Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-03-08

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00:12 Hyppolit svn: r13941 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13941
00:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
00:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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04:35 Hyppolit svn: r13942 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13942
04:35 Hyppolit tidy tidy
04:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/lib/Padre/Plugin/
04:37 Hyppolit svn: r13943 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13943
04:37 Hyppolit add more entries to the tidy manager dialog
04:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy​/lib/Padre/Plugin/PerlTidy/
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04:57 azawawi good morning
04:57 * azawawi starts trying to compile wxwidgets stc
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07:23 azawawi hi!
07:39 Sewi hi azawawi
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07:39 Sewi Should our Scintilla version go into the release?
07:40 azawawi Sewi: this release? most probably not
07:41 Sewi any relaase. We might upgrade the locally installed version, don't we?
07:41 azawawi Sewi: Yeah that's my goal
07:41 azawawi Sewi: i took a look at wxWidgets stc contrib package in 2.8.11
07:41 azawawi Sewi: and compared it with 2.9.1 version
07:42 Sewi This may cause problems with customizes versions...
07:42 Sewi I just wanted to mention it :-)
07:42 azawawi Sewi: so far just scintilla folder upgrade + other files for xcode and others
07:42 azawawi customized version?
07:44 Sewi Anybody who upgraded/installed the module manually.
07:45 azawawi Sewi: could you give me an example/scenario?
07:46 azawawi Sewi: what im thinking of after reading the stc code so far
07:48 azawawi Sewi: get that 2.8.11 contrib/stc package. Compile it against an upgraded scintilla and patch the wx/stc shared library after backing it up
07:49 szabgab azawawi: does that mean we will require the usages of wx exactly at version 2.8.11 ?
07:49 szabgab or that we will say "if you use 2.8.11 here is a patch if you want"
07:49 azawawi szabgab: yeah initially
07:50 waxhead evening
07:50 waxhead szabgab, when do you want to roll out a release?
07:50 azawawi szabgab: but we will offer patches for 2.9.1 and 2.8.x ofcourse
07:50 * waxhead is cooking dinner so will be in and out
07:50 * azawawi installs perl-5.13.10 for fun
07:50 waxhead perlbrew rocks
07:51 azawawi it doesnt work on win32 :( but overall perlbrew++ :)
07:51 szabgab I have not toired it yet
07:51 szabgab how does it handle if I already use local::lib ?
07:52 Sewi azawawi: Just mentioning that we're working in a namespace outside Padre::...
07:52 szabgab setting PERL5LIB
07:52 azawawi Sewi: the Wx::Scintilla namespace... yeah i know
07:52 azawawi Sewi: it will work out eventually :)
07:55 azawawi szabgab: i was thinking yesterday of the possibilities of a new stc... a fast Perl 6 lexer :)
07:56 azawawi szabgab: i wrote an Apache conf scite lexer a long time ago... it was my first open source contribution...
07:58 szabgab azawawi: fast and perl 6, isn't that an oxymoron ?  :)
07:59 azawawi szabgab: when written in c++ everything is fast compared to other interpreted stuff :)
08:00 azawawi szabgab: STD is good for compiling not highlighting...
08:01 azawawi szabgab: i wish i listened to PerlJam++ long time ago :)
08:02 szabgab azawawi: I am plannning to factor out our F2 help to an an external module called Code::Explain
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08:02 szabgab an then to have Code::Explain::Perl5 and Code::Explain::Perl6
08:02 szabgab see:
08:02 szabgab p5: $_
08:02 Hyppolit Default variable
08:03 azawawi szabgab: sure im planning a better F1 help after the scintilla upgrade :)
08:04 azawawi szabgab: wxhtmlwindow sucks
08:04 azawawi szabgab: i think we should to re-use the browser and fire up a documentation server
08:04 azawawi szabgab: s/to re-use/use/
08:05 azawawi szabgab: it is so limiting
08:06 * azawawi starts thinking evil plans about Padre in a browser... :)
08:09 szabgab azawawi: I think we should unite the F1 and F2 helps
08:09 szabgab they are just confusing people
08:09 azawawi ...you'll be astonished by how much chrome and FireFox leaks on single-page & large JavaScript applications
08:10 azawawi ... and HTML DOM leaks a lot especially those <IMG src="..."> tags on chrome
08:11 * azawawi stops thinking :)
08:11 azawawi szabgab: true we've been neglecting that a lot
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08:38 El_Che lo
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08:39 azawawi El_Che: hi
08:42 El_Che nice catch yesterday :)
08:45 azawawi first time i switched back so easily. My mind must be starting to think in Perl :)
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08:45 waxhead p5: grep()
08:45 Hyppolit Not found
08:45 waxhead p5: grep
08:45 Hyppolit Not found
08:45 waxhead p5: $/
08:45 Hyppolit Not found
08:47 * waxhead is impressed with the java to perl context switch
08:47 waxhead azawawi++
08:48 waxhead blacks ops!!!
08:48 azawawi I should buy "Modern Perl".. my Perl bookshelf is obsolete
08:52 azawawi Has anyone here read "Modern Perl" ? :)
08:52 azawawi s/has/did
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09:07 El_Che yeah
09:07 El_Che It was nice
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09:18 user_2796 hi
09:19 El_Che hi
09:19 user_2796 is it possible to have aoutocomplete on methods in external packages?
09:19 Sewi1 hi user_2796
09:19 Sewi1 yes and no :-)
09:19 Sewi1 Autocomplete is defined in the mime type modul
09:19 Sewi1 is now known as Sewi
09:20 user_2796 ok.. thanks
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09:20 Sewi You could add modules for mime types which don't have their own easily...
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09:22 user_2796 but which module do I have to install?
09:23 user_2796 Padre::Mimetypes?
09:23 Sewi Which file type do you want to change?
09:24 user_2796 I want to have aoutocomplete on methods in objects
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09:26 zenog_ hi
09:26 user_2796 Like if I do "my $mech = WWW::Mechanize->new()", is it possible to have autocomplete on the methods in $mech?
09:26 Sewi Look at Padre/Document/Perl.pm
09:26 Sewi It's possible but not easy to do.
09:26 zenog_ Sewi: I think user_2796 means Perl programming, it does not have anything to do with the MIME types.
09:27 Sewi If you want to do this, we'ld be happy if you'ld submit this patch for the Padre core.
09:27 Sewi zenog: Padre treats document types as mime types internally.
09:28 zenog_ So in this case, the "autocomplete" method would need to be extended.
09:28 Sewi zenog: You're right, it's more Document types than MIME types, but MIME types is a better description for talking about it :)
09:29 zenog_ Sewi: agreed
09:29 zenog_ Padre::Document::Perl::autocomplete is a bit of a monster, but still nicely structured into paragraphs ...
09:30 zenog_ user_2796: Have a look at it and think about where your code would fit in (if you have the time).
09:31 Sewi user_2796: It's getting really bad if you have some $self->{www} = WWW::Mechanize->new; and use $self->{www} in another method or even use $obj->{www} in another file :-)
09:31 zenog_ user_2796: You can find code to extract functions from code in Padre::Document::Perl::FunctionList
09:32 zenog_ Sewi, user_2796: To make it 100% is hard, but one could trade precision vs. recall a bit.
09:32 zenog_ e.g. offer all functions from all imported packages for each object.
09:33 zenog_ That is of course too much, but it may still help ...
09:33 zenog_ Of course it would be nice to still prune it a bit ...
09:35 zenog_ ... that's the problem of having a dynamic/weak type systems ... writing tools for that is harder than with static/strong typing.
09:38 zenog_ user_2796: If you do not have the time to work on that, you could still submit a ticket/feature request about this (if it does not exist yet)
09:38 azawawi zenog_: I agree. A background PPI indexer is needed for installed modules so that when you type "WWW::Mechanize" you can easily find out what possible methods are inside that namespace. Ofcourse we need also to include subclassed methods
09:39 azawawi zenog_: it will be slow but should be executed once maybe when the help indexer does it run on installed modules
09:39 zenog_ azawawi: Is PPI capable of doing such things?
09:39 azawawi zenog_: it can find out subs easily
09:40 azawawi zenog_: and more reliably than regex
09:40 azawawi zenog_: but you need to parse @ISA and use parent stuff to find out the parent
09:40 zenog_ azawawi: Ah, but can it also find out what class a variable belongs to? This is harder, I guess.
09:41 azawawi zenog_: i saw a netbeans helpful trick once for jruby support
09:41 azawawi zenog_: basically you need to track stuff a bit for $self->{www}
09:42 azawawi zenog_: and you also have ofcourse Class::XSAccessor stuff
09:42 azawawi zenog_: the problem with parsing all that is the different syntax you need to support
09:42 azawawi zenog_: Moose, Object::Tiny, ..etc
09:43 zenog_ azawawi: Yeah, and you never can be really sure: $self->{something} may have been modified somewhere else ...
09:43 azawawi zenog_: ofcourse
09:43 zenog_ azawawi: But I guess one could cover most cases.
09:43 zenog_ ... without being 100% accurate.
09:43 azawawi zenog_: you can cover most but not 100%
09:44 user_2796 Ok, it would be really neat with aoutocomplete on methods, but maybe its to complicated
09:44 user_2796 Thanks any way
09:44 azawawi zenog_: but then again cover even 10% and saving the programmer's time is always better :)
09:45 El_Che a lot of noice about OO in perl
09:45 El_Che good
09:45 zenog_ azawawi: correct.
09:45 El_Che I contributed to the noise on my blog :)
09:45 azawawi El_Che: chromatic++
09:46 El_Che idd
09:46 zenog_ El_Che: you have a new post?
09:46 El_Che Mine was before chromatic :)
09:46 El_Che http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/perl-co​re-documentation-and-moose-aka-can-of-worms/
09:47 user_2796 I'm surpriced about the whole thing with Padre, I thought Perl was dying
09:47 user_2796 But now I have second thoughts
09:47 El_Che user_2796: we are enojoying a renaissance :)
09:47 El_Che user_2796: a *lot* of new projects
09:47 szabgab user_2796: care to change your nick name ?
09:47 azawawi El_Che: and Class::MOP in core... come on... let us do 010101 instead to create a method :)
09:47 szabgab type /nick my_real_nick
09:47 El_Che user_2796: and a "modern perl" wave
09:48 user_2796 is now known as dud380
09:48 szabgab way better, thanks :)
09:48 dud380 your welcome :)
09:48 szabgab so where did you hear that "perl is dying" ?
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09:49 azawawi El_Che: Dynamic languages should be by default higher level than static to make my life as a programmer easier :)
09:49 dud380 I got that impression, most programmers I know dont like/use Perl
09:49 zenog_ dud380: If you are interested in writing modern Perl (the non-dying stuff), have a look at the book "Modern Perl" by chromatic: http://www.onyxneon.com/bo​oks/modern_perl/index.html
09:50 dud380 Ok, I'll have a look at it
09:50 zenog_ dud380: You can also have a look at Moose, Perl Dancer, etc.
09:50 dud380 ok
09:51 szabgab dud380: so I wonder where did you find Padre?
09:51 dud380 But the real strength with Perl is CPAN I think
09:51 El_Che azawawi: we are *extremely* good at making things easy for the programmer
09:51 dud380 There's nothing like that in other languages
09:51 El_Che compare regex on perl and java
09:52 El_Che it's weird we need boilerplate for oo
09:52 dud380 Java is crap, especially now in the hands of Oracle
09:52 szabgab I'd like to have a perl() function in perl
09:52 szabgab in perl 5 I mean
09:52 Hyppolit svn: r13944 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13944
09:52 Hyppolit more tooltips for 'Open Resource', tidied comments
09:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
09:53 szabgab zenog_: I think these tooltip strings could/should be integrated with the Actions
09:53 zenog_ szabgab: You mean like in Perl 6? Actually, I do not really like the name of that function/method ...
09:53 El_Che dud380: I may be unorthodox in this, but I don't think java is crap
09:53 szabgab and then we could / should generate html files and help out of those strings
09:53 El_Che dud380: verbose, yes.
09:53 zenog_ szabgab: In which way? The action descriptions? It is a bit hard to do, because tooltips are about very specific GUI elements.
09:53 szabgab zenog_: yes that kind of perl()
09:54 dud380 El_Che: Ok
09:54 El_Che dud380: e.g., I find writing threaded programs in java pretty straightforward
09:55 El_Che dud380: but it does not have CPAN :)
09:55 szabgab zenog_: yeah, I don't exactly know how to do it but I am quites ure we would like to 1) reuse these strings in the GUI 2) search them somehow  3) provide them in external documentation
09:55 szabgab I just had to shrink my screen from 22" to 17"
09:56 szabgab as the 22" went blank
09:56 zenog_ szabgab: If I would not know what it does, I would think that "perl()" is something like "eval".
09:56 zenog_ szabgab: In Python, they have "repr", which does a similar thing.
09:56 szabgab zenog_: I could live it being called Dumper
09:56 dud380 El_Che: Java is a good idea, but it's to slow ;)
09:57 zenog_ dud380: Java is much much faster than Perl, Python, Ruby, etc. for the things that I do mostly ...
09:57 szabgab oh and I managed to kill the Linux smoke server yesterday
09:57 szabgab but now I restared it
09:58 szabgab as I understand Java itself is fast, the "frameworks" that everyone is using are bloated and slow
09:58 Sewi zenog: Java could be slower. (Some|Many) people using Java don't seem to know how to use it correctly - and many Java apps are really slow.
09:59 szabgab and now I need to try to replace my router before that dies on me too
09:59 Hyppolit #1138: Padre server not working (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1138#comment:7 ]
09:59 zenog_ Alias: Are you aware of 1138? If you have any hint about what is going wrong there, or where I could start to fix this, I'd give it a try ...
10:07 zenog_ I did not know that one could select several resources at once, I only saw it when reading the source code.
10:08 zenog_ Because of that, I added the tooltips.
10:08 zenog_ One could also think about renaming the feature to "Open Resources". That would make it clearer to the user.
10:08 zenog_ Any thoughts on that?
10:19 El_Che azawawi: anyway, put a comment on those blogs. Noise is good
10:19 azawawi El_Che: sure
10:20 szabgab zenog_: tooltips explainig things are good
10:20 szabgab I'll take a look how we might be able to reuse them
10:22 El_Che azawawi: if perl 5 fixes OO (Moose), Exception handling (Try::Tiny) and LWP threading (??), there is no need to wait the finalizing of perl 6 :)
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10:24 azawawi El_Che: imho, we're stuck in a philosophical problem... batteries-included vs... and a very slow deprecation process like in Java
10:24 El_Che idd
10:24 azawawi El_Che: p5p has a lot of people that still believe a browser is not needed at all...
10:24 El_Che but 2011 is not 1996
10:25 El_Che OO is not what I consider batteries
10:25 El_Che look like a pretty core language feature
10:25 azawawi El_Che: yeah but they consider it that...
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10:26 El_Che yeah, I know :(
10:26 El_Che I read the perldoc/web spinoff discussion
10:26 zenog_ szabgab: What do you think about renaming the dialog to the plural form?
10:26 zenog_ azawawi: Same question?
10:26 El_Che I am a hardcore unix guy, but I use the perldoc website a *lot*
10:26 zenog_ El_Che: also ...
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10:27 szabgab zenog_: neither of us are English speakers
10:27 zenog_ El_Che: me too, I am so much used to a web browser that I do not always want to use the command line.
10:27 zenog_ szabgab: Yes, but you are also humans and have expectations about features ;-)
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10:27 El_Che mind you, the man pages must stay, once in a while they are needed
10:28 El_Che but when developing on a workstation I want linked docs
10:28 zenog_ El_Che: yeah, if there is not internet connection ...
10:28 azawawi Everything that saves programmers time is worth being in core
10:28 Sewi El_Che: Sorry, but I prefer the speed of "man perlfunc" and others :)
10:28 zenog_ El_Che: otoh, there is no reason why manpages should not be linked ...
10:29 El_Che Sewi: there is a difference between prefer and "the web is stupid"
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10:30 Sewi sure :-)
10:31 azawawi Sewi: Every age has its tools. Maybe in 1996 'man' was great but now the browser usability is way too much to resist :)
10:31 El_Che it's a pretty egocentric view by some people on p5p
10:31 El_Che I don't mine running cpanm to install Moose
10:31 El_Che but what will a newbie do?
10:31 El_Che will he know that there is something more than bless?
10:31 El_Che where will he look? perldoc?
10:31 azawawi El_Che: nothing, simply switch to another more newbie friendly language :)
10:32 El_Che I learnt java out of frustration with bless
10:32 azawawi El_Che: i hate bless...
10:33 El_Che I tried PBP inside-out hashes for a while, but I never felt that I grasped, even after all that typing
10:33 El_Che I hear that even the author abandoned that
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10:47 zenog_ hey, if there are Perl/PostgreSQL developers in the UK hanging out here, there is an open position: http://retout.co.uk/blog/20​11/03/06/software_architect
10:50 azawawi zenog_: thanks
11:17 szabgab back from screen hunting
11:17 szabgab I now have a 24" screen
11:17 szabgab size matters
11:17 szabgab now I think I can stop using applications in full screen mode
11:18 szabgab the question, can I tab through sets of applications ?
11:30 Hyppolit #1138: Padre single instance server not working (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1138#comment:8 ]
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11:45 fenderson hi :)
11:46 fenderson szabgab: finally i fixed the problem
11:46 fenderson it was the wireless card
12:11 Hyppolit svn: r13945 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13945
12:11 Hyppolit Fix #1078: Open Resource should find things like 'Wx:.Dialog' (ZENOG)
12:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:11 zenog_ this is an initial fix for 1078. I will make the code more elegant later this afternoon, do not worry ;-)
12:11 zenog_ anyway, feedback and testing welcome!
12:12 Hyppolit #1078: Open Resource should also find things like "Wx:.Dialog" (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1078#comment:1 ]
12:12 Hyppolit svn: r13946 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13946
12:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
12:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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12:15 Carmageddon guys, I have a problem: when I hit F5 to run script, I get error: fileparse(): need valid pathname at c:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/Padre/Document/Perl.pm at line 322
12:15 zenog_ Carmageddon: which version of Padre?
12:15 Carmageddon I havve 0.82 of course.. I am not sure what that error means
12:17 zenog_ Carmageddon: you could add a warning that prints the argument of fileparse() in line 322 of that file to see what it is ...
12:18 zenog_ lo-tech debugging ;-)
12:18 Carmageddon lol, sec
12:18 zenog_ cu later &
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12:19 szabgab fenderson: see the fix of zenog and test it please
12:21 azawawi zenog++ # improving "Open Resource" dialog
12:27 El_Che the copy paste-problem of padre is annoying
12:37 kaare yep
12:37 kaare I guess it comes from Wx?
12:42 El_Che I thnik so
12:54 Hyppolit svn: r13947 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13947
12:54 Hyppolit add hotkeys to session manager window
12:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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13:42 zenog Carmageddon: Can you insert 'warn "$filename\n"; before the line "my $type = "run_${arg}_args_" . File::Basename::fileparse($filename);" and tell us the output?
13:50 zenog Carmageddon: Does it happen with every script?
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14:12 Carmageddon one min zenog, Padre got stuck when I tried to wrte there print $filename;  on the ; it got stuck :) I was afk.. one min
14:18 Carmageddon lol while I was afk Padre reached 1.8gb ram usage.. I was barely able to terminate it :D
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15:01 Hyppolit svn: r13948 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13948
15:01 Hyppolit Open Resources: further filtering improvements
15:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
15:15 zenog It would be really nice if we could use the smart match operator in Padre ...
15:16 szabgab zenog: bring it up on the mailing list, let's see if there are people agains requirng 5.10
15:17 szabgab oh I think last time when this came up we said we need easy bianry packaging and then we can do it
15:18 zenog szabgab: OK, will try ;-)
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15:25 * azawawi is happy with current Wx::Scintilla progress :)
15:26 zenog azawawi++
15:26 azawawi compilation success... Now the dll / perl XS binding need to be refreshed somehow...
15:26 Hyppolit svn: r13949 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13949
15:26 Hyppolit 'Open Resource': set focus to text field on character input in the list box
15:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
15:27 azawawi zenog: btw, a word of warnings... focus behaves differently on different platforms
15:27 azawawi zenog: s/warnings/warning/
15:28 azawawi hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning i could run an upgraded scintilla on Padre seamlessly
15:29 zenog azawawi: Will send an e-mail to the mailing list so that people test that ...
15:29 azawawi zenog: cool
15:29 azawawi playing with XS makes you crazy... :)
15:41 Hyppolit svn: r13950 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13950
15:41 Hyppolit rename 'Open Resource' to 'Open Resources'
15:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
15:42 szabgab zenog: I se you voted and won the vote :)
15:43 * azawawi heading home to finish Wx::Scintilla :) &
15:43 zenog azawawi++ azawawi++ azawawi++
15:44 zenog szabgab: Yes, I won, but it I will revert it if people think it is the wrong way.
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15:44 azawawi the thing im missing is how to deal with Alien::wxWidgets linkage to system wxwidgets libs
15:44 szabgab zenog: that's how we get to flip-flop development
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15:45 zenog szabgab: hehe, better some flip-flop development than no movement at all in repository :-P
15:46 Hyppolit svn: r13951 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13951
15:46 Hyppolit fix tab order in 'Open Resources'
15:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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15:50 zenog ... so, enough for now, see you later guys &
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16:12 Hyppolit svn: r13952 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13952
16:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
16:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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17:39 user_7005 I am getting a message that I cannot open a file as it is over the arbitrary file size limit of Padre which is 500000. How can I open the file apart from chopping into smaller pieces until I can refactor it?
17:41 zenog user_7005: You can set the file size in the advanced preferences dialog
17:43 zenog user_7005: Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced... -> editor_file_size_limit
17:43 user_7005 Thanks that solved my problem, I had not paged down far enough.
17:44 zenog user_7005: In the Advanced Preferences dialog, you can also use the filter to search for specific settings.
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17:47 user_7005 When I do "Check for common beginner errors" it refers to line 26719 but my file only has 20525 lines. (it says chomp does not return the chomped value but modifies the variable given as argument
17:48 zenog user_7005: In your large file?
17:48 zenog user_7005: you can use /nick YourName in your the irc client to change your name.
17:49 zenog user_7005: This sounds like a bug.
17:50 zenog user_7005: Is the file you have something private, or can you post it somewhere so that we can see what's the problem?
17:50 zenog user_7005: Can you try to construct a smaller example where there is the same problem?
17:59 user_7005 This file: http://guiguts.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/guigut​s/trunk/guiguts.pl?revision=369&amp;view=markup
18:02 zenog user_7005: If I open the Trac registration, could you add a ticket about this bug?
18:03 zenog user_7005: I get the error for line 13360
18:06 zenog user_7005: But it is still wrong there, there is nothing wrong with chomp at that place, plus it is in line 13361.
18:07 user_7005 That is what I see
18:08 Hyppolit #534: Make beginner-error checks cool (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/534#comment:2 ]
18:09 Hyppolit #648: beginner error: do not use $a and $b outside of sort (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/648#comment:1 ]
18:15 zenog user_7005: Did you try the syntax check feature, and the function list feature?
18:15 zenog user_7005: They may also help you, and they are (I guess) in a better shape than the "check for common beginner errors" feature.
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18:18 zenog hi bowtie
18:22 bowtie zenog: hi, in the process of trying to use Padre for lets say newer staff, as eclipse is such a pig of a thing, but great once mastered
18:24 zenog bowtie: cool
18:24 bowtie I have an observation for you, I have found that deleting .padre ie config files and recreating, seams to make ide more stable, discuss
18:26 zenog bowtie: OK. Can you elaborate? Like specific behaviour?
18:26 zenog bowtie: I have not deleted my config files for quite a long time and it seems fine. But maybe I use different settings ...
18:26 daxim yes, agree, whenever I have funny crashes or display rendering, first I move the existing conf dir out of the way, that helps in most cases
18:27 zenog daxim, bowtie: Also those Gdk-Pixbuf crashes?
18:27 daxim haven't seen that
18:30 bowtie zenog: yes, if you create a project with mod::install then a perl5 file say, now you add an octothorpe # then losts of junk ie press a single key down, sonner or latter padre hangs or crashes, same with the delete key, for deleting bolcks of data with backspace.
18:32 bowtie do you have ticket # for Gdk-Pixbuf for me to read, please.
18:33 zenog #1030
18:33 Hyppolit #1030: strange irregular crashes (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1030#comment:2 ]
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18:46 bowtie zenog: ok read that, is there a verbose switch ie -v  or --verbose, opps just found --reset, gosh do you need some documentation, if only to enable people to use common feature names whilst on irc.
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19:07 bowtie zenog: ok read that, is there a verbose switch ie -v  or --verbose, opps just found --reset, gosh do you need some documentation, if only to enable people to use common feature names whilst on irc.
19:14 bowtie zenog: if you had a -v switch it would enable us mere mortals to assist you with padre generated messages.
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20:14 bowtie zenog: just found this, I will give it a try... # HACK: Uncomment this to locate difficult-to-find crashes
20:14 bowtie #       that are throw silent exceptions.
20:14 bowtie # local $SIG{__DIE__} = sub { print @_; die $_[0] };
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20:38 bowtie zenog: what fun this is, found some missing dependency, looked for Makefile.PL to check, but not there in 0.82 live code??
20:44 bowtie zenog: when i use ppi => Can't call method "editor" without a package or object reference at /Padre/Document/Perl/PPILexer.pm line 16.
20:44 bowtie hope this helps
20:47 azawawi bowtie: i think that was fixed in trunk by szabgab a couple of days ago
20:52 bowtie azawawi: I will check svn and report back shortly
20:52 azawawi bowtie: thanks
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21:09 Hyppolit svn: r13953 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13953
21:09 Hyppolit Added old wxWidgets 2.8.11 contrib/stc folder mainly for safe keeping and experimenting. compile.pl compiles them but still I am having problems with the final DLL...
21:09 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/wx/stc/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/stc/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/stc/scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintil​la/src/stc/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/stc/scintil
21:12 azawawi will continue on it tomorrow ... i think extutils::cbuilder is doing more harm than good
21:12 azawawi good night &
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21:19 bowtie azawawi: r13952 is good for me hope this helps.
21:19 Hyppolit Changeset #13952 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13952
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