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IRC log for #padre, 2011-02-19

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05:35 Hyppolit svn: r13782 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13782
05:35 Hyppolit Rewrite SVN plugin to pass and parse commandline to reduce noise in #padre from Alias whinging about SVN::Class memory usage
05:35 Hyppolit branches/
05:38 Hyppolit svn: r13783 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13783
05:38 Hyppolit Remove all SVN::Class code.  Make fresh start, only svn info impliemented as I get my head around how this is going to hand together.
05:39 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
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06:21 Hyppolit svn: r13784 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13784
06:21 Hyppolit Dog fooding the plugin.  Commiting the changes to handle commits', yes that apostrophe is deliberate.
06:21 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
06:25 Hyppolit svn: r13785 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13785
06:25 Hyppolit Check if the whole project will commit.
06:25 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
06:37 Hyppolit svn: r13786 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13786
06:37 Hyppolit Added check to make sure file or project is under svn control.
06:37 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
06:50 Hyppolit svn: r13787 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13787
06:50 Hyppolit Added in proper handling of the commit message.
06:50 Hyppolit
06:50 Hyppolit Testing shows it works when you say you don't want to commit with an empty message.
06:50 Hyppolit
06:50 Hyppolit Next commit should be a commit with no comment.... hopefully.
06:50 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/
06:50 Hyppolit svn: r13788 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13788
06:50 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
06:54 waxhead Alias, you're on windows?  Did you want to check out the branch for SVN plugin to see if works OK?
06:54 waxhead Alias, it's very simple at the moment.. not much is supported..
06:54 waxhead Alias, and of course any comments regarding the implementation are appreciated...
07:20 Hyppolit svn: r13789 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13789
07:20 Hyppolit Added revert.
07:20 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
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07:42 Hyppolit svn: r13790 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13790
07:42 Hyppolit svn diff has been added.
07:42 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
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09:18 zenog moin
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09:31 zenog waxhead: Sorry for the release test failures, the ENV thing was my fault.
09:31 zenog hi meorero
09:34 zenog waxhead: You asked on the mailing list whether the test failures should be fixed in the release branch. My opinion on that is "yes"
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10:02 meorero hi
10:02 meorero I have started updating the Hebrew translation.
10:02 zenog meorero: Cool!
10:03 meorero Can I see the changes I make, before doing check-in?
10:04 zenog svn diff FILE
10:04 zenog "svn status" shows you all files you modified (in that directory)
10:04 meorero No... I mean - can I see it on Padre GUI?
10:05 zenog meorero: Sure, if the po file is in share/locale, you can just fire up the dev script, and have a look.
10:05 zenog meorero: Do you run Padre from the subversion repository, I guess?
10:06 meorero fire up the dev script? where is this script? I have Padre 0.80 installed, but also fetched th sources from svn to a seperratr dir
10:08 zenog OK, in that separate dir, there is a script called 'dev'.
10:08 zenog You should have modified the Hebrew .po file in SVN_DEV/share/locale
10:09 zenog SVN_DIR I mean, where SVN_DIR is the directory with the sources from svn, right?
10:09 zenog And in that directory, there is a script called 'dev' that you can start with "perl dev".
10:11 meorero I do not see it...
10:11 meorero [meorero@meorero-arch05 padre-trn]$ pwd
10:11 meorero /home/meorero/padre-trn
10:11 meorero [meorero@meorero-arch05 padre-trn]$ ls padre/ |grep -i dev
10:11 meorero and ... nothing
10:11 zenog meorero: What is in the directory?
10:11 zenog try ls padre/Padre/
10:12 meorero yes.. Now I see:
10:12 meorero [meorero@meorero-arch05 padre-trn]$ pwd
10:12 meorero /home/meorero/padre-trn
10:12 meorero [meorero@meorero-arch05 padre-trn]$ ls padre/ |grep -i dev
10:12 meorero i see there "dev"
10:13 zenog meorero: Change into that directory, and run dev
10:13 zenog meorero: You should have made your changes in that directory to see them.
10:13 zenog meorero: If you made them in .80, it is easy to merge them, however.
10:14 meorero I run " perl dev" and get error:
10:15 meorero You must now have run 'perl Makefile.PL' and 'make' in order to run dev.pl
10:16 meorero I understand that I need a second Padre, I mean - to build it, under the separate place. mmmm... I wasn't so clear at first.
10:16 meorero I mean - I did not know... Should I have a 2nd Padre for translation tests?
10:18 zenog meorero: It is that version of Padre that you should translate, not 0.80.
10:18 zenog meorero: Because this is where all strings that need translation are up-to-date.
10:18 meorero I know ... I'll try to build it and come later...
10:18 zenog meorero: But even if you have made all you changes in 0.80, you can easily merge them because I guess there were no changes since then.
10:19 zenog meorero: Should be easy: "perl Makefile.PL; make" and done ;-)
10:19 meorero oooo... my wife calls me for lunch. so bye for now and thanks. I'll come back :-)
10:20 zenog Enjoy!
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10:44 waxhead hey zenog
10:46 zenog hi waxhead. how are you?
10:46 waxhead not bad.. is the $ENV thing easy to fix?  critic is saying to make it local...
10:47 waxhead The other fail is also simple to fix...
10:47 waxhead but I though I caught something in the back logs that Alias fixed up some test failures...
10:48 Alias I fixed some xt stuff in trunk
10:48 Alias None of it was important
10:51 zenog Shall we port the fixes to the release branch? I have no idea whether e.g. CPAN Testers also run the release tests or if they are just entirely our problem ...
10:55 Alias I wouldn't
10:55 Alias Not unless you the release automation won't let you release otherwise
10:56 Alias Plus, the changes are kinda scattered into other trunk stuff
10:56 Alias I say you fix the xt stuff before you do the release branch or too bad
10:57 zenog Alias: OK
11:01 Hyppolit svn: r13791 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13791
11:01 Hyppolit Added svn log back.
11:01 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-ta​ke2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Wx/
11:02 waxhead OK
11:02 waxhead Alias, I'm re-writing the svn plugin
11:02 waxhead no SVN::Class
11:02 waxhead or Class:SVN
11:02 waxhead I'm uing Capture::Tiny though
11:05 Alias Excellent
11:05 Alias Consdier as you do so that we may want to run parts of it in background tasks
11:05 Alias In fact, we almost certainly do
11:11 Hyppolit svn: r13792 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13792
11:11 Hyppolit Added back "blame"
11:11 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/
11:12 waxhead Alias, any chance you want to switch to the branch and try it on windows?
11:12 waxhead for now, all I'm doing is getting it to where it was but with out the SVN::Class
11:13 waxhead pity it was so heavy...
11:14 waxhead OK.. that's me done for the night.
11:14 waxhead as to the release, apart from the small fails already listed, eveything else passes fine, I can build a release candidate off that and make it avaialble for testing... tomorrow some time now
11:17 zenog waxhead: What about the non-working server?
11:21 zenog waxhead: I cannot open files in an existing Padre, which is a step back from 0.80, I guess.
11:32 Alias Like, open files... at all?
11:36 zenog If I have a running Padre, I cannot use "padre file.txt" to open the file in the running Padre instead of a new one.
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11:47 gyu hi
11:48 gyu Is sy. awake, who knows sg. about the coordination of the next release? $)
11:50 zenog Hi gyu
11:51 gyu hi zenog
11:51 zenog waxhead is coordinating the next release (as always)
11:51 gyu I just wanted to ask, when the 0.82 will be released. szabgab told me, that it will be a major next release, so I try to get in sync with the hungarian translation...
11:52 gyu supposed, if I have enough time :-)
11:54 zenog gyu: If you want, you can work on the Hungarian translation, I guess.
11:56 gyu zenog: I can. I know it, I made the original translation, and I already have svn access, etc. so the question is rather, if I have enough time to get in sync or not
11:59 zenog My opinion is that you can start, and if we release earlier than you finish, you can do the rest for 0.84?
11:59 zenog All depends on how you have time/like to do it.
12:00 zenog gyerünk! hajra!
12:00 gyu copy that
12:01 waxhead gyu, you have time... how long do you need?
12:02 waxhead zenog, interesting issue with the padre....
12:02 waxhead zenog, how did you test that?
12:02 zenog waxhead: You have that too?
12:02 gyu waxhead: maybe 1-2 days. hungarian translation is... about 37% at this moment. I haven't time for that since... I don't even remember :-S
12:03 waxhead nope.. I just make && make test then run dev -a
12:03 waxhead gyu, that should be fine.. it' s been branched now for a while, two more days won't hurt. but I will have to get it out soon though
12:04 gyu ok
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12:04 waxhead gyu, are you on the padre-dev mailing list?
12:05 gyu waxhead: yes
12:05 waxhead gyu, then keep an eye out there for when I'm about to roll up a release candidate....
12:05 zenog waxhead: I get this when I start "padre":
12:05 zenog Use of uninitialized value within %variable in substitution iterator at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 1388.
12:05 zenog Failed to create server at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 968.
12:06 waxhead oh.. so yu've done a make install then?
12:06 waxhead I don't make install..
12:06 gyu waxhead: I read your mail, with subject "Call to arms" ;-)
12:07 waxhead just make && make test, then just dev to run it.. which I guess isn't really testing padre as it's stand alone release..
12:07 waxhead gyu, cool.. :)
12:07 waxhead gyu, sounds overly dramatic huh.. :)
12:07 waxhead s/it's/its/
12:08 waxhead to keep rindolf happy.. :)
12:08 waxhead wrong its...
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12:11 zenog garden &
12:11 waxhead zenog++
12:12 meorero hi again.
12:13 meorero zenog - you wrote me to do: perl Makefile.PL
12:13 waxhead hey meorero
12:13 meorero But I get error
12:13 meorero Can't locate inc/Module/Install.pm in @INC (@INC contains: privinc /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/share/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/core_perl /usr/share/perl5/core_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 8.
12:14 waxhead meorero, you need to instsall Module::Install
12:14 waxhead meorero, use the cpan client
12:14 meorero Oh ... thanks. I'm trying
12:20 meorero It works!  thank you!!! :-)
12:22 meorero This might be usefull in the instructions, not?  What do you think?
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13:36 zenog hm. Syntax checking works for the LaTeX plugin with the dev script, but not with the installed padre ...
13:36 zenog Any ideas why that could be?
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14:20 Hyppolit svn: r13793 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13793
14:20 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
14:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/share/locale/
14:28 Hyppolit svn: r13794 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13794
14:28 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
14:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/share/locale/
14:33 Hyppolit svn: r13795 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13795
14:33 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
14:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/share/locale/
14:45 szabgab zenog: waxhead what do you guys suggest regarding the messages.pot issue?
14:46 szabgab it seems that for some reason the file generated by waxhead is missing some strings but if zeno generates them then they are there (if I generate the file it is also missing some strings)
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15:01 zenog szabgab: I can generate messages.pot if necessary
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15:03 szabgab zenog:  yeah it would be good but I am not sure if we should update it on the release branch now or  not
15:04 szabgab and I think I'll set the relevant test to be TODO for now
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15:04 zenog Depends on what we need to have complete translations ...
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15:04 szabgab right now the translators are - I think - removing valid strings
15:04 szabgab because they disappear from the messages.pot
15:05 szabgab so I think it would be probably better if you generated a messages.pot on the branch
15:05 zenog will do
15:05 szabgab and we let the translaters know about the screwup
15:05 szabgab we should also try to investigaet further what is the issue
15:05 zenog szabgab: Shall I just commit it?
15:06 szabgab you know what, I think I'll send a message on the mailing list
15:06 szabgab and ask the people
15:09 szabgab waxhead: around?
15:10 zenog szabgab: I guess it is quite late in Australia.
15:12 szabgab I guess so too
15:13 szabgab I'll send a message and soon and if there is no response agains it by tomorrow morning for you then please regenereate the messages.pot and commit it to the release branch
15:16 zenog OK
15:17 szabgab zenog: so I understand you use Ubuntu 10.4
15:17 szabgab what is your locale?
15:27 zenog szabgab: German
15:28 zenog szabgab: szabgab plus I have this older xgettext, I guess, 0.17
15:30 szabgab yes, so I guess either of those make your messages.pot better
15:30 szabgab could you try to change your locale to English and see if that ruins it?
15:31 szabgab I'll also try to set it to some other locale and see how that works
15:35 zenog actually, how do I see it is broken?
15:36 zenog well, I'll just compare both outputs i guess
15:36 szabgab in t/15 there are a few strings
15:36 zenog both files are identical except for the creation time
15:36 szabgab check if all of them are present
15:37 szabgab then it is not the issue
15:37 zenog LANG=C LANGUAGE=C vs. de
15:37 zenog I guess it is the version.
15:37 zenog I have a Ubuntu 10.10, just will take some time to boot up ...
15:44 szabgab If I change the locale , strings are still missing
16:09 zenog Same problem for me on Ubuntu 10.10: ~1000 lines are missing from the file
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18:00 Hyppolit svn: r13796 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13796
18:00 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
18:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/share/locale/
18:12 Hyppolit svn: r13797 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13797
18:12 Hyppolit Removed header comments
18:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-XS/share/locale/
18:15 Hyppolit svn: r13798 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13798
18:15 Hyppolit Removed header comments
18:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-WxWidgets/share/locale/
18:21 Hyppolit svn: r13799 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13799
18:21 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
18:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-REPL/share/locale/
18:25 Hyppolit svn: r13800 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13800
18:25 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
18:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/share/locale/
18:29 El_Che 'lo, reading the backlog
18:57 Hyppolit svn: r13801 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13801
18:57 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
18:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYTProf/share/locale/
19:03 Hyppolit svn: r13802 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13802
19:03 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
19:03 Hyppolit branches/release-0.82/share/locale/
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19:06 Hyppolit svn: r13803 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13803
19:06 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
19:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/
19:08 Hyppolit svn: r13804 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13804
19:08 Hyppolit Removed header comments
19:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Kate/share/locale/
19:10 Hyppolit svn: r13805 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13805
19:10 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
19:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/share/locale/
19:14 static Hi All, struggling with this at the moment - updated to 0.80 on ubuntu, and have "DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database at (eval 171) line 201." For things like saving a script file.
19:14 static checked permissions on ~./padre
19:14 Hyppolit svn: r13806 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13806
19:14 Hyppolit Removed header comments
19:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Encrypt/share/locale/
19:15 static seems fine,.. any clues?
19:20 Hyppolit svn: r13807 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13807
19:20 Hyppolit Fixed encoding issue
19:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/share/locale/
19:21 szabgab hi static
19:22 szabgab static: what about ~/.config/padre ?
19:22 szabgab and of course the  config.* files inside?
19:25 static hi szabgab.. interesting, no /padre inside  ~/.config
19:26 static if I run padre with sudo the error goes away for saving a file, but not for enabling plugins
19:29 static instead:  DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database at (eval 171) line 36.
19:31 Hyppolit svn: r13808 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13808
19:31 Hyppolit Fixed some characters
19:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/share/locale/
19:32 szabgab static: I am not yet clear on which system it goes into ~/.config and which is ~/.padre
19:32 szabgab static: maybe there is another process still running?
19:33 Hyppolit svn: r13809 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13809
19:33 Hyppolit Fixed some characters
19:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/share/locale/
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19:47 meorero Hey. I made updates to the Hebrew translation.
19:47 meorero Now I want to check-in
19:48 meorero I do  svn ci he.po -m "Update to Hebrew translation"
19:49 meorero put pass, but get error: svn: access to '/padre/!svn/act/679a500a-a​22f-4b06-b55b-599753a16f64' forbidden
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19:58 meorero I see nobody here, well... OK, I've just posted a question in the maling list. bye for now.
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20:05 static :szabgab no doesn't seem to be the problem. when I look in the ~/.padre/config.db there are still the previous version numbers  0.63 in some of the tables contents, so the update to 0.80 has not appeared to change anything there.
20:06 szabgab static: strange
20:06 szabgab then I don't have cluses, it is not nfs, right?
20:07 static no, just desktop 64 bit 10.10 ubuntu
20:10 szabgab I have the same os
20:10 static szabgab: hmm  I installed trying to install DistZilla plugin, with a  sudo cpanm
20:11 static that then cascaded to updating padre to 0.80
20:15 szabgab interesting
20:15 szabgab and are you using local::lib?
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20:15 szabgab or are you installing in standard place or some private dir?
20:15 szabgab meorero: hi
20:16 szabgab meorero: I see you already have an account on our trac
20:18 meorero hi
20:18 meorero Yes - I have
20:18 meorero but I get an error
20:18 szabgab so you have the password as well?
20:18 meorero I mean - when doing checkin
20:18 szabgab you are just missing the commit bit
20:18 Hyppolit svn: r13810 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13810
20:18 Hyppolit give commit bit to meorero = Oren Maurer to update the Hebrew translation
20:18 Hyppolit subversion/
20:19 szabgab there you go
20:19 Hyppolit svn: r13811 | meorero++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13811
20:19 Hyppolit Update to Hebrew translation
20:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
20:20 meorero Ok... I think it's there.
20:21 meorero Here's what I got:
20:21 szabgab oh but why did you commit it to trunk?
20:21 meorero Where should I check-in it to?
20:22 szabgab well for now let's keep it there
20:22 szabgab but it should have gone to the release branch
20:22 szabgab let me think
20:23 meorero How do I do this? I mean - check in - to the release branch instead of trunk?
20:25 szabgab meorero: I think it will be ok if you commit this to the branch as well
20:25 szabgab so copy the .po file to some safe place
20:25 szabgab then switch to the release branch
20:25 szabgab copy the file from the safe place to its real location
20:25 szabgab and then commit
20:27 szabgab and we might also revert this change on trunk
20:27 szabgab so the merge from the release branch will be smooth
20:31 meorero I have a “normal” Padre, v. 0.80,  that I installed from cpan.
20:31 meorero I also have a separate one -   in a “decelopment” environment tat I checked-out from SVN. This is   where I made the translation.
20:31 meorero Now I need a third one?
20:33 meorero Don't I need do check-out and check in from the same place?
20:34 szabgab you need the one from svn but from a different place
20:34 szabgab but for now let me not confuse you
20:34 szabgab so just keep committing where you did earlier
20:34 szabgab and keep running svn up
20:35 szabgab just please send a message on Israel.pm writing that you have made changes to the Hebrew translation
20:35 szabgab and it is in trunk
20:36 szabgab and if you come to the meeting on wednesday I might show it in details
20:36 meorero The hebrew now is about 90% now, I'll keep doing  in cople of days.
20:36 meorero Where is it on Wednesday?
20:37 meorero is it TA.PM
20:38 szabgab yes, ta.pm
20:38 szabgab but please send an e-mail so others won't work on it
20:38 szabgab that would be very frustrating if several people worked and stepped on each others leg
20:39 szabgab or toes
20:39 szabgab or hebrew translations
20:43 meorero Just sent to Israel.pm
20:44 meorero bye for now...
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20:52 static szabgab:  just a normal installation, no specification for a particular local::lib, think I'm going to have to try  some form of re-installation.
20:53 szabgab so you use sudo to install,  right?
20:53 static yep
20:53 szabgab I personally have stopped doing that a while ago and install everything from CPAN to my home directory
20:53 szabgab using local::lib
20:53 szabgab that makes it much easier to wipe it clean
20:54 szabgab I am sorry I could not help you figuring out the issue
20:54 static yeh, I should follow that practice!
20:55 static ah no, thanks very much for discussion, very much appreciate padre
20:55 szabgab I still think the most likely problem is something being owned by root
20:55 szabgab but otoh who knows
20:55 szabgab computers are so undeterministic
21:05 static haha, yes, unforgivingly undeterministic
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22:22 waxhead have you tried padre --reset?
22:22 waxhead static, try padre --reset
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