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IRC log for #padre, 2011-02-13

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06:15 szabgab good morning
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07:28 fenderson hi
07:28 szabgab hi fenderson
07:30 fenderson i didnt understand why i have to download trunk..
07:30 fenderson what is it for?
07:30 szabgab oh
07:30 szabgab which version of Padre do you have now?
07:31 fenderson wait let me check
07:35 szabgab fenderson: try help/about
07:37 fenderson i cant find where is padre
07:38 szabgab you cant run padre?
07:39 szabgab what if you type   padre     on the command line?
07:40 fenderson Could not copy the My plug-in (/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre/Plugin/My.pm) to /home/azornik/.local/share/.pad​re/plugins/Padre/Plugin/My.pm: Permission denied at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre.pm line 148 Perl exited with active threads: 1 running and unjoined 0 finished and unjoined 0 running and detached
07:43 szabgab permission issues?
07:44 fenderson no
07:44 szabgab is your user the owner of ~/.local and the subdirs?
07:45 szabgab do you have write permission there?
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07:45 fenderson ?
07:45 fenderson i'm in the main user, adminsstrator
07:45 fenderson yea
07:45 szabgab you are using ubuntu, right?
07:45 szabgab so type    whoami
07:45 fenderson yes
07:46 fenderson it wrote my computer's name
07:46 szabgab isdid it say azornik ?
07:46 fenderson yes
07:47 szabgab and you logged in az user azornik?
07:47 fenderson yea
07:47 szabgab does the file /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre/Plugin/My.pm exist?
07:47 fenderson yea
07:48 szabgab so remove     ~/.local/share/.padre
07:51 fenderson rm: cannot remove `/home/azornik/.local/share/.padre': Is a directory
07:52 szabgab so use rm -rf
07:53 fenderson i did
07:53 fenderson right now
07:54 fenderson and nothing, no msg
07:55 fenderson rm: cannot remove `/home/azornik/.local/share/.padre/config.db': Permission denied rm: cannot remove `/home/azornik/.local/share/.​padre/plugins/Padre/Plugin': Permission denied
07:55 szabgab there you go
07:55 szabgab it is probably owned by some other user, maybe root
07:55 fenderson so what do i do?
07:58 szabgab first check who owns the file
07:58 szabgab and then remove it using     sudo  rm -rf /home/azornik/.local/share/.padre/
08:00 fenderson how do i check
08:02 szabgab check what?
08:03 fenderson how do i check who owns the file?
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08:08 szabgab fenderson: ls -l
08:08 szabgab though I am quite sure you could find some information about this by searching Google
08:09 szabgab http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/lin​ux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html
08:12 fenderson first i dont get it
08:12 fenderson ls shows me the files and folders in the folder i'm in
08:12 fenderson and about the link, i never knew there are so much permissions
08:14 szabgab well, there is some learning curve involved in using linux
08:14 szabgab ls -l /home/azornik/.local/share/.padre/
08:15 szabgab but you might also want to read up a bit on using linux
08:15 fenderson thats what i did
08:15 fenderson and i am gonna read about that,
08:16 szabgab ls with a path shows the files in that directory   -l gives more details
08:16 szabgab including the owner of the file and the permissions
08:17 fenderson ohh it did
08:18 fenderson -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25600 2011-02-10 16:04 config.db drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 2011-02-10 16:04 plugins
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08:41 szabgab fenderson: so you can see it is owned by root
08:42 szabgab it could have been some Padre issue or you might have launched it as root earlier (maybe via sudo)
08:42 szabgab let's get rid of that directory and its content and launch padre again
08:51 fenderson done
08:58 szabgab so back to our original question, which version of Padre do you have?
08:59 fenderson now no padre
08:59 fenderson i removed it
09:00 szabgab you removed Padre?
09:00 fenderson w8
09:00 fenderson no
09:00 fenderson i have padre, i didnt understand why i removed the other directory...
09:01 fenderson and my padre is 0.8
09:01 szabgab that is the configuration directory of padre that is created by padre
09:01 szabgab but for some reason it was owned by root so padre could not launch
09:01 szabgab 0.80 you mean?
09:01 fenderson yes
09:01 szabgab ok, so back to traunk
09:01 szabgab trunk
09:02 szabgab when we are developing padre we use svn and in svn we use the trunk driectory
09:03 szabgab so in order to use the latest version of Padre  that is being developed and to help us catch issues beofre the release you also need to use padre from trunk
09:03 szabgab svn?
09:03 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/DownloadRepository and also http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/ and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser
09:03 szabgab go to you home dir    adn type
09:03 szabgab svn co http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/  padre
09:03 szabgab that will check out the trunk of padre in ~/padre
09:05 fenderson The program 'svn' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install subversion
09:05 fenderson i have to install it first right?
09:05 fenderson so 1sec
09:10 szabgab fenderson: how do you install it?
09:10 szabgab I mean svn?
09:14 fenderson apt-get
09:15 szabgab ok
09:16 El_Che lo
09:17 szabgab El_Che: gm
09:18 El_Che if the conversation is about padre svn: http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/build​-padre-svn-easily-with-perlbrew-and-cpanm/
09:18 El_Che if not, sorry for the spam :)
09:19 szabgab not really
09:19 El_Che ok, sorry for the spam :)
09:19 szabgab don't worry
09:21 fenderson gabor
09:21 fenderson can i call you for a second?
09:30 szabgab sure
09:30 szabgab I think the socialtext wiki will drive me crazy
09:30 szabgab or I'll rewrite it in Perl 6
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10:26 fenderson hey
10:26 fenderson the command you sent me just finished it work
10:27 szabgab so close padre, if you have it running
10:27 szabgab then cd padre/Padre
10:27 szabgab then run    perl Makefile.PL
10:27 szabgab make
10:27 szabgab and launch padre using      perl dev
10:28 szabgab it should now indicate on the title of the window something like @r13683
10:28 Hyppolit Changeset #13683 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13683
10:30 fenderson i'm downloading inc::Module::Install so it will take a while
10:31 szabgab fenderson: how do you do that?
10:32 fenderson sudo cpanm
10:32 fenderson didnt work
10:32 szabgab ok, though I'd probably do it using local::lib first
10:32 szabgab and not with sudo
10:33 szabgab so first install local::lib by following the bootstraping instructions:  http://search.cpan.org/dist/local-lib/lib​/local/lib.pm#The_bootstrapping_technique
10:33 szabgab and thn you can install it without sudo
10:35 rindolf Hi all.
10:36 rindolf Hi szabgab
10:36 rindolf Hi fenderson
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10:39 fenderson didnt work
10:40 szabgab fenderson: could you provide some more details?
10:40 szabgab you can use this paste bot: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/  to show us the output on your console
10:41 fenderson mm
10:41 fenderson i have to download that module
10:41 fenderson and i cant, and i dont know why, everytime i search it on cpan
10:41 fenderson it fails
10:41 szabgab slowly
10:42 szabgab which module did you download and where from?
10:42 fenderson i downloaded what you said
10:42 fenderson ! Finding inc::Module::install on cpanmetadb failed. ! Finding inc::Module::install on search.cpan.org failed. ! Finding inc::Module::install on mirror http://search.cpan.org/CPAN failed. ! Couldn't find module or a distribution inc::Module::install azornik@azornik:~/padre/Padre$ cpanm inc::Module::install
10:43 szabgab have you followed the instructions to install local::lib ?
10:43 fenderson i have installed local::lib
10:44 szabgab did you also execute the last command changing .bashrc?
10:44 fenderson i dont think
10:44 fenderson i did
10:44 szabgab and have you reloaded .bashrc?
10:45 szabgab Getty: I think the instructions to bootstrap local::lib could also mention how to reload .bashrc
10:49 El_Che . ~/.bashrc
10:50 El_Che that will do the job without relogging in
10:52 fenderson ok i dont know what it is i have to read about it
10:52 fenderson and i have to go cort house now, so i'll do it when i'll come back
10:52 fenderson ok?
10:52 Hyppolit ok is the output of Test::Simple
10:57 szabgab fenderson: sure
10:57 szabgab cu later
10:58 szabgab sorry to the poruguese
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12:18 Hyppolit svn: r13684 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13684
12:18 Hyppolit test all the config elements if they have entries in the Preferences window and list the ones that don't have
12:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
12:22 Hyppolit #1103: Jump to the beginning and the end of the current subroutine (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1103 ]
12:23 Hyppolit #1104: Show the name of the current subroutine in the status bar (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1104 ]
12:27 Hyppolit #1105: opening non-existing file - strange warning message (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1105 ]
12:29 Hyppolit #1106: Perl/Create Projects Tagfile cause Padre to freeze (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1106 ]
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12:41 Hyppolit #1107: Saving perl file without extension forgets its mime-type (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1107 ]
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13:16 Getty szabgab: true, but on the other hand i cant guarantee that other sideeffects are happening with his distribution
13:17 Getty AFAIR we have a part explaining how to inject it without .bashrc to have it direct, but if not i add it
13:17 Getty but reloading .bashrc is NOT userfriendly, we are not all distributions
13:48 Hyppolit svn: r13685 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13685
13:48 Hyppolit merge Padre-t1102 - Remove menu item Perl/Automatic Bracket Completion #1102
13:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:49 Hyppolit svn: r13686 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13686
13:49 Hyppolit removing branch: Padre-t1102
13:49 Hyppolit branches/
13:49 Hyppolit #1102: Remove menu item Perl/Automatic Bracket Completion (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1102#comment:3 ]
13:51 Hyppolit svn: r13687 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13687
13:51 Hyppolit add experimental branching and merging svn front-end for Padre development
13:51 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
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14:04 szabgab Getty: so the 4. item is to change .bashrc and then it should work ?
14:04 szabgab no it does not, so IMHO some kind of an explanation is needed there
14:04 Getty mh?
14:04 szabgab either reload .bashrc or close the terminal and open it
14:04 Getty yes? right?
14:05 Getty btw your chapter about how to load from source is in btw
14:05 Getty so..... you are actually reading the documentation, or? ;)
14:05 szabgab let me try to find where is that mentioned
14:06 szabgab oh, I missed that
14:06 Getty but i will add a block about telling the people to not do it and instead to relogin
14:06 Getty i anyway need to tune the doc
14:07 szabgab Getty: my problem is with most of docs is that it has to much information
14:08 szabgab for someone who just wants things to work but don't want (at this point) or cannot understand
14:08 Getty yeah but local::lib is good
14:08 Getty i worked on the documentation farly long time
14:08 Getty actually i work ONLY on the documentation of local::lib
14:08 Getty the problem with local::lib is that it involves knowledge of the ENV
14:08 Getty thats why i suggest perlbrew these days more often
14:08 Getty cause it handles that crap for the user
14:09 szabgab yeah, so Getty++
14:14 szabgab kaare: pls check #1100 and close it if it works now
14:14 Hyppolit #1100: Dies when hitting F3 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1100#comment:2 ]
14:17 Hyppolit #1094: Find in file crashes Padre trunk (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1094#comment:1 ]
15:02 fenderson hey gabor
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15:51 fenderson hi
16:03 Hyppolit svn: r13688 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13688
16:03 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
16:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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16:44 Hyppolit #1094: Find in file crashes Padre trunk (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1094#comment:2 ]
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19:20 szabgab fenderson: hi
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