Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-03-02

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06:42 szabgab andi+ for starting the new beginners FAQ
06:42 szabgab andi++ too
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07:00 Sewi gm
07:01 szabgab Sewi: yes, gm
07:02 szabgab Sewi: yesterday I met with fenderson and talk to him a bit, I hope he will start the day by filling a bug report about the TODO feature, both the crash and the fact that it does not work him
07:03 szabgab I also asked him to read again his perl 5 materials and to read the svn book
07:03 Sewi good. I think it will work for him as soon as he did the TODO reset
07:03 Sewi regex reset
07:04 szabgab I just tried it and it worked for me (for the first time :)
07:04 szabgab but it is confusing that one needs to save the file
07:05 Sewi yes, maybe it should parse when you click on the pane or double click an item
07:05 szabgab I can understand that we probably don't want to fetch the TODOs on every change to the file
07:06 Sewi This would be too much, I think.
07:06 szabgab that could be an improvement
07:06 szabgab but I thought to have a popup when someone opens the TODO window explaining how to use it
07:07 szabgab and/or a button on the TODO window to get help
07:07 Sewi maybe we should add many more ? buttons to functions...
07:08 szabgab wdym by functions?
07:08 Sewi anything which (may) need explanation
07:09 Sewi M$ used to have a ? icon on the top right of every office dialog.
07:09 szabgab and if I click on the TODO items it does not seem to jump to its location inthe code
07:09 Sewi you need to double click
07:09 szabgab I did that
07:09 szabgab but the file was only one screen so maybe that's the lack of visual
07:10 szabgab nope, it does not jump for me even in larger files
07:11 Sewi Strange, it worked for me yesterday
07:12 szabgab anyway, I hope fenderson will finally write a test-case for the TODO windown and then we can check it better
07:13 Hyppolit #1144: TODO list may jump to the wrong line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1144 ]
07:41 fenderson ין
07:41 fenderson ן 'ןךך
07:41 fenderson i will
07:41 fenderson szabgab:
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08:09 fenderson szabgab: i'm going to the bank,
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09:34 fenderson hey
09:34 fenderson Sewi: as already reported the todo bug
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09:40 Sewi no, I reported another one
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09:48 fenderson ?
09:48 fenderson 1secx
09:49 fenderson you wrote a test case
09:49 fenderson yesterday
09:49 fenderson no?
09:56 Sewi I worte a short one here in IRC
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10:23 fenderson Sewi:
10:23 fenderson how do i open a report
10:24 fenderson a ticket
10:24 Sewi trac?
10:24 Hyppolit trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
10:25 Sewi Use the first link, log in, click on "create ticket". Read(!) the text and follow the wizard.
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11:07 fenderson Sewi:
11:07 fenderson i saw now the create ticket...
11:07 fenderson i did not see it before
11:07 Sewi You need to login before you see it :)
11:09 fenderson lol i'm always in
11:09 fenderson Sewi: btw
11:09 fenderson how do i do the dots
11:09 fenderson i saw your ticket
11:09 fenderson and you have steps
11:09 fenderson http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1144
11:09 Sewi Type * step 1 on an empty line
11:09 fenderson step 1 step 2
11:10 fenderson ok cool thanks
11:10 Sewi * do this now for the next line
11:10 Sewi every * becomes a step
11:10 fenderson i have to right step 1, in order to get the icon?
11:10 fenderson symble*
11:10 Sewi No, just *
11:10 fenderson symbol
11:11 fenderson ohh ok great
11:11 fenderson thanks alot :)
11:11 fenderson can i start a ticket in steps
11:11 fenderson or should i write something before?
11:11 Sewi yes
11:12 Sewi A short 1-sentence summary of the problem would be good
11:12 fenderson ok
11:22 fenderson Sewi:
11:22 fenderson can i paste it so you can see it first
11:22 fenderson before i upload it?
11:23 Sewi Just upload it, it could be changed even if it's online
11:23 fenderson http://mibpaste.com/x0RBYu
11:23 fenderson ok, and its here also
11:24 Sewi This is not completly right. The bug appers only if you got an error in your TODO regex in settings
11:25 fenderson ohh ok
11:25 Hyppolit #1145: TODO List Bug - Closing padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1145 ]
11:26 fenderson so i have to first change the regex settings
11:26 Sewi the TODO regex setting
11:27 fenderson if i right there /( [ { "/ it will cause it?
11:27 Hyppolit #1145: TODO List Bug - Closing padre (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1145#comment:1 ]
11:28 fenderson how can i edit it?
11:28 Sewi We need the popup window only when the eval failed
11:28 Sewi sry
11:28 Sewi I wrote a comment on it, everything is fine now
11:29 fenderson ok
11:30 fenderson but basically if i open a ticket
11:30 fenderson how can i edit it after a reported
11:33 Sewi You could comment on it, I don't know if you could edit the ticket text, but trac admins could do this.
11:34 Sewi You might want to try something like this http://paste.org/pastebin/view/29630 for getting used to eval
11:37 fenderson Sewi: ok great, thanks
11:37 Sewi try the sample and play around with it
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12:56 Carmageddon guys, can anyone help me with 2 issues using Padre? 1) I cant find where to enable current line highlight and 2) Context search (F2) is not working.. for example selecting 'open' and doing F2 either gets the window stuck, no results, or crash
12:57 fenderson first
12:58 fenderson open padre
12:58 fenderson go to View
12:58 fenderson enable Show Current Line
12:58 Carmageddon ahhh, found it fenderson, thanks! I was sure it was preferences where I disabled it.. hehe
12:58 Carmageddon what about the second issue? any ideas?
12:59 fenderson let me see
12:59 fenderson what do you mean by context
12:59 fenderson search words in text?
13:00 Carmageddon no, context help is for built in perl functions.. but weird, now that I tried again it works.. one min
13:00 fenderson ok great :)
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13:01 Carmageddon yup works, I duno a Flux I guess :)
13:01 mushi hi all
13:01 fenderson :)
13:01 fenderson hi mushi
13:01 mushi just to share with you, i've to uninstall strawberry perl and install the Padre Standalone package
13:02 mushi hi fenderson
13:02 mushi installing padre using cpan client is taking such a long long time...
13:02 Carmageddon fenderson the next issue I am dealing with is that Padre seem to only work with UTF8, is it possible to force it to work with ANSI?
13:02 fenderson hmm let me see
13:02 mushi so shorter way to install is uninstall my existing strawberry perl and install padre package instead..
13:03 mushi oops you guys are working.. sorry to trouble, cheers, just some note on cpan installion of padre... and the fuss i've been tru.. cheers
13:04 Carmageddon mushi standalone package is 0.62 or so, so you will end up getting latest via cpan and waiting anyway. Besides, cpan does a lot of tests which take a lot of time
13:05 Sewi mushi & Carmageddon: Upgrading is much faster than a first-time-install because many dependencies are still valid
13:05 Sewi Carmageddon: There is a recode function in the edit menu
13:07 fenderson yes Sewi is right
13:07 fenderson Edit -> Convert Encoding
13:08 fenderson i know Hebrew works with UTF8
13:08 fenderson Sewi: right?
13:09 Sewi Everything should work with utf8 in theory#
13:14 Carmageddon fenderson: my problem is that I need to work with ANSI in hebrew
13:14 Carmageddon notUTF8
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13:40 fenderson i dont know if hebrew works with ANSI
13:40 fenderson Carmageddon:
13:45 szabgab fenderson++ # helping Carmageddon !!
13:45 mushi hi i'm trying to install a style in padre
13:45 mushi it won't update , i'm using windows 7
13:45 szabgab Carmageddon: I am not sure what do you mean by Hebrew in ANSI?
13:46 szabgab mushi: how did you try to do it?
13:47 fenderson szabgab: thanks :)
13:49 mushi i put the *yml style inside C:\Users\mushi\AppData\Loc​al\Perl\Padre\styles\*.yml
13:49 daxim "ANSI" is windows-1255
13:49 daxim blame microsoft for not using the IANA assigned name
13:49 mushi and when i click view > style , it shows my new style
13:50 mushi but selected, both (new and earlier selected style)
13:51 szabgab mushi: it shows two styles as being selected?
13:51 szabgab in View/Style/?
13:51 szabgab mushi: oh and it should not be in that place
13:52 szabgab it should be in .padre/styles/  I think
13:52 szabgab whre .padre is your config dire, Help/About will let you know where is your config dir
13:52 Sewi szabgab: I think, C:\Users\mushi\AppData\Local\Perl\Padre is Windows-style for ~/.padre
13:52 szabgab or maybe that is where you put the file, hmm I should go and sleep a bit
13:53 Carmageddon daxim: there is no windows-1255 in convert
13:53 daxim what is convert?
13:54 szabgab daxim: I thik Carmageddon means Edit/Convert Encoding/...
13:54 Carmageddon daxim: edit-> convert
13:54 Carmageddon convert encoding
13:55 daxim that's bug #416
13:55 Hyppolit #416: encode dialog (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/416#comment:3 ]
13:56 mushi szabgab, yes in view/style
13:56 mushi it shows 2 styles
13:57 mushi how do i send a screen capture to you?
13:57 daxim http://imageshack.us
13:58 mushi szabgab C:\Users\mushi\AppData\Local\Perl\Padre is my config dir. (help/about)
14:00 mushi hi can i just raise a request?
14:01 Sewi mushi: Sure
14:01 Sewi Do you want to open a ticket for it?
14:01 mushi let me get the screencap first.
14:02 mushi yeah, how do i open a ticket?
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14:03 Sewi Please use the following link to register with trac
14:03 Sewi register?
14:03 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
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14:05 mushi http://img687.imageshack.us/i/2styles.png/
14:08 mushi anyone know why there showing 2 styles?
14:12 szabgab mushi: that looks like a strange bug
14:13 szabgab my guess would be that the personal stles are using a different group of radio buttons and thus they don't become unique
14:13 szabgab maybe there is even a localization issue, though that seems to be English, right?
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14:14 szabgab mushi: in any case pls, open a ticket and attach the screenshot for explanation
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14:14 Sewi mushi: Did you register?
14:16 Hyppolit #1146: help system with example (reference with autoitscript) (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1146 ]
14:17 mushi yeah just submitted the ticket with a screen cap
14:17 mushi i'll submit the 2 styles as well.
14:19 mushi erm. how do i search the ticket created by me?
14:19 mushi found it "{10} Tickets I reported "
14:22 Hyppolit #1147: windows 7 dual style, import style problem (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1147 ]
14:24 mushi most of the ppl here is padre developer??
14:25 Sewi Most of the people here have trac accounts, many of them commit bits but not everyone is currently developing on Padre.
14:25 szabgab mushi: most of the people here are bots :)
14:25 Sewi yeah, like szabgab and me :-)
14:25 szabgab like our sweethart, Hyppolit
14:26 szabgab :)
14:26 Sewi Hyppolit?
14:26 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.07
14:26 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
14:27 mushi what.. szabgab is bot master.
14:27 szabgab better than being a master bot , I think
14:27 mushi anyway thanks for creating padre. it should be the lastest free ide i know that have a updated syntax.
14:28 mushi syntax highlight i mean.
14:28 szabgab mushi: and we have several translation
14:28 szabgab have you checked out view/Language?
14:29 mushi i'm pretty ok with english. let me try
14:29 mushi yeah checked one.. seems ok, why ask me to check?
14:30 szabgab oh , nothing special
14:30 szabgab just like to show off :
14:30 szabgab :)
14:30 mushi haha, ah~ u're the one doing the translation portion??
14:32 mushi i think open source programmers is very kind and nice.. i think anyone of you deserve the credit.. :)
14:34 mushi szabgab, where are you from?
14:34 szabgab .hu .il
14:34 szabgab I am dual licensed :)
14:35 szabgab that would be Hungary and Israel
14:35 szabgab and you mushi ?
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15:18 Carmageddon How do I create a new project in Padre?
15:18 Carmageddon not just a single fil
15:18 Carmageddon file
15:19 El_Che new - perl distribution
15:19 Sewi everything which has a Makefile.PL or padre.yml in it's directory or a "project root" directory above it
15:19 El_Che (or exisiting projhects are automatically detected)
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15:21 Carmageddon ahh thanks El_Che, following that, I guess Module name is kinda like namespace, and packages will be my classes?
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15:40 Carmageddon El_Che: This is confusing.. because when I create a project like you said, it asks for Module Name, which is like code files, not Namespace like explained here: http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Per​l/Newbies/lecture3/intro/modules.html
15:40 Sewi New distribution is not new project
15:40 Sewi everything could be a project
15:41 Carmageddon hmmm Sewi then how do I structure a project? I want to do some helper classes in perl to parse, encode, etc.. then use main perl script utilizing all the classes together
15:42 Sewi put a padre.yml or Makefile.PL in the "project root" directory = the top directory of the project
15:43 Carmageddon and what should be in that file?
15:43 Sewi doesn't matter
15:44 Carmageddon ok.. made one, now what?
15:45 Carmageddon Sewi?
15:45 Hyppolit Sewi is  and also cheating on ironman
15:46 Sewi You're done. Open or save any file in that directory or in any directory below it
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15:52 Carmageddon Sewi ok made libs folder and saved a file there, but now what? the Makefile is still 0 sized
15:53 Sewi Padre now treats this directory and it's subs as a project
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15:55 Carmageddon but how do I load that project then? do I need to change Workspace for it to notice it?or what?
15:55 Sewi Simply load a file from that project
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15:55 Sewi any file
15:57 Carmageddon Sewi I just did, but nothing happens.. how do I know it now sees a 'project'?
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16:01 Sewi View -> Project browser
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16:02 Carmageddon ahh, thanks! now that is a good start :) I also cant seem to open CPAN window.. going Tools -> Module Tools -> Install CPAN just closes Padre
16:03 Sewi Sorry, don't know, there may still be issues with the CPAN client
16:10 szabgab yeah, we should really fix that
16:11 szabgab if only there was someone who wrote test-cases like fenderson promises
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16:16 fenderson ?
16:16 fenderson i will...
16:19 fenderson szabgab: i started reading the svn book
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16:27 Carmageddon Sewi: I have an ANSI formatted data file, which is displayed ok in Notepad++, is there anyway to properly show it in Padre without ruining it? I can upload somewhere so you can see what Imean
16:28 Sewi sorry, no idea
16:32 szabgab Carmageddon: you could open a ticket with the issue and attach a small version of that file\
16:32 szabgab just make sure no personal or confidential info is in it
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16:35 fenderson szabgab: by the way
16:35 fenderson today ii'm gonna fix all the test cases
16:36 Carmageddon szabgab: I cant register to open ticket.. hehe :P
16:37 Carmageddon pls tell me how
16:38 Sewi register?
16:38 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
16:38 Sewi Click on the url
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17:07 Carmageddon Sewi the ticket system is broken
17:07 Sewi why'?
17:07 Carmageddon I am logged in, wrote the ticket, when I submit, it says I am not logged in :)
17:08 Sewi do you have cookies enabled?
17:08 Carmageddon I tried reloggin, restoring the form data, click create again and the same issue.. so its not timed out session
17:10 Carmageddon yes Sewi I have cookies enabled in chrome.. I see padre.perlide.org have 3 cookies
17:11 Sewi strange
17:11 Carmageddon I'll try different browser
17:14 fenderson Sewi: i did new test case
17:14 fenderson for right margin
17:14 Carmageddon weird I cant even login, Sewi are you able to see my username? that it was created?
17:14 fenderson can you tell me if thats how you expect to see them?
17:16 fenderson why does it look like that
17:16 Sewi fenderson: Give me the link, please
17:16 Sewi Carmageddon: Which username?
17:16 Sewi oh I see it
17:18 Sewi Did you type it with upper case C at the beginning  while login?
17:19 fenderson i dont think so
17:19 fenderson i did it as i did the others
17:19 Sewi fenderson: This was for Carmageddon :)
17:19 fenderson didnt change anything
17:19 fenderson ohh
17:19 fenderson XD :)
17:19 fenderson sorry
17:19 Carmageddon Sewi: username should be carmageddon or Carmageddon
17:19 fenderson http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
17:19 Carmageddon does it exist?
17:19 fenderson Sewi:
17:19 Sewi Carmageddon: yes, with upper case C at the beginning
17:22 Carmageddon nope Sewi not working :(
17:22 Sewi Carmageddon: strange, sorry, don't know what to do now.
17:22 Sewi fenderson: looks good
17:25 fenderson its not in lines
17:25 fenderson i see all the number in 3 lines
17:25 Carmageddon Sewi: can I mail you the info please? and you post it for me then?
17:26 fenderson Sewi:
17:29 Sewi Carmageddon: Better we get your account working
17:29 Carmageddon of course, but I gotta go home :(
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17:30 Sewi ping szabgab
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18:37 fenderson how do i set keyboard shortcut?
18:40 fenderson on padre
18:40 fenderson i'm trying to set shortcut for wordwrap feature
18:41 fenderson tools-> preferences advance
18:41 fenderson didnt work
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19:05 fenderson bug -> current line color
19:05 fenderson cant change
19:08 Sewi Please check the source if custom shortcuts are enabled yet
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21:08 fenderson szabgab: are you there?
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