Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-12-08

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00:41 Hyppolit svn: r13378 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13378
00:41 Hyppolit When Padre is closed while maximized, we now correctly stay maximized after a restart
00:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
00:44 Hyppolit svn: r13379 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13379
00:44 Hyppolit When Padre is closed while maximized, we now correctly stay maximized after a restart
00:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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02:25 kthakore Alias: hi
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03:29 Alias hi
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03:47 kthakore Alias: well?
03:47 * kthakore taps his foot
03:55 kthakore bah fine
03:55 kthakore Alias: :*(
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06:26 Alias I'm working on it
06:27 Alias Trying to come up with something worthy of my time
06:27 Alias Something I won't get bored with
06:33 kthakore Alias: ok!
06:33 kthakore Alias: yay!
06:33 kthakore Alias: remember it doesn't have to be 2D only
06:33 kthakore Alias: you can use OpenGL with SDL and Perl too
06:35 Alias Yup
06:35 Alias Remember the discussion about replicating minecraft in 2d?
06:36 Alias I decided that kinda sucked
06:36 Alias But I was pondering the idea of doing a 3D programmable automata thing
06:36 kthakore Alias: cool
06:36 kthakore have you done OpenGL before?
06:37 Alias Similar basic look and feel to minecraft, but you could program your own blocks
06:37 Alias Nope
06:37 Alias Well, I did a few tutorial demos once
06:37 kthakore ok well you will need help with that
06:37 kthakore but I can help you with that
06:37 Alias It's in the docs right?
06:37 kthakore how is your matrix and linear algebra
06:37 Alias Negligable :)
06:37 kthakore Alias: hah sure but just functions. YOu have to understand a bit of matrices
06:37 kthakore meh good enough
06:37 kthakore do you understand stack systems?
06:38 Alias I realised at some point I'm better at learning things than remembering
06:38 kthakore yep
06:38 kthakore that is how it is
06:38 kthakore Alias: go play with the code from SDL_Manual
06:38 Alias I still can't remember much calc, but I just rediscover it from first principles with limits when I need it
06:38 kthakore last chapter
06:38 Alias Anyways
06:38 Alias I'll get to it
06:38 kthakore no need for cacl
06:39 Alias While I'm thinking up my game I'm fixing List::MoreUtils and YAML::Tiny and other worthy things
06:39 Alias Well, there might be
06:39 kthakore if you understand stack pushing and poping
06:39 kthakore you are good
06:39 Alias The other thing I was interested in a planetary style thing
06:39 Alias Because whenever I've tried them in the past, they are buggy
06:39 kthakore Alias: did you see gravong?
06:39 kthakore very smooth planetary gravity animation
06:39 Alias I always wanted one that actually used calc to work out proper velocities and acceleration over the length of the whole tick
06:39 Alias Rather than assuming constant acceleration over the tick
06:40 kthakore we do the calc for you
06:40 Alias Do you assume constant acceleration?
06:41 Alias My other thought was if it was possible to write a game based on quantum physics comehow
06:41 Alias somehow
06:41 Alias Something where certainty itself was a variable
06:41 Alias And sometimes your game pieces just kind of spontaneously tunnel :)
06:42 Alias But my quantum physics probably isn't strong enough
06:42 Alias Anyways
06:42 kthakore haha
06:42 Alias I watched a video of Notch doing a time-lapsed game writing exercise over 2 days
06:42 kthakore no constant accelleration
06:43 kthakore you can change it
06:43 Alias And there was a clear initial concept design phase
06:43 Alias He wrote a game where you have a gun that shoots people that shoot at you and try to kill you
06:43 Alias i.e. You start the game with nobody shooting at you and puzzles
06:43 Alias And your guns shoots little men like a bazooka
06:43 Alias And when the men land, they try to kill you :)
06:44 Alias And you have to use the metagun to beat the puzzles
06:44 Alias It was cute
06:44 kthakore Alias:  like this https://github.com/kthakore/GravongProjec​t/blob/master/lib/Game/Object/Ball.pm#L39
06:44 kthakore Alias: acceleration is a callback
06:45 Alias Yeah, see, acceleration is a constant
06:45 Alias For the duration of the tick
06:45 kthakore Alias: how is it?
06:46 Alias You add it up and return it
06:46 kthakore that acceleartion is not called per tick
06:46 Alias As a number
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06:46 kthakore it is call per dt!
06:46 Alias Per dt?
06:46 kthakore dt is increments of ticks
06:46 kthakore derivative of time
06:46 Alias So less than per tick?
06:46 kthakore calculus alert
06:46 kthakore yep
06:46 Alias Also a problem
06:46 kthakore ahha
06:46 Alias I wrote some planetary simulators as a kid
06:46 kthakore I love how you are judging all of the game engines out there
06:47 kthakore Alias: try the game you will get it
06:47 kthakore it works fine
06:47 Alias No, I'm just saying
06:47 Alias Without collisions, because in space planets are WAY small compared to distance
06:47 Alias And what would happen was at some point one planet would get REALLY close to another
06:47 Alias And because acceleration was calculated per some-interval, massive acceleration would apply for the duration of the interval
06:47 Alias Instead of being a curve throughout the interval
06:48 kthakore you are getting into n-bodies problem
06:48 Alias I know
06:48 kthakore that is really hard without a good quad-tree implementation
06:48 Alias I certainly wasn't planning on doing anything with high-n
06:48 kthakore or oct-tree for 3D
06:48 Alias Not initially anyway
06:48 kthakore still doable though
06:48 kthakore no no
06:49 kthakore you need a good scenegraph
06:49 kthakore http://www.stanford.edu/class/cme212/Lecture11.pdf
06:49 kthakore your data structure must be a tree of some sort
06:49 kthakore for n-bodies
06:49 kthakore you need a threshold of when toapproximate
06:49 Alias I was actually thinking more of this
06:49 Alias http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/Math-Symbol​icX-Inline-1.11/lib/Math/SymbolicX/Inline.pm
06:49 kthakore and when to be exat
06:50 kthakore yeah tried it
06:50 kthakore didn't go over well
06:50 Alias I mean, I imagine it would be fairly slow :)
06:50 kthakore this really needs to be in C
06:50 kthakore yeha
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06:50 Alias Anyways, still tossing around ideas
06:53 kthakore Alias: ok
06:53 kthakore come chat us on #sdl
06:53 Alias When I'm ready
06:53 Alias I don't want to make the mistake of letting the implementation drive the concept
06:53 Alias If I'm going to do this, I should do it properly
06:54 kthakore remeber though
06:54 kthakore release early release often
06:54 kthakore don't get hung up on perfection
06:54 Alias ... once it works
06:54 Alias And if there's no design, there's no point starting
06:55 kthakore ok
06:58 * Alias heads home
06:58 Alias Might be back on a different nick
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07:50 Hyppolit svn: r13380 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13380
07:50 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Added better documentation to parse_wxwidgets_docs and switched back to re-use [@PadrePlugin]
07:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/bin/
07:54 Hyppolit svn: r13381 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13381
07:54 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Fixed dist.ini ordering issue
07:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/
07:59 Hyppolit svn: r13382 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13382
07:59 Hyppolit [@PadrePlugin] Switched to [MakeMaker] instead of [ModuleBuild] since it conflicts on win32 with [EOLTests]
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-PadrePlugin/ trunk/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Padre​Plugin/lib/Dist/Zilla/PluginBundle/
08:08 Hyppolit svn: r13383 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13383
08:08 Hyppolit Removed Dist-Zilla-Plugin-LoadTests. Not used anymore and functionality now is integrated in [CompileTests] (jquelin++)
08:08 Hyppolit trunk/
08:13 Hyppolit svn: r13384 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13384
08:13 Hyppolit [@PadrePlugin] Preparing to 0.08 dzil release
08:13 Hyppolit trunk/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-PadrePlugin/
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08:38 Hyppolit svn: r13385 | ddn123456++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13385
08:38 Hyppolit Updated dutch translation.
08:38 Hyppolit Initial dutch plugin translation added by Dirk De Nijs.
08:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/share/locale/ trunk/Padre
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08:44 Hyppolit svn: r13386 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13386
08:44 Hyppolit [@PadrePlugin] Updated Changes after a dzil release
08:44 Hyppolit trunk/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-PadrePlugin/
08:55 Hyppolit svn: r13387 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13387
08:55 Hyppolit Updated Changes for all plugins in r13385 (ddn123456++)
08:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTMLExport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYTProf/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XS/
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09:08 Hyppolit svn: r13388 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13388
09:08 Hyppolit [WxWidgets] Updated Changes after a 0.03 dzil release
09:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/
09:16 waxhead hey everyone
09:16 waxhead are we right to do a release tonight?
09:22 Alias_ Tick from me
09:24 waxhead cool..
09:24 waxhead wow.. .all tests pass under RELEASE_TESTING!
09:24 waxhead awesome
09:24 waxhead Alias_, so how was the roller derby and OSDC?
09:24 Alias_ good
09:24 waxhead did you do any presentations?
09:24 Alias_ Just one
09:24 Alias_ About work
09:25 waxhead any video footage?
09:25 Alias_ Work wouldn't allow it
09:25 waxhead oh.. the billion dollar system on open source?
09:25 Alias_ ya
09:25 waxhead bummer..
09:25 Alias_ We didn't have time to review the talk properly with bosses
09:25 waxhead guess there's some commercial sensitivity there
09:25 Alias_ So it was a precautionary measure in case I said something I shouldn't have
09:25 waxhead hahaha
09:26 Alias_ Mostly security tbh
09:26 Alias_ Just generally around not attracting attention
09:26 Alias_ Most people don't know we exist, and that's a good thing
09:26 Alias_ Or at least, most nerds and people in other countries
09:27 waxhead know the company doesn't exist or that you write such a system in perl?
09:28 waxhead far out.. plenty of changes again this month...
09:29 waxhead be interesting to check the translations page
09:33 Hyppolit svn: r13389 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13389
09:33 Hyppolit Add date for release 0.76
09:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
09:33 waxhead hmm... the date for this release sucks.. it's my ex's birthday...
09:33 waxhead "Black Padre" release.. :)
09:34 Hyppolit svn: r13390 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13390
09:34 Hyppolit Perl Tidy for release 0.76
09:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/t/
09:37 Hyppolit svn: r13391 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13391
09:37 Hyppolit Version bump for 0.76
09:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/Devel/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Pl
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09:46 azawawi waxhead++
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09:54 azawawi Alias_: ping
09:57 waxhead wow syntax check is TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!
09:57 waxhead azawawi++
09:57 waxhead azawawi++^2
09:58 azawawi waxhead: thanks
09:58 waxhead azawawi... I'm going to break a rule here:
09:58 azawawi waxhead: i was thinking how to fix that theme bug on ubuntu
09:58 waxhead $VAR1 = bless( {
09:58 waxhead 'file_msgpath' => '/usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1/SDL.pm',
09:58 waxhead 'file' => 'SDL.pm',
09:58 waxhead 'message' => '',
09:58 waxhead 'line' => 42,
09:58 waxhead 'file_abspath' => '/usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1/SDL.pm'
09:58 waxhead }, 'Parse::ErrorString::Perl::ErrorItem' );
09:58 waxhead there's a dump left in the code I think.. :)
09:59 azawawi waxhead: let me install it and see
09:59 waxhead azawawi , want to fix it and I'll redo the release?
10:00 azawawi let me check if it is in Padre or ErrorString
10:01 azawawi waxhead: could you please tell me the version of Parse::ErrorString::Perl on your setup?
10:03 waxhead what's the perl one liner to check version???
10:05 azawawi waxhead: in padre, paste Parse::ErrorString::Perl and then select it and Ctrl-Shift-O :)
10:06 azawawi waxhead: or ctrl-shift-o and paste it :)
10:06 waxhead $Parse::ErrorString::Perl::VERSION = '0.15';
10:07 azawawi does it happen all the time?
10:07 azawawi repeatable?
10:09 azawawi waxhead: if I were you, I would follow my release rules :)
10:10 waxhead doesn't seem to be..I can't find here it happened.. ie when it first found the errors
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10:12 waxhead azawawi, found it: lib/Padre/Wx/Syntax.pm:warn "Cannot handle issue:\n" . Data::Dumper::Dumper($issue) . "\n";
10:13 waxhead it's a warning really.. probably not a major issue to worry about?
10:13 azawawi waxhead: let me check
10:14 waxhead azawawi, trunk/Padre$ grep -ir 'Cannot handle issue:' *
10:14 azawawi waxhead: Find In files :)
10:14 waxhead well there is that too.. :)
10:16 * azawawi fixes it
10:20 Hyppolit svn: r13392 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13392
10:20 Hyppolit Fix possible warning in syntax checker view when there is no issue type. Converted it to a TRACE(...) if DEBUG.
10:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:20 azawawi waxhead: could you test it now?
10:21 azawawi waxhead: im really interested in when does that actually happen... but for the time being it is a TRACE
10:22 waxhead ok
10:22 waxhead just testing and making
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10:24 azawawi cool
10:25 azawawi waxhead: btw, have you noticed there is no cpan testers report for Padre 0.74 ?
10:26 waxhead azawawi, Please find below the latest reports for your distributions, generated by CPAN Testers, from the last 24 hours.
10:26 waxhead To set your preferences for what you wish to have reported in this Daily Summary, please visit the CPAN Testers Preferences system at https://prefs.cpantesters.org.
10:26 waxhead Padre-0.74:
10:26 waxhead - i686-linux-thread-multi-64int-ld / 5.12.1:
10:26 waxhead - FAIL http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/0abce42e-fedc-11df-9220-462bc12c6aef
10:26 waxhead I'm getting emails about it...
10:26 azawawi i meant on this page http://search.cpan.org/~plaven/Padre-0.74/
10:26 * waxhead really is abusing the no paste rule tonight
10:26 waxhead oh
10:27 azawawi isnt that automated or something?
10:27 azawawi 0.69 has one, 0.7x nothing
10:30 waxhead azawawi, no output
10:30 waxhead so happy to go now?
10:30 azawawi sure
10:31 waxhead cool.. building test now...
10:31 waxhead I'll post link when I have tagged the release
10:31 waxhead then if OK, release upload to pause...
10:31 azawawi waxhead: i think we need to start some buildbot smoking tests
10:31 waxhead no time for the release annoucement tonight though.. I'll do it tomorrow night..
10:32 waxhead azawawi, how so?
10:32 azawawi waxhead: the idea is simple, perlbrew install perl-5.12.2 && cpanm Padre :)
10:32 waxhead I have a debian server here that could do it if it can be automated
10:32 azawawi waxhead: everytime delete ~/.perlbrew and start again
10:33 azawawi waxhead: that way we can be 100% that it installs correctly on perl version
10:33 waxhead ahh..
10:33 azawawi waxhead: 5.8.7, 5.10.1 and 5.12.2 ... and maybe 5.13.7 (which i know fails :) )
10:34 azawawi waxhead: and then expose that information in the website
10:35 azawawi waxhead: im sure linode could lend us one vm for open source work :)
10:36 waxhead maybe.. :)
10:36 Hyppolit svn: r13393 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13393
10:36 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.76
10:36 Hyppolit tags/
10:36 waxhead everyone has empathy for open source.. :)
10:36 azawawi waxhead: btw, most virtual machine hosting companies provide that service
10:37 * azawawi checks it again
10:37 waxhead ok... pip http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.76.tar.gz
10:37 waxhead I'll try it on Vista now
10:38 azawawi cpanm http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.76.tar.gz :)
10:41 azawawi waxhead: or I can do something about it over feather.perl6.nl after asking Jared about it :)
10:41 azawawi waxhead: hehe
10:42 azawawi waxhead: download of http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.76.tar.gz stalls... any idea why?
10:52 waxhead ok installs fine on vista and ubuntu!
10:55 azawawi waxhead: perfect
10:55 azawawi waxhead: do you know why does it stall? could you restart your http server or something?
10:56 azawawi waxhead: no worries... i fixed it
10:57 waxhead what did you fix?
10:58 azawawi waxhead: downloaded it to feather.perl6.nl :)
10:58 waxhead ah.. that's fine..
10:58 waxhead it's now up on pause too
10:58 * azawawi tests it now
11:00 Hyppolit svn: r13394 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13394
11:00 Hyppolit Version 0.78 added.
11:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:01 azawawi waxhead: any luck finding out why search.cpan.org is not indexing pass/fails for Padre on 0.70+
11:01 waxhead azawawi, nope.. haven't checked/asked about it.
11:02 Hyppolit svn: r13395 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13395
11:02 Hyppolit Set Version to 0.77 for current dev cycle.
11:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/Devel/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Pl
11:03 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.76, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
11:03 waxhead OK, that's the administrivia done.. just have to write the release announcement...
11:03 waxhead but not likely tonight though.. :(
11:04 azawawi Have fun...  :)
11:04 waxhead will do.. time to unwind.. :)
11:05 * azawawi lunch break & :)
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12:03 Hyppolit svn: r13396 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13396
12:03 Hyppolit Fixed a t/01-perl_interpreter.t failure when DISPLAY is not set
12:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/t/
12:04 Hyppolit svn: r13397 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13397
12:04 Hyppolit [Catalyst] Bumped version to 0.12 for release
12:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/
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12:09 Hyppolit svn: r13398 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13398
12:09 Hyppolit [Catalyst] Updated Changes after 0.12 dzil release
12:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/
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13:25 Alias_ Something's wrong with one of the CPAN cloud feeds
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13:26 Alias_ My CPANDB compiler is getting screwy results as well, in addition to the search.cpan failures wrt cpan testers stuff
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18:45 Hyppolit svn: r13399 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13399
18:45 Hyppolit Fixed another test failure and prepared for a 0.13 release
18:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/t/
18:47 Hyppolit svn: r13400 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13400
18:47 Hyppolit [Catalyst] Updated Changes after a 0.13 dzil release
18:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/
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