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| 00:00 |
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zenog |
The other option is that you can of course also copy from tab to tab. |
| 00:00 |
|
zenog |
user_2054: Does that help/answer your question? |
| 00:08 |
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| 00:09 |
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SvenDowideit |
ok, can someone please answer me an annoying question? |
| 00:09 |
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user_2054 |
Thanks. It took me a while to find the option you mentioned. But now that I have done, it works! |
| 00:09 |
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SvenDowideit |
I've been using padre for several years - mmm, ok, so since 2008 some time (not quite as long as i thought) |
| 00:10 |
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Hyppolit |
#8: Tool for refactoring code (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/8#comment:6 ] |
| 00:10 |
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SvenDowideit |
and even when I started using it, perl debugging was a 'just around the corner' feature |
| 00:10 |
|
user_2054 |
Is there published help on padre, apart from this site? |
| 00:10 |
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Hyppolit |
#8: Tool for refactoring code (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/8#comment:7 ] |
| 00:11 |
|
zenog |
user_2054: great! |
| 00:11 |
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SvenDowideit |
and yet, i still don't use padre for debugging |
| 00:11 |
|
SvenDowideit |
why? |
| 00:11 |
|
zenog |
SvenDowideit: Because the debugger is (a) quite basic and (b) not very stable |
| 00:12 |
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SvenDowideit |
so the follow on q is - is that because no-one is working on making the debugger fly? |
| 00:12 |
|
zenog |
yes. |
| 00:12 |
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| 00:12 |
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SvenDowideit |
is this a desperate case of needing to throw money at the problem? |
| 00:12 |
|
zenog |
There are some other issues that would maybe need money, but this is also a case. |
| 00:13 |
|
zenog |
Maybe money would not be necessary, just one or more people that concentrate on the issue for a while. |
| 00:13 |
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SvenDowideit |
from my pov, we have a reality that people havn't concentrated on it |
| 00:14 |
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SvenDowideit |
and so if i think its important (and assuming i don't have time do just doit) money is an option that tends to work |
| 00:14 |
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SvenDowideit |
or what is it that is preventing padre from being _the_ perl editor (when i need to debug, i run komodo) |
| 00:14 |
|
Hyppolit |
#1058: Open file via SFTP (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1058#comment:1 ] |
| 00:14 |
|
Hyppolit |
#12: Add remote editing capability via ftp and ssh (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/12#comment:7 ] |
| 00:14 |
|
zenog |
SvenDowideit: You are right. |
| 00:15 |
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SvenDowideit |
darn |
| 00:15 |
|
zenog |
I guess the Perl Foundation would fund someone willing to work on it. |
| 00:15 |
|
zenog |
We could also start a fundraiser so that we can pay alias to do it ;-) |
| 00:15 |
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SvenDowideit |
seeing as Alias isn't here atm, i'll poke him a little - i was hoping to see him at LCA, but he must be busy |
| 00:16 |
|
SvenDowideit |
he's doing too much as it is |
| 00:16 |
|
SvenDowideit |
though admittedly, his workrate is about a million times most people's |
| 00:17 |
|
SvenDowideit |
mmm, ok, i'll toss debugger on my 'i'll never have time to work on it stack' |
| 00:17 |
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SvenDowideit |
thanks for the info :) |
| 00:17 |
|
zenog |
SvenDowideit: Could you maybe write down the main differences between the Komodo and the Padre debuggers? |
| 00:17 |
|
zenog |
What is the difference there? |
| 00:17 |
|
zenog |
I never used Komodo. |
| 00:17 |
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SvenDowideit |
well, number one is - komodo's debugger just works |
| 00:18 |
|
SvenDowideit |
its essentially as competent as visualstudio is for c++ |
| 00:18 |
|
SvenDowideit |
whereas padre's just dies on the non-trivial code i want to step through |
| 00:18 |
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jnap |
I used komodo for a while until I switched to the Mac fulltime and then found the mac version buggy, for what that's worth |
| 00:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
really? |
| 00:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
komodo is an xul app |
| 00:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
so as i understand it, its the same code on all platforms |
| 00:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
mind you perl on OSX is pretty broken |
| 00:19 |
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jnap |
yeah, strange but after a while the application stopped responding to mouse clicks |
| 00:20 |
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SvenDowideit |
only marginally better than the perl on solaris (may it rest in peace) |
| 00:20 |
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jnap |
built in perl is not bad, I think but I useually perlbrew anyway |
| 00:20 |
|
jnap |
the mouse problem for komodo I had on two differnt laptops, with very differnt setups so don't know what to think. Pushed me to using vi in the end |
| 00:21 |
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SvenDowideit |
yup, i use komodo _only_ for debugging |
| 00:21 |
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SvenDowideit |
but it does mean i don't step through code as often as i like |
| 00:21 |
|
SvenDowideit |
(I also only own an older version of komodo, which might have something to do with it too) |
| 00:21 |
|
jnap |
maybe, not sure |
| 00:22 |
|
jnap |
since I am generally developing in Catalyst I find built in debuggers not particular useful, I just do the old school add a ton of debugging statements and so forth |
| 00:22 |
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SvenDowideit |
yeah, which again shows that perl debuggers are not keeping up |
| 00:23 |
|
zenog |
ah, there are quite a few open bugs related to the debugger: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]kjump=1&ticket=on |
| 00:23 |
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SvenDowideit |
given that the c++ projects i've worked on are much more complex - as in millions of lines of code for each component, and 100's of components |
| 00:23 |
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jnap |
I guess I probably don't know what I'm missing then :) |
| 00:23 |
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SvenDowideit |
yup, thats the case for many people |
| 00:24 |
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SvenDowideit |
code review by debugger inspection teaches the team quite a bit |
| 00:24 |
|
SvenDowideit |
but its time consuming, so it takes discipline to balance the cost-benefits |
| 00:29 |
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jnap |
& dinner |
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| 00:34 |
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Hyppolit |
#1086: Debugger -> Display Value should support any Perl expression (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1086#comment:1 ] |
| 00:45 |
|
Hyppolit |
#1085: "Debug -> Evaluate expression" doesn't display its output (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1085#comment:1 ] |
| 00:45 |
|
zenog |
SvenDowideit: What do you think about making the month of March the "Month of the Padre Debugger"? |
| 00:46 |
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SvenDowideit |
march - its probly a month too early for me |
| 00:46 |
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* SvenDowideit |
is desperatly behind in working on mongodb for foswiki - let alone other projects |
| 00:47 |
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* garu |
likes April (or later) best, too |
| 00:48 |
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SvenDowideit |
but i do like the idea that padre _must_ (in the rfc sense) be a good debugger for complicated codebases before it goes 1.0 |
| 00:48 |
|
SvenDowideit |
as that (imo) puts the correct focus on the feature |
| 00:48 |
|
SvenDowideit |
seeing as i've only done little tiny things in Padre, and i presume they are all re-arched away now, i can't really talk |
| 00:49 |
|
SvenDowideit |
and worse, i'm starting to use node.js for things i used to bash out perl scripts for |
| 00:52 |
|
zenog |
Okay, why not April ... |
| 00:55 |
|
zenog |
SvenDowideit: I think you can talk, if you have experience using different debuggers you can help spec out things. |
| 00:57 |
|
zenog |
... anyway, I need to sleep. cu & |
| 00:57 |
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garu |
bye zenog |
| 00:59 |
|
Hyppolit |
#1083: It should be possible to set breakpoints before starting the debugger (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1083#comment:2 ] |
| 00:59 |
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SvenDowideit |
darnit - contribution by user experience - hard to argue |
| 01:03 |
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SvenDowideit |
oh wonderful, and komodo's actually broken for recrusive functions - thus rendering it pointless |
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| 07:30 |
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azawawi |
good morning |
| 07:37 |
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azawawi |
interesting blog post http://blogs.perl.org/users/st[…]ed-perl-apps.html |
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| 08:05 |
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waxhead |
azawawi, evening! :) |
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| 08:07 |
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azawawi |
waxhead: hello... |
| 08:08 |
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azawawi |
waxhead: did you see my email about Padre and 5.10.0... ? |
| 08:08 |
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azawawi |
waxhead: we should write something about that... Do not use 5.10.0... why should the user be using in the first place? :) |
| 08:10 |
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azawawi |
waxhead: s/using in/using it in/ |
| 08:12 |
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azawawi |
http://www.modernperlbooks.com[…]uage-problem.html |
| 08:14 |
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azawawi |
waxhead: ping... :) |
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& |
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szabgab |
hi everyone! |
| 08:56 |
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szabgab |
I just got back from FOSDEM yesterday evening and slowly catching up |
| 08:57 |
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szabgab |
SvenDowideit: I think fixing the debugger to be really good would take about 3-4 days of full work |
| 08:58 |
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szabgab |
the main issue for me is lack of time , I can't do that in 1 hour a day for 60 days :) |
| 08:58 |
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szabgab |
I need to have the 3-4 days concentrated |
| 08:59 |
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szabgab |
if throwing money, then I would mostly appreciate helping me raise money for the Perl Ecosystem Group |
| 08:59 |
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szabgab |
I don't want to ask money from TPF |
| 09:00 |
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szabgab |
not for Padre and not for PEG any more |
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| 09:57 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: welcome back |
| 09:57 |
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zenog |
hi azawawi |
| 09:57 |
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azawawi |
zenog: hey |
| 09:58 |
|
zenog |
I did a CPAN upload of the LaTeX plugin yesterday. Syntax checking works now, and I have added some code completion features. |
| 09:59 |
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azawawi |
zenog++ |
| 09:59 |
|
zenog |
It just looks a bit ugly because of the "UNAUTHORIZED RELEASE" marker here: http://search.cpan.org/~zenog/[…]lugin-LaTeX-0.09/ |
| 10:00 |
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zenog |
azawawi: I guess you can help here, PAUSE says you have the permissions for P::Document::BibTeX and P::Document::LaTeX::Syntax. |
| 10:00 |
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* azawawi |
fixes it |
| 10:03 |
|
zenog |
azawawi++ |
| 10:04 |
|
azawawi |
zenog: done |
| 10:04 |
|
zenog |
thank you! |
| 10:04 |
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azawawi |
try it and please let me know if it works :) |
| 10:05 |
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azawawi |
zenog: have you read chromatic's latest blog post? |
| 10:06 |
|
zenog |
azawawi: yes |
| 10:06 |
|
zenog |
good one |
| 10:07 |
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azawawi |
i guess im not the only one fed up with... :) |
| 10:10 |
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azawawi |
everytime i try to free myself for padre, i get new stuff to work on... |
| 10:10 |
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azawawi |
lately i hardly get any time to work on stuff in my todo list |
| 10:11 |
|
zenog |
What is in your todo list? |
| 10:12 |
|
zenog |
I have told myself to do about 50% of my Padre work on documentation, but I have not started to do so yet. |
| 10:13 |
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waxhead |
azawawi, pong |
| 10:14 |
|
zenog |
hi waxhead |
| 10:14 |
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waxhead |
hey zeno |
| 10:14 |
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waxhead |
how's things |
| 10:15 |
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azawawi |
zenog: lots of stuff... scintilla upgrade, proper diff window, multi-threaded debugger |
| 10:15 |
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waxhead |
the hard stuff.. :) |
| 10:16 |
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azawawi |
zenog: wxformbuilder in padre... :) |
| 10:16 |
|
zenog |
there was some talk about Padre's debugger last night |
| 10:16 |
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azawawi |
yeah i read it |
| 10:16 |
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zenog |
azawawi, I encourage you to work on the hard stuff, I will do the simple things in the meantime :-P |
| 10:16 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 10:18 |
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azawawi |
4 stuff we need to make perfect in padre... 1) highlighting 2) debugging 3) profiling 4) tidying... :) |
| 10:18 |
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azawawi |
that's what makes a Perl IDE |
| 10:20 |
|
zenog |
5) refactoring |
| 10:20 |
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azawawi |
experimental highlighting stuff should be removed... Only scintilla highlighters and then play with a modified Perl lexer from our own C++ scintilla version |
| 10:20 |
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azawawi |
refactoring is the hardest :) |
| 10:21 |
|
azawawi |
especially for Perl |
| 10:21 |
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zenog |
yeah, but even the renaming stuff that we have now already makes a difference. I use it quite often. |
| 10:22 |
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azawawi |
debugging workflow along with multithreading should be improved... at the moment, what we have the bare minimum of a debugger |
| 10:22 |
|
zenog |
agreed |
| 10:23 |
|
azawawi |
profiling with nytprof should be improved to actually parse the result and allow a quick way to move around the results |
| 10:23 |
|
azawawi |
and tidying... should be inside Padre... |
| 10:23 |
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szabgab |
hi azawawi |
| 10:23 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: welcome back again :) |
| 10:25 |
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szabgab |
azawawi: please don't remove the experimental PPI highlighters! |
| 10:25 |
|
szabgab |
they work well for training classes wher the files are small |
| 10:26 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: :) |
| 10:26 |
|
azawawi |
szabgab: i wont do anything until i get the upgraded scintilla version up&running |
| 10:27 |
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azawawi |
http://pastebin.com/5cZQWbZ3 |
| 10:31 |
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szabgab |
azawawi++ |
| 10:32 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: thanks. I see that you dont want to ask for any TPF grants... |
| 10:32 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: slow process? |
| 10:33 |
|
szabgab |
actually I am supposed to pay them a lot of money I promised earlier |
| 10:33 |
|
szabgab |
but nt only that |
| 10:34 |
|
azawawi |
? |
| 10:35 |
|
szabgab |
they don't have money :) |
| 10:35 |
|
azawawi |
hehe |
| 10:35 |
|
zenog |
szabgab: You had that thing in your Padre talk at FOSDEM when your language was English but the OK button was in Hebrew. I think I fixed that, at least on Unix: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13636 |
| 10:35 |
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szabgab |
and for me personally I would not work on Padre more if I got a grant from TPF |
| 10:35 |
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szabgab |
zenog: thanks |
| 10:36 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: any online FOSDEM videos? |
| 10:36 |
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szabgab |
I forgot to point it out in the talk that I'd like the Padre hackers in the room to fix it by the end of my talk :) |
| 10:36 |
|
szabgab |
that could have been a nice plot |
| 10:36 |
|
zenog |
It's just on Unix, I am not sure whether there is a problem with Windows. |
| 10:36 |
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szabgab |
azawawi: we did not make any videos |
| 10:36 |
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zenog |
szabgab: Did you present on Windows or Ubuntu? |
| 10:37 |
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szabgab |
zenog: I'll try it later on Windows, yes that was a Windows machine |
| 10:37 |
|
zenog |
Will be still there - I have no idea how WxWidgets determines the system language under Windows. |
| 10:38 |
|
zenog |
Point is, it must be somehow overridden by Padre to trick wx into thinking there is another system language (=the Padre interface language) |
| 10:40 |
|
zenog |
szabgab: btw, I continued working on those Perl6 programs. They are running for one night now ... for a job that should only take up some seconds. |
| 10:40 |
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zenog |
szabgab: Do you know any Perl6/Rakudo/Parrot people I can talk to about that? Or shall I just chat them up in the perl6 channel? |
| 10:42 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: http://nxadm.wordpress.com/201[…]phic-impressions/ |
| 10:43 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: next year im going to FOSDEM |
| 10:44 |
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szabgab |
azawawi: then I must go again :) |
| 10:44 |
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szabgab |
zenog: the #perl6 is the best place |
| 10:45 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: how much did the trip cost approximately? |
| 10:46 |
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szabgab |
500 USD flight + hotel (but I staied at friends) and there are much cheaper tickets as I understood |
| 10:47 |
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zenog |
azawawi: It is definitely an event worth going to. |
| 10:47 |
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szabgab |
it would be a lot cheaper to fly to Cologne and then by train |
| 10:47 |
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azawawi |
hmm cool |
| 10:47 |
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szabgab |
or maybe to Frankfurt? |
| 10:48 |
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azawawi |
so basically take a train |
| 10:49 |
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azawawi |
Debian 6.0 comes with Perl 5.10.1... why not 5.12.3 ? |
| 10:50 |
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azawawi |
i wonder what padre version did Debian 6 ship? |
| 10:50 |
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azawawi |
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/padre # 0.63... :( |
| 10:51 |
|
zenog |
oops. I did not really notice there was a new release of Debian ;-) |
| 10:51 |
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azawawi |
no marketing... |
| 10:51 |
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zenog |
azawawi: That's normal, they won't pull in the last version of Padre one week before their release ;-) |
| 10:51 |
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azawawi |
i just got that from the link szabgab sent to El_Che ... |
| 10:52 |
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szabgab |
Debian always ships with old versions of stuff |
| 10:52 |
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szabgab |
as they have a long process of stabilizing things |
| 10:52 |
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zenog |
Was 0.63 particularly bad? |
| 10:52 |
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azawawi |
i know but 0.63 is too old |
| 10:52 |
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zenog |
azawawi: It is the version that _we_ offer for Windows currently. |
| 10:52 |
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szabgab |
so they have a long period of freezing stuff |
| 10:53 |
|
zenog |
So I guess we also have a long period of freezing stuff. |
| 10:53 |
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azawawi |
at least they have now an up2date copy of postgresql and mysql :) |
| 10:53 |
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zenog |
On the upside: This is the first release of Debian ever to ship Padre! |
| 10:53 |
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azawawi |
http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
| 10:54 |
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azawawi |
zenog: which means more complaints? :) |
| 10:54 |
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zenog |
azawawi: I hope so! |
| 10:54 |
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azawawi |
zenog: they even shipped OpenJDK 6b18 ... |
| 10:55 |
|
zenog |
We should really take care of our own packaging before complaining about Debian ;-): http://padre.perlide.org/download.html |
| 10:55 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 10:56 |
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zenog |
On the website, we offer 0.63, 0.41, and 0.55 ... |
| 10:56 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: drop the MSI strawberry approach and go with the easier NSIS? |
| 10:56 |
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szabgab |
no idea what NSIS is |
| 10:57 |
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azawawi |
an open source installer maker... |
| 10:57 |
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szabgab |
If you can make it work :) |
| 10:57 |
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szabgab |
but there is also the CitrusPerl Mark Dootson talked about a few days ago |
| 10:57 |
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szabgab |
and his Cava packager |
| 10:58 |
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szabgab |
that should be a cross platform solution which would provide extra awesomeness |
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szabgab |
Mac+Linux+Windows |
| 10:58 |
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azawawi |
"use Moose" in Padre adds 28733 loaded lines... |
| 10:59 |
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azawawi |
lines of code... |
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azawawi |
szabgab: yeah i read about that... should be interesting to see how strawberry and CitrusPerl work together... |
| 11:03 |
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szabgab |
azawawi: want to read your blog about those measurements |
| 11:05 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: will do when i have free time :) |
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_Dave |
morning chaps |
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szabgab |
_Dave: mornig |
| 11:18 |
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_Dave |
quicky |
| 11:18 |
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_Dave |
how do i set an environment variable to be passed to a "run" process? |
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_Dave |
in this case, a test... |
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szabgab |
I think there is not facility for that in Padre |
| 11:19 |
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_Dave |
BTW, good job on padre. that and strawberry has got our testers cooking with gas |
| 11:19 |
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szabgab |
but you can add BEGIN { } to your code |
| 11:19 |
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_Dave |
so set it on the PC and restart? |
| 11:19 |
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_Dave |
hm, ok |
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azawawi |
windows? |
| 11:19 |
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szabgab |
that would also work of course |
| 11:19 |
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zenog |
_Dave: You do not need to restart your PC for that? |
| 11:20 |
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_Dave |
restart padre :) |
| 11:20 |
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szabgab |
:) |
| 11:20 |
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_Dave |
but restarting windows is always a good idea |
| 11:20 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: :) |
| 11:20 |
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zenog |
_Dave: okay ;-) |
| 11:20 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: actually after winxp i dont restart my machine as before |
| 11:20 |
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zenog |
_Dave: But it definitely would make sense as a feature! |
| 11:20 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: with win7, restarts are a thing of the past unless there is an update... |
| 11:20 |
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szabgab |
_Dave: testers? tell me more about that! |
| 11:21 |
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_Dave |
szabgab: you around later? will explain |
| 11:21 |
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zenog |
Does anyone know whether the preference dialog is old-school, or created using FormBuilder or whatever the name was? |
| 11:21 |
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azawawi |
let me check |
| 11:21 |
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szabgab |
probably I am around later though my kids might want some attention too :) |
| 11:23 |
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_Dave |
i'm going to do a talk on it at some point |
| 11:23 |
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_Dave |
sadly the perl-qa thing is only a hackathon |
| 11:23 |
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zenog |
azawawi: old-school |
| 11:23 |
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azawawi |
zenog: way-old-school our @ISA = 'Padre::Wx::Dialog'; |
| 11:23 |
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azawawi |
zenog: :) |
| 11:24 |
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szabgab |
_Dave: do we know each other? |
| 11:24 |
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szabgab |
ourside of IRC? |
| 11:24 |
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_Dave |
only via london.pm. we may have met at lpw. do you have a scary beard? :) |
| 11:24 |
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szabgab |
not this time :) |
| 11:25 |
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zenog |
So to be able to set the environment variables, I would just need to add a few configuration options and hack the dialog + and the "get_command" routine ... maybe I'll try it now. |
| 11:26 |
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szabgab |
I have some small changes on my windows machine, I 'll try to push them later today |
| 11:27 |
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_Dave |
how's padre on the mac? |
| 11:29 |
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* _Dave |
installs |
| 11:41 |
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_Dave |
# Tried to use 'Wx'. |
| 11:41 |
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_Dave |
# Error: Can't load '/Users/daveh/.cpan/build/Wx-0.98-YXRpGB/blib/arch/auto/Wx/Wx.bundle' for module Wx: dlopen(/Users/daveh/.cpan/build/Wx-0.98-YXRpGB/blib/arch/auto/Wx/Wx.bundle, 2): Symbol not found: __ZN10wxFontBase18ms_encodingDefaultE |
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_Dave |
ideas? |
| 11:43 |
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_Dave |
also, we set PERL5LIB to a relative path in the windows environment and padre crashes |
| 11:44 |
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_Dave |
absolute path worked |
| 11:44 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: you trying to install on windows or mac? |
| 11:45 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: s/install/install Padre/ |
| 11:45 |
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_Dave |
mac |
| 11:45 |
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_Dave |
that was the Wx install falling on its arse |
| 11:45 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: perlbrew? |
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azawawi |
_Dave: or local::lib... to get away from system perl problems first |
| 11:46 |
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_Dave |
don't want to hack source |
| 11:46 |
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_Dave |
i need code to run in hudson and on our testers desktops |
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azawawi |
hudson ci? |
| 11:47 |
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_Dave |
arrr |
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_Dave |
we've just moved our testers from very bad ruby to hopefully better perl |
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azawawi |
i see |
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azawawi |
testers desktop = win32? |
| 11:49 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: cpan Alien::wxWidgets # works? |
| 11:50 |
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_Dave |
apparently so |
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_Dave |
please hold |
| 11:50 |
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_Dave |
an playing |
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azawawi |
_Dave: install App::cpanminus... it is easier than the regular cpan |
| 11:50 |
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_Dave |
i know :) |
| 11:50 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: cool :) |
| 11:51 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13647 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13647 |
| 11:51 |
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Hyppolit |
Fixed $BACKCOMPATIBLE to $COMPATIBLE. |
| 11:51 |
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Hyppolit |
Added full documentation for Padre::TaskManager. |
| 11:51 |
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Hyppolit |
Removed many of the "thread'isms" from the Padre::TaskManager so that it is more pure. Removed a bunch of "use" statements from the task manager to prove the disconnection from Wx or threading. |
| 11:51 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Role/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/History/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/ trunk/Padre/share/ |
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azawawi |
_Dave: cpanm Alien::wxWidgets Wx |
| 11:51 |
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_Dave |
i'm building a gonzo perl 5.12 deb with all the CPAN we need |
| 11:52 |
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azawawi |
nice |
| 11:52 |
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azawawi |
Alias++ # nice task manager docs |
| 11:53 |
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_Dave |
and cpnm is doing the work there |
| 11:53 |
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_Dave |
cpanm |
| 11:53 |
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_Dave |
are there c libs needed for Wx? |
| 11:54 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: are you dagolden? :) |
| 11:54 |
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_Dave |
why? broken record? |
| 11:55 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: i dont know... testing and stuff |
| 11:55 |
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_Dave |
no |
| 11:55 |
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_Dave |
this is a whole new world to me |
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azawawi |
_Dave++ |
| 11:55 |
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_Dave |
i've always been very dismissive of testers/testing in general |
| 11:56 |
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_Dave |
but perl+hudson+selenium is a revelation |
| 11:56 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: Wx compiles against existing libs if it finds them |
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azawawi |
_Dave: but if i remember correctly, you can force to compile from source |
| 11:56 |
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_Dave |
I have a UI admin CRUD app I wrote for the BBC that I've got some WWW:::Mechanize tests for that I may recode in selenium :) |
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azawawi |
_Dave: :) |
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_Dave |
next startup i go to is going to feel the full force |
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azawawi |
_Dave: Wx's maintainer is using a Mac (Mattia Borbon)... So i think he will be able to help you better |
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_Dave |
ok |
| 11:58 |
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_Dave |
i'll search |
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azawawi |
I remember reading about 64-bit troubles while compiling Wx on wxperl mailing lists |
| 11:59 |
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_Dave |
docs: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Wx/docs/INSTALL.pod |
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_Dave |
hm, not getting as far as wxperl |
| 12:00 |
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_Dave |
please hold |
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azawawi |
...The 'perl' executable shipped with your OS can't be used to run executables that interact with the GUI, hence you need to use the special 'wxPerl' executable created by wxPerl... |
| 12:00 |
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_Dave |
yes |
| 12:00 |
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_Dave |
not getting that far |
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_Dave |
smells of missing .so |
| 12:01 |
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_Dave |
please hold |
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azawawi |
which step is failing? |
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Hyppolit |
#1000: Run Parameters: Possible extensions (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1000#comment:1 ] |
| 12:07 |
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zenog |
_Dave: added your suggestion to that ticket ... |
| 12:07 |
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_Dave |
which suggestion? |
| 12:08 |
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azawawi |
the env variable passing to run command |
| 12:08 |
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zenog |
azawawi, _Dave: yes |
| 12:11 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13648 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13648 |
| 12:11 |
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Hyppolit |
[website] Debian Sid => Debian Etch |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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_Dave |
azawawi: seems like a simple plugin enhancement |
| 12:11 |
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_Dave |
did I mention that if we get PERL5LIB=../lib in windows, Padre crashed? :) |
| 12:11 |
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_Dave |
when we set absolute path it was fine |
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azawawi |
_Dave: let me check it out then |
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zenog |
azawawi: Do you know the class that implements the "Open Resource" dialog? |
| 12:14 |
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zenog |
azawawi: forget that, got it. |
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azawawi |
azawawi: Open resource it :) |
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azawawi |
# recursive... :) |
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azawawi |
_Dave: just checked it and it didnt crash here... strange |
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azawawi |
_Dave: i put the script.pl in desktop and the sample library in %USER_PROFILE%/lib |
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azawawi |
_Dave: and set PERL5LIB=../lib |
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_Dave |
ok, it's bogon |
| 12:25 |
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_Dave |
thanks for checking |
| 12:26 |
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Hyppolit |
#1067: Open Resource dialog incomplete (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1067#comment:2 ] |
| 12:26 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13649 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13649 |
| 12:26 |
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Hyppolit |
Open Resource dialog: ignore .build directories |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ |
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azawawi |
zenog: might be better if you make it a config parameter |
| 12:28 |
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azawawi |
zenog: 'CVS', '.svn', '.git', 'blib', '.build' => config_ignore_files maybe? |
| 12:28 |
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Hyppolit |
#870: Padre crashs when closing "Open Resource" with the 'x' button from window manager (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/870#comment:4 ] |
| 12:29 |
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Hyppolit |
#465: Integrate open selection with open resource (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/465#comment:1 ] |
| 12:29 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Correct. But even better: It should be configurable in the dialog. |
| 12:29 |
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azawawi |
zenog: that's why i said a configuration parameter :) |
| 12:29 |
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zenog |
azawawi: A little bit like "Find in Files" |
| 12:29 |
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azawawi |
zenog: advanced config dialog? |
| 12:30 |
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azawawi |
zenog: true but we need to unify the ignoring code across find in files, open resource and directory browser (if it uses it) |
| 12:30 |
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zenog |
azawawi: There could be another line below the strange clipboard thing that just says "Ignore |.svn, ...|" |
| 12:31 |
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zenog |
azawawi: That it is also an interesting idea. Hadn't thought about it. |
| 12:31 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Of course it makes sense to generalize that, yes. |
| 12:31 |
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azawawi |
zenog: agreed |
| 12:32 |
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zenog |
I won't have time for that today, shall I write a ticket? |
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azawawi |
zenog: and maybe the next more advanced step is to read the user's .gitignore and svn ignore props... |
| 12:32 |
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azawawi |
zenog: just thinking... |
| 12:32 |
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azawawi |
zenog: sure |
| 12:33 |
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zenog |
azawawi: At least, they could be used as the defaults. |
| 12:33 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Not sure whether it's worth synchronizing. |
| 12:33 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Or there are two setting: manual vs. follow .gitignore/svn:ignore |
| 12:34 |
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azawawi |
zenog: hmmm |
| 12:34 |
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zenog |
hi user_2054, how can we help you? Or are you just having a look around? Anyway, welcome! |
| 12:36 |
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zenog |
azawawi: I'll submit a ticket, and feel free to comment there! |
| 12:37 |
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azawawi |
zenog: cool |
| 12:39 |
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azawawi |
zenog: two ways to do the scintilla upgrade thing |
| 12:40 |
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azawawi |
zenog: hack compile the LexPerl.cxx again in wx STC |
| 12:40 |
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azawawi |
zenog: and hope it works :) |
| 12:40 |
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_Dave |
nope, make test in Wx still fails abysmally |
| 12:40 |
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azawawi |
zenog: or compile the latest version of scintilla ourselves and then write the Wx glue code |
| 12:41 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: could you paste it? |
| 12:41 |
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_Dave |
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group[…]0/08/msg7536.html |
| 12:41 |
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_Dave |
this thread largely |
| 12:42 |
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azawawi |
osx 10.6? |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group[…]0/11/msg7755.html |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
yes |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
forget it |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
i have a linux VM here I use for dev |
| 12:43 |
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Hyppolit |
#1098: common configuration setting "ignore directories" for Find in Files, Open Resource, Project Browser (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1098 ] |
| 12:43 |
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azawawi |
ubuntu? |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
CentOS |
| 12:43 |
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_Dave |
it's BBC sandbox |
| 12:44 |
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_Dave |
i'll stick to emacs for now. i've got 25 years of finger memory |
| 12:45 |
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azawawi |
install from source... better... since only fedora has an up2date rpm... |
| 12:45 |
|
* azawawi |
used centos a long time ago |
| 12:46 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: :) |
| 12:46 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: it is just the Wx installation that is painful at the moment |
| 12:46 |
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_Dave |
yeah |
| 12:46 |
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_Dave |
it's fine |
| 12:46 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: afterwards a simple cpanm Padre will work |
| 12:46 |
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_Dave |
looks like 64 bit issues right? |
| 12:47 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: yeah |
| 12:47 |
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_Dave |
we've gone 64 bit in development and our mod_perl processes have largely doubled in size |
| 12:47 |
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_Dave |
kinda obviously |
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azawawi |
how about Dancer, mojo?... :) |
| 12:48 |
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azawawi |
i know mod_perl scales well though |
| 12:48 |
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_Dave |
when it's done right |
| 12:48 |
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_Dave |
the frontend is Mason, talking to a perl backend |
| 12:48 |
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_Dave |
so two layers of heavyweight |
| 12:48 |
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_Dave |
history... |
| 12:49 |
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azawawi |
i see |
| 12:49 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: btw, what do you like the most about emacs? |
| 12:49 |
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_Dave |
it's a great operating system |
| 12:50 |
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* azawawi |
is used to vi because of stupid AIX :) |
| 12:52 |
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_Dave |
back in the day, given a new machine/os, i'd build the whole GNU toolchain and X from scratch |
| 12:52 |
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_Dave |
and live the GNU life |
| 12:52 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 12:52 |
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azawawi |
_Dave: http://blogs.perl.org/users/ph[…]-has-arrived.html :) |
| 12:53 |
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_Dave |
i'm on the mailing list |
| 12:53 |
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_Dave |
i need to get out build to use perl 5.12.3 as well |
| 12:53 |
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_Dave |
our |
| 12:53 |
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_Dave |
the devs are loving it |
| 12:53 |
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azawawi |
perlbrew install perl-5.12.3 |
| 12:53 |
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_Dave |
64 bit 5.12 |
| 12:54 |
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_Dave |
azawawi: we have custom switches |
| 12:54 |
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_Dave |
it's fine what we have |
| 12:54 |
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_Dave |
hudson builds it overnight |
| 12:54 |
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azawawi |
perlbrew ... -Dusethreads ... |
| 12:54 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Accourding to PAUSE, I now have the privileges for the LaTeX plugin. Do you know whether I need to re-upload the thing? |
| 12:54 |
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_Dave |
threads |
| 12:54 |
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_Dave |
ew |
| 12:54 |
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zenog |
http://search.cpan.org/~zenog/[…]lugin-LaTeX-0.09/ still say "unauthorized release" |
| 12:55 |
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zenog |
Anyway, I can do some more things for the plugin, and then release 0.10 quite soon. |
| 12:55 |
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azawawi |
zenog: try to repair from pause interface? |
| 12:55 |
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azawawi |
zenog: or "reset version"... but that's not recommend |
| 12:55 |
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azawawi |
ed |
| 12:55 |
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zenog |
azawawi: "Force Reindexing"? |
| 12:55 |
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azawawi |
zenog: let me read it again :) |
| 12:56 |
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azawawi |
zenog: "The perms table got altered, now a file should be visited again to overrule the previous indexing decision." :) |
| 12:56 |
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azawawi |
zenog: sure |
| 12:57 |
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zenog |
Hm. Operation timed out. I guess I'll try again in a few minutes. |
| 12:58 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13650 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13650 |
| 12:58 |
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Hyppolit |
[XML plugin] fix syntax checking, tidy code |
| 12:58 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-XML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XML/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XML/lib/Padre/Document/XML/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XML/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-XML/t/ |
| 12:59 |
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azawawi |
zenog: the problem the xml plugin is that it doesnt install on win32 because of failed dependencies if i recall correctly |
| 13:00 |
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zenog |
azawawi: That is not so good. |
| 13:01 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Same for the LaTeX plugin. At least I never checked whether it works on Windows. Possibly not. |
| 13:01 |
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azawawi |
zenog: link it... i'll check it :) |
| 13:02 |
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zenog |
azawawi: What do you mean by "link it"? |
| 13:03 |
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azawawi |
zenog: the .tar.gz file link ... i'll |
| 13:04 |
|
zenog |
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/au[…]LaTeX-0.09.tar.gz |
| 13:04 |
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zenog |
the PAUSE reindexing worked, btw. |
| 13:05 |
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azawawi |
it is already on search.cpan.org? |
| 13:05 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Yeah. |
| 13:05 |
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zenog |
http://search.cpan.org/~zenog/[…]lugin-LaTeX-0.09/ |
| 13:07 |
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azawawi |
zenog: installs |
| 13:09 |
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zenog |
azawawi: Ah, possibly creating a PDF from within Padre won't work. |
| 13:09 |
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azawawi |
zenog: external command? |
| 13:09 |
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azawawi |
zenog: what's the extension of the document? |
| 13:10 |
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zenog |
.tex |
| 13:10 |
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azawawi |
cool |
| 13:10 |
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zenog |
Yes, it calls pdflatex and a PDF viewer. At least the PDF viewer in a very very very un-portable way, and I am not sure whether pdflatex is in the PATH on a normal LaTeX installation on Win. |
| 13:11 |
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azawawi |
ofcourse not :) |
| 13:11 |
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zenog |
I'll prepare a blog post about the plugin soonish. |
| 13:11 |
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azawawi |
win32 comes only with win32 stuff :) |
| 13:12 |
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azawawi |
zenog: the black screen command line flashes when you first open it under padre.exe |
| 13:12 |
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azawawi |
zenog: not a big deal... can be fixed |
| 13:12 |
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zenog |
You mean, just opening the file? |
| 13:12 |
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azawawi |
zenog: yup |
| 13:13 |
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zenog |
I need to have lunch now ... see you later azawawi, it was a pleasure, as always. |
| 13:13 |
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azawawi |
and dies... |
| 13:14 |
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azawawi |
Missing or invalid task class 'Padre::Document::LaTeX::Syntax' ...? |
| 13:15 |
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azawawi |
zenog: enjoy :) |
| 13:16 |
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* azawawi |
looks @ it |
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azawawi: hm. Does not die on Ubuntu. Problem is that the Task manager is not really saying a lot about what is going wrong. |
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azawawi: Sure you have installed v. 0.09? Because I thought I had fixed the 'Missing or invalid task class' problem. |
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oops forgot the slash |
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svn: r13651 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13651 |
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Hyppolit |
squeeze, not etch, what was I thinking ... |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.80 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001 |
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Is there a reason for share/style2/ to exist in the Padre source tree? The dir is empty. |
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Hyppolit |
#1099: Ctrl-Shift-T to get last closed tab (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1099 ] |
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hi Steffen |
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hi |
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hi user_2054 |
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svn: r13652 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13652 |
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Hyppolit |
[LaTeX plugin] try different PDF viewers |
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trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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El_Che |
lo |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13653 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13653 |
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Hyppolit |
[LaTeX plugin] rm debug output |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/ |
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hi El_Che |
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Thanks for posting the FOSDEM photos. Very nice. |
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El_Che |
how was the trip back |
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El_Che |
ha, np |
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The trip was fine, I used the time to hack on the LaTeX plugin, it now has working syntax checks, code completion, F5-for-PDF-creation ... modulo bugs, of course ;-) |
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El_Che |
nice |
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El_Che |
I have never seemed to find the time to get into latex |
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El_Che |
probably becasue at the time I had to write thesises I didn't had a lot of time :) |
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El_Che: In humanities it is also not so much more practical than desktop word processors. This is different if you have tons of formulae. |
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El_Che |
yes, sure, but the layout I have seen so far has been great |
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El_Che |
no way to get that result in ooo or msword |
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El_Che |
I had a friend layout my thesises in a all-night-long-marathon-before-print |
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El_Che |
:) |
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El_Che |
I think he used indesign |
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ah |
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El_Che |
must thesises look awful |
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El_Che |
for some publication I had to layout my article in some pretty strict ms word layout |
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El_Che |
brr |
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I need to go away from the computer. Too much today. |
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cu! |
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