Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-03-09

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00:30 Alias We need to sort out our server strategy
00:54 Getty which one?
00:54 Alias The Padre Cloud
00:54 Alias i.e. Bits of stuff on a server that supports the client
00:55 Alias Registration, Sync, Popularity Contest, maybe plugin and upgrade notification
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01:45 Oesor I'm getting 18 tests failing during a make test on Padre 0.82 on strawberry perl 5.12.1 x64 on win7 x64:
01:45 Oesor http://pastebin.com/1yuUEHEP
01:46 Oesor I did force install on the Win32::API dependency due to issues with that running under 64 bit,
01:46 Oesor Would that be the likely cause of the perl-syntax.t failures or would something else be going on?
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06:47 szabgab Oesor: I think we had some issues with 64 bit
06:47 szabgab Oesor: there were some fixes in trunk since 0.82 was released, would you like to try that?
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09:54 El_Che what the Wx-Scintilla dir in svn? did someone took it over?
09:54 azawawi that's my experimental area
09:54 zenog azawawi++ is working on scintilla integration ;-)
09:54 azawawi zenog: nice stats :)
09:57 El_Che really? would this mean that ~ and //= won't break syntax highlighting?
09:58 azawawi El_Che: yup and all these fixes http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/wxWidgets#T​helatestversionsofwxPerlwxWidgetsandScintilla (see the list below)
10:00 El_Che mexican wave!
10:00 El_Che I guess if we take your games away you would release Perl 6 in two weeks :)
10:00 azawawi hmmm
10:01 El_Che ok, 3
10:01 azawawi Perl 6 is too complicated for anyone to release :)
10:01 azawawi You can take like 2 weeks to read the docs alone...
10:01 azawawi sorry the spec
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10:02 El_Che my C book (The C programming Language) is 272 pages including the language, exercises, the standard library and index :)
10:03 El_Che I have a Beginning C++ next to it that is a lot bigger :)
10:06 azawawi zenog: what's interesting is that RHEL 6 lags even in python 2.6.5...
10:07 El_Che You'en up compiling or rolling out your own for things you really care (putting my devop cap on)
10:10 azawawi El_Che: im dropping games all together... too much time wasted
10:11 waxhead howdy all
10:11 El_Che one of my first linux screensavers had this as text: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_wor​k_and_no_play_makes_Jack_a_dull_boy- :)
10:12 El_Che hi wax
10:12 azawawi waxhead: hi there
10:16 zenog waxhead: hi
10:16 waxhead hey guys..
10:16 waxhead I see you've been busy.. :)
10:16 zenog plenty more on the agenda, given enough free time ;-)
10:16 waxhead cool.. :)
10:17 waxhead svn
10:17 waxhead svn?
10:17 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/DownloadRepository and also http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/ and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser
10:18 szabgab hey waxhead !
10:18 waxhead hey szabgab
10:19 szabgab what about deciding on a schedule for releases?
10:19 fenderson hey
10:19 fenderson can someone tell me
10:19 szabgab instead of the ad-hoc-ish way we have been doing lately?
10:19 fenderson why is it that when i do a bug report
10:20 fenderson it says that its padre version 0.82
10:20 fenderson and when i open padre with dev i see padre version 0.83
10:20 Sewi fenderson: You're using trunk which is not a released version.
10:20 waxhead fenderson, the dev cycle is odd, release is even
10:21 waxhead szabgab, you want a schedule for releases?
10:21 waxhead how long do you want between releases?
10:21 Sewi When you're using Padre from trunk, the 0.83 should be read as "this will/might be released as 0.83"
10:21 fenderson ok i get it
10:21 szabgab waxhead: would 2 weeks be ok?
10:21 fenderson so 1 more thing
10:21 waxhead a release every 2 weeks?
10:21 fenderson why is it. when i open padre with padre command
10:21 fenderson i see version 0.80
10:22 waxhead fenderson, likely that's the installed version
10:22 Sewi I vote against fixed cycles. We'ld do releases without major changes and also might block development if someone is waiting for a release to break things in trunk (like adam did latelay)
10:22 szabgab start a release every 2 weeks, give it a week in the freezer and then release
10:22 waxhead same.. I've always thought release when ready was a better way to go
10:23 waxhead otherwise, alot of constant releases with small changes is just annoying...
10:23 waxhead IMHO
10:23 waxhead I'm happy to do it... but don't see much benefit for it.
10:23 szabgab I am not into fixed dates but I think we should provide people with some expectation
10:24 waxhead szabgab, but what about when the dev frenzy drops off and things slow?
10:24 waxhead isn't that just setting a false expectation?
10:25 szabgab when people run out of tuits for improving padre then they won't be around to fix issues on the release branch or help you with the release
10:25 Alias I'm happy with the current tempo
10:26 Alias Between about 2 weeks and a month depending on how much work is being done
10:26 waxhead same.. it allows the people who are making a difference to work as they want to
10:26 szabgab a month or more between releases ?
10:26 waxhead we can make releases when ever we like, large or small, but better to be complete than "rushed" to meet a time frame
10:26 waxhead szabgab, only because the tempo itself has dropped off somewhat
10:27 Alias There was 5 weeks between 0.72 and 0.74
10:27 Alias 3 weeks is the average recently
10:27 waxhead when things are moving fairly quick and solidifying as well, we can release sooner
10:27 waxhead which isn't too bad
10:27 Alias Our running average is about 3 weeks
10:27 szabgab ok, whatever, so how can I know now when is the next release due?
10:27 waxhead I generally just ask when people think trunk is ready..
10:28 Alias Look at the Changes file? :)
10:28 waxhead irc  ? :)
10:28 Alias Just wait another 3 weeks?
10:28 Alias It's not exactly a long wait
10:28 waxhead the dev list when the email comes out asking for translators?
10:28 Alias Big difference from having a 3-9 month release cycle
10:28 Alias Or a 6 month to 2 year cycle
10:29 waxhead wow.. so how do people feel about the next release??? lots of changes
10:29 * waxhead just checked the Changes file
10:29 szabgab see :)
10:29 waxhead azawawi, shall I mention that you are working on the scintilla update in the next release annoucement?
10:29 Alias I'm happy with "around a page of Changes"
10:29 Alias :)
10:30 Alias Don't announce things until they work, as a general rule
10:30 szabgab Alias: we have different screen sizes :)
10:30 waxhead but nothing major outstanding to prevent branching
10:30 Alias It makes people not get the current one and wait
10:30 waxhead or anything anyone wants to get done before the the next release
10:30 Alias My Padre timeslice is done for the moment
10:31 szabgab it raises expectations and then we will underdeliver
10:31 Alias I'm off on POE::Declare and PITA until after the QA hackathon probably
10:31 szabgab better to promise little and over deliver
10:31 Alias And my little Padre stuff is in plugins
10:31 Alias The wxFormBuilder stuff is coming along pretty good
10:31 Alias I think there's enough implementation done to reimplement the Preferences dialog
10:31 azawawi waxhead: sure :)
10:32 Alias Which would be awesome, since it means look and feel people can fiddle with it to make it more understandable without having to do much coding
10:32 szabgab BTW on the Windows smoke server we have Win32::GUITest
10:32 szabgab running the t/win32 tests
10:32 waxhead Alias, I saw the commit and annoucement in irc the other day...
10:32 waxhead well done
10:32 waxhead I need to get back to look at it again
10:32 Alias It's far from being done properly
10:33 Alias But the range of objects it supports is finally starting to look vaguely complete
10:33 Alias And I can start working on the features of the actual plugin dialog
10:33 waxhead azawawi, sorry.. won't mention it until you're further along.. :)
10:33 waxhead Alias, what QA hackathon?
10:33 Alias I'm getting more and more tempted to suggest we merge in wxWidgets and FormBuilder to the core, once they are done
10:33 Alias waxhead: The one in Amsterdam in April
10:34 waxhead you going over for it?
10:34 Alias Sure
10:34 * waxhead does release testing on trunk
10:34 waxhead sweet!!!!
10:34 Alias They can usually find someone to sponsor me
10:34 waxhead you hacking on POE?
10:34 Alias PITA, not POE directly
10:34 Alias PITA needs a specialised async component
10:34 szabgab waxhead: if the release testing fails we need to fix the smoke tester so it will find it
10:35 Alias And I've been working on this POE::Declare thing for a while
10:35 waxhead PITA???
10:35 Alias So I'm taking the opportunity to build some pocos on it
10:35 Alias Let me find the talk
10:35 waxhead WTF.. that's a terrible acronym! :)
10:35 waxhead PITA
10:35 Alias It's intentional :)
10:35 waxhead pain in the arse???
10:35 Alias pita_server start
10:35 Alias It's a smoke server tool
10:35 Alias Of sorts
10:36 Alias And running smoke servers is always kinda annoying
10:36 Alias :)
10:36 Alias Plus, nobody wants to call their project a PITA, so all the package names are free in Debian
10:36 Alias And it's hard to find a good four letter unused p acronym these days :)
10:36 szabgab waxhead: I'll answer on the mailing list as well, but in short that release candidate tarball is a bad idea, IMHO
10:36 Alias And it's most definitely not an easy system to implement
10:36 waxhead fine by me
10:36 Alias It's pretty ambitious :)
10:37 szabgab it can just create confusion of which file is which
10:37 Alias waxhead: In it's full form, it's sort of a cross between CPAN Testers and SETI@Home
10:37 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "test fail under RELEASE_TESTING" (9 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/91912
10:38 waxhead szabgab, the files and version would get set to 0.84-RC1
10:38 waxhead szabgab, check the fail.. granted it on my side, but this is new since last release
10:39 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "more fails" (19 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/91913
10:39 waxhead RELEASE_TESTING=1 fails here
10:40 waxhead outer ear...
10:41 Alias Nothing particularly fantastic in Changes, but there's a fair whack of good solid performance and stability improvements
10:41 Alias Looks like it's time to release to me
10:42 azawawi waxhead: Let us mention that work has started on that front. That puts pressure on me to finish it :)
10:43 azawawi +1 for a stable release :)
10:44 Alias No need to do a release tarball
10:44 Alias Can't cpanm install from a svn http path?
10:45 szabgab cpan . can
10:46 szabgab before the release branch I'd like to fix the smoke tester to start failing :)
10:46 szabgab and then fix the code so the smoke server stops failing again
10:46 szabgab so we won't have to deal with this again right before the branching
10:48 szabgab waxhead: in the evening I'll take a look at the smoke server and make it fail so hopefully by tomoorw morning you will be able to create a clean branch
10:53 fenderson szabgab: can i help somehow?
10:55 szabgab sure, you can keep writing the test-cases and then once waxhead creates the branch you can manual test it
10:57 zenog fenderson: Which platform will you test on?
11:02 Hyppolit svn: r13954 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13954
11:02 Hyppolit update German translation
11:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:03 Hyppolit svn: r13955 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13955
11:03 Hyppolit shorter descriptions (+more from a user perspective) for the window title and statusbar config options
11:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:05 fenderson zenog: platform =?
11:05 fenderson operation system ?
11:21 zenog fenderson: yes
11:27 fenderson ubuntu 10.19
11:27 fenderson 10.10
11:28 zenog okay
11:28 zenog We should try and look for a Windows tester.
11:30 fenderson i think i can do every test with a virtual box 2
11:30 fenderson but i dont know if it will give the same results
11:31 fenderson i got XP on my virtual box
11:31 zenog I do not see a big reason why the results should be very different. We are not doing any system-/hardware-level programming here ...
11:34 zenog I am doing a reinstall of Padre 0.82 from CPAN, and it failed because the test suite failed because of missing Probe::Perl and IPC::Run3
11:34 zenog Is this a known issue?
11:35 Alias Those are dependencies aren't they?
11:36 Alias Although Probe::Perl is odd, since we've got Padre::Perl specifically to replace them
11:36 Hyppolit #1158: Ctrl-Alt-F injects "ACK" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1158 ]
11:36 zenog I installed using cpanm, thinking that it would resolve dependencies ...
11:37 szabgab I think IPC::Run3 has some issues recently
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11:39 zenog Padre::Perl requires Probe::Perl
11:39 szabgab so on this machine I am uing now Padre crashes with Segfault every time it tries to use threads
11:40 szabgab any idea how could I find out the cause of the issue?
11:40 zenog Probe::Perl is not listed in Makefile.PL
11:40 zenog Shall I add it there?
11:43 * azawawi studies Alien::wxWidgets in search of answers
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11:48 zenog hi Sewi1
11:48 Sewi1 hi zenog
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11:56 Hyppolit #1159: Ctrl+L (cut line) doesn't trigger the changed-* (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1159 ]
11:59 Hyppolit #1158: Ctrl-Alt-F injects "ACK" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1158#comment:1 ]
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12:04 szabgab zenog++ for confirming bug reports quickly
12:05 szabgab we should do it more often on various platforms
12:09 Alias oops
12:09 Alias It would appear that, indeed, Probe::Perl is a dependency
12:13 Hyppolit svn: r13956 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13956
12:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
12:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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12:18 szabgab otoh zenog broke tidy in r13955 :(
12:18 Hyppolit Changeset #13955 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13955
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12:24 Hyppolit svn: r13957 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13957
12:24 Hyppolit tidy Padre::Config
12:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:28 zenog szabgab: fixed.
12:30 szabgab zenog++
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13:24 zenog szabgab: Do you know whether the Perl foundation will apply for the Google Summer of Code? The org deadline is in two days.
13:25 zenog szabgab: Nevermind, it seems it was just submitted: http://twitter.com/#!/dukeleto
13:26 zenog If the Perl foundation is a mentoring organization, we could possibly get one or two Padre topics there?
13:26 zenog e.g. the debugger, CPAN integration, etc.
13:28 kaare A Padre-integrated FSD would be awesome++
13:29 kaare If it could handle Catalyst, Mojo, Dancer, Plack etc
13:29 zenog kaare: What is an FSD?
13:30 kaare Full-Screen Debugger
13:30 zenog improved version control integration would also be nice ...
13:32 Hyppolit svn: r13958 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13958
13:32 Hyppolit stc.dll has compiled! :)
13:32 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/
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13:37 Hyppolit svn: r13959 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13959
13:37 Hyppolit Tidy compile.pl
13:37 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/
13:38 * azawawi &
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13:50 szabgab I am all in favor getting some GSOC for Padre but I don't have the bandwidth to handle anything in that area
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16:13 Hyppolit svn: r13960 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13960
16:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
16:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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16:27 davorg Hey padre people
16:28 davorg How do I edit the @INC that the real-time syntax checker uses?
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16:28 zenog davorg: This is a little bit buggy, at least for me.
16:29 davorg Ah
16:29 davorg But, hey, buggy is better than not working at all :)
16:29 zenog davorg: I mean not the @INC editing (it does not exist as far as I know), but rather that it does not find the right include path in some cases.
16:30 zenog davorg: Padre::Document::Perl::Syntax::syntax contains the code where all that stuff happens.
16:31 * davorg looks
16:35 zenog davorg: I mean you could add stuff by adding "use lib ..." in front of the file, and fill the ... with stuff that you read from a configuration option.
16:35 zenog davorg: For configuration options, you can have a look at Padre::Config
16:36 davorg Could I just set PER5LIB before starting Padre?
16:36 davorg +L
16:39 zenog davorg: Sure, that may be much easier :-P
17:01 szabgab davorg: oh
17:02 szabgab davorg: yes, I think curently we only have that option, setting PERL5LIB before launching padre
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17:03 Hyppolit svn: r13961 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13961
17:03 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] bug fixes; use temp dir/file for syntax check
17:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Plugin/
17:03 Hyppolit svn: r13962 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13962
17:03 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] tidy
17:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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17:10 zenog hi kyanardag dodathome ok22
17:10 davorg szabgab: Ok. Thanks. That's the only downside to Padre for me currently. It gives syntax errors for every file I edit as it can't find the other local modules.
17:10 davorg Might look into fixing that then.
17:14 zenog davorg: That would be neat. It would make Padre rock even more.
17:14 zenog davorg: Feel free to ask around here if you have any question ...
17:16 davorg fersure
17:29 Hyppolit svn: r13963 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13963
17:29 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] improve syntax check message display
17:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/LaTeX/
17:29 Hyppolit svn: r13964 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13964
17:29 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] update messages.pot
17:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/
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17:37 zenog hi toi
17:38 toi Hi Zenog!
17:38 Hyppolit svn: r13965 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13965
17:38 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] update German translation
17:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/
17:39 Hyppolit svn: r13966 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13966
17:39 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] set release date: today
17:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/
17:44 * zenog has just uploaded version 0.10 of the LaTeX plugin to PAUSE.
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18:56 szabgab I change the smoker to include RELEASE_TESTING=1 as well, at least the one running on Linux
18:57 szabgab as you could see it is failing now,
18:57 szabgab I am trying to fix them but I could not find the proble with the xt/actions.t
18:57 szabgab so if anyone has tuits to look at that
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19:11 szabgab and I don't understand the xt/crashtest either
19:12 szabgab on my desktop it opens some windows and never closes them, I had to close them so the test can continoue
19:12 szabgab otoh on the smoke server it went ok
19:16 Hyppolit svn: r13967 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13967
19:16 Hyppolit fix the RELEASE_TESTING=1 failures that also appeared on my desktop
19:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/
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19:18 Hyppolit svn: r13968 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13968
19:18 Hyppolit improve error reporting in test script
19:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
19:19 azawawi mental note, i should read a C++ book again... :)
19:35 zenog &
19:35 zenog azawawi: The Scott Meyers stuff is quite good.
19:35 zenog Now really => home &
19:59 Hyppolit svn: r13969 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13969
19:59 Hyppolit Match Alien::wxWidgets compiler flags and file names. STC DLL produced is 1-2KB different than the one compiled by Alien::wxWidgets
19:59 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/
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20:12 Hyppolit svn: r13970 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13970
20:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
20:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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21:18 szabgab so the issue in xt/action.t is that the "on_timer" in lib/Padre/Wx/ActionQueue.pm never gets called on the smoke server
21:18 szabgab and I have no idea why?
21:21 Hyppolit svn: r13971 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13971
21:21 Hyppolit add some diagnostics to the xt/action.t
21:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
21:22 szabgab I thought it might be a Wx issue, so I upgraded Wx from 0.94 to 0.98 but that did not help
21:23 szabgab and the machine is running ubuntu 9.10
21:23 szabgab with perl 5.10.0
21:44 kaare 5.10.0 is generally screwed
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