Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-11-18

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04:14 Hyppolit svn: r13134 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13134
04:14 Hyppolit Code cleanup, adding comments
04:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
04:43 Hyppolit svn: r13135 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13135
04:43 Hyppolit More doc updates
04:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
04:45 Hyppolit svn: r13136 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13136
04:45 Hyppolit Fixed method call from previous refactoring. azawawi--
04:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
04:49 Hyppolit svn: r13137 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13137
04:49 Hyppolit Added a dummy Perl 5 Module Wizard
04:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Perl/
04:55 Hyppolit svn: r13138 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13138
04:55 Hyppolit Added dummy Padre plug-in and document wizards. Fixed pod. Fixed wizard library wizard class references.
04:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Perl/
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05:10 Hyppolit svn: r13139 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13139
05:10 Hyppolit Try to load wizard class and update the status line with the results. If the wizard class cannot be loaded, the next button will be disabled.
05:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
05:14 Hyppolit svn: r13140 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13140
05:14 Hyppolit Perl tidy stuff I have been working on and removed a couple of unneeded return statements
05:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
05:31 Hyppolit svn: r13141 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13141
05:31 Hyppolit Fixed "Open Resource" dialog so that recently used resources are to be sorted by last usage instead by filename
05:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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05:36 Hyppolit svn: r13142 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13142
05:36 Hyppolit Ditto for "Quick Menu Access". This unifies the navigation model and puts a possibility to replace the recent files in the future.
05:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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06:03 mib_e4adkq anyone?
06:03 dj_goku pong
06:04 mib_e4adkq ping
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06:06 azawawi pong
06:06 dj_goku sad they left.
06:10 Hyppolit svn: r13143 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13143
06:11 Hyppolit Make sure that next button is only enabled when a wizard is selected.
06:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
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06:22 Hyppolit svn: r13144 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13144
06:22 Hyppolit More comments and method name renames
06:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
06:38 Hyppolit svn: r13145 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13145
06:38 Hyppolit Faster getters, accessors via Class::XSAccessor :)
06:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/
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07:01 azawawi dj_goku: i got dc...
07:01 Sewi morning
07:01 azawawi morning Sewi
07:02 azawawi Sewi: Guten morgen :)
07:02 Sewi Danke :-)
07:03 Sewi صباح الخير
07:03 azawawi :)
07:04 azawawi btw, you can wxFormBuilder to build the "What's new" dialog
07:05 azawawi and then use Alias's FormBuilder plugin to generate the code from the XML file
07:05 azawawi and then extend it...
07:05 azawawi see FindInFiles.pm
07:05 Alias_ It seems to work ok for most normal stuff
07:05 Alias_ And if you hit functionality gaps, give me a yell
07:06 Alias_ I'm only implementing stuff as I first hit it
07:06 azawawi Alias_: ah... we meet again! :)
07:06 Alias_ Most new features aren't really hard to add, it's just that trying to implement ALL of Wx in one go seemed imposing
07:06 Sewi Anybody tried the VisualBasic form creator?
07:07 azawawi Sewi: yup
07:08 Hyppolit svn: r13146 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13146
07:08 Hyppolit Starting with the ::Perl::Module wizard page
07:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Perl/
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07:14 azawawi Alias_: busy lately?
07:15 Alias_ Extremely
07:16 Alias_ Training 4-5 nights a week, OSSC almost here, normal work load, christmas stuff
07:16 azawawi i see
07:17 Alias_ OSDC
07:18 azawawi hmm then we better get something cool for the next Padre :)
07:19 Alias_ After November my time frees up a lot
07:19 Alias_ Saturday is my big bout
07:19 Alias_ Boys vs Girls
07:19 Alias_ All-star vicious girls vs poor refs
07:19 azawawi Damian is speaking on Perl 6 interesting.... http://2010.osdc.com.au/programme
07:20 azawawi 3 perl sessions so far
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07:20 Alias_ I really should have proposed a second one
07:21 azawawi and that is?
07:22 azawawi im itching to go back to gaming... one month development... the other games :)
07:24 azawawi Alias_: so what's the best univ-s in au for computer science?
07:25 * azawawi thinks that preferences needs to be re-written with a searchable tree and keybinding and advanced as nodes in that tree...
07:26 azawawi debugger also needs to be running in tasks...
07:27 Alias_ hrm
07:27 azawawi a cool task manager bottom panel should be available
07:27 Alias_ Well, my university of course :)
07:27 Alias_ UNSW
07:27 Alias_ I could be wrong
07:27 Alias_ But the KEG lab is well regarded
07:27 Alias_ Kernel Experts Group
07:28 Alias_ I'm not entirely sure to be honest
07:28 azawawi thx
07:28 Sewi For the preferences... Plugins should be able to add their preferences to the main pref dialog
07:28 Alias_ Probably the best way to tell would be to check the university admissions score cut offs
07:30 azawawi "Perl 6 script" is going to be moved into the "Perl 6" plugin
07:30 azawawi plugin_wizards supplies wizards now
07:32 azawawi after reading catalyst, mojo plugin source code, we also need to refactor servers (start/stop) functionality
07:33 azawawi Alias_: did you see the "find in files" results tree panel?
07:36 Alias_ Nope
07:36 Alias_ Haven't paid much attention to my checkout
07:36 Alias_ Having been coding intensively enough to hit missing features either :)
07:36 azawawi anyway, it is now complete :)
07:37 azawawi Ctrl-3 "Quick menu access" + "Find In Files" = killer combo
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08:02 vxz I'm having a problem changing the color style of text files in Padre.  Selecting a different style works fine for perl files, but doesn't seem to work properly for text files.
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08:11 Hyppolit svn: r13147 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13147
08:11 Hyppolit Show the next wizard page if it is valid
08:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:12 azawawi vxz: that area is going to be changed soon
08:12 azawawi vxz: basically we're using an ancient scintilla widget that comes with Wx
08:13 azawawi vxz: but what did you want to change exactly?
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08:24 Hyppolit svn: r13148 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13148
08:24 Hyppolit Show the back wizard page if it is valid
08:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Perl/
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08:38 Hyppolit svn: r13149 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13149
08:38 Hyppolit More refactoring and fixes to wizard selector
08:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Padre/
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08:39 vxz azawawi: sorry, didn't notice your messages...I'm just trying to change the colors to the 'night' style from the View > Style menu.  But the style isn't applied to the editing area for text files...just the line numbering margin.  Works correctly for perl files, though.
08:47 vxz azawawi: If that area is being changed, I might also suggest moving the current line background color in to the same style definitions as the rest of the colors, so it doesn't have to be changed manually every time a person changes styles.
08:56 azawawi vxz: will take a look at it tonight
08:56 azawawi vxz: now i have to go to eat lunch :)
08:56 * azawawi lunch &
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09:10 waxhead hey everyone
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09:59 user_3434 Hi
10:00 rindolf Hi user_3434
10:01 user_3434 I'm having a strange error occuring if I want to debug a script. It works if I just run the script but while debuging it gives the following error
10:01 user_3434 fileparse(): need a valid pathname at C:\Test\perl_old\trnsidf_024.pl line 2.
10:01 user_3434 at C:/strawberry/perl/lib/File/Basename.pm line 10.
10:02 user_3434 It seems like the debugger causes problems in the BASENAME.pm
10:03 zenog user_3434: Does it happen for any script?
10:03 user_3434 yes, any that has the basename in it
10:04 user_3434 I mean the function file::basename
10:04 user_3434 but as I said if I just RUN the SCRIPT it works
10:10 El_Che is it not the known bug/feature that the script is copied to a temporary place (/tmp) when run from padre?
10:16 user_3434 ah sounds reasonble
10:17 user_3434 any quick and dirty solution?
10:21 Hyppolit #407: developer garbage on STDOUT (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/407#comment:9 ]
10:22 Hyppolit #204: Scalars leaked: 1 (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/204#comment:3 ]
10:23 zenog user_3434: #1036?
10:23 Hyppolit #1036: Debugged scripts can't find modules in the current directory (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1036#comment:1 ]
10:30 Hyppolit #785: Installation problems on Ubuntu 9.10 and then a Crash after manual install (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/785#comment:3 ]
10:30 user_3434 Thanks for the help but unfortunately the problem remains
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10:43 user_3434 after debugging the script it seems like the arguments ($ARGV[..]) remain undefined by using the debugger. The Basename.pm is correctly found
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10:44 user_3434 are there any specific definitions required for the arguments by debugging
10:48 user_3434 where can I define the debugger arguments of Padre?
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10:58 zenog user_3434: You can add parameters to the Perl interpreter in Tools -> Preferences -> Run Parameters
10:58 zenog user_3434: You can also set the script arguments (ARGV)
10:58 user_3434 That's also the one I found but the Arguments are not used
10:59 user_3434 where?
10:59 zenog user_3434: So they are used for run, but not for debug? I'd say this is a bug.
10:59 user_3434 That's right
11:02 user_3434 Where to post this BUG?
11:02 zenog I have the same behavior here. Let me have a look, maybe it is a trivial fix ..
11:02 user_3434 ah ok
11:02 user_3434 thanks
11:02 zenog Sewi: Can you open the Trac registration for user_3434? (or someone else?)
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11:19 zenog hi Maltus
11:19 Maltus hello zenog
11:25 zenog user_3434: I think I have a preliminary, rather dirty fix.
11:25 zenog user_3434: on the long term, there should be a nicer fix, maybe I'll do that next weekend
11:25 user_3434 great
11:25 user_3434 and?
11:25 Hyppolit svn: r13150 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13150
11:25 Hyppolit fix typo
11:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:27 zenog one second ...
11:27 zenog ...must run tidy_project ...
11:29 Hyppolit svn: r13151 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13151
11:29 Hyppolit consider script and interpreter parameters when debugging Perl scripts
11:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:30 zenog So, it is in r13151. You can either install the trunk version of Padre, or just apply the changes in Padre::Wx::Debugger to your local file.
11:30 Hyppolit Changeset #13151 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13151
11:30 zenog user_3434: If you have questions or feedback, don't hesitate to tell us any time ...
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11:40 zenog lunch &
12:04 user_3434 Thanks a lot for your great help!!! :D
12:08 Sewi zenog: Patch and tidy should be two commits if possible. Not everyone tidies before committing and it might get difficult to identify what was patched and what was only tidied if both are in one commit...
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12:28 zenog Sewi: I just committed what I modified + tidied, and just tidied what I modified ;-)
12:35 Sewi zenog: It's ok, but you might get non-tidied changes with svn update :) No big problem at all, just something someone mentioned to me here when I tidied everything before commit
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13:03 Hyppolit svn: r13152 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13152
13:03 Hyppolit First attempt at fixing RT #63107: Finding declared variables fragile and misses loop variables
13:03 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/
13:09 Hyppolit svn: r13153 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13153
13:09 Hyppolit Added test for get_all_variable_declarations. See RT #63107 (courtesy of Ovid++)
13:09 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/
13:12 Hyppolit svn: r13154 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13154
13:12 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Don't run extra tests for installs.
13:12 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/xt/
13:23 Hyppolit svn: r13155 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13155
13:23 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Moved to Dist::Zilla to simplify deployment
13:23 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/
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13:31 Hyppolit svn: r13156 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13156
13:31 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Updated svn:ignore
13:31 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/
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13:37 Hyppolit svn: r13157 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13157
13:37 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] 'dzil test' now works. Removed unneeded tests.
13:37 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/
13:41 zenog azawawi++
13:44 Hyppolit svn: r13158 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13158
13:44 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Removed VERSION and pod stuff that dzil can auto-generate
13:44 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/
13:45 Hyppolit svn: r13159 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13159
13:45 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Bye bye eXTra tests
13:45 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/
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14:28 azawawi zenog: thx
14:28 azawawi zenog: and ping :)
14:29 azawawi do we have other special cases to worry about for 'for(each)?' loops?
14:29 azawawi is there other syntax than 'for my $a (1..10) { }'
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14:29 azawawi s/other/another
14:30 * azawawi feels confused Perl 5 between 6... :)
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14:42 Hyppolit svn: r13160 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13160
14:42 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Bye bye TODO, and unneeded copyright/author pod.
14:42 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/
14:46 zenog azawawi: pong
14:47 azawawi zenog: just wanted to make sure if i get this right
14:47 azawawi zenog: foreach my $a (1..10) { } # valid
14:48 zenog yeah, valid
14:48 azawawi zenog: foreach my ($a, $b) (1..10) { } # valid on compile, invalid when running, right?
14:48 zenog not sure on that ...
14:50 azawawi hmmm
14:50 azawawi i think we have a Padre syntax checker bug :)
14:51 azawawi write in padre 'foreach my ($a, $b) (1..10) { }'... any errors?
14:51 azawawi and then perl -C -e 'foreach my ($a, $b) (1..10) { }'
14:52 azawawi or perl -C foreach.pl ...
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14:52 zenog I get "Missing $ on loop variable at ./foreach.pl line 6."
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14:52 zenog (not in padre)
14:52 azawawi aha...
14:52 zenog let me see ...
14:53 zenog my Padre says the same as the Perl compiler.
14:53 zenog So the syntax check is okay here.
14:53 azawawi really?
14:54 zenog Same behavior for Padre and perl -C
14:54 zenog azawawi: Do you have different perl versions installed?
14:55 azawawi zenog: nop, let me check it again
14:55 azawawi interesting
14:57 azawawi lol... somehow we re-evaluating $ ...
14:57 azawawi s/we/we are/
14:58 azawawi Missing $ on loop variable at C:\Users\azawawi\AppData\Local\Temp\TJnwvk7JrB▼ li ne 1 (#1)▼    (F) Apparently you've been programming in csh too much.  Variables ▼    are always mentioned with the $ in Perl, unlike in the shells, where it▼  can vary from one line to the next.▼ :)
14:58 Hyppolit #1: Improve load time (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1#comment:5 ]
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15:06 azawawi zenog: found it...
15:06 azawawi zenog: very strange
15:07 azawawi waxhead: hi there
15:07 azawawi zenog: 'next if $1 ne $filename;' in Padre::Document::Perl::Syntax
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15:08 azawawi zenog: basically the file name do not match by that strange down arrow character
15:12 azawawi zenog: what perl version are using?
15:13 zenog This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
15:15 azawawi zenog: im on strawberry 5.12.1
15:15 * azawawi installs perl 5.12.1 on ubuntu to double check
15:16 zenog Wouldn't hurt to use extended regexes in Perl::Syntax ;-)
15:17 azawawi 5.10.1 on ubuntu worked
15:17 azawawi it seems to be a problem in 5.12.1 output... at least on win32
15:17 azawawi so far
15:18 * azawawi waits for perlbrew install perl-5.12.1 :)
15:18 zenog azawawi: What is the exact output by your perl?
15:18 zenog Can you paste it to scys.co.uk ?
15:18 azawawi sure
15:22 azawawi zenog: how about sending it over email since it has weird chars...
15:22 azawawi zenog: :)
15:24 daxim paste.scsys.co.uk is unicode safe if the consumer later selects the plain formatting option
15:24 azawawi zenog: sent it...
15:25 zenog ok
15:27 dj_goku azawawi: dj_goku: i got dc... what is dc?
15:27 azawawi disconnected...
15:27 azawawi :)
15:27 dj_goku ahh
15:28 zenog I can't make sense of the special characters. That's strange of Perl ;-)
15:28 azawawi yeah
15:28 zenog If this is normal behavior for 5.12, we should modify the regex ...
15:29 azawawi im checking it again to be sure
15:30 azawawi this means that a lot of syntax errors were not being shown on syntax panel
15:34 azawawi $stderr =~ s/\n\s/\x1F /go;  # is the culprit...
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15:58 zenog hi dapatrick
15:59 dapatrick what up
15:59 azawawi /clear
15:59 azawawi :)
16:20 azawawi shouldnt Perl enable threading by default when built.... wasted 10 min of my life :)
16:22 dj_goku azawawi: perlbrew?
16:22 El_Che idd
16:23 dj_goku azawawi: I said the same when I built it with perlbrew.
16:23 El_Che i was thinking that yesterday
16:24 azawawi dj_goku: yup
16:24 zenog azawawi El_Che dj_goku: You should tell that to the author ... if it is annoying for many people ...
16:24 azawawi dj_goku: i dropped the use of local::lib...
16:24 dj_goku zenog: is there any reason not too?
16:25 dj_goku azawawi: cool. see I don't think you need it if you use perlbrew
16:25 El_Che there seems to be an speed penalty
16:25 dj_goku s/don't/didn't/
16:25 azawawi https://github.com/gugod/App-perlbrew/issues
16:25 El_Che I thought of 5%
16:26 * azawawi checks perldelta
16:27 zenog There is a general speed penalty in using Perl ;-)
16:27 dj_goku azawawi: so your day job is programming in java?
16:27 azawawi dj_goku: yup where threading are on by default :)
16:27 dj_goku haha.
16:27 azawawi s/threading/threads
16:28 dj_goku it needs it though....
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16:29 azawawi "perlbrew install perl-5.12.2 --modern" would be cool :)
16:29 dj_goku yeah
16:30 dj_goku or even perlbrew install --modern
16:30 dj_goku installs the latest and greatest
16:30 azawawi yeah that would be cooler
16:31 dj_goku I am glad someone recommended perlbrew in here.
16:31 dj_goku not sure if that was you azawawi
16:32 dj_goku hrm.
16:32 dj_goku searching twitter for #padreide #perl #padre turns up nothing.
16:33 azawawi http://irclog.perlgeek.de/search.pl?channel=padre
16:34 dj_goku haha
16:35 dj_goku azawawidoes perlbrew work on osx?
16:35 dj_goku haha
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16:40 * azawawi installs Padre on a perlbrew perl-5.12.1 :)
16:40 El_Che it runs fine on 5.122
16:40 El_Che .2
16:40 azawawi El_Che: you have it right now... could you please try this?
16:41 azawawi El_Che: foreach my ($a, $b) (1..10) { }
16:41 El_Che azawawi: at work :( and I changed work
16:41 azawawi El_Che: on win32 5.12.1, it doesnt return any error messages in the syntax checker
16:41 El_Che I'll do it tomrrow, ok.
16:41 azawawi El_Che: np :)
16:41 El_Che ?
16:41 El_Che cool
16:42 azawawi im like 75% till i get Padre installed, and then i can verify if it is a win32-only bug or not
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16:46 azawawi The current preferences dialog must die by the end of this weekend... :)
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16:50 Hyppolit svn: r13161 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13161
16:50 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Switching to [AutoPrereqs] :)
16:50 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/
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17:04 Hyppolit svn: r13162 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13162
17:04 Hyppolit No need to SetItemData in Syntax.pm to zero if you are not going to use it :)
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17:08 azawawi zenog: problem is only win32 specific... cool :)
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17:24 zenog azawawi: Good!
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19:22 Hyppolit svn: r13163 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13163
19:22 Hyppolit [PPIx::EditorTools] Updated Changes after releasing 0.11 to CPAN
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23:36 submersible greetings long lost friends

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