Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-02-21

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05:54 Hyppolit svn: r13815 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13815
05:54 Hyppolit - Added Padre::Task::FileRemove to allow non-blocking deletion of temporary
05:54 Hyppolit directories in the background once they are of no further use (ADAMK)
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05:54 Hyppolit
05:54 Hyppolit Did a little cleaning up of English and accuracy in Changes while doing so.
05:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/
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05:56 Hyppolit svn: r13816 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13816
05:56 Hyppolit Slightly odd typo fix
05:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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06:04 szabgab El_Che: thanks, fixed
06:04 Sewi hi all
06:06 Alias_ Did someone break the locale test?
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07:11 waxhead Alias_,  I think there was a test added to make sure some locale stuff in messages.pot are there...
07:11 waxhead which is fine on the branch, but will have to wait for the merge back  to trunk
07:12 waxhead which reminds me, I need to test the Padre tar ball
07:12 szabgab Alias_: waxhead yes, I should have added them as TODO probably
07:12 szabgab the tests I mean
07:12 szabgab let me make that change now
07:15 Hyppolit svn: r13817 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13817
07:15 Hyppolit set messages.pot locale tests TODO
07:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:16 szabgab I wonder if Padre could handle some of the GUI and readability related issues mentione in http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=888038
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08:21 kaare szabgab: I read it as an example of standard Perl bashing.
08:25 El_Che most of those things turn out to be: "I don"t know the language but I demand to understand right away", "I don't like sigils", "line noise or get rid of regular expressions" :)
08:26 El_Che having worked with regex in java (where it's hidden in an object), I would say no way! :)
08:26 daxim the thread topic is syntax
08:27 daxim autobox/p5i go a long way to scrub off the nastiest warts
08:32 Alias autobox is slow :(
08:32 Alias BTW, I have a new toy
08:33 Alias http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/Perl-Style
08:33 Alias It's like Perl::Tidy, but can change actual code instead of being limited to whitespace
08:33 Alias Like turning $foo->{bar}{baz} into $foo->{bar}->{baz}
08:33 * Alias heads for food
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08:40 El_Che Alias: really, sounds *pretty* cool
08:40 El_Che can it also convert perl into python? :P
08:41 Getty what??
08:54 * daxim makes a face like a horse
08:54 Alias El_Che, nah but it can turn ugly perl into pretty Perl
08:54 Alias Theoretically.... eventually....
08:57 El_Che just having a look at effective perl and modern perl. I thought one of those books kind of approved of what you want to change
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09:01 El_Che Alias: modern perl just points it out in a box
09:01 El_Che a4 version, p. 83
09:03 fenderson i have a question, when i open view->show code folding it does ; in every line i write, but also writes a big icon 'LF', what is the LF?
09:03 fenderson in padre
09:06 Alias weird
09:06 Alias is show newlines on?
09:07 daxim LF is linefeed
09:07 fenderson yes
09:07 fenderson what is linefeed?
09:08 Alias part of a newline
09:09 daxim a hold-over from the age of printers and teletypes.  it told the mechanism to advance the paper one line.  the other part is CR (carriage return) to move the write-head to the beginning of the line
09:10 fenderson daxim: thanks that is intresting
09:10 daxim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline  # far more than you ever wanted to know
09:11 fenderson thanks
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09:27 fenderson szabgab:
09:28 fenderson the command line window's test is done and uploaded
09:32 szabgab fenderson: thanks  everyone else, please help fenderson to improve the test-case he added to http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
09:33 szabgab and in general to improve the test cases on that page to be more "user proof"
09:45 szabgab kaare: some of the complaints in that thread on perlmonks might be regular FUD but I think what ELISHEVA say is quite on point regarding the need for better visualization of stuff in Perl
09:45 szabgab both for end users and for developers who are not fully compatible with Perl
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09:55 kaare szabgab: Sorry, didn't get past the first post ;-)
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09:57 szabgab kaare: np :)
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10:42 fenderson szabgab:
10:43 fenderson can we do a chapter for "View"
10:43 fenderson and all the functions there?
10:58 fenderson szabgab: ?
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11:34 szabgab fenderson: a chapter where?
11:42 fenderson it the test cases
11:42 fenderson we can open a header named View
11:42 fenderson and all the tests from view will go there
11:43 szabgab go ahead, it is a wiki
11:43 fenderson maybe i'll finish view today
11:43 fenderson all of the functions
11:43 szabgab but it would be important to expand the text of what you wrote so far
11:44 fenderson i have lots more
11:44 szabgab I would not be able to understand what I need to do and what I need to check from that description
11:44 szabgab fenderson: could you please actually put that stuff on the wiki
11:44 fenderson i will
11:44 fenderson today
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13:17 fenderson can anyone tell me what the indentation in padre does (view->show indentation guide)?
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13:21 zenog hi
13:27 fenderson hi
13:27 fenderson :)
13:28 fenderson zenog: can you tell me what the indentation in padre does (view->show indentation guide)?
13:28 Sewi fenderson: try it :)
13:28 zenog Sewi: Good point ;-)
13:28 Sewi It shows vertical lines for the indentation levels
13:29 fenderson tried
13:29 fenderson cant tell the defrence
13:29 fenderson deference
13:30 Sewi Do you have an open file with some different levels of indentation?
13:30 zenog fenderson: If you have a Perl file with some indented code, you will see the difference.
13:30 zenog I think if start a release branch, we should also add this version already to Trac so that people can file bugs for this version, right?
13:31 Sewi Sounds good
13:32 Sewi zenog: You seem to be a big fan of Gutenberg :)
13:38 zenog Sewi: Yeah, biiiiiiig fan!
13:39 fenderson what's the difference? i'm writing a manual test
13:39 fenderson zenog:
13:39 zenog Sewi: Or rather, disappointed fan. The whole affair struck a nerve, because I am working in academia, and it is very very frustrating working years and years and seeing others getting PhD degrees because they are in the right party, from a rich+"noble" family, etc.
13:40 zenog Sewi: And by cheating, of course. I forgot that ;-)
13:41 fenderson zenog: ?
13:42 Sewi I don't know if he did and it shouldn't harm his political work, so I don't care. But I understand your point of view and agree from an academical point of view.
13:42 Sewi fenderson: Do you have a Perl file open?
13:45 fenderson yea dev
13:45 fenderson Sewi:
13:46 zenog fenderson: Can you make a screenshot and show it us? Maybe it is a bug.
13:48 fenderson zenog:  yes, i'm going to upload it in yousendit.com , is it ok?
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13:49 fenderson zenog: Sewi https://www.yousendit.com/download/ T2pGckhlZ2o3bUN4dnc9PQ
13:49 fenderson https://www.yousendit.com/dow​nload/T2pGckhlZ2o3bUN4dnc9PQ
13:51 zenog fenderson: Here it is how it looks for me http://twitpic.com/427y53
13:51 zenog fenderson: You need to load a file to see the difference.
13:52 fenderson its the dots?
13:55 fenderson i dont understand what's the difference, i dont have to do tab everytime i jump to the next line when i'm on a method or function or something like that
13:57 Sewi fenderson: the vertical lines show where a block starts and ends
13:57 fenderson ohh ok
13:58 fenderson Sewi: perfect explanation thanks
14:02 fenderson what'
14:02 fenderson what's the purpose of right margin?
14:07 zenog fenderson: It shows a vertical line after N characters.
14:07 zenog e.g. N=80
14:08 fenderson zenog: what is it for?
14:08 daxim style hint
14:09 fenderson daxim: ok, i guess
14:10 zenog http://twitpic.com/42853o
14:11 fenderson zenog: thanks, i think i almost done with "View"
14:12 daxim these colours depress me.  is that the new ubuntu?
14:13 fenderson daxim: yes i think its the 10.10
14:13 zenog daxim: I guess it is mostly the scintilla thing
14:13 zenog daxim: Ubuntu 10.04
14:13 daxim always recognisable at first glance, in a bad way
14:13 zenog daxim: But it is a quite standard GNOME theme, I guess.
14:13 fenderson zenog: i'm using 10.10 and its the same colours
14:13 zenog daxim: No, there is much worse over-shiny and black/dark stuff.
14:14 zenog daxim: Show us your theme ;-)
14:14 daxim okay
14:14 zenog I took the liberty and added a version 0.82pre to the trac, so from now on we can submit tickets for the release branch ...
14:18 Hyppolit #1138: Warnings at Padre startup; Padre server not working (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1138 ]
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14:19 zenog 1138 is a ticket for the release branch ...
14:20 El_Che that a pretty explicit "warn" that is thown in the code
14:20 El_Che 's
14:20 daxim off: zenog, http://www6.pic-upload.de/​21.02.11/ifyawgredl3k.png
14:21 daxim I'm not entirely happy with the icons in the tray.  I cannot change some of them from colourless stupid white, and some are unnecessarily blurry
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14:23 zenog daxim: Nice, but I am more used to gray ;-)
14:23 daxim grey depresses me
14:24 zenog Maybe I am strange, but this gray is a neutral, pleasing color ...
14:25 fenderson wow
14:25 fenderson that is shiny
14:28 daxim you should've seen it when I was on KDE 3.5, even better
14:31 fenderson lol
14:31 fenderson i like it my way
14:31 fenderson less shiny
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15:27 szabgab fenderson: I am trying to not be offensive but you keep saying you made progress but I don't see anything in the wiki
15:28 szabgab are you hiding it for some reason?
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16:02 fenderson szabgab: no i just didnt get it on the wiki
16:02 fenderson you can ask sawyer i write it all on my notebook
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16:09 szabgab fenderson: what is only on your notebook that does not exist
16:10 szabgab ask sawyer
16:10 szabgab what did sukria say about that in his talk
16:10 fenderson sukria?
16:10 fenderson who is sukria?
16:13 fenderson in wiki you can see that i finished command line window
16:13 fenderson and i have 7 more test to upload
16:19 daxim sukria is http://search.cpan.org/~sukria/
16:20 fenderson from the dancer project
16:21 fenderson ok and what is it have to do with me i dont get..
16:21 szabgab ask sawyer, what did sukria say about that in his talk
16:23 fenderson szabgab: ok anyway i'm going to upload it right away
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16:29 fenderson i'm on the phone with sawyer and he doesnt understand either..
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16:47 fenderson hey guys
16:48 fenderson i'll be glad to know what you think about my manual test on http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
16:48 fenderson what can i improve, it begins at "The Command Line Window"
16:57 fenderson szabgab: i uploaded everything for now
16:57 fenderson everything i worked on till now, i'll keep on writing some more
16:59 zenog fenderson++
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17:18 fenderson szabgab: i'm waiting for a message
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