Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-02-20

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05:57 itcharlie HI
05:58 itcharlie When I press F1 and search for Data::Dumper documentation it doesn't seem to work
05:58 itcharlie doesn't work for any module
05:58 itcharlie but if I do perldoc in a windows cmd it seems to work
06:00 itcharlie System Info:
06:00 itcharlie Perl
06:00 itcharlie 5.10.1
06:00 itcharlie Wx
06:00 itcharlie 0.9702
06:01 itcharlie wxWidgets
06:01 itcharlie 2.8.10
06:01 itcharlie Wx::Perl::ProcessStream
06:01 itcharlie 0.30
06:01 itcharlie PPI
06:01 itcharlie 1.213
06:01 waxhead_ itcharlie, use F2
06:01 waxhead_ it's better than the F1 impliementation... I htink it's something that we should use more now
06:02 waxhead_ which reminds me I'll put something in the dev list about it
06:02 itcharlie Works
06:02 itcharlie thanks
06:04 waxhead_ F1 broke a while back  I think...
06:04 waxhead_ is now known as waxhead
06:09 itcharlie maybe should take it off just because when you do a search it hangs
06:11 itcharlie actually Padre 0.83 seems to work with F1
06:11 itcharlie I am using 0.80 in production
06:12 itcharlie 0.80 seems to be broken
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06:34 szabgab hi waxhead
06:35 szabgab and gm *
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07:21 fenderson hi
07:26 szabgab hi fenderson
07:27 fenderson hi
07:28 fenderson szabgab: i saw you changed the sand box
07:28 szabgab right
07:29 fenderson szabgab: can you send me info page how to use it?, th last one was simpler
07:29 szabgab I don't understand your question
07:29 szabgab are you logged in to trac?
07:29 fenderson szabgab: yes
07:29 szabgab are you looking at the sandbox ?
07:29 fenderson w8 no, i thought i had a cookie
07:30 szabgab so login
07:30 fenderson ok now i can edit the sandbox thanks
07:30 fenderson i thought i had a cookie so i dont have to log in each time i open trac
07:31 szabgab I think there is some issue with that
07:31 szabgab but I could not find it so far
07:31 szabgab so go ahead play in the sandbox a bit
07:31 szabgab then update the test cases
07:32 fenderson ok
07:36 fenderson szabgab: hey, can i send the link here, so you can see what's the mistakes, and tell me what to fix?
07:38 szabgab sure
07:39 fenderson szabgab: i hope you can see what i wrote down http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/SandBox
07:40 szabgab sure
07:40 szabgab what's the problem?
07:41 fenderson szabgab: no problem i didnt know if you can see it
07:41 fenderson szabgab: cause thats my sandbox
07:42 szabgab it is not *your* sandbox
07:42 szabgab it is *the* sandbox
07:42 fenderson oh ok
07:42 szabgab see the history
07:42 szabgab and play around with the wiki syntax
07:43 szabgab #1 means it will link to the ticket number 1  so that's not a good way to create and ordered list (and now hyppolit will also get itself involved)
07:43 Hyppolit #1: Improve load time (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1#comment:5 ]
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07:49 fenderson ok changed
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07:50 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.80 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
07:51 fenderson thats better?
07:56 szabgab fenderson: the number is ok but the content seems to be strange
07:57 szabgab oh this is a test case for the command line window
07:57 szabgab good
07:58 szabgab edit the page with the test cases and add yours there
07:58 szabgab you will see how the others are marked
08:06 fenderson ok i've added my tests, i'm gonna finish the 'command' tests now and start new session
08:07 szabgab fenderson: nice
08:07 szabgab just keep editing that page so we can see the progress
08:07 szabgab and other people can also comment on it
08:08 fenderson szabgab: can you tell me what is the keycatcher on padre's command line window?
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08:12 szabgab I don't understand this question
08:12 szabgab what is a "keycathcer" ?
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08:16 fenderson yes
08:17 szabgab that was a good answer
08:17 szabgab but I still don't know what do you mean by keycatcher
08:18 fenderson szabgab: :keycatcher Number    - Turn on catching keyboard for a single event (defaults to 2) .         thats one of the options on padre's command line window
08:18 szabgab oh
08:18 szabgab let me check then
08:19 szabgab ah, that is the name of the command
08:19 fenderson yes
08:19 szabgab so you type in  :keycatcher and it will then display the codes of the keys you are pressing
08:20 fenderson i dont get it
08:20 fenderson i'm sorry
08:20 szabgab it is mostly used by a developer who would want to know what is the value when something is pressed
08:20 szabgab eg.  you press Shift-Alt-K
08:21 szabgab it tells me it is  Mode: 5 and code 75
08:21 szabgab so if I want to implement something that will react to that key combination I know what values I need to check for
08:22 fenderson ohh cool ok
08:22 fenderson i got it
08:22 fenderson thanks
08:23 szabgab fenderson: now please desribe this in your words in the wiki wen you add the use case
08:23 szabgab and later we will need to add this explanation to the help system somehow
08:27 fenderson ok
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09:36 waxhead hey szabgab
09:42 waxhead szabgab, check mailing list...
09:42 waxhead if you see zenog again, get him to do the messages.pot again...
09:42 waxhead we need to wrap up the release soon though, otherwise the branch will start getting stale
09:42 szabgab sure but he seems to be away
09:43 szabgab I agreee
09:43 szabgab so IMHO you could also just wrap it up now
09:43 szabgab if you have the time
09:43 szabgab and then we can just draw some conclusins from the process and see how to improve it for the next time
09:43 waxhead oh.. ok then..
09:43 szabgab which we can start just in a few days from now
09:44 waxhead not tonight though.. I can do a release and build, but not a full release tonight...
09:44 szabgab then wait with it
09:44 szabgab maybe prepare the release notes before the actual release?
09:48 waxhead the announcement?
09:48 waxhead yeah.. maybe..
09:48 szabgab yes
09:49 waxhead I want to get back to the release wiki page too and get that sorted out..
09:49 waxhead from now on we release from a branch, so it goes to the top.. :)
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10:54 fenderson hi :)
10:56 fenderson Padre's Command Line Window -> i dont get the command #:padre# i'm trying everything and cant make it work, i'm doing something wrong or getting it wrong,
10:57 fenderson *:padre*
10:57 fenderson * :padre *
10:58 szabgab maybe it dislikes the *colon* ?
10:58 fenderson lol szabgab  can you show me how to bold
10:58 szabgab *colon*
10:58 fenderson *colon*
10:58 fenderson :( lol i cant bold :padre
10:58 fenderson :Padre
10:58 fenderson :(:(
10:59 fenderson * : padre *
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10:59 szabgab answring your question, the command line window is quite new so it might be broken
10:59 szabgab but worst case you can always read the source code, right?
10:59 fenderson right :)
11:00 szabgab try:      :padre  Padre::Current->main->message("hi")
11:01 szabgab then save your files and try:     :padre exit
11:02 fenderson ok now i see, i didnt get it right, and its a bit more complex than i thought
11:02 szabgab please describe it in the wiki , for now in the page of the test cases
11:03 fenderson i will, and i'm going to check for more options for the : padre
11:03 fenderson to see what more can i do with that
11:03 szabgab you can execute any perl code and it will run in the process of Padre itself
11:09 fenderson its not a regular perl coder
11:09 fenderson code*
11:09 fenderson its not print 'hi';
11:28 szabgab have you tried print 'hi'?
11:37 fenderson yea
11:38 fenderson not working
11:39 szabgab interesting, it works for me
11:39 szabgab :padre print 42
11:42 fenderson nothing
11:42 fenderson wait
11:42 fenderson should i run it from dev?
11:43 El_Che lo
11:50 szabgab fenderson: as opposed to what?
12:01 fenderson open terminal
12:01 fenderson cd pade/Padre
12:01 fenderson than, i can run padre
12:01 fenderson or dev
12:01 fenderson right?
12:05 szabgab if you just type "padre" on the command line then you probably run the version that you have installed
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12:06 szabgab if you run  "perl dev" then the dev script will run the padre which is checked out from SVN
12:06 fenderson anyway i run padre
12:06 szabgab this should work in both of them but when "testing" one should test the development version of padre from SVN
12:06 szabgab fenderson: which version?
12:07 fenderson 0.80
12:07 szabgab why not the one from SVN>?
12:07 szabgab ?
12:07 fenderson wait
12:08 fenderson ok i run it now from the svn
12:08 fenderson 0.83
12:08 fenderson right?
12:08 szabgab right, and which revision?
12:08 fenderson how do i check it?
12:09 szabgab see the title bar of padre
12:09 fenderson same thing
12:12 Hyppolit svn: r13812 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13812
12:12 Hyppolit fix messages.pot
12:12 Hyppolit branches/release-0.82/share/locale/
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14:06 fenderson hi, when i do view-> Show Newlines, it does ';' if i dont do, but also i see little icon in black 'LF' what is it?
14:06 fenderson it has impact on the script?
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15:47 Hyppolit svn: r13813 | jagd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13813
15:47 Hyppolit zh-cn translation for 0.82
15:47 Hyppolit branches/release-0.82/share/locale/
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18:14 Hyppolit svn: r13814 | thecrux++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13814
18:14 Hyppolit Updated russian translation
18:14 Hyppolit branches/release-0.82/share/locale/
18:26 szabgab !#!@$%@# padre fore again for me
18:28 szabgab let me try to I think it happened after I pressed Ctrl-shift-s (by mistake) and then I presseed ctrl-alt-S  but  could not quickly generate the same behaviour
18:28 szabgab I wonder how could we catch such things
18:29 szabgab and to clarify my incorrect sentence about padre "froze" for me
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19:13 Sewi szabgab: Current Padre freezes don't seem to be related to any user action
19:37 szabgab Sewi: it freezes for you?
19:38 szabgab experimental slides uploaded: http://szabgab.com/slides/
19:39 szabgab or slides uploaded in experimental way
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20:50 Sewi szabgab: Yes, it's freezing, I opened a ticket for it some days ago
20:58 El_Che szabgab: it sucks that the next button is always on an other place
20:59 El_Che (good talk though)
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21:13 szabgab El_Che: yeah, it is a quick hack now
21:14 szabgab I just wanted to have the slides up in their future place so I can send out the blog
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21:14 szabgab I need to make a better slide show for myself
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21:15 szabgab interestingly, twitter is not working ofr me
21:15 szabgab I ge their page but there are no tweets
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21:51 El_Che szabgab: it's Meeltje
21:51 El_Che with a j
21:52 El_Che it's short for kameeltje, dutch for little camel
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