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IRC log for #padre, 2010-12-06

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07:35 Hyppolit svn: r13338 | thecrux++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13338
07:35 Hyppolit Updated Russian translation
07:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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07:44 * azawawi switches to maintainer support mode :)
07:45 dj_goku hey azawawi
07:45 azawawi hi dj_goku
07:45 azawawi how r u?
07:46 dj_goku good, just designing some tables in an app I am writing. You?
07:47 azawawi restoring translation sources to all of our Dist::Zilla modules
07:49 dj_goku cool
08:04 El_Che lo
08:11 azawawi hi El_Che
08:11 Hyppolit svn: r13339 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13339
08:11 Hyppolit [23 plugins] Updated Changes
08:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Ecliptic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Mojolic
08:15 Hyppolit svn: r13340 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13340
08:15 Hyppolit [22 plugins] Removed MANIFEST.SKIP to restore PO/POT translation sources
08:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Ecliptic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Mojolicious/ trunk/Padre-Plugin
08:17 Hyppolit svn: r13341 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13341
08:17 Hyppolit [CSS] Restore PO/POT translation sources
08:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/
08:20 Hyppolit svn: r13342 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13342
08:20 Hyppolit [CSS] Unix-ify MANIFEST.SKIP
08:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/
08:34 Hyppolit svn: r13343 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13343
08:34 Hyppolit [plugins] Bumping version for a new release
08:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Ecliptic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Mojolicious/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYT
08:46 Hyppolit #1063: [PerlTidy plugin] 0.15 lacks translation sources (.po) (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1063#comment:3 ]
08:49 Hyppolit svn: r13344 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13344
08:49 Hyppolit [PerlTidy] Released 0.16 to CPAN to fix ticket:1063
08:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/
08:50 El_Che azawawi++
08:50 El_Che Perltidy is my favorite candidate for something that should be moved from plugin to core
08:55 azawawi True
08:56 azawawi I am thinking that we should have on-demand-features that are enabled after installing their dependencies...
08:57 Sewi But checking on every Padre start could be expensive
08:57 azawawi checking?
08:57 Sewi Looking if all dependencies for "x" are installed.
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08:59 azawawi Sewi: not that... im just saying we could test if Perl::Tidy is installed and thus enable the feature in Padre once it is installed...
09:00 Sewi I'm voting for this, too, just mentioning what could be a bad :)
09:01 azawawi cool
09:01 azawawi :)
09:02 El_Che don't you think that code formatting is a "basic" function of every ide?
09:03 El_Che meaning we could add it as a dependency instead of a recommends
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09:05 azawawi El_Che: true
09:06 * azawawi looks at Perl::Tidy  dependencies
09:06 azawawi no deps
09:06 azawawi but some failures
09:21 Hyppolit svn: r13345 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13345
09:21 Hyppolit [plugins] Updated Changes after a quick 'dzil release'
09:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Ecliptic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Mojolicious/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYT
09:28 Hyppolit svn: r13346 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13346
09:28 Hyppolit [Perl6] Use App::Grok when you actually need it in Perl 6 Help.
09:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
09:36 Hyppolit svn: r13347 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13347
09:36 Hyppolit [SpellCheck] 'dzil test' now works again by removing trailing whitespace
09:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck​/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/
09:37 Hyppolit svn: r13348 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13348
09:37 Hyppolit [Perl6, PerlCritic, XS, SpellCheck] Updated Changes after 'dzil release'
09:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlCritic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XS/
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09:44 El_Che there are some buggy behaviours that need to be ironed out
09:45 azawawi which is?
09:45 El_Che I implemented some "save" position after running perltidy there, but not perfect
09:45 azawawi where are ?:)
09:45 El_Che perltidy generates a new file => line nr and places differ
09:45 El_Che so we try to keep the position with a regex
09:46 El_Che to no eat to much ram, I let it fail when it looks that it has to read to much of the file (and the position defaults to the beginning of the file)
09:46 azawawi El_Che: where is that in perltidy plugin or in core?
09:47 El_Che plugin
09:47 El_Che there is nothing in core
09:47 El_Che I worked on the plugin a little with the idea that it could be core some day
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09:48 El_Che without that feature, it was too basic for me
09:48 El_Che (I wanted to work like on netbeans)
09:48 Hyppolit svn: r13349 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13349
09:48 Hyppolit update translation credits
09:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/
09:48 azawawi El_Che: tidy on save?
09:52 Hyppolit svn: r13350 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13350
09:52 Hyppolit [ClassSniff] Bumping version to 0.30 instead of 0.03 because of uploading errors. Updated Changes
09:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/
09:53 El_Che no, just like you don't have the feeling you are working on a new file
09:54 azawawi i see
09:54 El_Che it feels different when the lines shift while keeping the cursor in place, or reloading a "different" file
09:54 El_Che it's all aesthetics, but nevertheless
09:55 El_Che we know it's no big difference underneath
09:55 azawawi hmmm you could find the PPI element location and try to match it again
10:03 Hyppolit svn: r13351 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13351
10:03 Hyppolit Changes or Changelog files are now detected as text instead of CSS files
10:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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10:16 Hyppolit svn: r13352 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13352
10:16 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Removed .pl extension from bin/parse_wxwidgets_docs.pl
10:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
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10:42 Hyppolit svn: r13353 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13353
10:42 Hyppolit [ClassSniff] Updated Changes after CPAN release
10:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/
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11:24 faiz_82 Hi guys, anyone awake?
11:30 Sewi sure
11:30 Sewi hi faiz_82
11:31 faiz_82 Just a beginner here, wanted some help, installing Padre on windows
11:31 faiz_82 Hi Sewi
11:32 faiz_82 have Strawberry perl installed on my machine n trying to get padre from : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Padre/lib/Padre.pm
11:34 faiz_82 got it.. Thanks guys..see you all soon
11:40 El_Che lo
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12:38 Hyppolit svn: r13354 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13354
12:38 Hyppolit updated ActiveState information
12:38 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
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13:09 Hyppolit svn: r13355 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13355
13:09 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Revamping parse_wxwidgets_docs to help Debian maintainers
13:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
13:17 Hyppolit svn: r13356 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13356
13:17 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Perl tidy
13:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
13:21 Hyppolit svn: r13357 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13357
13:21 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Cleanup temporary directory
13:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
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13:27 Hyppolit svn: r13358 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13358
13:27 Hyppolit [WxWidgets plugin] fix some typos in script
13:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
13:33 Hyppolit svn: r13359 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13359
13:33 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] No need to [PadrePlugin]. [ModuleBuild] Dist::Zilla option is buggy when you have a script/ or bin/ directory in your directory on win32. It fails with [EOLTests]. 'dzil test' now works :)
13:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
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13:38 Hyppolit svn: r13360 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13360
13:38 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Updated wxwidgets.pod
13:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/share/doc/
13:40 Hyppolit svn: r13361 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13361
13:40 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Updated Changes
13:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/
13:44 Hyppolit svn: r13362 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13362
13:44 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Fixed #! shebang
13:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
13:46 Hyppolit svn: r13363 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13363
13:46 Hyppolit [Vi plugin] call command line 'vi Command Line' instead 'Command Line'
13:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Vi/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Vi/lib/Padre/Plugin/Vi/
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13:56 Hyppolit svn: r13364 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13364
13:56 Hyppolit [several plugins] svn:ignore
13:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ClassSniff/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Ecliptic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Parrot/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlCritic/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Per
13:56 Hyppolit svn: r13365 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13365
13:56 Hyppolit svn:ignore
13:56 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/Perl6-Refactor/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/
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14:03 Hyppolit svn: r13366 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13366
14:03 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Switched to [AutoPrereqs]
14:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/
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14:18 Hyppolit svn: r13367 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13367
14:18 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Updated Changes after a 'dzil release' :)
14:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/
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14:28 Hyppolit svn: r13368 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13368
14:28 Hyppolit [Autodia plugin] fix error in about box
14:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/lib/Padre/Plugin/
14:33 Hyppolit svn: r13369 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13369
14:33 Hyppolit [Autodia plugin] small menu text changes
14:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/lib/Padre/Plugin/
14:49 Hyppolit #1075: [HG plugin] error messages and warnings (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1075#comment:1 ]
15:07 Hyppolit svn: r13370 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13370
15:07 Hyppolit In F2 help search, core module since-Perl-version string is now a v-string (e.g. v5.8.9 instead of v5.008009)
15:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
15:11 bricas azawawi: ping
15:11 azawawi bricas: pong
15:12 bricas azawawi: i was looking through my plugins today and i noticed the "My" plugin was no longer "compatible" -- this may be fixed now, but i thought i'd ping you to see.
15:12 azawawi bricas: padre --reset ?
15:14 bricas ah-ha. i see, just an old local version?
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15:24 azawawi bricas: yup... sorry i was away bit
15:26 * azawawi starts preparing for gaming weekend :)
15:27 bricas right-o. thanks.
15:29 azawawi Alias: Time for your awakening. I feel the need to play games :)
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18:39 jose hey guys! so I just tried to see if I installed a package with cpan correctly by typing "use *package" and got an error - I believe its because I need to point padre to where it downloaded
18:39 jose is that correct?
18:41 daxim do you really type that asterisk there?  that's not allowed, try     use The::Name::Of::The::Module;
18:41 jose oh, yeah that's what i did
18:41 jose no asterisk
18:41 daxim it's also helpful to accurately paste the error message
18:41 jose just did that as a placeholder
18:41 jose Can't locate Spreadsheet/ParselExcel/SaveParser.pm in @INC (@INC contains: c:/strawberry/perl/lib c:/strawberry/perl/site/lib C:\strawberry\perl\vendor\lib .) at C:\Documents and Settings\jvillalobos\Desktop\excel script.pl line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:\Documents and Settings\jvillalobos\Desktop\excel script.pl line 3.
18:42 jose that directory is where i thought cpan should be placing modules, though
18:42 daxim right, and you could search the file system now to figure out where Spreadsheet::ParselExcel actually ended up
18:43 jose but once I do that, do I modify the path through padre?
18:44 daxim I'd say yes, to make it work for you now quickly.  if you encounter further problems, you can come back anyway
18:44 jose k
18:45 jose that reminds me - when executing perl.exe from windows, the shell doesn't seem to run properly
18:45 jose is that normal?
18:46 jose <-misses bash
18:46 daxim what is "properly"? explain what you see and what you expect to see instead
18:47 jose i expect to see a prompt that would allow me to type in an expression (like 2+2) that would get evaluated
18:47 daxim that's a REPL
18:47 daxim sorry, the perl executable never did that, neither on linux
18:47 jose gotcha
18:48 daxim install Devel::REPL
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18:48 jose will do
18:48 jose thanks!
18:48 jose sorry for these n00b questions by the way, i'm coming from python
18:48 daxim no problem
18:58 szabgab daxim, jose I usually use the command line debugger as a repl
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18:58 szabgab perl -de1
18:58 jose cool, i'll look into that
18:59 daxim starts quick, poor features, terrible usability - I call that a bad trade-off
19:13 rindolf Hi all.
19:14 jose so daxim, others, if you don't mind me asking - are there a couple of clear advantages to using Padre as opposed to something like Textmate?
19:15 jose i'm guessing auto-completion is a huge advantage?
19:16 daxim I don't use textmate, I don't know its features so I cannot compare
19:16 daxim szabgab?
19:16 Hyppolit szabgab is Gabor Szabo
19:16 * daxim slaps Hyppolit
19:16 El_Che haha
19:16 El_Che Hypolit: Gabor likes white camels
19:16 El_Che :)
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23:07 kthakore Gabor?
23:07 kthakore El_Che: didn't work
23:14 Hyppolit svn: r13371 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13371
23:14 Hyppolit Turkish translations
23:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/share/locale/
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23:52 Hyppolit svn: r13372 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13372
23:52 Hyppolit Turkish translations
23:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Mojolicious/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYTProf/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlCritic/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/share/local
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