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00:34 Hyppolit svn: r13748 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13748
00:34 Hyppolit Updating Turkish translation
00:34 Hyppolit branches/release-0.82/share/locale/
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03:12 itcharlie HI
03:15 Alias_ hi
03:18 itcharlie has anyone tested release branch on windows?
03:18 Alias_ I'm running it as my primary Padre
03:18 itcharlie Ok
03:19 Alias_ Padre gets pretty good attention on Windows and Linux, as the majority of the devs are on those two
03:19 Alias_ It's Mac that is our weakest link
03:19 itcharlie Good to know
03:27 Alias_ oooo, well THIS is interesting
03:38 itcharlie sip
03:38 itcharlie sup*
03:38 itcharlie did you find a bug?
03:39 Alias_ The SVN plugin has uncovered some interesting issues
03:39 Alias_ Padre system calls are flipping out a bit
03:39 Alias_ Because my Cwd::cwd is //syd1nas02/home$/Adam.Kennedy
03:40 itcharlie is it because of the $ symbol?
03:45 Alias_ It's because Windows 7 cmd.exe doesn't support unc current working directories
03:48 itcharlie oh cwd is deprecated for windows 7
03:49 itcharlie opps sorry jumped the gun on this
03:49 itcharlie May be informative for others:
03:49 itcharlie http://thoughtfulcode.wordpress.com/2​010/08/26/microsoft-should-formally-d​eprecate-cwd-from-loadlibrary-search/
03:50 * Alias_ nods
03:50 Alias_ Problem is SVN plugin uses SVN::Class, which is the one doing the call that ends up going through cmd.exe
03:50 Alias_ It's not directly under our control
03:56 itcharlie what is the SVN plugin meant to do ?  checkout svn repos and commit changes?
03:57 Alias_ General SVN operations, yes
03:57 Alias_ In a very very basic way, not integrated into the directory manager or anything
04:00 itcharlie ok
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05:05 Hyppolit svn: r13749 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13749
05:05 Hyppolit Cleaning up the plugin, modernising the way it calls Padre modules, removed excessive dependencies, correcting it's declared depednencies, fixing the unload so it removes all classes correctly, fixing the test script to load all parts of the module, shrunk the code size and removed all the commented out debug stuff
05:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SVN/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SVN/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SVN/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SVN/t/
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06:13 Alias_ Wow, on Windows 7 Padre does a disturbingly good job of working with projects on UNC network paths
06:17 Hyppolit svn: r13750 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13750
06:17 Hyppolit Lets safe the null project paths after all, since they are otherwise ignored in duplicate checking
06:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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06:52 Alias_ SVN::Class needs to go
06:53 Alias_ For something that just generates simple command line calls and parses some output, it doesn't REALLY need to cost 14meg to load
06:55 Hyppolit svn: r13751 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13751
06:55 Hyppolit Don't cache during a file search, but do cache on an explicit search
06:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
06:58 Hyppolit svn: r13752 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13752
06:58 Hyppolit Added a few more subtle cases to the project files we want to skip
06:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/
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09:46 Hyppolit #1125: [Catalyst plugin] warning when closing Catalyst panel (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1125 ]
09:47 waxhead really???
09:47 waxhead back to command line passing and parsing???
09:49 zenog waxhead: SVN::Class uses the svn command line tool, afaik.
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09:53 Hyppolit #967: Reset focus (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/967#comment:5 ]
10:02 waxhead zenog, it does, and it makes coding at our level easier
10:03 waxhead that's why I picked it.. it hides the crappy commandline parsing and passing
10:03 waxhead Mind you 14 meg is a bit much to ask
10:04 zenog otoh, it is not a core plugin, isn't it?
10:05 zenog If it can be done using less memory, maybe someone should fix SVN::Class
10:05 zenog Totally different topic: Has someone thought about turning the Perl 5 or Perl 6 REPLs into an Android application?
10:06 zenog There is one Clojure REPL app: https://market.android.com/deta​ils?id=com.sattvik.clojure_repl
10:06 waxhead no not a core pluging
10:06 waxhead plugin even
10:13 Hyppolit #1126: TODO list: does not immediatly show items (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1126 ]
10:13 * zenog is much faster at finding and reporting bugs than at fixing them ...
10:13 Sewi :)
10:16 waxhead how come the Makefile.PL in Padre-Plugin-SVN now has a is_padre_plugin ?
10:16 waxhead it breaks perl Makefile.PL
10:17 waxhead has everyone seen the new padre site?
10:17 daxim no, what site?
10:17 waxhead I check it out for the first time this morning after rindolf mentioned it looked good
10:17 waxhead padre.perlide.org
10:18 daxim CSS tweaked?  any big difference?
10:18 waxhead someone has done some very nice work with the css...
10:18 waxhead daxim, it's not big, but it's very nice
10:19 waxhead some fixing up the pages to make more sense
10:20 zenog I guess that was me a while ago. I only tweaked the CSS a bit to get rid of the not-so-optimal colors.
10:21 zenog And because I am not a confident designer/graphics guy, I decided to use less colors to not screw it up ;-)
10:21 zenog And I removed some redundancies, nothing new added.
10:21 zenog But of course the pages themselves would also need some improvement.
10:21 zenog It is just a time problem ...
10:23 Hyppolit #967: Reset focus (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/967#comment:6 ]
10:28 waxhead Hm... outline doesn't work
10:29 waxhead zenog, well I have to say, the small changes really look good
10:31 zenog waxhead: Thank you.
10:32 zenog waxhead: Outline works for me.
10:32 zenog waxhead: But I can stress-test it a bit more.
10:33 waxhead I'm not running the latest from trunk..
10:33 zenog waxhead: CSS changes have been there for about 3 months ... nobody noticed ;-)
10:33 waxhead just updating now
10:33 zenog ah okay
10:33 waxhead yeah, I'm guilty of that as I just go straight to trac
10:33 waxhead :(
10:36 waxhead OH.. that's interesting... when it started up, outline was turned on, but didn't update
10:36 waxhead turning it off and on again worked
11:32 waxhead hey zenog, you there?
11:39 zenog waxhead: back again
11:39 zenog What's up?
11:40 waxhead I was going to ask you to make a simple change to something in the repo...
11:40 zenog waxhead: Go ahead; I am currently on trunk, not on the release branch.
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11:43 waxhead that's OK.. I'll work something out.. just testing the SVN plugin for updates
11:54 waxhead Alias_, latest trunk: Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /home/pete/Programming/Perl/Padre/t​runk/Padre/lib/Padre/TaskManager.pm line 346.
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13:05 Hyppolit #1127: Function list empty when enabled at startup + file is opened (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1127 ]
13:29 fenderson hi :)
13:29 Sewi hi
13:29 fenderson can you tell me what areas they think should be tested ?
13:29 fenderson you think*
13:30 fenderson hi Sewi
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13:32 fenderson ?
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13:39 Hyppolit svn: r13753 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13753
13:39 Hyppolit XXX -> TODO
13:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:39 zenog fenderson: What do you mean? For the next Padre release?
13:40 zenog fenderson: Any function that is important for your own daily use.
13:40 fenderson no
13:40 fenderson i want to donate to padre
13:41 fenderson by doing tests
13:41 fenderson for now
13:41 fenderson so i want to know what parts need to be tested, so i'll start working on them
13:44 zenog Do you mean writing automated tests?
13:46 fenderson yea
13:50 zenog Ah okay. There I am not so sure about the general coverage. I haven't spent much time on Padre's test suite.
13:51 El_Che fenderson: automated ui testing is lacking
13:51 El_Che but test on what ever domain is always welcome
13:52 fenderson i know how to write tests
13:52 fenderson El_Che:  its not my first time
13:52 El_Che we know how to run them :)
13:52 fenderson XD
13:52 El_Che not implying that
13:52 El_Che just saying that tests are *always* welcome
13:53 fenderson ohh ok, :) but i didnt get for what part can i write tests for?
13:53 fenderson ..*
13:54 El_Che we recently had a a discussion on the mailinglist about UI tests and some pointers (like the perl based ui-testing done by mozilla)
13:54 El_Che I don't know how feasable that is
13:58 zenog fenderson: For UI tests, there is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
13:59 Hyppolit svn: r13754 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13754
13:59 Hyppolit function/TODO list: Esc should also work when focus on list, not on search field
13:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:01 zenog Does anyone know what "# Grab the kill focus to prevent deselection" in the function and TODO lists should accomplish?
14:01 zenog I checked whether prevents deselection of text in the editor window, or the deselection of list items, and it does not do both.
14:01 zenog So my guess this event handler is just dead code.
14:01 zenog If that is the case, I would rather remove it.
14:06 fenderson El_Che:  thanks :)
14:07 fenderson but i read that allready
14:08 Hyppolit svn: r13755 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13755
14:08 Hyppolit function/TODO list: remove unnecessary EVT_KILL_FOCUS handler
14:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:09 zenog I removed the EVT_KILL_FOCUS handler, as it does not seem to serve any purpose. If I am wrong here, please tell me the reasons so we can document them.
14:09 szabgab fenderson: I actually meant for now creating manual tests
14:10 szabgab writing automated tests are quite diffcult for PAdre or at least we have not figured yet out how to do
14:10 szabgab of course if you know how to build those that would be nice
14:10 szabgab but I only meant to 1) follow the ionstructions on http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist and do those tests manually
14:11 szabgab and then to write a few more sets of such similar test-cases
14:12 szabgab zenog: have you removed the handler or commented out?
14:13 szabgab I see you removed them
14:13 szabgab How do you know they have no purpose?
14:17 fenderson szabgab: i've done 1 yesterday
14:18 fenderson and today i'm searching where can i write manual tests for parde
14:18 fenderson what parts in padre are not tested yet
14:19 fenderson i've done test number 1 , yesterday**
14:19 fenderson task****
14:25 szabgab that's good
14:26 szabgab fenderson: please go over all the test cases on that page and do all of them
14:26 szabgab if you find any problem please discuss it here, find if there is an open ticket with it or not
14:29 szabgab then add more use-cases to that page - you could go over the tickets in trac, pick a few and write test cases that check the issue, add a link from the page with the test-case to the ticket describing the issue
14:29 szabgab this would be of great help to Padre
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14:29 zenog szabgab: I tested what it claimed, and did not find any evidence that it did something useful. It is in trunk, so if there is something wrong with it, we have enough time to find out.
14:30 zenog szabgab: If this approach is too bold, please tell me and I will try to avoid such things in the future.
14:31 zenog szabgab: I already have defined UI checks for the function list, and will expand on them so that we can spot if something goes wrong there.
14:32 * Sewi still experiencing Padre freezes :(
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14:34 szabgab zenog: "what it claimed" ?
14:35 szabgab you mean what you wrote in the e-mail?
14:35 szabgab zenog: og the code that you removed
14:35 szabgab sorry I am a bit slow :)
14:36 szabgab so yes, I think the move is way too bold
14:36 szabgab someone put that code there, maybe it was something on a platform you have not tested?
14:38 szabgab so I would ask around, maybe open a ticket, after a while comment it out and add a comment why do you do that (link to the ticket maybe)
14:39 szabgab of course maybe the code is really totally useless there but IMHO we need to be very careful not to step on each others toes
14:43 Getty on the other side the other guy also should have made a test to approve this "fix" is in there
14:43 Getty so next testrun should brake on some arch then ;)
14:43 Getty of course, just in ideal case hehehehehehe
14:44 zenog szabgab: OK
14:45 zenog Getty: Thing is, it not obvious to me how one could easily create tests for such user interface things ...
14:45 Getty zenog: yeah, that is REALLY the massive hard part on testing
14:46 Getty zenog: i still dont do proper tests of my catalyst stuff cause i'm really unable todo so, or i feel like, cant even imagine the hazard around GUI testing
14:46 Getty but you should learn it
14:46 Getty cause the other part of your work, the code, is heavily damaged through not making them
14:46 Getty best is: force someone to make a documentation about it, or make one with him
14:46 Getty right a documentation about "how to test wx stuff" and find out what you need for this
14:47 Getty so you enlighten even more people
14:47 Getty ribasushi is preparing a complete talk about contributing to DBIx::Class including making tests for it
14:49 zenog Problem is, there are not so many people who could write documentation on that...
14:49 Getty then be a catalyst for them
14:49 Getty YOU write the documentation and ask them about it
14:49 Getty they will help you
14:49 zenog Getty: Other plans for writing other documentation first ;-)
14:50 Getty nah
14:50 Getty these documentations are the most important ones
14:50 Getty the ones about stuff that is really complex and hard
14:50 zenog Getty: Yes, but better Padre docs are even more important ...
14:50 Getty you could probably spare thousands of hours headache
14:50 Getty no!
14:50 Getty in this case?
14:50 Getty i guess szabgab would also prefer a documentation about how to make proper tests for wx instead of more padre documentation
14:51 Getty a documentated feature that fails is much more than a bummer
14:51 zenog I'd prefer to have 10 more people who are able to contribute easy to medium bug fixes to Padre to being able to read documentation on UI tests ...
14:52 Getty you can create them
14:52 Getty just start making this documentation
14:52 Getty you can do this
14:52 Getty i believe in you
14:52 zenog Getty: You too ;-)
14:52 Getty i can always excuse myself with my work on other sectors of perl :)
14:52 Getty i'm totally no GUI guy
14:53 zenog ... me neither ...
14:53 Getty i do primary POE, Moose and Catalyst, so the daemons, the meta and the beast
14:53 Getty you must be more GUI guy then me if you fix stuff on that level ;)
14:54 fenderson hi can somebody help me out
14:54 fenderson i'm following the orders in that page http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
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14:54 zenog fenderson: yes
14:54 fenderson i got to perl 5 scripts
14:54 fenderson number 12
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14:55 fenderson and its not closing part automatically
14:55 fenderson parts*
14:55 zenog fenderson: Did you perform step 11?
14:55 fenderson i think so i dont know
14:56 fenderson cuz there's not to do there
14:56 fenderson zenog:
14:57 fenderson yes i did
14:57 fenderson and nothing happends
14:57 fenderson happens**
14:58 fenderson and i didnt get select a suggestion and confirm it  (#10) also
14:58 Hyppolit #10: Project Management (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/10#comment:3 ]
14:58 zenog Then it's a bug.
14:59 Sewi fenderson: Which document type is shown on the status bar in the 3rd field from right?
14:59 zenog fenderson: no. 10 is incomplete: You need to hit Ctrl-Space to get suggestions.
15:00 zenog fenderson: fixed it in the wiki
15:00 fenderson zenog: now its working thanks alot!!!
15:00 fenderson :) :)
15:01 fenderson Hyppolit: what is that link you send me?
15:01 Hyppolit what was unknown
15:01 Hyppolit what is now that link you send me?
15:01 Sewi fenderson:  no!
15:01 Sewi it's not a wiki bug, you simply don't have the autocomplete feature enabled!
15:02 Sewi Which should be a step before those tests.
15:02 fenderson i did..
15:03 fenderson tools-> preferences, auto complete
15:04 szabgab Getty: of course it would be extraemly important if zenog (or anyone else) wrote proper instructions how to write automated tests for Padre, the small issues is that none of us has any clue on how to do that, which would be sort of a prereq for writing the documentation :)
15:04 szabgab fenderson go go!
15:05 fenderson lol XD thanks
15:05 fenderson ok
15:05 zenog fenderson++
15:05 fenderson its awesome
15:06 fenderson till now i worked with gedit
15:06 Getty szabgab: he can then find it out
15:06 Getty szabgab: thats part of writing the doc ;)
15:06 fenderson padre is awesome
15:06 Getty szabgab: but important here is that the test for something is more important then the documentation for something
15:06 szabgab Getty:  we are into OOP
15:06 szabgab we do delegation
15:06 szabgab so we have a test for the documentation but it is failing
15:07 szabgab as we don't have the documentation yet
15:07 szabgab or did I misunderstand you Getty ? :)
15:07 fenderson what is the Padre source
15:07 fenderson ?
15:07 Getty lol totally :)
15:07 fenderson TDD?
15:07 Getty i say, if you have X, its more important to have a test for X then the documentation for X. (theme 1)
15:07 szabgab Getty: not again
15:07 szabgab I know what you are saying
15:08 fenderson Getty: you mean TDD?
15:08 Getty fenderson: not directly
15:08 Getty fenderson: its just a value thing
15:08 Getty fenderson: could also fit with rapid development, there you do the code first, but then you make the test, and then you make the doc
15:08 szabgab 2.5 and we still have not managed to properly automate testing
15:08 Getty on TDD you do the test first then the code then the doc, both fit
15:09 szabgab but if the great Firefox could not do it then I am not *that* worried
15:09 Getty pffff
15:09 Getty remember firefox at cebit?
15:09 szabgab the sad fox?
15:09 Getty some perl dudes are making cooler marketing then some highly monetized mozilla-marketing machines?
15:09 szabgab "save the world" :)
15:10 fenderson what is the Padre source?line 1 on Perl 5 Modules
15:10 fenderson ?
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15:10 szabgab fenderson: I am not sure I understand your question
15:11 fenderson on that page http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
15:11 fenderson Perl 5 Modules
15:11 fenderson first order
15:11 fenderson open a large Perl module from the Padre source
15:11 fenderson what is Padre source?
15:12 zenog fenderson: Just the Padre source code.
15:12 zenog fenderson: it is in Padre/lib/
15:13 fenderson zenog: ok thanks
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15:13 fenderson i could not open Padre.pm
15:13 fenderson why is it?
15:17 fenderson btw, i'll be using Test::More right?
15:17 Hyppolit svn: r13756 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13756
15:17 Hyppolit simplify Padre::Wx::Outline::select_line_in_editor()
15:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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15:21 fenderson Hyppolit: the link was for me?
15:21 zenog fenderson: ignore Hyppolit, it is a bot ;-)
15:21 fenderson zenog: ok
15:22 fenderson anywhy tell me, do you why the Padre.pm file doesnt work
15:23 zenog fenderson: You cannot load it?
15:23 fenderson no
15:24 fenderson i'm on padre/Padre/lib
15:24 fenderson i wrote perl Padre.pm
15:24 Hyppolit svn: r13757 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13757
15:24 Hyppolit Padre::Wx::Main: rm TODO false positive; tidy
15:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:24 fenderson and nothing happens
15:24 zenog fenderson: you need to type padre Padre.pm
15:24 fenderson but pm stands for perl module. no?
15:25 fenderson ok i got it, i thought i should run it..
15:25 fenderson i had to run it*
15:26 fenderson i find it hard for me to understand parts of the orders there
15:26 fenderson like that one enable the function list
15:26 fenderson :"enable the function list "
15:27 fenderson how do i do it,?
15:30 zenog View -> Show Functions
15:32 zenog fenderson: again, I updated the page for clearer instructions ... your feedback is really valuable here!
15:32 fenderson btw who wrote the docu?
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15:32 zenog fenderson: which docu?
15:32 fenderson that page i mean
15:33 fenderson doc*
15:33 zenog zenog, Sewi, szabgab
15:33 fenderson cool :)
15:33 zenog http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/​PreReleaseChecklist?action=history
15:33 fenderson btw you realy helping me out thanks
15:33 zenog Feel free to add your own checks there ;-)
15:33 fenderson ok great
15:34 fenderson how do i enable the outline view
15:35 fenderson ohh wait
15:35 fenderson view->outline
15:35 fenderson :D
15:36 fenderson what is a project browser
15:36 fenderson the simple file->open?
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15:41 zenog fenderson: Also View->Show Project Browser
15:45 fenderson zenog: Check if the mime-type (3rd box on the status bar) says "Perl 5" , the 3rd box on the status bar on the buttom?
15:46 fenderson bottom*
15:48 zenog fenderson: yes
15:48 fenderson ok so i'm on the last 2 paragraphs
15:49 fenderson :)
15:49 fenderson thats a great doc
16:01 fenderson ok done
16:01 fenderson zenog: this is a great page, thanks for the help :)
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16:11 Hyppolit svn: r13758 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13758
16:11 Hyppolit Outline: further simplication, Padre::Wx::Editor::goto_pos_centerize already calls SetFocus
16:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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17:51 Hyppolit svn: r13759 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13759
17:51 Hyppolit fix #967: reset focus
17:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
17:52 zenog yay, that took a while ...
17:52 Hyppolit #967: Reset focus (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/967#comment:7 ]
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18:12 zenog I put my experiences into a blog post: http://zenoga.tumblr.com/post/332917261​2/fixing-an-easy-padre-bug-step-by-step
18:12 zenog Any kind of feedback (small corrections, more general things, ...) welcome.
18:12 zenog By experiences, I mean today's experiences while fixing #967
18:12 Hyppolit #967: Reset focus (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/967#comment:7 ]
18:12 Sewi Do we want a Facebook "Like It" button on padre.perlide.org?
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18:31 zenog Sewi: OK from my side, but better ask others, too.
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19:21 zenog &
19:22 El_Che zenog++
19:25 fenderson hi
19:25 fenderson hey El_Che
19:25 fenderson just talked to my brother
19:26 fenderson and he told me he knows you
19:27 El_Che really?
19:27 El_Che who's your brother?
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19:30 fenderson sawyer
19:30 fenderson x
19:30 El_Che ah :)
19:30 fenderson :(
19:30 fenderson :)
19:31 El_Che so perl runs in the family :)
19:31 fenderson yea :), we were born with computer in our hands
19:31 zenog fenderson: Say hello to Sawyer from zeno!
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19:31 zenog ... now I'm really gone &
19:31 fenderson ok lol XD i'll do
19:32 El_Che zenog: cool article
19:32 fenderson bye zenog and thanks for today
19:32 El_Che 'ill link it from my build padre from svn article
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20:02 fenderson hey someone's here?
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20:45 Sewi fenderson: yes
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21:15 fenderson just want be sure
21:15 fenderson manual test
21:15 fenderson is checking the interface?
21:16 fenderson if its working as it should?
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22:16 rindolf Hi all
22:16 rindolf Hi ispy_
22:32 ispy_ hey dude
22:32 rindolf ispy_: what's new?
22:33 rindolf ispy_: is the dreaded meeting over?
22:33 ispy_ yes... but the day continues :)
22:33 ispy_ how about you?
22:35 rindolf ispy_: fine.
22:36 rindolf ispy_: I realised something that bothered me - tomorrow's Hamakor meeting.
22:36 rindolf Which I'm not going to.
22:36 rindolf So it no longer bother me.
22:36 ispy_ :)
22:36 ispy_ haha
22:36 rindolf ispy_: and I switched from Kopete to Pidgin. What a relief.
22:36 ispy_ no kidding?
22:36 rindolf ispy_: yes.
22:37 rindolf ispy_: kopete takes a long time to start and sometimes freezes.
22:37 rindolf Pidgin works like a charm.
22:37 rindolf And it supports Unicode nicely.
22:37 ispy_ I switched to Kopete from Pidgin... but I think Pidgin might be better
22:37 rindolf And ICQ and AIM are less of an issue.
22:37 ispy_ Yeah pidgin is rock-solid
22:37 rindolf I switched to kopete a long time ago.
22:37 rindolf Because of encoding issues I think.
22:38 rindolf Kopete will let me set a different encoding for every account.
22:38 rindolf ispy_: worked on "The Enemy" English version today some more.
22:38 rindolf Reached the start of the last chapter.
22:39 rindolf Then I'll update it on the page.
22:39 rindolf Maybe I'll work on it now.
22:39 ispy_ I'm one handed typing again (Ares) so I'm slow on my responses...
22:40 rindolf ispy_: OK.
22:40 rindolf Wasn't Ares the Greek god of war?
22:40 ispy_ yes he was
22:41 ispy_ It's an homage to his inner warrior.
22:41 ispy_ That he doesn't knmow exists just yet ;)
22:41 ispy_ know*
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23:06 rindolf ispy_: ah.
23:07 rindolf ispy_: you appear to be a little obsessed with the military.
23:09 rindolf http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Th​eEnemy/The-Enemy-English-rev6.html - online now.
23:09 rindolf Still not in the navigation menu.
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