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Hyppolit |
svn: r13093 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13093 |
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Hyppolit |
fix #1032 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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Hyppolit |
#1032: Regex Editor: Escape sequences don't work in "Result from replace" (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1032#comment:3 ] |
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zenog |
Yay, that was easier than expected. |
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abraxxa |
is the failing toolbar in 0.74 a known bug? |
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abraxxa |
none of the buttons work any more |
| 10:31 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Not known to me, which OS? |
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zenog |
abraxxa: my toolbar works |
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waxhead |
hey zenog... been busy I see |
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zenog |
waxhead: A bit, two bugs fixed, some more reported ;-) |
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zenog |
waxhead: Thank you for making the release, btw! waxhead++ |
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waxhead |
that's fine... not so hard these days... |
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zenog |
waxhead: Do you know anything about how to produce those Windows packages? |
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waxhead |
Nope... never done it. |
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zenog |
Who did that in the past? It would be nice to have up-to-date packages for that. |
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waxhead |
I think Curtis Jewel normally does them |
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waxhead |
do you mean the MSI? |
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zenog |
Yeah. |
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waxhead |
it would be CSJewel then |
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zenog |
Curtis is 'ovid'? |
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zenog |
Or is this another guy? |
| 10:39 |
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waxhead |
he does the strawberry perl msi's too |
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waxhead |
no not ovid |
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zenog |
ah okay |
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zenog |
It would be nice to have scripts that anyone with a Windows box could use to generate the packages. |
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waxhead |
I had a bit of a look around the project browser code before the last release and tried adding right click on folder to create a new folder... |
| 10:40 |
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waxhead |
couldn't get it work right.. |
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waxhead |
for the most part if you use Strawberry Perl, you can just use cpan to install/upgrade Padre |
| 10:41 |
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waxhead |
That's the best thing about strawberry perl... it really works like a unix perl install |
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zenog |
Having the combined package could be an easy start for people. |
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waxhead |
so much of cpan installs with out much issue |
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waxhead |
yes it is... |
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zenog |
What bugs me most is that there are those really old versions of Padre very prominently on the download page. |
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waxhead |
you could always install the MSI and then cpan to upgrade to latest padre |
| 10:41 |
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waxhead |
true... |
| 10:42 |
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waxhead |
I emailed Alias about my woes with the project browser stuff, but I think he's been busy lately living life.. |
| 10:43 |
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waxhead |
or getting bashed by chicks on roller skates in roller derby.... I wonder when that finishes... |
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zenog |
:-) |
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waxhead |
well.. I'm heading to bed.. eyes are sore.. it's spring time here and hayfever is a killer :( |
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waxhead |
good to catch you zenog... :) |
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waxhead |
sleep & |
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zenog |
sleep well! |
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waxhead |
thanks |
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abraxxa |
zenog: Ubuntu 10.10 x64 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: I have Ubuntu 10.04 x32 - could be a WxWindows issue. Can you create a ticket for that? |
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abraxxa |
zenog: sure |
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abraxxa |
i have some problems since a few releases |
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abraxxa |
like the outline becoming empty |
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mib_1rbmxy |
Hello |
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mib_1rbmxy |
Can you please provide me the name of modules to handle qmail package |
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mib_1rbmxy |
? |
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abraxxa |
mib_1rbmxy: wrong channel |
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mib_1rbmxy |
i have found many packages related with sendmail |
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mib_1rbmxy |
but i m searching for qmail.. |
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mib_1rbmxy |
do you have any idea? |
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abraxxa |
mib_1rbmxy: still wrong channel |
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mib_1rbmxy |
k |
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abraxxa |
zenog: i've compiled my own perl-5.12.2 |
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abraxxa |
using perlbrew |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Can you check whether it works with Ubuntu's default perl? |
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abraxxa |
zenog: i haven't installed any additional required modules for the system perl |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Maybe you can use the other perl's modules by setting the PERLLIB environment variable |
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zenog |
hi PerlPilot |
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abraxxa |
zenog: threads::shared version 1.33 required--this is only version 1.29 |
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abraxxa |
zenog: i've just restarted padre and now the menu bar is working |
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zenog |
abraxxa: When do you get that message? With the Ubuntu perl, or the 5.12 one? When starting Padre? |
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zenog |
abraxxa: OK. With which Perl? |
| 13:25 |
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abraxxa |
so it seems that the menu bar is stopping to work after some time or action |
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abraxxa |
like the outline |
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abraxxa |
with ubuntu's perl and PERL5LIB |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Do you use any particular plug-in? |
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abraxxa |
on startup, yes |
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zenog |
abraxxa: When does the outline not work for you? |
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abraxxa |
threads::shared version 1.33 required--this is only version 1.29 at /home/ahartmai/perl5/perlbrew/perls/current/lib/site_perl/5.12.2//Padre/TaskQueue.pm line 10. |
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abraxxa |
the outline becomes empty after some time |
| 13:27 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: When you switch between files, or just so? |
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abraxxa |
i just switched about five time and now it's empty |
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abraxxa |
so it's switching |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Big file or small file? |
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abraxxa |
can i start padre with some debugging option to find out what happens? |
| 13:28 |
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abraxxa |
a tt template with 107 lines and a pm with 364 |
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zenog |
If you have the trunk version, there is dev.pl to start Padre with. |
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zenog |
That's not big. |
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abraxxa |
no, have 0.74 installed from cpan |
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abraxxa |
but i can check out the repo |
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zenog |
Is there an outline function for tt? |
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abraxxa |
initially, yes |
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zenog |
There is also a development plug-in. |
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abraxxa |
main -> pragmata, modules |
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abraxxa |
i have the catalyst, javascript and perl tidy plugins installed and enabled |
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abraxxa |
no other plugins are enabled |
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abraxxa |
everything is up2date |
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abraxxa |
got it! |
| 13:30 |
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abraxxa |
it has to do with how quickly you switch files |
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abraxxa |
not how often |
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abraxxa |
some thread race condition maybe |
| 13:31 |
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abraxxa |
also when switching between pm files |
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zenog |
It could be just that the outline is being updated too slowly. |
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zenog |
Or dou you get the wrong outline for a file? |
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abraxxa |
i don't get any outline past that point |
| 13:36 |
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abraxxa |
also when i switch to another file it stays empty |
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abraxxa |
until i restart padre |
| 13:37 |
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zenog |
hm |
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zenog |
If there is no ticket for it yet, create one. |
| 13:38 |
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zenog |
Do you have a trac account? |
| 13:38 |
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abraxxa |
there are a *lot* of tickets... |
| 13:38 |
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zenog |
There is a search function, which lets you also search only the tickets if you want. |
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abraxxa |
not yet @trac |
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abraxxa |
outline tickets: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ne&order=priority |
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zenog |
Sewi: Can you open the trac registration for abraxxa? Or someone else? |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Sorry, I don't have those privileges ... but Sewi has, and maybe some other people on the channel. |
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abraxxa |
i see |
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abraxxa |
ah, i do have a user ;-) |
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abraxxa |
zenog: 538 und 541 might be related to that |
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zenog |
abraxxa: great |
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abraxxa |
should i add some text to one of those? |
| 13:54 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: But your outline is completely gone, even though the files involved should have outlines? |
| 13:54 |
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abraxxa |
yes |
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zenog |
abraxxa: To me, this is different behaviour, but you can add reference #538 and #541 to the report - trac will link them automagically if you use the '#' before the number. |
| 13:55 |
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abraxxa |
closing and reopening the outline window doesn't bring it back either |
| 13:55 |
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Hyppolit |
#538: outline view info takes too long to refresh (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/538#comment:1 ] |
| 13:55 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: the more details in the report, the better |
| 13:56 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: Do you get messages like |
| 13:56 |
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zenog |
Unbalanced string table refcount: (1) for "document" during global destruction. |
| 13:56 |
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zenog |
Unbalanced string table refcount: (1) for "search" during global destruction. |
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zenog |
when you stop Padre after the outline is gone? |
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zenog |
lunch & |
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abraxxa |
zenog: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1047 |
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Hyppolit |
#1047: Outline becomes empty after fast file switching (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1047 ] |
| 14:36 |
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abraxxa |
zenog: do, i don't have a single line on stdout or stderr |
| 14:37 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: interesting. Thank you for creating the ticket. |
| 14:38 |
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zenog |
abraxxa: I do not have it all of the time, but I can reproduce the behavior you describe. |
| 14:39 |
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zenog |
but I have to do it several (dozens of) times to get that behavior. Two or three times switching is not enough. |
| 14:39 |
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abraxxa |
good to know |
| 14:40 |
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abraxxa |
i tought Padre doesn't like 5.12.2 |
| 14:40 |
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abraxxa |
because i have such problem since installing ubuntu 10.10 and perl 5.12.2 |
| 14:46 |
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zenog |
One workaround for the moment: Use the function list, at least it gives you all the functions (not the pragmas, though) |
| 14:48 |
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Hyppolit |
#1047: Outline becomes empty after fast file switching (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1047#comment:1 ] |
| 14:49 |
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Hyppolit |
#1047: Outline becomes empty after fast file switching (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1047#comment:2 ] |
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asarch |
What's wrong with Wx?: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/56249 |
| 15:00 |
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asarch |
And if I do: install link: Don't be silly, you can't install Terje Bless ;-) |
| 15:00 |
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asarch |
What is "Terje Bless"? |
| 15:00 |
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asarch |
And why does Wx fail? |
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azawawi |
hi |
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* azawawi |
continues his quest to finish that Padre Wizard dialog :) |
| 15:23 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13094 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13094 |
| 15:23 |
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Hyppolit |
Perl tidy and added a couple of Wx::gettext(..) |
| 15:23 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/ |
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zenog |
go azawawi++ go!! |
| 15:30 |
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zenog |
asarch: Have you installed Alien::wxWidgets before? |
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asarch |
Yes, I have |
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asarch |
"install Alien::wxWidgets: Alien::wxWidgets is up to date (0.51)." |
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zenog |
asarch: hm. No idea what goes wrong then. I'd suggest you look at the bugs reported for Wx at CPAN, and if the problem does not show up there, submit a bug report. |
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zenog |
asarch: Mattia is usually quite responsive. |
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azawawi |
asarch: also your bug report usually gets mailed right away on the wxperl mailing list |
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azawawi |
zenog: fyi, http://search.cpan.org/dist/Vi[…]ib/Vi/QuickFix.pm ... :) |
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asarch |
Ok |
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asarch |
I will guys |
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azawawi |
thanks |
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asarch |
Thank you very much for your help |
| 15:47 |
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asarch |
:-) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13095 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13095 |
| 15:49 |
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Hyppolit |
a Padre plug-in can now have a C<plugin_wizards> which returns a list of stuff which I have not figured out yet :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ |
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* azawawi |
looks back at the annoying "find in files"... fixing... |
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azawawi |
zenog: ping |
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zenog |
azawawi: So the thing lets you jump to the error location, but only if you add the 'use' statement? Or do I read that wrongly? |
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zenog |
azawawi: pong |
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azawawi |
zenog: what do you think for the "Find in files" view... a tree control or a table? the existing text control is not useful... |
| 15:57 |
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azawawi |
zenog: yeah it should do that... havent tried it though... |
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azawawi |
zenog: we have something like that but it is disabled atm for Perl 5... |
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azawawi |
zenog: the idea originates from Eclipse... You get a error, you press Ctrl-1, and then get a list of quick fixes |
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zenog |
azawawi: As a first idea, I'd keep it simple and just use a table. |
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* asarch |
is trying with Strawberry Perl.. |
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azawawi |
zenog: yeah trees are annoying... although we could re-use our treectrl... |
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zenog |
azawawi: I am not sure I understood the quickfix doc ... |
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azawawi |
zenog: ever tried Eclipse? |
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zenog |
azawawi: Yes, but I don't see how that would work for Perl w/o a major amount of coding ... |
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azawawi |
zenog: hmmm, imagine i get an error with a mispelled variable usage |
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azawawi |
zenog: i could quick fix by finding variables that sound like that mispelled variable |
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zenog |
azawawi: I see that the feature makes sense, but I don't get the Vi::QuickFix documentation. |
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azawawi |
zenog: let me fetch my blog post |
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azawawi |
zenog: me 2 lol |
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azawawi |
zenog: hmmm, so it is only a jumper... then |
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azawawi |
zenog: oh well, we're ahead of them right now lol :) |
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azawawi |
zenog: that's what i meant http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.co[…]es-in-action.html |
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zenog |
azawawi: Is there a way to enable the quickfix feature for Perl 5? |
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azawawi |
zenog: from the Changes "Quick fix feature is now disabled until it is stable again. You can enable it again by using the 'feature_quick_fix' configuration setting in the Tools/Preferences/Advanced dialog and then restart Padre (AZAWAWI)" |
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zenog |
azawawi: thx |
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azawawi |
zenog: the final idea for Perl 5 is to get Perl::Critic + Quick fix working as a separate package which we can re-use |
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zenog |
azawawi: So that people can use it for vim etc ... |
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azawawi |
zenog: quick fixing should happen as PPI insertions/deletion |
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azawawi |
zenog: yup 100% |
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azawawi |
zenog: i remember reading about it before in our mailing list |
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zenog |
azawawi: Another question: Is there a reason that Padre::Plugin::Ecliptic is not in the main Padre? |
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azawawi |
zenog: i took out the most useful parts before into main padre |
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azawawi |
zenog: the rest are experimental stuff really |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13096 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13096 |
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Hyppolit |
On win32, next/previous file now use Ctrl-Page Down/Up instead of Alt-Right/Left |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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zenog |
azawawi: Ah, that makes sense, keeping the experimental stuff in a plug-in |
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zenog |
regarding r13096 - that would also make sense on Linux. |
| 16:20 |
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Hyppolit |
Changeset #13096 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13096 |
| 16:21 |
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azawawi |
cool then |
| 16:21 |
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zenog |
I was discussing this a while ago with Sewi, he was in favor of keeping things like they were. |
| 16:22 |
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zenog |
Maybe we need to discuss again ;-) |
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zenog |
Sewi: ping |
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Sewi |
pong |
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zenog |
jq: hi |
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Sewi |
hi |
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zenog |
Sewi: That was fast ;-) What do you think? |
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azawawi |
jq: we meet again :) |
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azawawi |
Sewi: howdy |
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Sewi |
Hi azawawi |
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Sewi |
I don't like changing known defaults... |
| 16:23 |
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jq |
hi there |
| 16:23 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13097 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13097 |
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Hyppolit |
Next/previous file now use Ctrl-Page Down/Up instead of Alt-Right/Left on all platforms (zenog++) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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azawawi |
Sewi: that's why we built the key bindings |
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Sewi |
So people will press their known shortcut and wonder why nothing happens? :) |
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zenog |
Thing is, it may be better to change defaults as long as the user base is rather small, instead of waiting until more people use Padre and then changing it. |
| 16:25 |
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Sewi |
Does Padre have a small userbase? |
| 16:25 |
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azawawi |
Sewi: i think so otherwise we'll get a lot more here :) |
| 16:26 |
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zenog |
Compared to other tools, yes. |
| 16:26 |
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zenog |
Decent, but small. |
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azawawi |
compared to Eclipse, we're nothing :) |
| 16:26 |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=padre |
| 16:27 |
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Sewi |
Yes, people use what is know not what is best :-( |
| 16:27 |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=kdevelop |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.ph[…]ckage=monodevelop |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=eclipse |
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azawawi |
Sewi: "Eclipse java" 9,700,000 Google search results vs "Padre perl" 222,000 results :) |
| 16:27 |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=geany |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=vim |
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azawawi |
Sewi: that and our own Debian Padre package is not even working properly :) |
| 16:28 |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=emacs23 |
| 16:28 |
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zenog |
I think the Debian package is working nicely, isn't it? |
| 16:28 |
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Sewi |
azawawi: Any news at the scintilla issue? |
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azawawi |
Sewi: i will start it tomorrow |
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azawawi |
Sewi: basically i'll take the old wxwidgets STC codebase, modify it to use perl method names and drop it as a CPAN package |
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azawawi |
Sewi: it is the cross-platform compile that worries me though |
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azawawi |
Sewi: Win32, Linux, FreeBSD, and then MacOS (which i dont have access to) |
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azawawi |
zenog: would be nice if we had a tool that compares us to the rest so we can track our progress :) |
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zenog |
http://qa.debian.org/popcon-gr[…]Y-%25m&beenhere=1 |
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zenog |
our trend is better ;-) |
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azawawi |
we need to focus more on web stuff... :) |
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azawawi |
Mojo, Dancer, Catalyst |
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azawawi |
that's why i started the wizard experimental stuff |
| 16:36 |
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zenog |
My personal thing will continue being focused on stability+ease of use ;-) |
| 16:36 |
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zenog |
Having wizards for some things is really cool. |
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abraxxa |
i guess much more people install padre from cpan instead of a debian package |
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Sewi |
I guess the people being able to install Padre from CPAN are using VI* |
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danlucraft |
doesn't padre have a thing that phones home? couldn't that tell how many users there are? |
| 16:39 |
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zenog |
abraxxa, Sewi: both correct ;-) |
| 16:39 |
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azawawi |
zenog: true, stability especially in the task api stuff... really annoying when Padre breaks down after using it for like 5-10min |
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Sewi |
danlucraft: There is a installation feedback dialog |
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zenog |
Is there already a server side to it? |
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Sewi |
I think it's /var/log/apache2/access_log :-) |
| 16:41 |
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Sewi |
ping szabgab |
| 16:41 |
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zenog |
afaik, there are no CPAN download stats |
| 16:42 |
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Sewi |
zenog: CPAN is using a distributed mirror network, getting stats from this is very hard. |
| 16:42 |
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Sewi |
But there are cpantesters, their test report numbers should give you an idea of the installation numbers |
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Sewi |
szabgab should be able to grep through the access log and see how many installation feedback reports are coming in. |
| 16:50 |
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Sewi |
azawawi, zenog: What about binding exisiting known shortcuts to an message box "This shortcut is depreached and will be removed, please use the new one: Alt+PgUp" and keeping this for some releases? |
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azawawi |
Sewi: sure if you do it :) |
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zenog |
We could add it to the release notes so that people will notice. And we could explain how to set up their old shortcuts if they want to keep them. |
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Sewi |
zenog: Who is reading release notes? |
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Sewi |
The Chanes file is only being used by the release manager to see how many people worked on the current release ;-) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13098 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13098 |
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Hyppolit |
Find in files output window is now a table instead of a text control. This is not stable yet. |
| 17:01 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 17:02 |
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zenog |
The other question is, how many people will really be annoyed that much about it that they stop using Padre altogether. So maybe we should not worry so much about this, as long as we have several semi-finished features in the editor, etc. |
| 17:03 |
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azawawi |
yeah we really need to fix Padre a lot before we can even compete |
| 17:04 |
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azawawi |
zenog: one thing in the Changes file, shouldnt we have 0.75 instead of 0.76 ? |
| 17:06 |
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azawawi |
I think we need also on making Padre more minimal UI-wise |
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azawawi |
just focus on the editor |
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azawawi |
all the others are simply popups |
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zenog |
No, that is okay. CPAN releases are even, the odd numbers are for the development versions between releases. |
| 17:06 |
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Sewi |
zenog: An editor without shortcut tab switching is useless for me because using the mouse is slower than typing. |
| 17:07 |
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Sewi |
zenog: If tab switching is gone and I don't read the channel, I might give up on Padre. |
| 17:07 |
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zenog |
Sewi: Yes, but if it does not work, you will find out quickly what is different. And many people expect Ctrl-PageUp etc. to work, which currently is not the case. |
| 17:07 |
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Sewi |
azawawi: It's confiurable, what's bad with it? :) |
| 17:08 |
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azawawi |
Sewi: im just thinking aloud here... |
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Sewi |
zenog: Where should I (speaking as a dump user) find out what changed? |
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azawawi |
Sewi: Ctrl-PageUp is really the thing most people expect |
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azawawi |
Sewi: i used a lots of IDEs |
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Sewi |
apt-get install padre or apt-get update doesn't give me the changes file (at least at a place where I see it :-) ) |
| 17:08 |
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zenog |
Sewi: In the menu 'Window', as in many other applications. |
| 17:09 |
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Sewi |
zenog: you win :) |
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azawawi |
how about we display the Changes ... like "What's new in this version?" |
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azawawi |
first startup of a new version ofcourse |
| 17:09 |
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zenog |
That would be a nice option anyway - many tools have it. |
| 17:10 |
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Sewi |
would be good. |
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azawawi |
Sewi: wanna do it? :) |
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zenog |
azawawi: You had the idea ;-) |
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Sewi |
azawawi: You don't want me to create a dialog :-) |
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azawawi |
Sewi: lol |
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Sewi |
And we should add it to the "public" padre pages. |
| 17:11 |
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* azawawi |
adds it to his TODOs list |
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* Sewi |
cooking |
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zenog |
Sewi: have fun! |
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Sewi |
zenog: Too many women in the kitchen, I need to get rid of some before starting ;-) |
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zenog |
hi alnewkirk jnap kanishka |
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alnewkirk |
hi |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13099 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13099 |
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Hyppolit |
Finished "Find in Files now uses a table instead of a text control". Please review. |
| 17:35 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13100 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13100 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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dj_goku |
if cpantesters submit a failed test to the maintainer, but no RT ticket has been opened. should I also open a RT ticket? |
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zenog |
dj_goku: For which module/distribution? |
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dj_goku |
Wx on osx |
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dj_goku |
zenog == http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1046 ? |
| 17:41 |
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zenog |
Ah, you mean for Padre? I thought you were referring to another CPAN module. |
| 17:42 |
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zenog |
Currently, Peter (waxhead) should get the messages. If it is something important to you, please add a ticket, yes. |
| 17:42 |
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zenog |
e-mails get lost easily. |
| 17:43 |
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dj_goku |
zenog: oh no I am talking about another module (Wx) on osx |
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dj_goku |
there are a number of failed tests from cpantesters. some with similar issues I am having. |
| 17:44 |
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zenog |
dj_goku: Oh, there I am not so sure. I have no idea how much maintainers react to such issues. Mattia (the Wx maintainer) is generally doing a very good job, so I guess he also reacts to such thing. |
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zenog |
dj_goku: Maybe you better ask him, or ask on the wx perl mailing list. |
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dj_goku |
alright thanks. |
| 17:49 |
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zenog |
welcome |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: btw, I think Mattia is actually developing on OS X so he may fix it right away :) |
| 17:54 |
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dj_goku |
on the install page for osx it says to install Alien::wxWidgets from source but never asks. how can I tell if it is compiled? |
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dj_goku |
I seen cpan download/compile something. |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: if it is from source, it has to download like a 20MB file from sourceforge before compiling... |
| 17:58 |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: maybe this helps you? http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX |
| 17:59 |
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dj_goku |
nope |
| 17:59 |
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azawawi |
maybe try the instruction at the bottom? |
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azawawi |
s/instruction/instructions |
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dj_goku |
hrm |
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zenog |
azawawi: indeed, quick_fix seems to be unstable. Takes Padre down sometimes. |
| 18:01 |
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zenog |
Can't call method "Enable" without a package or object reference at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre/Wx/Menu/Edit.pm line 361. |
| 18:02 |
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azawawi |
true that's why i moved it under feature_quick_fix |
| 18:03 |
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dj_goku |
well I am trying the lazy way since I can't get install from cpan. |
| 18:03 |
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zenog |
I guess I'll try it again on the weekend, now I need to get stuff done ;-) |
| 18:16 |
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dj_goku |
azawawi: I am trying the bottom part where I manually download wxwidgets and copy it into place. it never extracts and compiles wxwidgets-2.8.8.tar.gz |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: clean and try again? |
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dj_goku |
running clean from cpan? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13101 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13101 |
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Hyppolit |
When a find in files result is clicked, open it |
| 18:20 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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azawawi |
yeah after you cpan "look" into that directory |
| 18:21 |
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dj_goku |
yeah |
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azawawi |
cpan and then "look Alien::wxWidgets" |
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azawawi |
"make realclean" or "make clean" |
| 18:22 |
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azawawi |
download that file and it will extract it |
| 18:22 |
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azawawi |
http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]xWidgetsandwxPerl |
| 18:23 |
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dj_goku |
pastebin |
| 18:23 |
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dj_goku |
? |
| 18:23 |
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dj_goku |
oh nvm |
| 18:23 |
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dj_goku |
i see it |
| 18:23 |
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azawawi |
cool please try it |
| 18:25 |
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shadowpaste |
"dj_goku" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "manually installing Alien::wxWidgets" (142 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/56269 |
| 18:27 |
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dj_goku |
not sure what I am doing wrong. |
| 18:28 |
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azawawi |
it passed? |
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dj_goku |
yeah, but it never compiles. |
| 18:29 |
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azawawi |
after looking... |
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azawawi |
you need to 'make realclean' or 'make clean' |
| 18:29 |
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azawawi |
that way that directory will be 100% clean from previous compile errors |
| 18:30 |
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dj_goku |
same thing even. |
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dj_goku |
nothing is every compile/extracted. |
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azawawi |
then send a email to wxperl mailing list :) |
| 18:31 |
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azawawi |
when all fails, call Mattia :) |
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azawawi |
or IBM :) |
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dj_goku |
I actually exit cpan and reopen it again to try to re-install. |
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dj_goku |
wonder if it is because I am using 5.12.2. |
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azawawi |
hmmm maybe |
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azawawi |
you're using 5.12.2 and local::lib? |
| 18:43 |
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dj_goku |
nope |
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dj_goku |
I installed it into my homedir |
| 18:44 |
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Sewi |
I didn't read all of the backlog, but... Wx requires threads but Apple removed thread capabilities from OSX Perl with "Snow leo" I think |
| 18:44 |
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dj_goku |
I installed perl that is. |
| 18:44 |
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dj_goku |
I compiled by hand. |
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azawawi |
why dont try doing a clean install with homedir perl 5.12.2 and local::lib ? |
| 18:44 |
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dj_goku |
This is perl 5, version 12, subversion 2 (v5.12.2) built for darwin-thread-multi-2level |
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azawawi |
does perlbrew work on osx? |
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dj_goku |
maybe? |
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azawawi |
one way to find out :) |
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dj_goku |
can I pass compile time flags to it though... |
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azawawi |
i think so but i dont know how... since im on win32 atm |
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azawawi |
http://search.cpan.org/~gugod/[…]0.13/bin/perlbrew |
| 18:48 |
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azawawi |
basically if you have a clean perlbrew and local::lib |
| 18:48 |
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azawawi |
it may work |
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azawawi |
although Alien::wxWidgets uses a couple of hacks inside... so im not sure though |
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azawawi |
your best bet is to contact Mattia |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13102 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13102 |
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Hyppolit |
Click on a "Find in files" find result now works, but still the line position is not operational |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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zenog |
& |
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jnap |
azawawi: perlbrew works for me on OSX however perl 5.10.1 won't compile on some versions because of how apple named some locale files, as I recall |
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jnap |
and I think 5.12.0 won't compile of OSX as well |
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jnap |
nothing to do with perlbrew thought |
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dj_goku |
I am trying again. |
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dj_goku |
so I install perl then local::lib and everything I install using that perl will install in my localized perl? |
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jnap |
dj_goku: yes, you as long as you follow the local::lib instructions to be sure perl 'sees' it |
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dj_goku |
nice |
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dj_goku |
just reading about it now. |
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jnap |
you can verify with perl -V and you should see the extra local-libs in @INC |
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jnap |
or to pimp my own stuff, you can use App::local::lib::helper to help you flip on/off multiple libs :) |
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dj_goku |
hrm. |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: perlbrew + local::lib = no need for root access |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: cpan packages is installed to ~/perl5 by default |
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* dj_goku |
has root, but I don't want to muck with the mac osx perl |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: s/is/are/ |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: true, the best thing is to run in userland |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: whatever OS upgrades to system perl, you're safe in your userland environment :) |
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dj_goku |
so if I install multiple perl's with perlbrew and install/configure local::lib they are independent perl install? I won't have any stomping. |
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jnap |
yeah, I do it that way as well |
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jnap |
using the system perl is a path to chaos |
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jnap |
the local::lib should be linked to a given perl install |
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jnap |
because of the compiled bits |
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dj_goku |
right. |
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dj_goku |
so I am installing 5.12.2, and after that going to install local::lib |
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jnap |
some people skip local-lib and just install a bunch of perlbrews, if you don't mind the extra space and the multiple installations |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13103 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13103 |
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Hyppolit |
Clicking on a "Find in files" find result now works with the line positioning |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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dj_goku |
if I install 5.10.0 and install local::lib will that stomp on 5.12.2? |
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azawawi |
jnap: perlbrew does not work on win32, btw... |
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azawawi |
jnap: perlbrew uses many unix assumptions |
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dj_goku |
jnap: either way is fine with me. |
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jnap |
azawawi: since perl doesn't come with windows I think just using strawberry is good, since its not a 'system' perl subject to random changes/updates by the OS |
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azawawi |
jnap: true, but now UAC (User account control) is putting some restrictions on drive C and other operations |
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azawawi |
jnap: i'd love to have multiple perl installations on win32 to test |
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jnap |
I'm not familiar with Strawberry, but I'd imagine the group would be interested into working out a good solution to allow multiple installs. |
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dj_goku |
I can see. perlbrew being good for cpantesters |
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azawawi |
jnap: however, I could simply switch c:\strawberry's for different perl versions :) |
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dj_goku |
yay perlbrew 5.12.2 installed. |
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dj_goku |
doesn't default to -D=useithreads though |
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dj_goku |
another install haha :( |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13104 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13104 |
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Hyppolit |
Fixed a un-initalized variable error in FindInFiles.pm |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13105 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13105 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes and perl tidy for FindInFiles... :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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* azawawi |
Fixed the "Find in Files" :) |
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azawawi |
Alias: if you're reading this, please let me know if i missed anything in the new UI look and feel for "find in files" results |
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* azawawi |
fires his ubuntu vm to test :) |
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dj_goku |
azawawi: same thing with perlbrew install |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: :( |
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dj_goku |
I didn't install local::lib though. |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: wanna try it with local::lib? |
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dj_goku |
NO |
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dj_goku |
heh |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: it is really a simple install... |
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* dj_goku |
is installing now |
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dj_goku |
and done |
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azawawi |
http://search.cpan.org/~getty/[…]rapping_technique |
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Getty |
Also available in german and portoguese <marketing brought to you by Getty IRC ad> ;) |
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azawawi |
:) |
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dj_goku |
azawawi: I can't just install local::lib with perlbrew and it just works? |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: no you have to follow the steps in that link i sent earlier |
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dj_goku |
hrm so if I already install local::lib |
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dj_goku |
is that bad? |
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azawawi |
Getty: is that bad? :) |
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Getty |
what? if you have perlbrew local::lib gets obsolete in some matter |
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Getty |
if perlbrew doesnt work you need local::lib |
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Getty |
there is no bad or good in this game ;) |
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Getty |
its all god given |
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* dj_goku |
is confused |
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Getty |
yeah me too |
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Getty |
azawawi: what i missed? |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: simply follow the steps in http://search.cpan.org/~getty/[…]rapping_technique |
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dj_goku |
k |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: assume you're not the admin |
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dj_goku |
the admin doesn't know what he is doing anyways... :D |
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dj_goku |
so: perl Makefile.PL --bootstrap=~/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.12.2 |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: in your .bashrc did you set the path for your perlbrew-ed perl? |
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dj_goku |
source /Users/dj_goku/perl5/perlbrew/etc/bashrc |
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azawawi |
from App::perlbrew perldoc, "At the moment, it installs everything to ~/perl5/perlbrew, and requires you to tweak your PATH by including a bashrc/cshrc file it provides" |
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Hyppolit |
#1018: Cannot open file from Directory Tree (Project) side panel (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1018#comment:4 ] |
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dj_goku |
azawawi: I just looked for local::lib and it was install the 5.12.2 directory /lib |
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dj_goku |
I haven't installed/configured local::lib yet. |
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dj_goku |
well the bootstrap way that is. |
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dj_goku |
Actually it installed it at /Users/dj_goku/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.12.2/lib/site_perl/5.12.2/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13106 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13106 |
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Hyppolit |
Split file into directory and base file name in "Find in files" results |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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dj_goku |
azawawi: I don't think I need to bootstrap it. I just installed local::lib from my version of perl compiled and it showed up in the same relative path as perlbrew (lib/site_perl/5.12.2/) not sure if that is what happens when you do this. |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: ok |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13107 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13107 |
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Hyppolit |
A quick perl tidy to FindInFiles.pm |
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Hyppolit |
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azawawi |
dj_goku: gtg now... sleep :) |
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dj_goku |
alright later |
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* azawawi |
sleep & |
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