawi you get a wizard launcher that plugins contribute actions to...
16:26 zenog That wizard stuff seems to be cool, I have to try it out!
16:26 zenog azawawi++
16:27 azawawi but nothing is really working but the basic ui atm
16:27 azawawi damn electricity knocked me offline for like 6 hours today
16:27 garu btw, is keedi kim around?
16:27 * garu is travelling to south korea in a few hours :)
16:27 azawawi garu++  # Dubai... :)
16:28 azawawi zenog++ # Cool productive discussion
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16:29 garu azawawi: if you have plans for travelling to AEU and want to grab a beer, I think I arrive in Dubai on the 30th
16:29 azawawi garu: tea... coffee... not beer :)
16:29 garu or that.. I'm not a huge fan of beer either :)
16:29 azawawi garu: well, i cant until jan
16:29 garu ahhh
16:29 garu ok :(
16:30 azawawi garu: but im getting a holiday on tuesday (elections) and next week ... near whole week eid holiday
16:30 garu sweet
16:30 azawawi garu: i hope i can accomplish something for Padre during this time
16:30 garu oO
16:31 azawawi garu: when are you arriving to Dubai?
16:31 garu more than what you're already doing?
16:31 zenog azawawi: btw, you and alias are excluded from the "bounty" that I announced, you'll get a tea/coffee anyway in case I meet you ;-)
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16:31 azawawi zenog: :)
16:31 azawawi garu: november = development month
16:32 garu hehe
16:32 azawawi garu: december = gaming month :)
16:32 garu azawawi: what are you playing? starcraft 2?
16:32 azawawi garu: worst :) ... wow lol
16:32 azawawi garu: but im immune now
16:33 zenog azawawi: So are switching hobbies on a monthly basis? :-)
16:33 azawawi garu: though im gonna get sc2 for sure
16:33 azawawi zenog: keeps the addiction in check :)
16:33 garu azawawi: I arrive tomorrow in dubai but I'll just take the connection to seoul... then while getting back to Rio I'll stay 4 nights in Dubai, arriving on the 28th
16:33 azawawi zenog: and makes me more enthusiastic about the next thing
16:34 zenog azawawi: Sounds like a nice technique ...
16:35 garu azawawi: visiting Jordan is definitely in my @TODO, but I'll probably only have money to do it in a few years now
16:35 azawawi garu: if you're carrying luggage, beware that their new metro from the airport does not allow much luggage... stupid. i dont know if they fixed it.
16:36 garu azawawi: cool, thanks. I have a transfer from the hotel waiting for me at the airport though
16:36 azawawi garu: dont worry i may move to dubai/abu dhabi next year :)
16:37 azawawi garu: nice... you'll like it for sure... lots of activities
16:37 azawawi garu: most like the sea sports activities
16:37 azawawi garu: sand surfing... i dunno havent tried it though :)
16:38 azawawi garu: but you'll like it... plan ahead and enjoy it :)
16:39 azawawi zenog: Thanks. that technique took me years to perfect lol :)
16:40 garu I'm travelling with my girlfriend, she really wants to check out the dubai mall :P
16:41 azawawi ouch the gold market... lol
16:41 garu hehehe
16:41 azawawi gold + diamonds...
16:41 * garu hides the credit card
16:43 azawawi we'll see :)
16:44 azawawi you need pure luck to dodge all of these http://www.thedubaimall.com/en/general/s​hopcategory?filterTermId=159&amp;type=1 :)
16:47 zenog see you later guys &
16:47 garu bye zenog
16:47 azawawi bye
16:48 azawawi garu: i had great memories in Dubai Mamzar park...
16:48 azawawi garu: That's really nice and costs like nothing
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16:50 azawawi anyway... gtg now... it is nice talking to you, garu :)
16:50 azawawi have fun :)
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16:53 garu azawawi: thanks, you too :)
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17:28 garu "Scalars leaked: 11"
17:28 garu oO
17:32 kthakore garu: YOU!
17:35 kthakore garu: I SEE YOU!
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