Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-11-17

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04:37 azawawi good morning
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04:43 getpwnam uh-oh: my computer just went into meltdown after a simple 'cpanm Padre'; perl munched through my 4GB RAM, then proceeded to set to work on my 8GB swap, causing the system to grind to a halt..
04:43 getpwnam any known issues?
04:44 getpwnam this is on the latest Ubuntu (10.10) with Perl 5.10.1
04:53 Hyppolit svn: r13108 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13108
04:53 Hyppolit Moved "Find In Files" output panel to a tree control. This makes more sense since we're actually traversing directories to find text. Added also the support of editor markers.
04:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:19 Hyppolit svn: r13109 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13109
05:19 Hyppolit Find in files: Better focus mechanism, search progress and search finish summary messages. Number of results per file is shown only when they are more than one.
05:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:19 azawawi getpwnam: never happened to me
05:20 azawawi getpwnam: you can investigate what happened by doing a 'cpanm Padre --verbose'
05:26 getpwnam y
05:26 getpwnam okay
05:27 azawawi thx
05:37 Hyppolit svn: r13110 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13110
05:37 Hyppolit More styling and ensure root node visibility at the end of a search operation.
05:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:02 azawawi Alias: ping
06:06 Hyppolit svn: r13111 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13111
06:06 Hyppolit Caught a nasty bug in find_editor_of_file. Most code in Padre that uses it does not account for the returned value being zero (which happens to be the first tab).
06:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:10 Hyppolit svn: r13112 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13112
06:10 Hyppolit Removed the use of markers in FindInFiles.pm
06:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:13 Hyppolit svn: r13113 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13113
06:13 Hyppolit Updated Changes and perl tidy for FindInFiles.pm
06:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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06:46 Hyppolit svn: r13114 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13114
06:46 Hyppolit One more note and a quick comment to explain things a bit
06:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:48 szabgab azawawi: are you ond drugs again? :)
06:49 szabgab you seem to be high
06:50 Hyppolit svn: r13115 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13115
06:50 Hyppolit Added the wizard registry to Padre
06:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
06:52 azawawi szabgab: it is a holiday... and nothing to do lol :)
06:53 dj_goku holiday?
06:55 Hyppolit svn: r13116 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13116
06:55 Hyppolit Hooking up an empty wizard registry to existing code. Next step is to generate such stuff dynamically.
06:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
06:55 azawawi dj_goku: eid...
06:55 azawawi dj_goku: Mon-sun... :)
06:56 dj_goku ahh :D
06:56 azawawi dj_goku: mon-sat to be exact
06:56 dj_goku readying about it now.
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06:57 azawawi I need ideas for Perl 5 wizards... i.e. options, templates... anybody?
06:58 szabgab while it lasts, have you looked at the Scintiall Wx integration?
06:58 azawawi not yet... i need to finish this wizard stuff first :)
06:59 azawawi but i'll look at it...
06:59 azawawi for sure
06:59 Sewi morning all
06:59 azawawi morning Sewi
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06:59 Sewi szabgab: Would you grep through your access log to see how many installation feedback reports from Padre arrive, please?
06:59 dj_goku azawawi: what kind of wizards?
06:59 azawawi could someone please test "Find In Files" from trunk on linux?
07:00 dj_goku I am not sure what you mean by options, templates.
07:00 azawawi dj_goku: New Perl 5 script, what options are needed to be there...
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07:00 azawawi dj_goku: i.e. what kind of options do you need when creating a perl 5 script...
07:01 dj_goku in padre?
07:01 dj_goku warnings/strict
07:01 Sewi azawawi: use pragmas, maybe use English
07:01 azawawi dj_goku: yeah, right now we have "New Script" which only generates "use v....; use strict; use warnings; "
07:02 szabgab azawawi: and another thing, could you try to build the "strawberry-plus-padre" package for windows?
07:02 dj_goku azawawi: I haven't gotten to use padre much. hopefully will get to use it more if I can get it to build.
07:03 azawawi szabgab: no :) last time i tried it i spent like 2 days setting it up... and 10-15 emails/chats between csjewell and me :)
07:03 azawawi szabgab: it takes time... a lot of time
07:03 azawawi szabgab: when a package fails you repeat the whole process
07:04 azawawi szabgab: we should move to a simple bootstrapping base so we can do it more easily and faster
07:04 azawawi szabgab: so csjewell is your man :)
07:05 szabgab yeah, but he is busy with real work apparently
07:05 szabgab and I am too :)
07:05 azawawi come on... stop the lacuna ... :)
07:06 szabgab oh I stopped  that a long time ago :)
07:06 szabgab now it is real paying work
07:06 szabgab and PEG
07:06 azawawi leveling up your work and farming real $$$ then :)
07:06 szabgab but I have more than 200 messages in me inbox
07:06 szabgab again
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07:11 Hyppolit svn: r13117 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13117
07:11 Hyppolit Enabling the feature_wizard_selector by default and dropping the "Experimental" word of it.
07:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:12 azawawi Sewi: any ideas for "New Perl 5 script" wizard?
07:13 Sewi Include Next, Back and Finish (now) buttons :-)
07:13 Sewi Add #!<path to Perl as detected by the Padre::Util method> and add checkboxes for "use pragmas" and maybe "use English"
07:15 szabgab caution with that use English, please !
07:16 Sewi One of the last Hannover.pm meeting showed that most people are using it, so I though of it as a checkbox candidate, but I won't check it as default.
07:16 azawawi Perl minimum version, GetOpt::Long processing, inherited classes, package name,
07:17 * azawawi looks at the "Modern Perl" book
07:19 * dj_goku looks at the "Catalyst 5.8" book
07:22 Sewi azawawi: A "new perl module" wizard would be more more often used than a "new perl script" wizard?
07:23 azawawi Sewi: in the end they're both the same
07:23 Sewi :)
07:24 azawawi Sewi: in Dist::Zilla Pod::Weaver, a script in the bin is identified by its 'package' name
07:24 azawawi Sewi: so bin/script => package script;
07:24 Sewi :)
07:27 szabgab Sewi: and are they using it correctly?
07:29 Sewi szabgab: I don't know :-) I never used it and I don't see any advantages for my script because I know $$ or $^T
07:29 azawawi hmmm Class::XSAccessor is not mentioned in "Modern Perl"...
07:33 szabgab Sewi: use English qw( -no_match_vars ) ;  # Avoids regex performance penalty
07:33 Sewi szabgab: Personalyl I don't like the idea of Perl polluting my variable namespace with english words :-)
07:33 szabgab so maybe implement German.pm :)
07:34 szabgab but I think I'd better go to work now
07:35 Sewi Correction: I don't like anything adding char combinations to the variable namespace, the language doesn't matter :)
07:35 Hyppolit svn: r13118 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13118
07:35 Hyppolit Removed a TODO from Action.pm. It is now documented. Sewi++, zenog++ :)
07:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:35 Sewi You could get really strange errors this way if there is a collision between a use (language); variable and yours :)
07:36 azawawi For me, im basing all my work on modern perl... it would be strange that we're trying to teach people to do modern Perl while we do not do that in our wizards :)
07:37 Hyppolit svn: r13119 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13119
07:37 Hyppolit The first wizard library and wizard object... Nothing is really functional at the moment but it is a start :)
07:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:39 szabgab I have not read the book yet so I am not sure with how much of it I agree ?
07:39 azawawi this is an online pdf version... but im going to buy the printed copy in december
07:39 szabgab yeah I have the pdf already
07:47 Hyppolit svn: r13120 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13120
07:47 Hyppolit Bootstrap the next-gen Padre wizard system :)
07:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:50 Hyppolit svn: r13121 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13121
07:50 Hyppolit Updated Changes and Perl tidied my previous commits.
07:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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07:59 Hyppolit svn: r13122 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13122
07:59 Hyppolit Added a couple of wizards to library and simplified the library initialization code
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:03 Hyppolit svn: r13123 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13123
08:03 Hyppolit Added back the forgotten border to wizard selector
08:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
08:07 dj_goku weird
08:12 azawawi what's weird?
08:14 Hyppolit svn: r13124 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13124
08:14 Hyppolit Wizard object code cleanup
08:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:15 * azawawi reached his programming fun quota... now back to movies fun :)
08:15 * azawawi movies &
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08:20 dj_goku ahh he left
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08:21 azawawi dj_goku: what's up? :)
08:21 dj_goku hah?!
08:21 dj_goku http://paste.scsys.co.uk/56339
08:21 azawawi dj_goku: im pyschic :)
08:21 dj_goku I am asking in catalyst too. But I think I may have found a bug.
08:22 azawawi i have no experience there
08:22 dj_goku still weird.
08:23 azawawi what class ORM are you using for DBI?
08:23 dj_goku DBIC::Schema
08:25 dj_goku Err. IDBIx::Class
08:25 azawawi yeah i noticed :)
08:25 azawawi and still i havent used it before ... :(
08:25 azawawi so much to do... so little time :)
08:26 azawawi I have to go now... movie fun calls me :)
08:27 dj_goku later thx
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08:55 dj_goku azawawi: The default behavior is to split on case transition and non-alphanumeric boundaries, singularize the resulting phrase, then join the titlecased words together. found out why it was dropping the 's or 'es in another example. DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::Base was the culprit.
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09:32 Hyppolit svn: r13125 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13125
09:32 Hyppolit remove website branch - will do step-by-step improvements on the current website, not a complete rewrite
09:32 Hyppolit branches/
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09:58 Hyppolit svn: r13126 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13126
09:58 Hyppolit Remove unused & empty PadreLauncher branch
09:58 Hyppolit branches/
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10:34 Hyppolit svn: r13127 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13127
10:34 Hyppolit Added the concept of an implementation class to Wizard API. Removed Perl 6 dummy wizard and added a couple of example Padre plugin wizards. The Perl 5 script wizard is merged into the Perl 5 module wizard.
10:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:51 Hyppolit svn: r13128 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13128
10:51 Hyppolit Display the wizards correctly in the selection page
10:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
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11:11 Hyppolit svn: r13129 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13129
11:11 Hyppolit The selection page now refreshes the previous/next dynamically
11:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
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11:15 Hyppolit svn: r13130 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13130
11:15 Hyppolit Display a wizard's comment when select in the selection tree
11:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
11:17 Hyppolit svn: r13131 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13131
11:17 Hyppolit Renamed SelectPage.pm to Select.pm
11:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
11:23 Hyppolit svn: r13132 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13132
11:23 Hyppolit Script -> Module typo
11:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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16:11 user_4117 hello.
16:12 user_4117 was wondering where a good documentation of the padre classes would be.. I checked cpan but the documentation there didn't seem complete.
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16:14 user_4117 well let me be more specific.. I am developing a plugin and I get the text from the current document by called text_get() however I need to know how to set it. Is there a text_set() function. The current cpan docs don't even mention text_get() however I remember seeing it somewhere.
16:15 Hyppolit #716: there is no way to change drive over the "directory" tab on the left (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/716#comment:3 ]
16:15 user_4117 Does anyone know how to obtain the text from the current document
16:17 Hyppolit #1048: file/directory browser (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1048 ]
16:17 Hyppolit #716: there is no way to change drive over the "directory" tab on the left (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/716#comment:4 ]
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16:19 zenog_ hi user_4117
16:20 zenog_ hold on a second, I may have some answers for you
16:20 zenog_ I am sorry that not all Padre classes are nicely documented. Some are, though ;-)
16:20 user_4117 they are indeed.
16:21 user_4117 plug-in api etc seem set up nicely ;)
16:21 zenog_ Which operation do you want to perform exactly?
16:21 zenog_ get text; (something); set text
16:21 zenog_ What is (something) ?
16:21 bricas user_4117: might be worthwhile looking at other plugins. the perltidy plugin for example gets and sets text.
16:22 user_4117 something like : get text (manipulate text (ie replace)) set text
16:22 user_4117 ah really.. awesome.. I'll check there for how they do it.
16:22 zenog_ Sometimes you can also manipulate the document w/o getting and setting text, e.g. by doing a replace.
16:22 user_4117 there's a replace function??
16:23 user_4117 In the Padre::Document class?
16:23 zenog_ There is also already some filter functionality, if I remember correctly (though for external filters, but there the text also needs to be set, I guess)
16:23 bricas there's a replcetext thing.
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16:23 bricas $current->editor->ReplaceSelection( $newtext );
16:23 zenog_ You can use the "Function" view to see all functions in that.
16:24 zenog_ generally in Padre, I mean, that helps you to see which functions are available and you may quickly jump to them
16:24 user_4117 that's useful, thanks, but that only would replace text in a portion of the text that the user has selected, correct?
16:25 zenog_ user_4117: If nothing is selected, it does it for the whole text (I guess)
16:25 user_4117 ah.. Function function eh? nice... I'll check that out too :)
16:25 user_4117 ok, we'll try that... much obliged! :-D
16:28 zenog_ If you have detail questions, don't hesitate to ask.
16:28 zenog_ Out of curiosity: What kind of plugin are you working on?
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16:29 zenog_ I am currently working on another machine (not my main one) running Ubuntu 10.10, and here Padre's menu is missing - there is just no menu bar.
16:29 zenog_ Has anybody seen that behavior?
16:29 zenog_ hi pece2
16:34 bricas zenog_: i'm on 10.10 and can see the menu just fine.
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16:37 user_4117 I'm afraid I've never run Padre on Ubuntu.. that's the new LTS.. I do use 10.4 at home...
16:37 user_4117 I'm, well, I'm buildilng a tool to manipulate line endings for different platforms
16:38 user_4117 Windows, Mac, and Unix
16:38 user_4117 You'd be surprised how much this trips things up.
16:39 user_4117 I didn't see anything that specifically did this.. and well, now if I don't get it done.. someone will do it, since the cat
16:39 user_4117 's out of the bag
16:39 zenog_ user_4117: You know that Padre has those things in the Edit menu?
16:39 user_4117 nope.. didn't see it
16:39 user_4117 Ah but there is no default..
16:39 zenog_ I cannot really describe it directly because my menu is currently not visible, but it is in the lower part of the "Edit" menu.
16:40 user_4117 some think like.. "Always use Unix line endings for all new documents"
16:40 zenog_ "Edit" -> "Line endings" or something like that.
16:40 azawawi thats for eol conversion
16:40 user_4117 right
16:41 user_4117 it would be nice if there was a way to set the EOL as a default instead of always using the system default
16:41 zenog_ EOL to Windows etc.
16:41 azawawi in tools/preferences there is a "default line encoding" option
16:41 zenog_ ah I see
16:41 user_4117 really?
16:41 user_4117 nice to know
16:41 azawawi yup
16:42 azawawi "default_line_ending" advanced Padre setting
16:42 user_4117 awesome.
16:42 user_4117 thanks all.
16:43 azawawi np
16:43 azawawi zenog_: did you see the new "find in files" output panel? :)
16:44 zenog_ azawawi: currently, I am on a different computer, and I don't have a menu bar :-(
16:45 azawawi zenog: who needs a menu bar :)
16:45 user_4117 wx seems to have gone funny.. instead of showing a blank white editor is shows what's underneith.. well , ma, looks like I broke it.. :-D
16:45 azawawi zenog: that's why i wrote "Quick Menu Access" Ctrl-3 :)
16:45 user_4117 something's awry with Wx..
16:46 user_4117 anyway thanks everyone for your help..
16:46 user_4117 much oblidged.
16:47 zenog_ azawawi: thank you, that's really helpful!
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16:47 zenog_ azawawi: So it happened to you before?
16:47 azawawi no thank you zenog++ and Sewi++... Action API :)
16:47 azawawi hmmm
16:47 azawawi i remember it was a bug with full screen ?
16:48 azawawi F11?
16:48 azawawi but no that was the toolbar but never the menubar...
16:48 zenog_ Is it possible that dev.pl outputs the trace to the console instead of .padre/debug.log as said by dev.pl --help?
16:48 zenog_ I'll submit a bug report.
16:48 zenog_ With screenshot. Really looks funny.
16:49 azawawi cool
16:49 Hyppolit #1049: Padre without menu (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1049 ]
16:49 * azawawi prepares for night hacking session :)
16:58 zenog_ azawawi++
17:06 dj_goku azawawi: you see my comment about DBIC::Schema after you left a second time?
17:07 azawawi dj_goku: yeah i read it quickly
17:08 dj_goku I thought the singularize was causing a problem. but its a feature. and doesn't change the actually database table name.
17:08 dj_goku was kind of neat to track down that bit.
17:09 azawawi so it is sqllite table filename that is only affected by that feature?
17:09 dj_goku nope
17:09 dj_goku here
17:10 dj_goku the perl package name
17:10 Hyppolit svn: r13133 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13133
17:10 Hyppolit Fix the bug of lost user selection when searching a big project directory while typing fast.
17:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
17:11 azawawi dj_goku: interesting
17:14 azawawi dj_goku: i like ORMs that are simple and do not stand in your way when doing more complicated stuff... like replication...
17:15 azawawi dj_goku: simple ORM = SQL-based and has no special SQL-like feature-inferior language to learn :)
17:15 shadowpaste "dj_goku" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::Base Singularized package names" (10 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/56371
17:15 azawawi dj_goku: Hibernate i hate you :)
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17:15 dj_goku hibernate?
17:15 azawawi dj_goku: Java ORM...
17:16 * dj_goku doesn't Java
17:16 dj_goku :D
17:16 azawawi dj_goku: cool
17:17 dj_goku I did take a Java class in college. I still didn't get objects when taking the class.
17:17 dj_goku I guess I did have to hack together a java client to client/server class.
17:17 azawawi dj_goku: the problem with an ORM is that sometimes it leads some of your team members to think that they do not need to understand SQL :)
17:18 dj_goku true
17:19 azawawi and those horrible entity XMLs to maintain... :)
17:19 dj_goku I am following along in the catalyst 5.8 book so :D
17:20 * azawawi tests Padre over ubuntu
17:21 dj_goku redhat developed hibernate...scary
17:21 azawawi jboss...
17:21 azawawi v3.1 stayed there for ever
17:27 dj_goku perl -d script/app_server.pl is very busy BTW
17:28 dj_goku azawawi: so are you developing padre inside of padre?
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17:29 azawawi dj_goku: yup
17:31 dj_goku cool :D
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18:03 zenog_ hi toi
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