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IRC log for #padre, 2011-02-09

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03:44 user_9708 How do I checkout a trunk version of padre?
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04:47 Hyppolit svn: r13654 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13654
04:47 Hyppolit Use ->current
04:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
05:00 Hyppolit svn: r13655 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13655
05:00 Hyppolit Moved code for the cursor memory feature from Padre::Document to Padre::Editor as the cursor is an artifact of the editor, not of the underlying document.
05:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:13 Hyppolit svn: r13656 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13656
05:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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06:05 szabgab Alias broke the tests again
06:07 Alias ook, just noticed
06:08 Alias typo
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06:12 Hyppolit svn: r13657 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13657
06:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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06:31 szabgab Alias: thanks for fixing it
06:35 Alias sorry for breaking it
07:11 Hyppolit svn: r13658 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13658
07:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:12 Hyppolit svn: r13659 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13659
07:12 Hyppolit Stuff
07:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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07:13 azawawi hi
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08:44 kaare I get this a lot:
08:44 kaare Can't locate object method "find" via package "Padre::Wx::Dialog::Find" at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 2956.
08:44 kaare I don't have time to investigate myself atm
08:44 Sewi Would you open a ticket on it?
08:45 kaare Ah, yeah, OK
08:48 Hyppolit #1100: Dies when hitting F3 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1100 ]
08:49 kaare Nice binary number there :-)
08:49 Sewi Maybe we should show all ticket numbers as binary :)
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09:42 Hyppolit #1100: Dies when hitting F3 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1100#comment:1 ]
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09:55 Alias_ Wow, who wrote the "This file doesn't have a .pm extention" feature
09:55 Alias_ It doesn't work even remotely at all
09:55 Alias_ It just stops you saving any perl script as "script"
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09:56 zenog hi
09:56 zenog padre trunk seems to be quite crashy today.
09:56 Alias_ You can't save text files without .txt
09:56 Alias_ Damn it
09:56 Alias_ It's impossible to write a CPAN "Changes" file in Padre 0.80
09:57 zenog DBD::SQLite::db do failed: constraint failed
09:57 zenog last_position_in_file.name may not be NULL at (eval 171) line 859.
09:57 Alias_ Probably me
09:57 Alias_ I'm doing some refactoring
09:57 zenog Alias_: The file-without-extension-thing is fixed in trunk
09:57 Alias_ ah
09:57 Alias_ Then we really need to do a release and get it out
09:57 zenog Alias_: great to see some movement ;-)
09:58 Alias_ It's not particularly ambitious refactoring
09:58 Alias_ Just nudging things towards greater purity in some APIs too important to be able to rewrite them completely
09:58 zenog Alias_: So then finish your refactoring, and then let's wait another day to see if there are more crashes, and then release it?
10:00 Alias_ Yeah, we need to
10:00 Alias_ Although I'd hoped, since I just triggered back-compatibility lockouts for a bunch of plugins, I'd have time to add some more stuff to make it worth it :)
10:03 zenog Alias_: If you want, you can also do some more changes ...
10:03 Alias_ Nah, I can't use Padre at the moment
10:03 Alias_ The file extension bug is supremely nasty
10:04 Hyppolit svn: r13660 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13660
10:04 Hyppolit fix #1100
10:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:04 Hyppolit #1100: Dies when hitting F3 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1100#comment:2 ]
10:05 Sewi What is that file extension bug?
10:05 Alias_ You can't save any file except with the mime-type-dictated extension
10:05 Alias_ "This is not a .txt extension continue?"
10:05 Alias_ You say yes, and it just asks a gain
10:05 Alias_ You say no, and rather than cancel it just asks again
10:06 Sewi no, this is fixed
10:06 Sewi waxhead fixed it some days ago
10:07 Alias_ It's not fixed in production
10:07 Alias_ Every single real user installing Padre is hitting it
10:08 Sewi #1095
10:08 Hyppolit #1095: Save file without extension (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1095#comment:3 ]
10:08 Sewi r13634
10:08 Hyppolit Changeset #13634 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13634
10:20 Hyppolit svn: r13661 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13661
10:20 Hyppolit no match: also give out search term
10:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:20 zenog &
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10:37 Alias_ zenog++ # For helping make me not the only committer :)
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12:09 zenog user_9708: You can see how to check out stuff from trunk here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Howto
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12:14 Hyppolit #398: PDL Plugin (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/398#comment:1 ]
12:28 zenog ah, I just saw that the changes really break some plugins ;-)
12:31 szabgab anyone with some scintilla fu here could look at the PHP plugin
12:31 szabgab and convince it to do a nicer highlighting?
12:31 szabgab it now puts underscore everywhere and thinks that it looks ok
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12:38 Sewi szabgab: It's a scintilla bug which has been fixed long ago. azawawi is working on switching Wx to a newer scintilla version which will also solve this problem.
12:39 szabgab Sewi: regarding PHP ?
12:40 Sewi PHP highlighting is done by scintilla
12:40 szabgab yes, I did not know that was also broken in the old scintilla
12:40 Sewi Upgrading the scintilla version will also fix PHP highlighting
12:40 szabgab I thought it was only our configuration
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12:43 Sewi s/o said that it is a scintilla problem but it might be also related to our usage of scintilla, don't know :-)
12:44 szabgab s/o ?  significant other?
12:44 Sewi someone
12:45 Sewi It has been long ago
12:46 szabgab ok
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13:52 szabgab Getty: I see you are involved in some Facebook coding?
13:53 szabgab what would you recommned if I want to access the chat capabilities of facebook?
13:54 Getty use the Facebook module as base
13:55 Getty it wraps you Facebook::Graph and WWW::Facebook::API (whatever one you need, you just need to install them also)
13:55 Getty but actually "Facebook" itself is not that easy to understand ;)
13:55 Getty you got 5 APIs and 2 different kind of "what you are"
13:55 Getty + the social plugins, which dont need any code at all
13:57 Getty so the point on facebook is 90% "what" and only 10% "how"
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14:02 Getty szabgab: what you want todo yourself again now? ;) You should definitly start thinking about exclude stuff ;) I still dont get why you didnt used the chance to involve ingo when you met him
14:13 szabgab Getty: I am not sure what I was supposed to do with Ingo
14:13 szabgab or what did you think I should do
14:14 Getty lets say, he is 10< years online marketing experience and a texter, thought you had questions to him or at least construct some questionpath ;) whatever, what you wanna do with Facebook now?
14:18 szabgab get status of my friends online/offline
14:18 szabgab and be able to chat with them
14:19 szabgab I recall I talked to him in the pub but I am not sure exactly what did we talk about
14:19 Getty the gag on twitter/facebook is the mass on applications ready
14:19 Getty are you probably using Pidgin?
14:19 szabgab heh?
14:20 szabgab not
14:20 Getty cause with Pidgin you get anything easy going in one client
14:20 Getty i use facebook chat, twitter, and all messengers in pidgin
14:20 szabgab but I need to add it programmatically to a server based app
14:20 Getty ah ok
14:20 Getty then you are a BIT fucked
14:20 szabgab ty
14:21 Getty but its not that hard i guess,  just never worked on it
14:21 Getty but you need the Facebook Chat then
14:21 Getty its theoretical just XMPP
14:21 Getty but... no idea what facebook violated on it
14:21 szabgab so is that not part of your Facebook module?
14:21 Getty so my module you dont need at all
14:21 Getty not yet
14:21 Getty but when you tell me how you solved it, i will add a module for it
14:21 Getty i just never worked with the Facebook chat DIRECTLY so far
14:22 szabgab have you tried to contact Facebook so they pay you to implement the whole thing?
14:22 Getty ?!?!?!??!?!?!?
14:22 Getty "Hey dudes, you are so stupid, here is a real SDK for your system, better give this to your users"?
14:22 Getty ;)
14:23 szabgab They have SDKs in several languages http://developers.facebook.com/opensource/
14:23 Getty yeah
14:23 szabgab not yet in Perl
14:23 Getty done by internal guys
14:23 Getty they will not do one in perl
14:23 Getty cause they are barely able to handle the one existing
14:23 szabgab why not?
14:23 Getty you ever saw into the Code of them at all?
14:23 Getty their SDKs are 50% of what we offer already
14:23 Getty they are more like "little helpers"
14:23 Getty but our SDK is really full fledge
14:24 Getty or lets say, we try to move in that direction
14:24 szabgab so when will you finish the chat related SDK ?
14:24 zenog Getty: even better arguments for you to ask them for funding ;-)
14:24 Getty szabgab: when i need it or you solved it and tell me ;) but i guess its only XMPP
14:24 Getty zenog: mmmhhhh somehow you are right
14:24 szabgab hmm getty said:  "our solution is much better than theirs but we are moving in that direction"
14:25 Getty zenog: i should ask them if they want to fund the perl sdk, but actually i must give 50% then to Facebook::Graph developer ;)
14:25 Getty but i dont think they do
14:25 Getty definitly
14:25 Getty Facebook didnt even react on "Hey! i got a like-worm and now everybody gets this like-worm who is browsing my likes"
14:25 Getty and this i put on 10< ways to contact facebook
14:26 szabgab I love your level of trust in them :)
14:26 Getty they have around 5000 bugs unanswered in the bugtracker
14:26 Getty i know myself already more bugs then i know features.... 8-)
14:26 szabgab :)
14:26 Getty most parts of the page works just "from time to time"
14:26 Getty for eaxmple adding new applications sometimes doesnt work for half a day or so
14:26 Getty but they never announce this outage on their "status" (as in: i think they dont detect it at all)
14:27 Getty the biggest problem: get in contact with the right guys
14:27 Getty where should the email go to?!
14:27 szabgab btw when will you write "Perlgin"?
14:27 Getty Perl-gin ?! ;)
14:27 szabgab like Pidgin just  in Perl
14:28 Getty ah!
14:28 Getty you know i'm not that GUI guy
14:28 Getty attach me a GUI guy and you get it
14:28 Getty but actually.....
14:28 szabgab using Curses::Toolkit
14:28 Getty pidgin is our friend
14:28 Getty its good software, very open, can do perl inside
14:28 Getty so you can do perl scripts for it, and all
14:29 Getty so its like that i strongly suggest using pidgin
14:29 szabgab could you get a single pdigin instance handle multiple users?
14:29 Getty yes
14:29 Getty it can handle anything
14:29 Getty unlimited twitter, unlimited facebook, unlimited messengers
14:29 Getty and you get in the end ONE friendlist
14:29 szabgab so I can log in to facebook as several users at the same time and chat as them?
14:29 Getty and there you can then hide people even if they are online and so shit
14:29 Getty yes
14:29 Getty or wait...
14:29 Getty gimme 2 sec.
14:29 szabgab 1
14:29 szabgab 2
14:30 szabgab *ring*
14:30 Getty it SHOULD work
14:30 Getty the problem is i cant put my hand into fire for the facebook plugin if i didnt tested it myself
14:30 Getty but pidgin is not blocking the facebook plugin todo so
14:30 szabgab let me check that one then
14:30 Getty its really worth it
14:30 Getty there is just one problem with it, that its not the most stable software you ever saw, but its definitly more stable then padre so you shouldnt have a problem ;)
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14:31 Getty (also that depends on the modules you use, i use anything it offers)
14:32 zenog Getty: Did I understand correctly that one can script Pidgin in Perl?
14:32 * szabgab is installing pidgin
14:32 Getty yes
14:32 zenog *nice*
14:32 Getty yes
14:32 Getty i never used it so far
14:32 Getty didnt wanted to start the huge "time-waste" ;)
14:32 Getty but its possible
14:32 Getty i dont know about the details, i just know it
14:32 szabgab Getty: btw I have submitted 3 talks to LinuxTag Berlin
14:33 Getty but no feedback so far?
14:33 zenog Didn't know that. I was looking at a Twitter/Identi.ca client and everyone mentioned Gwibber. Noone even mentioned Pidgin which is already installed on my computer ;-)
14:33 szabgab will you also submit talks?
14:33 Getty zenog: pidgin twitter plugin is not the bomb, but its ok
14:33 Getty szabgab: hey, i just have a "contract" for chemnitz ;)
14:33 Getty i dont think that i go berlin
14:33 szabgab Getty: the dead line was yesterday so I think you can still submit talks
14:33 Getty hehe no no
14:34 Getty i dont have anything on plan for that direction
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14:34 Getty perl talks outside of perl are another level i  must prepare anyway
14:34 Getty zenog: if you play around with the perl stuff, please generate some CPAN modules on the way ;)
14:35 zenog Getty: let's see, I have to many ideas right now and a PhD thesis to write ... ;-)
14:35 Getty zenog: so lots of time
14:35 szabgab zenog: btw you too
14:35 zenog s/have to/have too/
14:35 szabgab regarding LinuxTag Berlin
14:35 Getty gabor is again stressing everybody ;)
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14:36 szabgab I am just extending my personal invitations
14:36 Getty szabgab: you know that i have to build up a PM group beside (next to the real work still going on, making perl products)
14:36 szabgab have you made a Perl product?
14:36 Getty i'm doing more and more App::'s and i did already productive stuff in perl
14:37 Getty soon i open some services, all perl
14:37 Getty perl is my life
14:37 zenog szabgab: Don't know ... May not a good time for me.
14:37 Getty zenog: DO IT
14:37 Getty ;)
14:37 Getty lol
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14:38 zenog hehe
14:39 szabgab Getty: so I installed pidgin and tried to add my facebook credentials
14:39 szabgab how can I know if it worked?
14:39 Getty you did installed the facebook plugin already?
14:40 szabgab oh, no
14:40 Getty if you have them in, you should get automatically all your friends added from facebook
14:40 Getty how you added the credentials?!?!?!
14:40 szabgab xmpp
14:40 Getty you cant use XMPP directly
14:40 Getty thats why i said you are fuck if you want to implement serverside
14:40 Getty (cause there is no perl module done for this)
14:40 Getty it is somehow XMPP, but i dont know the details
14:41 Getty could be that you just need to use a specific username/server and its all easy going
14:41 Getty i dont know
14:41 szabgab so how do I install the client?
14:41 Getty the facebook plugin
14:41 Getty just install the facebook plugin
14:41 Getty then you can add a facebook account
14:41 szabgab yes the plugin
14:41 szabgab where is it?
14:41 Getty ... must i google this for you?
14:41 Getty its really the first hit ;) on the right words ;)
14:43 szabgab Getty: http://tinyurl.com/dccyy5
14:43 Getty i wanted to send this to you ;)
14:43 Getty but i thought i cant be that mean ;)
14:43 Getty you know, i'm a nice guy
14:44 szabgab why is that not on pidginpan?
14:44 szabgab or pidgpan?
14:44 Getty LOL
15:00 szabgab I unizpped the stupid tar file and restareted pdigin but I still have no clue how to use the Facebook plugin
15:01 szabgab not how would I know if it recognized it or not
15:03 szabgab maybe reading the how to install?
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15:14 Getty szabgab: you should be able to add a facebook account, if the plugin is in proper place and activated
15:15 szabgab apparently it is not
15:15 Getty learn how to handle pidgin ;) lol its just yet another half-crappy open source software
15:15 szabgab I am just reading the how to install
15:15 Getty i cant give you hints i dont use it on linux
15:15 Getty on windows its click => installed => works
15:15 szabgab we know windows i better :)
15:15 Getty not better
15:16 Getty just less stressful if you are just a user
15:16 szabgab it clicks
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21:11 El_Che lo
21:15 El_Che chromatic seems to be playing a kind of "agent provocateur" to rock p5p to get enhancements in p5. nice
21:21 Steffen no comment
21:22 El_Che ok, wether I am talking nonsense or in 5 minutes special forces will ring my bell and abduct me
21:22 El_Che :)
21:22 Steffen :P
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