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question |
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user_8305 |
new to Perl |
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user_8305 |
using Padre |
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user_8305 |
want to declare and print a variable |
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user_8305 |
$radius = 50; |
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print $radius; |
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user_8305 |
erroring... |
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Hyppolit |
#1064: Build failures on Padre 0.74 Perl 5.8.9 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1064 ] |
| 07:02 |
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kthakore |
hi Sewi |
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kthakore |
azawawi: ping |
| 07:02 |
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Sewi |
hi kthakore |
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szabgab |
gm |
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azawawi |
kthakore: :) |
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azawawi |
gm everyone |
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azawawi |
or ford :) |
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kthakore |
azawawi: you pinged me a long time ago |
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szabgab |
azawawi, if OrLite is broken on perl 5.8.9 then ping Alias |
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kthakore |
hi szabgab |
| 07:05 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: i already sent an email and ticket-ed it :) |
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* azawawi |
tests autodia plugin |
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azawawi |
szabgab: we need to say which versions are our test beds |
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azawawi |
szabgab: which Perl versions that is... |
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azawawi |
szabgab: see http://bulknews.typepad.com/bl[…]hors-support.html |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13253 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13253 |
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Hyppolit |
[Autodia] It is now working again with the new Padre API but fails to generate UML classes as promised :( |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13254 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13254 |
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Hyppolit |
[Autodia] Added GraphViz 2.04 dependency |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ |
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szabgab |
azawawi: right |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13255 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13255 |
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Hyppolit |
[Autodia] Added a note to the POD to explain that you need to install graphviz first |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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* azawawi |
prepares to engage Terrans with his Zerg forces in SCII :) |
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* azawawi |
game time & :) |
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kaare |
szabgab: How about some blog posts about Padre's current state? |
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kaare |
I lost track of the development. I'd like to know what's up with debugging, how about some project management etc |
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kaare |
And version control interface. But that's integral to the project management |
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kaare |
Debugging: My dream is to be able to debug my cat or mojo app with a Padre full screen debugger. |
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Hyppolit |
#973: Find in Files: search by file type is in UI, but not supported (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/973#comment:1 ] |
| 09:17 |
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zenog |
morning ... |
| 09:17 |
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Hyppolit |
#971: Ack always finds something in .padre/config.db (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/971#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#968: [Catalyst plugin] crash (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/968#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#877: Clicking "Advanced" button in Tools > Preferences causes current changes to be lost (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/877#comment:1 ] |
| 09:22 |
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Hyppolit |
#719: TreeCtrl is a mess - renaming of file doesnt work (windows) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/719#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#672: POD doc browser: various different things (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/672#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#668: Configuration: Review this assumption (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/668#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#605: Add cross reference functionality to Padre (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/605#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#661: segfault when closing the document browser using x (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/661#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#565: Lexically replace variable does not work on outer variable (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/565#comment:4 ] |
| 09:27 |
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Hyppolit |
#566: remove the Padre planet (blogs) (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/566#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#661: segfault when closing the document browser using x (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/661#comment:2 ] |
| 09:34 |
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Sewi |
azawawi: Any news at the scintilla thing? |
| 09:34 |
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Hyppolit |
#949: [REPL plugin] The REPL window keeps coming up open even though the plugin is not loaded (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/949#comment:2 ] |
| 09:34 |
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Hyppolit |
#1063: [PerlTidy plugin] 0.15 lacks translation sources (.po) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1063#comment:1 ] |
| 09:35 |
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Hyppolit |
#935: [PerlTidy plugin] Can't install Padre::Plugin::PerlTidy because of missing "default_plugin_dir" field in Padre::Config (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/935#comment:4 ] |
| 09:36 |
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Hyppolit |
#970: Switching language removes plugin menus (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/970#comment:4 ] |
| 09:37 |
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Hyppolit |
#864: [REPL plugin] Devel::REPL::Plugin::MultiLine::PPI does not work with Padre::Plugin::REPL (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/864#comment:1 ] |
| 09:37 |
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Hyppolit |
#861: [REPL plugin] does not pass tests. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/861#comment:1 ] |
| 09:37 |
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Hyppolit |
#848: [PerlTidy plugin] Tidy plugin leaves blocking grey box (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/848#comment:2 ] |
| 09:38 |
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Hyppolit |
#817: [SVN plugin] Reload all files from disk after update run (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/817#comment:2 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#622: [Catalyst plugin] Catalyst Plugin feature (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/622#comment:1 ] |
| 10:25 |
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zenog |
kaare: There are some open issues with each of those areas - debugging, projects/project browser; version control plugins work, but could be integrated in a much nicer way. |
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szabgab |
kaare: I was planning to have a few screencast sessions with blogs but so far I am very busy with work |
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szabgab |
and my other projects, most notably I spend most of my "spare" time on PEG |
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kaare |
zenog, szabgab: Yeah nobody has got the time :-( |
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kaare |
szabgab: What's PEG? |
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daxim |
http://perl-ecosystem.org |
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szabgab |
thanks daxim |
| 12:16 |
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daxim |
this channel needs a fact bot |
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szabgab |
Hyppolit: peg is http://perl-ecosystem.org |
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Hyppolit |
peg was unknown |
| 12:17 |
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Hyppolit |
peg is now http://perl-ecosystem.org |
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szabgab |
peg? |
| 12:17 |
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Hyppolit |
peg is http://perl-ecosystem.org |
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daxim |
What's PEG? |
| 12:17 |
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daxim |
not as smart as purl :p |
| 12:18 |
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szabgab |
btw I have started to ask here and there a question "What hurts you the most in Perl?" |
| 12:18 |
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daxim |
I've seen the mail thread |
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szabgab |
daxim: if you can get purl here, go for it |
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daxim |
I can't |
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szabgab |
daxim: you saw the one on module-authors |
| 12:18 |
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szabgab |
I think the other thread on Israel.pm brought a lot more interesting responses |
| 12:19 |
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daxim |
I have lots to bitch about, but the vast majorities of problems are mitigated |
| 12:19 |
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daxim |
so I decided to not join in |
| 12:19 |
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szabgab |
starts here: http://mail.perl.org.il/piperm[…]ember/011371.html |
| 12:19 |
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daxim |
for example: ugly deref syntax -> autobox, perl 5.14 style push etc. |
| 12:19 |
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szabgab |
what I'd really like is to reach companies slightly outside of the core Perl community |
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szabgab |
and get them give some input |
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szabgab |
s/companies/people/ |
| 12:20 |
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daxim |
also, your client doesn't know what he's talking about (the ML thread already said so partially), I hope you gave him a good head scrubbing |
| 12:21 |
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szabgab |
I think it is important to see what people say - even if they are not right |
| 12:21 |
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szabgab |
they are convinced somehow |
| 12:27 |
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daxim |
I see this Ronen guy also falls into this category m( FSM help me, he wants compile time method checks in a dynamic language |
| 12:27 |
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daxim |
and thinks that in-house dev is less costly than taking a CPAN module |
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szabgab |
daxim: I don't know where is the problem really |
| 12:32 |
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szabgab |
is it in Ronen and the guy at my client? |
| 12:32 |
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szabgab |
or is the management of Ronen? |
| 12:32 |
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szabgab |
at another client they too have issues with the dynamic nature of Perl |
| 12:32 |
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daxim |
if I would need to condense it into one sentence, it would be "lack of knowledge" |
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szabgab |
especially people who come from the Java world |
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daxim |
of course, that's too generic to be of use |
| 12:34 |
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szabgab |
but I don't havea really good andswer to the issue |
| 12:34 |
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szabgab |
of course I'd say write unit test to cover your method calls |
| 12:35 |
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kaare |
Yes http://blogs.perl.org/users/er[…]ill-never-be.html shows some of the really bad things about the Perl community |
| 12:35 |
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kaare |
Or perhaps it's not Perl. Perhaps it's a geek thing. |
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kaare |
Technically I'd like some native (or magic) threads support. Something that just works (tm) |
| 12:38 |
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kaare |
Perceptionwise we have all these Perl is linenoise-people. I don't think there's a whole lot to do about them. |
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kaare |
They're typically fanboys of some competing language. Even PHP people talk like that! |
| 12:39 |
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daxim |
I can't hear the word any more |
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szabgab |
kaare: what I am after is finding people who use perl in companies and understand some real issues |
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kaare |
szabgab: Perception _is_ a real issue. |
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daxim |
99% of the people who want threads actually want the concept of multiprogramming. threads just happen to be a popular application of MP |
| 12:41 |
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szabgab |
eg. on the Israel.pm thread there were the two points regarding license and that some modules are not well maintained that might be worth looking at |
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daxim |
we have too damn many MP modules already on CPAN so that it becomes difficult even for me to recommend something appropriate |
| 12:41 |
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szabgab |
kaare: right, and that I already know we need to fight |
| 12:41 |
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szabgab |
and that's one of the central issues of PEG |
| 12:41 |
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szabgab |
but I'd like to see what other things hurt companies and try to offer some solution for that |
| 12:42 |
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kaare |
One place I'm working for is getting into Drupal because the mgmt won't invest in upgrading the Perl CMS there |
| 12:42 |
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szabgab |
why not ? |
| 12:43 |
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kaare |
Because they (still) think Perl is dying |
| 12:44 |
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kaare |
That's the main reason I chose to wotk for another company, where I spend most of my time. |
| 12:44 |
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kaare |
Now I can do Catalyst, Mojo, Plack, PostgreSQL, ... :-) |
| 12:45 |
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szabgab |
can you get me in touch with mgmn in both companies? |
| 12:45 |
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zenog |
szabgab: What hurts most about Perl is: pre-modern, lack of tools (there are many good ones, but there could be more!), the usability of the CPAN client (should be as neat as aptitude), and a buggy and incomplete Padre ;-) |
| 12:45 |
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szabgab |
zenog: now you hurt me personally |
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zenog |
szabgab: Why, did you write the CPAN client? |
| 12:46 |
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zenog |
szabgab: :-P |
| 12:46 |
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zenog |
szabgab: Just kidding ;-) |
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waxhead_droid |
howdy |
| 12:46 |
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kaare |
Padre could be a winner for Perl. But nobody seems to have the time to perfect it. |
| 12:46 |
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kaare |
zenog: cpanm is great. |
| 12:47 |
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zenog |
kaare: Then it should be the default. |
| 12:47 |
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kaare |
It is for me ;-) |
| 12:48 |
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szabgab |
hey, a droid ! |
| 12:48 |
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szabgab |
kaare: I need some tuits |
| 12:48 |
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szabgab |
a lot of them actually |
| 12:49 |
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zenog |
szabgab: So all the stuff I mentioned are ecosystem issues. |
| 12:49 |
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kaare |
I use cpanplus to see what modules are outdated. And sometimes the z option |
| 12:49 |
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szabgab |
but it won't be the default for the hard core Perl developers |
| 12:49 |
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szabgab |
for most of them anyway |
| 12:49 |
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szabgab |
zenog: the buggy padre you mean |
| 12:49 |
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szabgab |
? |
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waxhead_droid |
yeah using an irc client on a HTC desire |
| 12:50 |
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zenog |
szabgab: No, generally: old code+installations out there, lack of tools, the package manager: no language issues, but ecosystem |
| 12:51 |
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waxhead_droid |
shall we roll out the next release this weekend? |
| 12:51 |
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kaare |
There are bugs in all programs. I think zenog is hinting that Padre should be more of a RAD tool, The Perl Way, than an editor |
| 12:52 |
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szabgab |
can someone explain me why "October" is in the title? |
| 12:52 |
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zenog |
szabgab: which title? |
| 12:53 |
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szabgab |
the blog kaare linked to |
| 12:54 |
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szabgab |
personally I had really little time lately to deal with Padre |
| 12:54 |
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szabgab |
even though there are tons of things I'dlike to do |
| 12:54 |
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kaare |
szabgab: Not sure I want to let you ask them (the managers) why they are living in the past :-) |
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szabgab |
kaare: no, I'd like to ask them if the Perl Ecosystem Group could help them save their investment in Perl ? |
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szabgab |
or maybe just point them to PEG |
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kaare |
How would you do that? |
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szabgab |
how would I do what? |
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kaare |
How would PEG help save their investment? |
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szabgab |
first of all I need to understand - from them - what hurts them in the Perl world? |
| 12:56 |
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kaare |
droids seem to have a hard time keeping a connection alive :-) |
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waxhead_droid |
not the droids fault. the human using it |
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waxhead_droid |
time for sleep. nite |
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szabgab |
nite droid |
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szabgab |
companies (or managers) that think perl has a dying issue need to be asked what aspect do they see it dying? |
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kaare |
szabgab: They never said it though. I just can't see any other reason for their (lack of) actions. |
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szabgab |
I'd like to do a little survey asking companies - managers at companies - the question I asked on those two mailing lists |
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szabgab |
I think I'll write it down and send it to a couple of people asking them to forward it to managers |
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szabgab |
do you think they would answer? |
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kaare |
szabgab: Not sure. I think it depends a lot on what idea they get from the letter. |
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kaare |
I think I have to explain more in detail what I see as a problem there. |
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azawawi |
hi |
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azawawi |
Sewi: no real progress yet... started experimenting with ExtUtils::CBuilder |
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azawawi |
Sewi: in stc that is |
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azawawi |
Sewi: the problem is that I have too much to fix in my Padre-TODO list :) |
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* azawawi |
nap & |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13256 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13256 |
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Hyppolit |
Skip .svn directories at find in files |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ |
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Hyppolit |
#1063: [PerlTidy plugin] 0.15 lacks translation sources (.po) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1063#comment:2 ] |
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zenog |
Sewi++ |
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zenog |
& |
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kthakore |
:( |
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kthakore |
hi Sewi |
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kthakore |
Sewi: all the #sdl devs are away/busy or w/e waaaaaah |
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Sewi |
kthakore: So go on work on Padre :-) |
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kthakore |
Sewi: but but I wanna make game |
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kthakore |
I release SDLx-Widget 0.04 though |
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kthakore |
:D |
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kthakore |
new textbox widget for SDL |
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kthakore |
:D |
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ok, new shell :) |
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