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jon: Sorry, would do that but I need to sleep now. WxPerl has a nice mailing list if you have questions ... & |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13850 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13850 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/fbp/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13851 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13851 |
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Hyppolit |
Adding a (really old) dep version for Data::Dumper for completeness |
| 02:22 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13852 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13852 |
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Hyppolit |
Adding the module skeleton |
| 02:22 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/t/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13853 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13853 |
| 02:34 |
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Hyppolit |
Completing more of the skeleton |
| 02:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/Plugin/ParserTool/ |
| 02:40 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13854 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13854 |
| 02:40 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated compatibility |
| 02:40 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13855 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13855 |
| 02:41 |
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Hyppolit |
Updating compat |
| 02:41 |
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Hyppolit |
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Sewi |
gm |
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szabgab |
gm |
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szabgab |
El_Che: I know that // confuses our version of Scintilla but I thought it works well with the PPI highlighter |
| 06:54 |
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szabgab |
jon: you can try to just type in the wx related question and then someone who comes to the channel might be able to help, no promisis though :), the wxPerl mailing list might really be a better place to ask |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13856 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13856 |
| 07:17 |
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Hyppolit |
move the test of the messages.pot to a separate test-file to be able to run it on head-less machines as well |
| 07:17 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/t/ |
| 07:33 |
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fenderson |
hi |
| 07:33 |
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fenderson |
szabgab: |
| 07:33 |
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fenderson |
i have notes for the last ticket we talked about |
| 07:33 |
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fenderson |
in the meeting |
| 07:34 |
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fenderson |
so i'll right it now and i'll go to the next one |
| 07:36 |
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szabgab |
I don't recall |
| 07:36 |
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szabgab |
but I'll see it in the ticket, right? |
| 07:37 |
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El_Che |
gm |
| 07:37 |
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fenderson |
right |
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fenderson |
but it will take sometime cause i need to download the svn to my lenovo(the other computer) and then the padre dev also |
| 07:46 |
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fenderson |
some time * |
| 07:46 |
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fenderson |
i got a problem |
| 07:46 |
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fenderson |
i've downloaded the svn |
| 07:47 |
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fenderson |
but when i right svn co http/perlide.org/padre/trunk padre |
| 07:48 |
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fenderson |
it says svn: OPTIONS of 'http://perlider.org/padre/trunk 200 ok (http://perlide.org) |
| 07:48 |
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Sewi |
maybe you have a typo in the URL? |
| 07:48 |
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Sewi |
svn? |
| 07:48 |
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Hyppolit |
svn is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ownloadRepository and also http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/ and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser |
| 07:48 |
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fenderson |
http://perlide.org/padre/trunk padre* |
| 07:49 |
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Sewi |
no |
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Sewi |
svn.perlide.org |
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El_Che |
svn co http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk |
| 07:49 |
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fenderson |
ok i'll try it |
| 07:49 |
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fenderson |
El_Che: Sewi thanks :D |
| 07:50 |
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fenderson |
its working |
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fenderson |
downloading the modules for padre dev |
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fenderson |
after i did Makefile.PL |
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fenderson |
make |
| 07:57 |
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fenderson |
and make test |
| 07:58 |
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fenderson |
i run dev |
| 07:58 |
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fenderson |
and it said |
| 07:58 |
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fenderson |
ORLite version 1.48 required--this is only version1.4- |
| 07:59 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13857 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13857 |
| 07:59 |
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Hyppolit |
more tests for messages.pot |
| 07:59 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/t/ |
| 07:59 |
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fenderson |
i think i never got that msg in my computer |
| 07:59 |
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Sewi |
Seems you have ORLite Version 1.4 but need 1.48 :-) |
| 07:59 |
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fenderson |
can it be that ubuntu 10.04 comes with ORLite 1.4 |
| 07:59 |
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fenderson |
and ubuntu 10.10 comes with 1.48 |
| 07:59 |
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fenderson |
? |
| 08:00 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13858 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13858 |
| 08:00 |
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Hyppolit |
restrict the usage of xgettext to a specific version, make sure output is sorted in the hope that it will generate less changes in the file |
| 08:00 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
| 08:00 |
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Sewi |
ORLite is a Perl modul |
| 08:01 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13859 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13859 |
| 08:01 |
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Hyppolit |
update messages.pot on the svn server using xgettext 0.17 |
| 08:01 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
| 08:02 |
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fenderson |
yay its working |
| 08:02 |
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fenderson |
now i can run the bug cases and report |
| 08:02 |
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fenderson |
:D |
| 08:03 |
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fenderson |
Sewi: thank for your help :) |
| 08:03 |
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fenderson |
Sewi: ++ |
| 08:03 |
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fenderson |
Sewi++ |
| 08:03 |
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fenderson |
how do i do it? |
| 08:05 |
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Hyppolit |
#1141: Project browser does not default to the default directory in the configuration (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1141 ] |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13860 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13860 |
| 08:06 |
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Hyppolit |
Fix Project Browser bug, #1141 |
| 08:06 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 08:07 |
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Hyppolit |
#1132: missing strings in 'messages.pot' (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1132#comment:4 ] |
| 08:07 |
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Hyppolit |
#1141: Project browser does not default to the default directory in the configuration (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1141#comment:1 ] |
| 08:24 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13861 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13861 |
| 08:24 |
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Hyppolit |
Bump the dependency |
| 08:24 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/ |
| 08:38 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13862 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13862 |
| 08:38 |
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Hyppolit |
Update the messages.pot file |
| 08:38 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13863 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13863 |
| 08:47 |
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Hyppolit |
Bug fixes so that preview works |
| 08:47 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
| 09:07 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13864 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13864 |
| 09:07 |
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Hyppolit |
Basic ParserTool plugin completed |
| 09:07 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/Plugin/ParserTool/ |
| 09:08 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13865 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13865 |
| 09:08 |
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Hyppolit |
add another help item. This time to the startup_files option |
| 09:08 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ |
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szabgab |
pastebot? |
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szabgab |
paste? |
| 09:33 |
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szabgab |
Hyppolit? |
| 09:33 |
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Hyppolit |
Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.07 |
| 09:33 |
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Hyppolit |
My master is szabgab. |
| 09:33 |
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szabgab |
hmm |
| 09:36 |
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szabgab |
Hyppolit: pastebot is http://www.pastebot.net/ |
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Hyppolit |
pastebot was unknown |
| 09:36 |
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Hyppolit |
pastebot is now http://www.pastebot.net/ |
| 09:38 |
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szabgab |
Getty: ping |
| 09:38 |
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szabgab |
Getty: have you used Perl with Pidgin? |
| 09:39 |
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szabgab |
I just compiled pidgin and get this: http://www.pastebot.net/paste/rF9MhM6CWDf/ when trying to use Purple |
| 10:26 |
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El_Che |
anyone know why module builds seems to ignore pod parts withing a =begin html -> =end html block? |
| 10:27 |
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El_Che |
Module::Build I mean |
| 10:36 |
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El_Che |
OK, probably the code is there, but the converted man page ignores it |
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Hyppolit |
#272: print option does not work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/272#comment:2 ] |
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waxhead_droid |
eveningso what do we do about the indexing issue on pause? |
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szabgab |
waxhead_droid: I did not have time to deal with it but as I can see on http://search.cpan.org/dist/Padre/ |
| 11:21 |
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szabgab |
it does not mantion the problem |
| 11:22 |
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waxhead_droid |
oh, I haven't checked cpan.. so 0.82 is showing up? |
| 11:22 |
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szabgab |
and cpan Padre finds 0.82 I am not sure what happend |
| 11:22 |
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waxhead_droid |
cool. that's good then |
| 11:22 |
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szabgab |
and Steffen fixed it in the trunk so this should go away next time |
| 11:23 |
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waxhead_droid |
so when do we want to branch for the next release? :-) |
| 11:24 |
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szabgab |
fenderson: next time please add more details to your bug report/update (e.g. the version of Padre where you encounter the issue) |
| 11:24 |
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szabgab |
waxhead_droid: what do you suggest? |
| 11:26 |
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szabgab |
the lovely thing is that I can use the version from the release branch but the one on trunk crashes on start-up (on suse) |
| 11:27 |
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waxhead_droid |
I don't know really, we've always just gone with; when the next version is ready or a major bug is fixed. |
| 11:28 |
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waxhead_droid |
why can't you use the tagged version? |
| 11:28 |
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szabgab |
I can I guess |
| 11:28 |
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szabgab |
but I'd like to figure out why do I get segfault on trunk |
| 11:28 |
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szabgab |
that's not good :*( |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
lseek(0, 0, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
is what I get in strace |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
3 rimes |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
times |
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waxhead_droid |
I'm not going to use 'release' next time |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
and then brk(0x34bd000) = 0x34bd000 |
| 11:29 |
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szabgab |
several times (maybe 100 or 200) |
| 11:30 |
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waxhead_droid |
what version of Perl? |
| 11:30 |
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szabgab |
5.10.0 |
| 11:30 |
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szabgab |
0.82 works, trunk segfaults |
| 11:30 |
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waxhead_droid |
that's your problem. the branch should crash too |
| 11:31 |
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waxhead_droid |
it did for me until I upgraded to 5.10.1 |
| 11:33 |
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waxhead_droid |
perlbrew 5.10.1 |
| 11:35 |
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szabgab |
trunk is crashing on that machine starting from r13820 |
| 11:35 |
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Hyppolit |
Changeset #13820 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13820 |
| 11:39 |
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waxhead_droid |
how do you know that? I'm curious |
| 11:43 |
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waxhead_droid |
ok, time to go... |
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Getty |
szabgab: not yet |
| 11:59 |
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Getty |
szabgab: but i saw "outside" scripts, perl scripts that used the pidgin engine todo stuff |
| 12:00 |
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Getty |
(so not inside of pidgin) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13866 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13866 |
| 12:08 |
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Hyppolit |
Regenerating the dialog with the improved FBP::Perl 0.18 |
| 12:08 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/lib/Padre/Plugin/ParserTool/ |
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Alias |
Yo |
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Alias |
Made a big step fowards today |
| 12:12 |
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Alias |
Managed to get FBP::Perl (and thus the wxFormBuilder plugin) generating properly nesting code |
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Alias |
So you can make big complicated dialogs now, like the Preferences dialog |
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fenderson |
szabgab: |
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fenderson |
tell me, the "Ctrl-Alt-S (Save Session) backgrounds the window" defect |
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fenderson |
was on ubuntu 10.10 padre 0.83? |
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szabgab |
fenderson: which ticket? |
| 13:22 |
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Hyppolit |
#1142: crash on startup on Suse (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1142 ] |
| 13:26 |
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fenderson |
#663 |
| 13:26 |
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Hyppolit |
#663: Rewritten Win32 launcher (accepted enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/663#comment:5 ] |
| 13:32 |
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szabgab |
fenderson: I don't see my name mentioned there, why do you ask? |
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szabgab |
and why do you think I remember? |
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fenderson |
i didnt think you remember thats why i told you whice ticket |
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fenderson |
and reported that ticket |
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fenderson |
you reported* |
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szabgab |
fenderson: I might be very tired but I don't see my name on #663, are you sure about the ticket number? |
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Hyppolit |
#663: Rewritten Win32 launcher (accepted enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/663#comment:5 ] |
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fenderson |
* ← Previous Ticket * Back to Query * Next Ticket → Ticket #633 (new defect) Opened 17 months ago Last modified 12 months ago Ctrl-Alt-S (Save Session) backgrounds the window Reported by: szabgab Owned by: Priority: major Milestone: Component: editor Version: trunk |
| 14:16 |
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Hyppolit |
#633: Ctrl-Alt-S (Save Session) backgrounds the window (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/633#comment:2 ] |
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fenderson |
szabgab: |
| 14:17 |
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szabgab |
that's a different number though |
| 14:18 |
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szabgab |
the ticket says Ubuntu 9.04 |
| 14:21 |
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fenderson |
sorry my mistake |
| 14:21 |
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fenderson |
anyway |
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fenderson |
i'm working with 10.10 and there is no problem |
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szabgab |
coment on the ticket and then I think you can close it |
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fenderson |
ok |
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fenderson |
can you challenge me more? |
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szabgab |
fenderson: challenge you? |
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fenderson |
you |
| 14:32 |
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szabgab |
I know I am |
| 14:32 |
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fenderson |
i want to learn more |
| 14:32 |
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fenderson |
i feel like i'm not progressing like i did last week |
| 14:33 |
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szabgab |
I feel the same |
| 14:33 |
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szabgab |
but I would like to see the things we started done |
| 14:33 |
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fenderson |
ok i want to change that |
| 14:33 |
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szabgab |
look at http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]eReleaseChecklist |
| 14:34 |
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szabgab |
look at the cases at the upper part (mostly by zenog) |
| 14:34 |
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szabgab |
and the lower part by you |
| 14:34 |
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szabgab |
we need better test-cases |
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szabgab |
can you see the difference betwee how zenog wrote and how you did? |
| 14:34 |
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fenderson |
i dont get 1 thing |
| 14:35 |
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szabgab |
you are lucky then |
| 14:35 |
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fenderson |
XD |
| 14:35 |
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szabgab |
what is that 1 thing you don't get? |
| 14:35 |
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fenderson |
the test cases should tell people what to do or should it explain them how things work |
| 14:35 |
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szabgab |
it should tell them what to do |
| 14:35 |
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szabgab |
and then what to check |
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szabgab |
e.g. TODO list: |
| 14:36 |
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fenderson |
what do you mean by what to check |
| 14:36 |
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szabgab |
Open the TODO list window by clicking View/To-Do list |
| 14:36 |
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szabgab |
type inthe file # TO DO bla |
| 14:36 |
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fenderson |
to check if things work as they should |
| 14:36 |
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szabgab |
check if bla appears in the TODO list |
| 14:37 |
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szabgab |
change the regex in the configuration of the TODO list (describe it how!) |
| 14:37 |
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szabgab |
and to what to change |
| 14:37 |
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szabgab |
check if the bla has disappeard? |
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szabgab |
you see I wrote down a bunch of steps in 1 minute |
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szabgab |
I expect such, and longer and better descriptions |
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szabgab |
was the above clear? |
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fenderson |
ok so thats what i'll do |
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fenderson |
yea perfectly clear |
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szabgab |
so take one of the entries you wrote and improve it *in the wiki* |
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szabgab |
so we can see it |
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szabgab |
then tell us about it and go on to the next one |
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fenderson |
ok by tomorrow morning you'll have it done |
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szabgab |
no |
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szabgab |
I want the first one in 20 minutes |
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szabgab |
and the next one 20 minutes later |
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szabgab |
and I am quite "large" in that as it could be done in 2-3 minutes as well |
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fenderson |
ok |
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szabgab |
but I would like you to actually step through the things |
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szabgab |
in 2 hours from now you could fix all the entries you added to that page |
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szabgab |
and then we can talk about the rest |
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szabgab |
the rest of the day |
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fenderson |
when i open the to do list |
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fenderson |
there are 2 boxes |
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fenderson |
what the lower one for? |
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szabgab |
I don't know, I have only one box |
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fenderson |
the one box |
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fenderson |
is actually 2 |
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fenderson |
and i think its not working or i just dont know how to work with that |
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szabgab |
so ask around here and on the mailing list |
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szabgab |
or check the documentation (if there is) or check the source code |
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fenderson |
what can i find the source code? |
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fenderson |
where* |
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szabgab |
this is the time I think that you need to search for it |
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fenderson |
i cant find the list how options of "View" on padre's source code |
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szabgab |
have you found the source code of padre? |
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szabgab |
if yes then use the find in files feature |
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fenderson |
yea |
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fenderson |
cd padre/Padre |
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fenderson |
i dont know that feature |
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fenderson |
and i dont see something that explains how to use it in google |
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szabgab |
its a menu option in Padre |
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szabgab |
Searc/Find in Files |
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szabgab |
Search/Find in Files |
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fenderson |
found it |
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fenderson |
sub show_todo |
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El_Che |
fenderson: in case you don't know ack, it's pretty cool when looking for pieces of code |
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fenderson |
yea it is |
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fenderson |
i think i'm going to do a test case of this as well, but before i do it i have to check if there is a one |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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fenderson |
hi |
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rindolf |
Hi fenderson |
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Jagdwurst |
hallo |
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Jagdwurst |
does anyone go to CeBIT like last year? |
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szabgab |
hi Jagdwurst |
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szabgab |
we don't have a booth there but some Perleres will be there |
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szabgab |
I think zeno is at some university booth and Renee will visit on one of the days, I think he has a talk |
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Jagdwurst |
:( |
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szabgab |
yeah, last year we got the booth free of charge |
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szabgab |
this year it would have cost us I think about 10K Euro |
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szabgab |
and the Perl Ecosystem Group does not have that kind of money yet |
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Jagdwurst |
oh, 10K? |
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szabgab |
yeah I think they charge about 700 Euro / sqm |
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Jagdwurst |
szabgab: will you visit it, this year? |
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szabgab |
Jagdwurst: nope |
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szabgab |
but I am planning to be at the LinuxTag in Berlin |
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Jagdwurst |
@_@ |
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szabgab |
Jagdwurst: where are you from ? |
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Jagdwurst |
szabgab: iam in Hannover now |
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Jagdwurst |
szabgab: but working in other city |
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Jagdwurst |
szabgab: will goto CeBIT on saturday |
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andi |
Hi! I'm having some trouble with Padre 0.82 / Strawberry Perl 5.10.1.4 under Win7 x64. I installed from cpan, everything seemed to install fine, but the DocBrowser is somewhat broken. It does not display any content. |
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andi |
I'm not sure if I shall open a bug ticket. It's a fresh install of Strawberry (x86). Also tried the Padre v0.63 standalone install bundled with Strawberry -> works, but same DocBrowser issue when upgrading to 0.82 via cpan |
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El_Che |
andi: |
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El_Che |
damn |
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szabgab |
it would be so good if my network connection did not fluctuate and I 'd get alerts when people join the channel and start writing |
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szabgab |
or if we managed to have more people around keep chatting :) |
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El_Che |
szabgab: run irssi |
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El_Che |
it does that and you can script it in perl |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r13867 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13867 |
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Hyppolit |
Update the messages.pot file |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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andi |
I'm back :) |
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szabgab |
andi: :) |
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szabgab |
El_Che: I run irssi on the remote machine |
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szabgab |
andi: so I guess you tried F1 |
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szabgab |
try F2 :) |
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andi |
exactly |
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andi |
lol |
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szabgab |
we have some issues with F1 I think |
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andi |
this actually does something |
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szabgab |
we have two help systems, neither working perfectly :) |
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andi |
good to know :) I thought my installation of padre was skrewed |
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szabgab |
probably not |
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szabgab |
we just have to fix this issue |
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szabgab |
which reminds me I should ask fenderson what's up? |
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szabgab |
andi: want to help us? |
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andi |
I'm a bloody beginner on perl stuff and just discovered padre as a great IDE with even debugging support. |
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szabgab |
khm, that's another sore point :( |
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szabgab |
I am just about to send out a call for people with little or no perl background who would like to get involved |
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szabgab |
I like it when time wraps and people answer my call before I make it :) |
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szabgab |
unfortunatelly usually it does not happen even after I make the call :) |
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andi |
really? I guessed that beginner's questions and experiences contains lots of redundant stuff and false bug reports |
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szabgab |
beginner questions show us where we need to improve |
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szabgab |
the experts can fix it for themselves |
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andi |
ok, then you've just found an ultimate beginner. just started coding in perl yesterday :) |
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szabgab |
great :) |
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szabgab |
why did you start coding in Perl? |
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andi |
I want to do some algorithm prototyping |
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andi |
and my collegue proposed perl |
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szabgab |
nice |
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szabgab |
what kind of work do you do? |
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andi |
scientific computing in general |
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szabgab |
at a university or company? |
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andi |
my actual focus is some graph theory involved in circuit layouting |
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andi |
i've got a par time job at a research institute and the other half of my time i spend at the univerisity for my phd |
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szabgab |
there was a good book about algorithms in perl but it is several years old |
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andi |
I just got myself a pdf of "Modern Perl" |
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szabgab |
that's certainly good to have and read |
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andi |
but not a good starting point :) |
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szabgab |
not really |
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andi |
I looked through "learning perl" at a local book store but it did not contain enough in depth info for me |
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andi |
and there is "Programming Perl" at a really tempting price, but it looks somewhat outdated |
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szabgab |
you might want to take a look at Moose |
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Steffen |
It is. |
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szabgab |
for object oriented code |
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Steffen |
For a fun book that doesn't teach you much in terms of current best practices, but is simply a joy to read, check out Higher Order Perl. |
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Steffen |
Not really an introductory book, but it has a section with basics. |
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Steffen |
And it is available as a PDF for free (officially). |
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szabgab |
Steffen: btw do you know what happened with the CPAN upload of Padre? |
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Steffen |
It didn't get indexed. |
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Steffen |
Because it contained a package that is part of MakeMaker. |
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Steffen |
It needs a re-release. |
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Steffen |
As I said yesterday. |
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szabgab |
so how can people install it using cpan? |
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Steffen |
I fixed the code. |
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Steffen |
install P/PLAVENDER/Padre-0.82.tar.gz |
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szabgab |
and why does search.cpan not complain about it? |
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szabgab |
i installed it using cpan Padre |
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Steffen |
Really? |
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Steffen |
Odd. |
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szabgab |
my question was how come people can install it |
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Steffen |
Then something fishy happened. |
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szabgab |
maybe Alias did something? |
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Steffen |
Check the 02packages... file to see if it's in there for the usual Padre namespaces. |
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Steffen |
Doubtful. |
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Steffen |
Nothing he could do. |
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szabgab |
andi: so if you would like to help we would be happy just with general feedback |
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szabgab |
things you were expecting but are not there |
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szabgab |
and if you'd like to give some more formal help then we have just recently started an effor to do regular manual testing for Padre, before releases |
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szabgab |
Steffen: and I guess andi installed the same way |
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andi |
jep, just did a "install Padre" with a "force notest install IPC::Run" just before |
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szabgab |
yeah, that module is problematic |
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andi |
and maybe "install Alien::wxWidgets" and "install Wx", but not sure about that. I tried so many ways to install it today... including activepearl |
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Steffen |
andi: What's your PhD's subject? |
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andi |
it's on model order reduction in electric field simulation |
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Steffen |
Ah, nice! |
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Steffen |
andi: That book I mentioned is at http://hop.perl.plover.com/ |
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andi |
jep, I just got it. thanks! |
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andi |
but looks pretty advanced... |
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Steffen |
I guess so. |
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Steffen |
Probably depends on what kind of languages you already know. |
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andi |
mostly c++ |
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Steffen |
The algorithms book Gabor mentioned is called "Mastering Algorithms with Perl" by Orwant et al and was released in 1999. |
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andi |
and a bit of java |
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Steffen |
That's not horrible for starters. |
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Steffen |
The algorithms book is useful, but has some pretty dated style./ |
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Steffen |
There's also chromatic's "Modern Perl", but I haven't read it. I don't know the exact level of it, but I would assume it's an easier read than Higher Order Perl. |
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Steffen |
And it's more recent in terms of style. |
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andi |
that's odd: google pointed me directly to a pdf version of "mastering..." |
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Steffen |
That's likely illegal :) |
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Steffen |
Though Modern Perl is also legally available as a PDF (just like Higher Order Perl) |
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Steffen |
for free, too. |
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andi |
sure. but i didn't expect such a link under the top 10 search results |
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Steffen |
True. |
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Steffen |
So at least you can skim the books a bit to see if they float your boat. |
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andi |
...and I probably won't print out 700 pages... |
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szabgab |
I remember back when I was in school I did not want to pay for some book so I xerox-ed it |
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szabgab |
and thus paid more than if I bough the original |
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szabgab |
so now I have tons of books I bought and have no time to read them :) |
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Steffen |
You can buy both on dead tree. |
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andi |
:) |
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andi |
the mastering book looks nice, it even has a dedicated graphs chapter involving the Graph module |
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Steffen |
(with old style) |
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andi |
what do you mean by that? |
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Steffen |
It's really quite dated. |
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andi |
I don't know anything about the progression of perl |
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Steffen |
Hmm. |
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andi |
just that there was perl 3, 4, 5.6, etc. |
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Steffen |
Consider C++ that is so old that people didn't use the STL because it was still in flux :) |
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andi |
:) |
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Steffen |
Or C++ that eschews references altogether. |
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Steffen |
Though I have seen people debate that. |
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andi |
I got the first edition of stroustrups book and then was really disappointed that no compiler available at that time had a proper implementation of the stl |
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Steffen |
I have to admit that I was disappointed with that book overall. |
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Steffen |
Anyway. Mastering... isn't bad. Just make sure you take a look at some more recent stuff. |
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Steffen |
*more recent stuff, too. |
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andi |
I was at school back then (1998 i think). no internet. no knownledge of unix/linux/gcc. just the only compiler i could afford a student's license of: watcom c/c++ 11.0 |
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andi |
but tell me - is there any reference book you can recommend? |
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Steffen |
Sadly, *the* reference is still Programming Perl. But it's also really outdated. |
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andi |
one that explains references of whatever, multidim. arrays, etc. |
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Steffen |
It just doesn't pay to write references, it seems. |
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Steffen |
Perl comes with thousands of pages of manuals. |
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Steffen |
Which vary in quality and can be hard to navifate. |
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Steffen |
*navigate |
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Steffen |
but work okay as a reference. |
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andi |
manpages don't teach me good programming practice |
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Steffen |
"perldoc perlreftut" |
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Steffen |
No. That's why they can only be a companion to a teaching book. |
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Steffen |
as opposed to a reference book. |
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Steffen |
IMO, the Stroustrup would be a horrible reference. |
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rindolf |
andi: do you want Perl Best Practices? |
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Steffen |
No. |
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andi |
my biggest question at the moment is: in what cases does perl create a _copy_ of a function argument / when to use references to speed up things |
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Steffen |
Well. Perl flattens sub arguments to a list. |
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andi |
Stroustrup was the only C++ book I of at that time. |
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andi |
+knew |
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El_Che |
andi: I recently bought "Mastering Algorithms with Perl", it looks impressing |
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Steffen |
So if you are going pass an array or hash, the only way to pass that exact thing is to pass a reference to them. |
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Steffen |
Whereas if you pass them literally, their elements will be flattened into aforementioned list (available as @_ in the function) |
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andi |
and if I pass a Graph? |
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Steffen |
It's an object and as such in Perl, it is a reference. |
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andi |
not even a swallow copy? |
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Steffen |
Perl objects are references (to anything you like) that have a class name attached. |
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Steffen |
The reference will be copied. The referenced object not. |
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Steffen |
Don't confuse Perl references with C++ references. They don't have a whole lot in common. |
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Steffen |
Think of them more like an auto_ptr. |
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andi |
ok. that's good news. |
| 20:40 |
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Steffen |
There are some rare cases when you can actually see true aliasing in Perl that is similar to C++ references. But don't worry about that now. |
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El_Che |
andi: if you like Addision-Wesley Effective C++ (or Java) you'll like Effective Perl from the same series |
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El_Che |
http://www.effectiveperlprogramming.com/ |
| 20:47 |
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El_Che |
not a tutorial but a tour up to date of best practices |
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El_Che |
tour of |
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rindolf |
El_Che: by bdfoy and merlyn? |
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El_Che |
brian, joseph hall and joshia mcadams |
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andi |
looks beginner-friendly :) |
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Steffen |
El_Che, good one! |
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szabgab |
El_Che: we will need a list of recommended perl books and then ake sure we have them at the booth |
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El_Che |
yeah, I also bought more that I could actually read because of time, but I made time for Modern Perl and Effective Perl |
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El_Che |
chromatic book about testing was also a nice read |
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Steffen |
citing #p5p: <leont> autarch++# perlootut |
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Steffen |
andi, i.e. if you take a look at the development version of perl, you will find a perlootut man page written by a very good writer. |
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Steffen |
(OO tutorial) |
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andi |
ok, guys, thanks very much for your help. you gave me a good boost for my beginning experience! |
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Steffen |
You're very welcome! |
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andi |
i'll give you feedback on padre as soon as i run into something noteworthy |
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andi |
see you later |
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El_Che |
bye! |
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