Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-03-13

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03:43 bvierra|l_ hey
03:43 bvierra|l_ next question :)
03:43 bvierra|l_ is there like a code library?
03:43 bvierra|l_ where I can put snippits of code I use all the time
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05:16 garu bvierra|l_: hm?
05:17 garu bvierra|l_: the REPL plugin might not be up to date with current padre
05:17 bvierra|l_ ok cool I thought that was it
05:17 bvierra|l_ how about the snippits?
05:18 garu bvierra|l_: and what do you mean by snippits?
05:18 bvierra|l_ basically I have code that I use alot in different places, would like to be able to save it
05:19 bvierra|l_ komodo calls it the code box
05:19 bvierra|l_ I also saw: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/97
05:19 bvierra|l_ that was marked as fixed 2yrs ago
05:19 bvierra|l_ just dont see where to access it
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05:22 * garu looks
05:36 bvierra|l_ at least I am not crazy
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05:47 garu bvierra|l: ctrl+shift+a
05:47 garu bvierra|l: edit -> insert -> snippet
05:47 bvierra|l awesome
05:47 bvierra|l I apprecicate it!
05:48 garu you're welcome :)
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06:20 submersible_toaster p5: -x $file
06:20 Hyppolit Not found
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07:53 azawawi good morning
07:55 szabgab hi azawawi
07:56 szabgab could you please check the the GSOC idea I wrote?
07:56 szabgab todo?
07:56 azawawi szabgab: hi! backlogging... :)
07:56 Hyppolit todo is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/ProjectIdeas
07:56 azawawi szabgab: read it :)
07:56 szabgab I'd be happy if you could volunteer to mentor some of the tasks
07:56 szabgab and/or if you had your own ideas for projects
07:59 azawawi given my current workload and incoming "social" obligations, I barely have time like before :)
07:59 azawawi but im trying to adjust my schedule so i'll *try*
07:59 szabgab nah
07:59 azawawi nah? :)
07:59 szabgab it won't look good if I am the only one volunteering as a mentor :)
08:00 szabgab use facebook and automate your social interactions :)
08:00 azawawi how does it work in the first place?
08:00 azawawi the mentoring part
08:00 szabgab no idea
08:00 azawawi hehe
08:01 szabgab if we are talking about the GSOC mentoring, I have not done it earlier
08:01 szabgab but I guess it means a couple of hours work a week
08:01 szabgab and we need to write a report about the student
08:02 azawawi btw, best software i found this year that we could learn a thing or two from is "MySQL workbench"... itsUI and usability is great...
08:02 azawawi back to mentoring :)
08:02 azawawi aha
08:02 azawawi and everything is remotely done or not?
08:03 szabgab someone brought chocolate to the office, and I hate when there is chocolate around
08:03 szabgab I have to finish it so there won't be any
08:03 szabgab yes remotely
08:04 szabgab I think it is basically helping someone to get into the project and implement it
08:04 szabgab pointing to places to learn stuff
08:04 fenderson szabgab: hey
08:04 szabgab gm fenderson
08:04 fenderson yesterday i saw you said something about what you wanted me to do
08:05 fenderson but i didnt have much time to talk about it
08:05 szabgab fenderson: sure, so you read it, right?
08:05 fenderson and i have to say i'm bit confused i think i dont understand you well
08:05 fenderson so can you try to explain again?
08:06 szabgab maybe, azawawi could you help me explain to fenderson that I'd like him to go over the items in the test-cases and check if each one of them is working on the release branch?
08:06 szabgab and then report it back
08:06 azawawi szabgab: I see so it is like you're a shaolin master :)
08:06 azawawi szabgab: mentoring new students
08:07 szabgab azawawi: you mean killing people on all sides of me ?
08:07 azawawi szabgab: :)
08:07 szabgab azawawi: I should check the movie :)
08:07 szabgab but really I think I need help in explaining to fenderson
08:08 fenderson szabgab:  already did it
08:08 azawawi fenderson: what about it?
08:08 fenderson but where do i write it done that every test we did is working
08:08 szabgab someone also needs to explain that we need to see it *reported* on the page of the test cases
08:09 szabgab fenderson: maybe you can find it in the backlog of the IRC channel
08:09 fenderson http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist that page?
08:09 szabgab yes in that page
08:09 fenderson tried now
08:09 azawawi fenderson: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today
08:10 azawawi fenderson: all of our chat are logged there
08:10 fenderson see thats what i dont understand
08:10 fenderson all the tests are here
08:10 fenderson thats why i dont understand what you want me to do
08:10 fenderson i already checked if all of them working 2 days ago
08:10 szabgab do you see 2 tables on that page?
08:10 szabgab with my nickname in them ?
08:11 szabgab you saw them lest time we talked about this
08:11 fenderson yes the working and not working
08:11 fenderson so every working test i write on the working
08:11 szabgab so you also need to add such tables to the tests with the information
08:11 fenderson and the not working on the not working table + report
08:11 fenderson ?
08:11 azawawi fenderson: you need to report there your test results
08:11 szabgab no
08:12 szabgab fenderson: for every test-case you create a table like that
08:12 azawawi szabgab: fails only?
08:12 szabgab and add the 2 lines of your test results
08:12 szabgab azawawi: both sucess and fails
08:12 szabgab so we will know someone has checked those and on what platform
08:12 fenderson i add it to you're table or i create another one?
08:13 szabgab so we don't need to duplicate the work
08:13 szabgab fenderson: for each test-case you create a table
08:13 azawawi fenderson: so it is like a test cases and a progress page to track our testing results on different platforms
08:13 fenderson ok i'm starting now
08:13 szabgab fenderson: do one, and save it
08:14 fenderson i'll do the first and you tell me now if its like what you want it to be
08:14 szabgab and let us know so we can check
08:14 fenderson ok?
08:14 Hyppolit ok is the output of Test::Simple
08:14 szabgab fenderson: ok
08:14 azawawi fenderson++
08:16 fenderson ok i checked the todo list
08:16 fenderson and it went well
08:16 fenderson so i did what i think you expect me to do
08:16 fenderson now if you can tell me if its fine it will be great
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08:18 szabgab fenderson: have you checked the resulting page?
08:18 szabgab does your table look like mine?
08:20 fenderson no its in a box
08:20 fenderson i dont know why
08:20 szabgab so find it out
08:20 fenderson let me fix it 1sec
08:20 szabgab and fix it
08:20 szabgab you can play in the sandbox to learn the wikisyntax of this wiki
08:20 fenderson one more thing
08:20 fenderson i played with the sandbox
08:20 fenderson while writing test case
08:20 fenderson the last one
08:21 fenderson and i use bold on a part of the test
08:21 fenderson text*
08:21 fenderson and it bold all the text that was after also
08:21 fenderson but it wasnt on the bold block
08:21 fenderson did not know how to fix it
08:22 szabgab I am sure you can play with the sandbox more and read the docs of trac to find your way around
08:22 szabgab we are not trac experts here
08:22 szabgab but I expect you to learn trac very well
08:22 szabgab so *you* can help us
08:23 szabgab fenderson: let me know when you fixed the table so I can check it
08:23 fenderson there you go
08:23 fenderson its fixed
08:23 * azawawi work &
08:24 szabgab azawawi: bye
08:24 szabgab fenderson: good, let me improve it a bit
08:24 szabgab could you please write, in addition to the revision number the version number of padre?
08:24 szabgab as reported in the about box
08:25 szabgab add it to the table
08:25 fenderson i dont understand
08:26 fenderson the padre number is 85 no?
08:26 szabgab that's the question
08:26 szabgab which version of Padre are you using for this test?
08:26 szabgab 0.85 ?
08:26 fenderson yes
08:26 szabgab 0.84 ?
08:26 szabgab have you checked it ?
08:26 fenderson 85 the dev
08:26 fenderson yes
08:26 fenderson i'm sure
08:26 fenderson 2000%
08:27 szabgab and are you using trunk or the release branch?
08:27 fenderson trunk
08:27 fenderson release branch is 84 no?
08:28 szabgab so now you see, the reason you should add the version number?
08:28 szabgab we want you to test the release branch
08:28 fenderson ok so i'll do it also on the 08.4?
08:29 fenderson 0.84?
08:29 szabgab for now you only need to do it on 0.84
08:29 szabgab but do it with both Ubuntu and Windows
08:29 szabgab and please add the padre version number to the table
08:31 szabgab fenderson: please understand:
08:31 fenderson ok how can i check the code for padre version  0.84
08:31 szabgab when the release manager will want to release padre from the branch he will look over this page and he needs to know if the *release* branch has beed testsed
08:31 szabgab and if it passed its tests
08:31 fenderson and second i cant do the windows tests yet cause i have to break it
08:32 szabgab fenderson: 1) I cant tell you it 3 times, really
08:32 szabgab you were already told several times how to switch to the branch
08:32 szabgab you have to find it yourself
08:32 fenderson no i never asked how i know the code
08:32 fenderson the code../.
08:32 fenderson r13895
08:32 Hyppolit Changeset #13895 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13895
08:32 fenderson never told me
08:33 szabgab so search in the backlog or in the mailing list and read the SVN book how you can switch to a branch
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08:34 fenderson i dont have to switch.. i can open terminal and write padre
08:34 fenderson all i'm asking is why is it a code
08:34 fenderson and not v.0.85
08:35 szabgab I don't understand the question "why is it a code"
08:35 fenderson and how can i know that r13895 is the version
08:35 Hyppolit Changeset #13895 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13895
08:35 fenderson if so what is the code for version .84
08:35 szabgab wht code?
08:35 szabgab ahat code?
08:35 fenderson what is "r13895"?
08:35 Hyppolit Changeset #13895 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13895
08:35 szabgab what   crap
08:35 szabgab it is a revision number
08:36 szabgab oh you did not know it you just copied the one from my table!
08:36 szabgab lovely
08:36 szabgab do you know what a revision number is in SVN?
08:37 fenderson yes
08:37 fenderson i read it in the book
08:37 szabgab do you know how to find out what is your *current* revision number in your working copy?
08:38 bvierra|l fenderson, revisions are seperate from versions
08:38 fenderson yes that i know
08:39 bvierra|l revisions are for every commit to svn, there may be 1000 revisions between versions
08:39 fenderson and i know revision is about the date
08:39 bvierra|l revision has NOTHING to do with date
08:39 fenderson revisions are dates
08:39 fenderson of the commits
08:39 fenderson no?
08:39 bvierra|l no they are not
08:39 bvierra|l revisions are incrementally changed by 1 for every commit
08:40 bvierra|l does not matter what the date is
08:40 fenderson ok
08:40 fenderson revisions = commits?
08:41 fenderson or branch of commits?
08:41 fenderson cause i didnt get it when i read the book
08:41 bvierra|l each revision is a single commit
08:41 bvierra|l read: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/index.html
08:45 fenderson so why when szabgab did the padre version
08:45 fenderson under the table he wrote revision?
08:46 bvierra|l right that was the revision for that version
08:47 fenderson the commit of that version?
08:47 fenderson i think i didnt get revision as it is
08:47 bvierra|l read the book then come backl
08:47 bvierra|l back*
08:49 fenderson http://mibpaste.com/ZcAsTr
08:49 fenderson last revision = the release?
08:51 szabgab fenderson: on the release branch, yes,
08:51 szabgab on the trunk no
08:55 fenderson but i'm using the release branch
08:55 fenderson at the moment
09:01 szabgab so what is the revision number of your working copy?
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09:02 fenderson you want me to use the realse branch right
09:04 fenderson tried to get the last revision and i go this svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.example.com/svn/repos1': Could not resolve hostname `svn.example.com': Host not found (http://svn.example.com)
09:04 fenderson i'll put it in pastebin
09:04 fenderson http://mibpaste.com/2cAnyf
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09:08 szabgab I want you to answer my previous question
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09:12 fenderson tried to get it from the terminal
09:12 fenderson but i try to understand the error
09:13 fenderson what does he mean by - "host not found"
09:13 fenderson what is the host name?
09:14 fenderson ohh i think i got it
09:15 Sewi fenderson: Copiing an example without any changes is usually not good. I could give you "rm -rf /" as an example for a linux command :-)
09:16 Sewi Error messages usually have some reason why they are shown and usually they're worth reading them :-)
09:16 fenderson Sewi: thats what i'm doing
09:17 fenderson but i'm getting the logic behind the error
09:17 Sewi Sorry, it didn't look like this: (10:04:13) fenderson: tried to get the last revision and i go this svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.example.com/svn/repos1': Could not resolve hostname `svn.example.com': Host not found (http://svn.example.com)
09:18 fenderson anyway i know i have to export the last revision
09:19 fenderson so the command is svn export "the padre's svn link"
09:19 fenderson but
09:19 fenderson who is the host?
09:19 fenderson http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk padre thats the padre's svn link right?
09:33 fenderson szabgab: are you here?
09:34 fenderson Sewi: http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk padre = padre's svn link?
09:34 Sewi svn?
09:34 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/DownloadRepository and also http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/ and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser
09:35 fenderson so what link do i use on the terminal
09:35 fenderson when i try to get the last revision
09:35 fenderson i used the second one
09:36 fenderson ok its working
09:36 fenderson i forget '/' at the end
09:48 szabgab fenderson: you still have not answered my last question
09:49 fenderson i dont know....
09:49 fenderson thats what i'm trying to get
09:50 fenderson when you're saying you didnt get the answer its because i trying to get it......................
09:50 szabgab ok, I am waiting
09:51 bvierra|l hmm ok so there are no 'projects' in padre, however in the title it says project name
09:51 fenderson i did an export and i dont need it
09:51 bvierra|l where does it pull that from?
09:53 fenderson szabgab: svn checkout should give me the revision right
09:53 fenderson but i dont know what revision i need, i know i need the last
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09:53 fenderson but i'm looking for it in the book and i cant find the command on how to get the last revision
09:56 fenderson http://mibpaste.com/Ch2Xcx it says he doesnt know -r?
09:56 bvierra|l fenderson: you are over your head
09:56 bvierra|l just install it from cpan
09:56 Sewi fenderson: Did you follow that suggestion?
09:57 Sewi that one shown in our paste
09:57 fenderson bvierra|l: install what?!
09:57 fenderson i have padre
09:57 bvierra|l what are you trying to do then?
09:57 fenderson i'm trying to get the revision number
09:58 fenderson svn diff -r
09:58 fenderson thats the command right?
09:58 fenderson last revision, last commit
09:58 bvierra|l why are you trying to get the repo?
09:58 fenderson i dont need the repo i need the number of the last revision
09:59 Sewi fenderson: try svn help diff
09:59 fenderson because i'm doing test cases and i have to write down the revision i'm working on
10:00 bvierra|l ok so you just need to know the current revision you are on?
10:00 bvierra|l svn up
10:00 bvierra|l replies with revision: #####
10:01 fenderson in -r
10:01 fenderson Sewi:  i did svn help diff
10:01 fenderson and i see under -3
10:01 fenderson -r*
10:01 fenderson NUMBER
10:01 fenderson and thats what i need
10:01 fenderson exactly
10:01 fenderson but i'm writing it wrong on the terminal
10:01 szabgab fenderson: do you remember my question ?
10:01 bvierra|l well that I cant help with
10:02 fenderson svn diff NUMBER \ svn diff -r NUMBER
10:02 szabgab fenderson: do you remember my question ?
10:02 fenderson szabgab: ..?
10:02 szabgab I asked you about 10 min ago
10:02 szabgab check the backlog of this IRC channel to find it
10:03 fenderson i see the backlog
10:03 fenderson what's now?
10:04 szabgab so what was the question, can you paste it here?
10:06 bvierra|l sorry
10:06 bvierra|l so thinking of working on a more advanced snippets plugin
10:07 fenderson szabgab: do you know how to find out what is your *current* revision number in your working copy?
10:07 szabgab OT: I am trying to write a plugin for Pidgin in Perl but it does not fully cooperate with me :(
10:07 bvierra|l szabgab: havent done much pidgin devel, but willing to help if you want another set of eyes on it
10:07 fenderson szabgab: that was the question right?
10:08 szabgab fenderson: no, that was not the last one
10:09 szabgab bvierra|l: http://pidgin.im/pipermail/d​evel/2011-March/010249.html
10:09 fenderson so what is the revision number of your working copy?
10:09 szabgab but I have to go now for a while
10:09 fenderson szabgab: that is the question?
10:10 szabgab fenderson: yes, so let's say you have no idea how to find out this information, how would you try to understand what is the meaning of the question?
10:10 fenderson szabgab: ..?
10:10 szabgab brb&
10:10 fenderson i understood the meaning
10:10 fenderson but i'm trying to get it dont you see
10:10 fenderson go over the backlog
10:11 fenderson all that i'm doing past the last hour is trying to get it
10:12 bvierra|l szabgab: you sure that the accounts have added each other?
10:13 bvierra|l brb&
10:14 Sewi fenderson: You need information about your local working copy, right? So try typing "svn help" and read the output looking if any of the commands might get you information.
10:16 Sewi Next type "svn help command" replacing "command" by your selection out of the list. Read the output. If the command doesn't harm anything, just try it.
10:16 fenderson i did and i got the command i need
10:16 fenderson Sewi: again look few msgs back
10:17 fenderson the command i need is svn diff -r NUMBER
10:17 fenderson and i got it by writing svn help
10:17 fenderson but i dont know why its not working
10:17 Sewi I don't think this is the right way or at least the easiest one
10:18 fenderson why does he say " svn: invalid option character: U"
10:18 fenderson u wrote svn help diff -NUMBER
10:18 fenderson i wrote*
10:19 Sewi Please write in IRC: today is DAYNAME
10:20 fenderson today is DAYNAME
10:20 fenderson ?
10:20 Sewi Okay, and now please think why I wrote DAYNAME all in uppercase, then repeat the line
10:21 Sewi Other way:  My question is: "Which day of the week is today", now please write your answer.
10:21 fenderson sunday
10:21 Sewi Good. Now please use the template "today is DAYNAME" for answeing
10:22 fenderson today is sunday
10:22 fenderson ?
10:22 Sewi wonderful.
10:23 Sewi so I worte "today is DAYNAME" and you finally replaced DAYNAME by some value.
10:23 Sewi The svn help says "svn help diff -r NUMBER", so you see anything similar to the weekday sample before?
10:26 bvierra|l back
10:27 fenderson yes
10:27 fenderson but if its the same way
10:27 fenderson svn help diff -r doesnt help me
10:28 fenderson because i dont know the number
10:28 fenderson the number is what i'm trying to get
10:28 Sewi ok,, so svn diff might not be the best try.
10:29 Sewi You need information about your local working copy, right? So try typing "svn help" and read the output looking if any of the commands might get you information.
10:30 fenderson Sewi: ok thanks
10:31 Sewi The solution should be easy if you follow my suggestion and look at my wording in the message before.
10:32 fenderson yes thats what i'm looking for
10:32 fenderson HEAD is latest in the repository
10:32 fenderson i dont understand BASE
10:32 Sewi I don't see the word head in "svn help"
10:33 fenderson under -r
10:33 fenderson you have ARG
10:33 fenderson few arguments
10:33 Sewi I don't see -r in "svn help"
10:33 fenderson ohh sry you are right
10:33 fenderson i did svn help diff
10:34 fenderson checkout
10:34 fenderson that is the one?
10:34 fenderson or info
10:35 fenderson Last Changed Rev: 13977
10:35 Sewi congrats
10:35 fenderson Revision: 13981
10:35 fenderson you're awesome
10:35 fenderson hmm so when i write the test case
10:35 fenderson i write -e13981?
10:35 fenderson -r
10:36 Sewi What do you want to do with this test case?
10:38 Sewi If your current revision is  13981 which differences do you expect to revision 13981?
10:43 fenderson ?
10:44 fenderson i'm just saying
10:44 fenderson when i do a manual test
10:44 fenderson and i write it in http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
10:44 fenderson under padre version
10:44 fenderson i write r13981?
10:44 Hyppolit Changeset #13981 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13981
10:45 szabgab fenderson: I don't have time now but my answer would be "search on google to learn 'how to get the revision of the working directory in svn' "
10:46 bvierra|l szabgab: aight wanna take a lil break from coding, I take it you need as many test cases as possible?
10:46 szabgab bvierra|l: and good ones :)
10:46 bvierra|l haha :)
10:47 szabgab bvierra|l: and I think these are basically descriptions of certain features in Padre
10:47 bvierra|l yea...
10:47 bvierra|l is there no way to automate these?
10:47 szabgab so they could serve both purposes
10:47 szabgab bvierra|l: maybe we will have
10:47 bvierra|l (never done gtk so I dunno)
10:47 szabgab see the gsoc projects
10:47 szabgab todo?
10:47 Hyppolit todo is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/ProjectIdeas
10:48 szabgab fenderson: so now you know the revision of the working copy of SVN of PAdre, right? now the other question is, which version of Padre is this?
10:49 szabgab bvierra|l: we have 2 or even option to automate the test cases but IMHO we will need the testcases written down anyway, even if in the end we manage to automate them
10:49 szabgab so it is not a waste of energy at all
10:49 bvierra|l yea
10:49 bvierra|l no not at all :)
10:50 bvierra|l believe me, we have huge programs at work... still like 90% of our testing is done by QA
10:50 bvierra|l by hand
10:50 szabgab oh and regarding the pidgin issue, the two accounts see each other as I can actually chat with myself: one via the browser the other via pidgin
10:50 szabgab but people usually look weird when I do so :)
10:51 fenderson which version of padre?
10:51 fenderson its 0.84
10:51 fenderson thats the release
10:51 szabgab fenderson: how do you know that?
10:51 fenderson as far as i know
10:51 szabgab how do you know that you are using 0.84 ?
10:52 fenderson i know because i updated and the last release is 0.84, but i also know because i opened padre on terminal ( terminal $ padre)
10:52 bvierra|l szabgab: just tell them that you needed to talk to someone smart enough to understand and while you thought about talking with them, you realized they didnt fit the bill
10:52 fenderson and i did help -> about
10:53 fenderson wait
10:53 fenderson i updated padre
10:53 fenderson and in the regular padre not the dev one, i have 0.80
10:54 fenderson why is it not updated like the trunk?
10:55 bvierra|l szabgab: ok I am being slow here... is register disabled on trac?
10:55 szabgab so you are absolutely sure you are using 0.84
10:55 szabgab bvierra|l: yes
10:55 szabgab but don't you have an account already?
10:56 bvierra|l how would you like me to register?
10:56 bvierra|l so I can start the testcase?
10:56 bvierra|l nope...
10:56 szabgab bvierra|l: 1sec
10:56 szabgab bvierra|l: I opened the registration form, pls register now
10:57 fenderson szabgab: i know on dev padre i'm using 0.85
10:57 szabgab we have spamissues, you know...
10:57 Sewi register?
10:57 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
10:57 bvierra|l done
10:57 fenderson and i thought i'm using 0.84 on release padre
10:57 fenderson but i'm not
10:57 fenderson i'm using 0.80
10:57 bvierra|l yea I hear you :)
10:57 fenderson and i dont know why its not updated to 0.84
10:57 szabgab spam shield raised, enemy ships are avoided, beep
10:59 szabgab fenderson:  it is unclear to me now, how many working copies do you have?
10:59 fenderson 1
10:59 fenderson or 2 if you're counting the dev
10:59 szabgab so where do you have 0.84 and where do youhave 0.85 ?
10:59 szabgab what is "dev" ???
10:59 fenderson development padre
10:59 fenderson no?
11:00 fenderson when i'm writing perl dev
11:00 szabgab so you have two working copies, right?
11:00 fenderson right
11:00 szabgab what is the difference between the two?
11:00 fenderson but no 0.84
11:00 fenderson u thought i had
11:01 fenderson one is the release
11:01 szabgab you just told me you had 0.84
11:01 fenderson working padre
11:01 fenderson and one is devlopment padre
11:01 szabgab again:
11:01 fenderson i thought i had cause i updated from trunk
11:01 szabgab what is the difference between the two?
11:01 fenderson one is the release 0.80\0.82\0.84
11:02 fenderson the other one is development 0.81\.0.83\0.85
11:02 fenderson we can change the dev
11:02 szabgab are they different revisions? are they different branches?
11:02 fenderson and the commits we're doing on the dev are made for the next version
11:02 fenderson different branches
11:03 szabgab fenderson: it is called "trunk" not "dev"
11:03 fenderson ok
11:03 szabgab "dev" is just a file in directory
11:04 fenderson szabgab: ok now i got it
11:04 szabgab so you have two working directories checked out, what are the revisions in each one and what are the branches in each one?
11:04 fenderson from now on i know when i'm using dev i'm working on a padre from trunk
11:05 fenderson i didnt get 1thing
11:05 fenderson why is it when i update padre from trunk
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11:06 fenderson its only updating trunk
11:06 fenderson and not padre also
11:06 szabgab "when i'm using dev i'm working on a padre from trunk" except that this is incorrect
11:06 fenderson should i download padre each time there is a release? cant i just get them both?
11:07 fenderson so when i using trunk i'm using the working copy but the changes are not made on the working copy but on the trunk?
11:07 fenderson something like that?
11:08 szabgab could you please try to read the svn book a bit more and understand what is "trunk" and "Working copy" ?
11:08 fenderson ok
11:16 bvierra|l ohhh 1st crash!
11:17 bvierra|l szabgab: special way to report these? open issue? just add a note to the PreRelease Doc?
11:20 Sewi bvierra|l: Open a ticket on trac, please (if there isn't one)
11:20 bvierra|l Sewi: this is very umm... none specific
11:20 bvierra|l an't call method "root" on an undefined value at lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/TreeCtrl.pm line 137.
11:21 bvierra|l any way I can enable additional stack traces?
11:21 bvierra|l actually /me goes and reads docs
11:22 Sewi If you use trunk, you could use dev --die
11:24 bvierra|l yea I do, trying to do the 'PreReleaseChecklist'
11:24 bvierra|l this shouldnt cause any issues correct?
11:47 szabgab bvierra|l: if you find a bug /crash in one of the test-case please report it as a ticket *and* add the ticket number to the test case in a table below the test case
11:47 bvierra|l ok cool figured as much, can I use the dev for that to get more info or is that a nono?
12:03 szabgab bvierra|l: what do you mean?
12:03 szabgab the dev script is only there so we won't have to manually configure tons of things to launch padre from an svn checkout
12:04 szabgab otherwise it *should* be the same as running padre directly
12:10 bvierra|l ok cool thanks :)
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12:22 bvierra|l aight I am taking off, need sleep
12:22 bvierra|l will do the rest of the testing tomorrow
12:22 bvierra|l later all
12:31 Hyppolit #1160: Session name refered to as Project name in title bar (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1160#comment:4 ]
12:33 szabgab bvierra|l: thanks, do you update the test page with the results?
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12:38 El_Che szabgab: what about an akismet spam account?
12:39 El_Che the spam plugin of trac supports it
12:39 szabgab El_Che: last time I checked it, that did nit work for me
12:39 szabgab nit/not
12:40 szabgab but that was a year or 2 ago so I might give it another try now
12:40 El_Che if your trac does not run as root, I can give it a try
12:41 szabgab it does not run as root but it needs root permissions to configure it
12:41 szabgab and first I need to upgrade trac anyway
12:41 szabgab thanks for the offer but I'll try to do it myself
12:41 El_Che no problem
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13:02 bowtie info: r14011, still getting message, Deprecated Padre::Util::get_project_dir called by Padre::Plugin::Catalyst::Util at /usr/src/Padre/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Util.pm line 482.
13:02 bowtie Deprecated: command not found
13:02 Hyppolit Changeset #14011 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14011
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13:53 Hyppolit svn: r14012 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14012
13:53 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation and LaTeX plugin translation
13:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/
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15:05 Hyppolit svn: r14013 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14013
15:05 Hyppolit Added MYMETA.json to MANIFEST.SKIP
15:05 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
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15:15 Hyppolit svn: r14014 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14014
15:15 Hyppolit Generate the scintilla library for later XS DLL generation step
15:15 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
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15:33 szabgab a oneliner I used today:   perl -e'$h{$_} = rand for 1..1_000_000; print "ok\n"; sleep 100'
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17:30 Sewi Do we have any convention to mark release blockers in source?
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17:39 rindolf Hi all.
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17:56 szabgab Sewi: nope, but why would we want to do it in source?
17:56 szabgab why not in trac?
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18:43 Hyppolit #140: reordering tabs does not change their order with ctrl+tab (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/140#comment:8 ]
18:51 Hyppolit #1164: Useless warning at startup (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1164 ]
18:51 Hyppolit svn: r14015 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14015
18:51 Hyppolit Fix for useless undefined warning for empty documents
18:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
18:52 Hyppolit #1164: Useless warning at startup (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1164#comment:1 ]
18:53 El_Che szabgab: what do you mean here? http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/127
18:58 szabgab El_Che: I think something happend to your commit as teh file is very untidy now
18:59 Hyppolit #239: automatic indentation does not let me set the indentation width (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/239#comment:1 ]
18:59 El_Che crap
18:59 szabgab the point of 127 was that there are certain key binding that scintilla gives us "free of charge" and I think it would be important to let the users find these features
19:00 El_Che I am using perltidyrc from Padre
19:00 szabgab e.g using Quick menu access
19:00 El_Che let me retidy it from the command line
19:00 El_Che so in short a request to document and show this shortcuts?
19:00 szabgab yes, I think that's it
19:01 szabgab I thought it coulbe even non-functioning menu items
19:01 szabgab maye with a pop-up when someone clicks them, I am not sure
19:02 szabgab of course this sounds a bit too much for TAB
19:02 szabgab but not so much for ctrl-d which is not so common
19:02 szabgab I think
19:03 Hyppolit svn: r14016 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14016
19:03 Hyppolit Fix wrong perltidy output
19:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
19:07 El_Che I am with you except on the popup thing
19:08 El_Che wouldn't it be better if they were integrated in the shortcut configuration (maybe read only) and added to the help menus one day?
19:08 szabgab there needs to be some feedback so if they do the right thing that's great
19:08 szabgab I am sorry, I  have no idea, I am too tired now
19:08 El_Che same here
19:09 El_Che we'll leave it at that and i'll add some info to the ticket
19:09 szabgab I have a client where I was brought in to help clean up their code and implement unit testing
19:09 szabgab now I have a new boss who just told me  he is not a fan of unit testing
19:10 Hyppolit #127: add menu option to already existing key bindings (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/127#comment:1 ]
19:10 szabgab so my brain does extra cycles to try to figure out what's next with them :)
19:10 El_Che hehe
19:10 El_Che how do they test their code?
19:11 szabgab something is wrong with tidy
19:11 szabgab either yours or the one on the server
19:11 El_Che again?
19:12 szabgab you just made a one space commit
19:12 szabgab let's try to figure this out
19:12 szabgab oh and how do they test their code, that's what QA is for
19:12 El_Che oh fun
19:13 El_Che waste peoples time for things that are easily detected
19:13 Hyppolit svn: r14017 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14017
19:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
19:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
19:13 szabgab and the PC wording " I know unit testing is important but one have to always what is more important"
19:13 szabgab anyway, I'll see what happens next
19:14 szabgab I would want to have some vacation and work on Padre again :)
19:15 El_Che yeah, stupid things like bills and stuff :)
19:15 szabgab yeah, I hate that
19:21 rindolf Hi szabgab , El_Che
19:21 El_Che hi rindolf
19:21 rindolf El_Che: what's up?
19:23 El_Che nothing much, just looking at old padre tickets and doing ugly commits :)
19:23 El_Che (there seems to be something broken in my perltidy config)
19:33 El_Che I read you gave a good presentation
19:33 El_Che (sawyerx's blog)
19:34 Hyppolit svn: r14018 | zipf++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14018
19:34 Hyppolit Updated Spanish Translation
19:34 Hyppolit branches/Padre-0.84/share/locale/
19:35 rindolf El_Che: yes, I did.
19:35 rindolf El_Che: sawyer helped too.
19:39 El_Che what was it about?
19:39 El_Che (he wrote something about problem solving)
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21:52 bvierra|l hey all
21:53 Hyppolit #1165: Preferences - Files and Colors - Description and Content-Type show as ARRAY (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1165 ]
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22:04 Hyppolit #1165: Preferences - Files and Colors - Description and Content-Type show as ARRAY (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1165#comment:1 ]
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22:11 bvierra|l szabgab: also I hope you dont mind (dunno why you would) but working on a patch for this, will add it as an attachment
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22:41 Hyppolit svn: r14019 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14019
22:41 Hyppolit Fix for broken description and mimetype for highlighters in Preferences
22:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:42 El_Che ah sorry bvierra|l
22:42 El_Che didn't see you were busy as well
22:43 El_Che not 100% fixed
22:43 El_Che the highlighter is not yer applied
22:43 bvierra|l oh not a prob :)
22:43 El_Che yet
22:43 El_Che the ui is ok
22:43 bvierra|l was just trying to help out where I could
22:43 bvierra|l and yea, :)
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22:46 El_Che it is still broken somewhere
22:46 El_Che it  is weird
22:46 El_Che it was not a bug
22:46 El_Che but the values were never put in to the widget
22:46 El_Che maybe someone deleted some code
22:47 bvierra|l yea
22:47 bvierra|l it was in .84
22:47 bvierra|l not in .85
22:47 bvierra|l actually where I grabbed my fix from
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22:49 bvierra|l El_Che: how do we handle issue with Makefile.PL
22:50 bvierra|l I think the dependency for Wx is incorrect
22:51 El_Che ic
22:54 bvierra|l checking still to make sure but yea
22:54 bvierra|l hmm maybe not
22:54 El_Che I think .84 only broke some of it
22:55 bvierra|l ahh nm
22:55 bvierra|l no I was reading something wrong
22:55 El_Che the printing of correct values was correct there idd
22:55 bvierra|l when using dev --die I was always getting: DIE: Can't locate Wx/Loader/Custom.pm in @INC
22:56 bvierra|l looked in the Wx::Mini
22:56 El_Che is similar to my fix, but it does not get applied
22:56 bvierra|l and it does an eval to see if the files where there
22:56 bvierra|l El_Che: yea I defer to you on that :)
22:56 bvierra|l dunno the code well enough
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23:11 bvierra|l El_Che: you see it is not saving now correct? (want to make sure we are on same page
23:11 El_Che the ui is fixed, but it doesn not apply the correct highlghter
23:13 Hyppolit svn: r14020 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14020
23:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
23:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
23:15 bvierra|l ah ok cool :)
23:15 bvierra|l got it now
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23:36 El_Che going to bed
23:39 Hyppolit #1165: Preferences - Files and Colors - Description and Content-Type show as ARRAY (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1165#comment:2 ]
23:40 El_Che need to figure out why is not applied (and hasn't been for a while)
23:40 El_Che going to bed now
23:40 El_Che bye
23:43 bvierra|l later!

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