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IRC log for #padre, 2011-01-10

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02:24 dandv how can I change the background color to something less bright?
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04:34 kthakore dandv: see the options in view->style
04:56 Hyppolit #833: Syntax error crash padre when trying to debug (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/833#comment:2 ]
04:58 Hyppolit #1083: It should be possible to set breakpoints before starting the debugger (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1083 ]
05:00 dandv kthakore: thanks. How can I customize just the the background of one of them? In other words, where does Padre keep its config files? (I don't see any way to change just the background color)
05:03 dandv I mean, any way via the UI
05:05 kthakore dandv: see the preferences I think
05:06 dandv kthakore: nope, can only change foreground color and background of current line
05:07 kthakore I don't know
05:20 Hyppolit #1084: Tooltip expression evaluation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1084 ]
05:21 dandv Where does "Debug -> Evaluate expression" show its output?
05:21 dandv The result is defined, and does show in "Show Value Now"
05:29 Hyppolit #1085: "Debug -> Evaluate expression" doesn't display its output (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1085 ]
05:35 Hyppolit #1086: Debugger -> Display Value should support any Perl expression (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1086 ]
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07:15 Hyppolit #1083: It should be possible to set breakpoints before starting the debugger (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1083#comment:1 ]
07:46 Hyppolit #1087: "Show Value Now" should be displayed in a read-only text box (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1087 ]
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08:20 Hyppolit svn: r13451 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13451
08:20 Hyppolit Fixed ticket:833 'Syntax error crash padre when trying to debug'.
08:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:22 Hyppolit #833: Syntax error crash padre when trying to debug (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/833#comment:3 ]
08:23 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1088 ]
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08:25 azawawi Hi
08:25 El_Che we *are* saved!
08:25 azawawi dandv: ping
08:25 El_Che azawawi is there!
08:25 El_Che :)
08:25 Sewi Hi azawawi
08:26 azawawi I always backlog :)
08:26 azawawi hi Sewi
08:26 El_Che you work for wikileaks?
08:26 El_Che :)
08:26 azawawi not at the moment :)
08:29 dandv hey azawawi. Speaking of wilkileaks, I'm glad nobody here works with them - see https://twitter.com/wikilea​ks/status/23939621570215936
08:31 azawawi szabgab: i have been looking at Debug::Client and it seems that some of its FAIL cpan tester reports may relate to a socket restriction on testing machines...
08:33 Hyppolit svn: r13452 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13452
08:33 Hyppolit Perl tidy and Changes update
08:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:38 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:1 ]
08:45 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:2 ]
08:49 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:3 ]
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09:15 zenog dandv: Well, everybody who is follower of the Wikileaks Twitter account is affected by the subpoena ...
09:15 El_Che the land of the kind-of-free :)
09:15 dandv zenog: yes. And this channel is publicly logged.
09:19 dandv azawawi: no way you fixed 833 that fast.
09:19 zenog dandv: That's right ;-)
09:19 Hyppolit svn: r13453 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13453
09:19 Hyppolit Perl error diagnostics is properly shown on a help panel on the right of the syntax checker tree. It is only shown when there is a perldiag text.
09:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
09:19 azawawi incoming... :)
09:20 zenog azawawi++
09:21 zenog Man, I wish I had some time for Padre hacking :-( ... maybe in February.
09:21 Hyppolit svn: r13454 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13454
09:21 Hyppolit Updated Changes
09:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
09:22 azawawi zenog: I just had the urge to fix it ... That's all... im still in my gaming month :)
09:22 zenog dandv: The funny thing is, the followers of the WikiLeaks Twitter account are also publicly visible, kind of pointless to get a subpoena for that. There is other account information that is non-public, though.
09:23 zenog dandv: I am just discussing technical things here, no political opinion or call for criminal acts ...
09:24 El_Che since when are difficult to read 140char messages criminal :)
09:28 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:4 ]
09:32 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:5 ]
09:32 dandv zenog: They don't just want the followers. "The information demanded by the DOJ is sweeping in scope.  It includes  all mailing addresses and billing information known for the user, all  connection records and session times, all IP addresses used to access  Twitter, all known email accounts, as well as the "means and source of  payment," including banking records and credit cards."
09:33 dandv IP addresses almost always map to home addresses at some point, through ISPs of cable or ISDN access. For mobile users, their position is tracked whenever they use their cell phone or tablet.
09:33 dandv In other words, if you follow WikiLeaks, the feds will knock at your door. They WILL get you.
09:42 zenog dandv: You are right on the first thing. The second, no. You did not break a law. Not a single one ;-)
09:44 dandv zenog: That doesn't matter in the US. Passengers are regularly strip-searched at airports by TSA without breaking any law, despite the constitution preventing unreasonable search without probable cause.
09:45 dandv And the Internet is going to be more and more regulated, see http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/01/08/1227​229/Obama-Eyeing-Internet-ID-For-Americans
09:46 Hyppolit svn: r13455 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13455
09:46 Hyppolit Re-factored the code a bit and the diagnostics help page has now a sticky note light-yellow background
09:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
09:50 Hyppolit #1088: Silent test failures in 0.76 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1088#comment:6 ]
10:08 Hyppolit svn: r13456 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13456
10:08 Hyppolit Escape HTML entities in syntax checker help window. load_html is now used of SetPage.
10:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:31 Hyppolit svn: r13457 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13457
10:31 Hyppolit Reverted changes made earlier to Padre::Wx::HtmlWindow (azawawi--). And the HTML escaping is only done inside Padre::Wx::Syntax
10:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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12:06 Hyppolit #1089: Text::FindIndent warning (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1089 ]
12:07 Hyppolit #1089: Text::FindIndent warning (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1089#comment:1 ]
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12:44 szabgab hmm and by the time I look at the channel all the interesting talk about wikileaks is gone
12:44 dandv what would be a good way to have a key => value structure in memory that is automatically persisted to disk as it gets updated?
12:44 szabgab and azawawi has also logged out so I cannot tell him to finish the debugger in Padre :)
12:44 szabgab dandv: in general in Perl?
12:45 dandv szabgab: yes
12:45 dandv I'm using Moose already
12:46 dandv I suppose I could use a hash tied to a file? or a SQLite database accessed through DBIx::Class, but I'm looking for something easy
12:46 szabgab dandv: AnyDBM_File maybe?
12:47 szabgab yes a has tied to a file
12:47 kaare szabgab: How is the debugger coming along?
12:48 szabgab what is in padre I wrote about 6 or 12 month ago?
12:48 szabgab since then I have not touched it
12:48 szabgab and it looks like that :(
12:48 szabgab but I had some spare cycles in the last couple of days for some other minor issue
12:49 szabgab s
12:49 kaare szabgab:  It's on my wish list :-) http://blogs.perl.org/users​/kaare/2010/12/my2010.html
12:51 El_Che kaare: I played a little when I had some hours available to have a Moose plugin
12:51 kaare Together with introspection. I saw there's a new version of http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-PerlySense/
12:51 El_Che I got stuck :)
12:51 kaare El_Che: On what?
12:52 El_Che To get the meta-data without running the program
12:52 kaare oh
12:53 kaare How does the perl6 plugin do it?
12:53 El_Che it's trivial to get the Moose classes info from Class::MOP
12:53 El_Che e.g.:
12:53 El_Che for my $method ( $meta->get_all_methods ) {
12:53 El_Che print $method->fully_qualified_name, "\n";
12:53 El_Che }
12:54 El_Che $meta is a Class::Mop Object
12:54 El_Che pretty neat
12:55 kaare But you need to new $meta first, or what's your problem?
12:56 kaare In fact, some of my worst itches don't have anything to do with Pardre, but with sdl.
12:57 kaare I can't get a clean install of SDL on OpenSUSE. I just have to force it. Me no like.
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12:57 kthakore kaare tell me in #sdl i can help
12:58 kthakore kaare a bug report would be nice
12:58 kaare kthakore: OK, can I paste a report there, or how do you like it?
12:58 kthakore or even sdl-devel@perl.org
12:59 kaare Will do, thanks
12:59 kthakore sdlperl.ath.cx register for future cases. ok gtg
12:59 kaare kthakore: The other nag I have from sdl is the copy buffer. It's not the same as linux, making it less than seamless.
13:00 kaare Don't know if you can do anyting about that
13:05 Hyppolit svn: r13458 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13458
13:05 Hyppolit Correctly convert newlines to <br> HTML tags
13:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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13:17 azawawi szabgab: ping
13:17 azawawi El_Che: hi
13:17 azawawi kaare: meta data in Perl 6... Perl 6 uses STD to parse Perl 6
13:17 azawawi kaare: s/Perl 6/Perl 6 plugin/
13:21 szabgab azawawi: reping
13:22 szabgab I was trying to update my author.js file
13:22 szabgab http://blogs.perl.org/users/olaf_alders/2011/01/w​hich-cpan-author-fields-should-be-searchable.html
13:23 azawawi szabgab: i was looking at perldiag and i found an interesting bit of information
13:24 azawawi szabgab: Each warning message has (W category) infront of it, which means i could utilize that to generate a more user friendly message
13:25 azawawi szabgab: To disable in current lexical scope, please use: no warnings '$category';
13:25 azawawi szabgab: is it useful or not. what do you think?
13:26 szabgab sorry I was reading the blog of SawyerX
13:27 szabgab azawawi: it might be interesting but I am a bit worried that we are encouraging sweeping warnings under the carpet
13:27 szabgab or in this case under "no warnings"
13:28 szabgab so I wonder ifwe could give a recommendation on how to fix the specific warning and then as a last resort we can mention turning warnings off
13:28 szabgab I think giving the right category there would be very useful
13:29 szabgab if we manage to collect such recommendations thos might be pushed back to core perl if the p5p likes it
13:30 azawawi that's what quick fixes are for... btw
13:31 daxim > And I hereby withdraw any position against using git I may have held in the past.
13:32 daxim this hopefully means a conversion of ali.as and padre repos is coming in the near future.  again I offer my assistance
13:37 szabgab daxim: good but we should also be able to convert the other things we have around svn
13:37 szabgab eg. the integration with trac
13:37 szabgab commit messages?
13:38 szabgab both e-mail and IRC
13:38 szabgab I know Github has various hooks in place
13:38 daxim http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitPlugin
13:39 daxim I've seen commit notification as Atom feed somewhere, that's better than email anyway
13:39 szabgab daxim: please don't do that
13:39 szabgab it might be better for you
13:39 szabgab but I'd like to get my e-mails
13:39 szabgab but that's actually not a problem, I have already done that with Github
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14:12 Hyppolit svn: r13459 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13459
14:12 Hyppolit Instead of having a (F) prefix in our syntax diagnostics, we now have 'Fatal Error:\n' and when we find a (W category) prefix we map it to "no|use warnings 'category'"
14:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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14:15 Hyppolit svn: r13460 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13460
14:15 Hyppolit A fast Perl Tidy... :)
14:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/share/examples/wx/ trunk/Padre/t/win32/
14:15 kthakore kaare: we use the Clipboard module to handle that. See SDLx::Widget::Textbox
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16:25 Hyppolit svn: r13461 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13461
16:25 Hyppolit report the file size when showing the warning about the file being too big, commafy the numbers
16:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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17:38 grandad just installed padre on activestate perl. Run from padre.exe i get small window (command window?) which is very annoying. Can lose it but returns when i open new file
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17:51 grandad is there anybody there?
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18:05 zenog grandad: here
18:05 zenog grandad: But I cannot help you, sorry, I never used Padre on Windows. If no one here can help you, please write an e-mail to the mailing list.
18:06 zenog grandad: There, people can help you even if they read the message much later.
18:06 zenog grandad: Be sure to include as much information as possible about your setup (which Padre version? which Windows version? which version of ActiveState Perl? etc.)
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18:24 grandad Padre 0.74, XP, perl 5.12.2 build 1203
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19:46 zenog Does anyone know how one can select 2D areas of text? I think Padre supports that ...
19:48 zenog ah, shift+alt and arrow keys; is the mouse not supported?
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20:34 zenog I just had a crash with this error: Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtkfi​lesystemmodel.c:746:gtk_file_system_model_sort: assertion failed: (r == n_visible_rows)
20:34 zenog Is this known?
20:39 rindolf zenog: can you reproduce it?
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21:06 zenog rindolf: nope
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22:22 Hyppolit svn: r13462 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13462
22:22 Hyppolit start adding panel to make it easy to select configuration options for perltidy
22:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy​/lib/Padre/Plugin/PerlTidy/
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