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IRC log for #padre, 2011-03-18

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01:59 Hyppolit svn: r14101 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14101
01:59 Hyppolit The preferences test passes
01:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/fbp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ trunk/Padre/t/
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05:36 szabgab gm
05:36 szabgab El_Che: remote debugging should "just work" once the debugger works well and once we can run or connect to externally run apps
05:37 szabgab the debugger as it is implemented just talks on a socket to the debugged script
05:37 szabgab so that socket can be over the wire as well
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06:38 Sewi gm
06:54 Sewi azawawi (I know you read the backlog :-) ): http://hirefreecoder.heroku.com/
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07:13 szabgab Sewi: thanks :)
07:19 Sewi szabgab: Is the trac ticket trigger for Hyppolit dead?
07:25 szabgab Sewi: I think the upgrade of trac killed it, I should check that
07:26 szabgab but yesterday I updated about 300 tickets so I did not want to back then :)
07:31 szabgab I do a few more now
08:03 Sewi szabgab: I saw it in my mailbox - full of trac spam :-)
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08:15 szabgab we still have a lot of uncategorized ticets but I think I'll try to do something else now :)
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08:19 Hyppolit svn: r14102 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14102
08:19 Hyppolit eliminate warning bu hiding the option part during searching #1154
08:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:38 Hyppolit svn: r14103 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14103
08:38 Hyppolit minor fix for better encapsulation
08:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:45 szabgab oh man, either my windows is broken or Padre is broken on windows
08:46 szabgab afeter a few seconds of editing it just went crazy
08:46 szabgab cannot save file and thenc rash
08:46 szabgab crash
08:46 szabgab very unfriendly
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09:03 szabgab #1175
09:03 Hyppolit #1175: padre goes crazy and does not allow saving file after a few seconds (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1175 ]
09:03 Sewi Oh, a manual new-ticket notification :-)
09:04 Sewi szabgab: Did you try to reset the config?
09:05 szabgab :)
09:05 szabgab not yet
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09:08 Sewi szabgab: wait, please
09:08 Sewi don't do it
09:10 Hyppolit svn: r14104 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14104
09:10 Hyppolit Add config check for undefined type
09:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:10 Sewi svn up and try again, please
09:11 Hyppolit svn: r14105 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14105
09:11 Hyppolit Sorry, forgot to tidy before commit
09:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:12 szabgab Sewi: nope, still happening
09:13 szabgab and the interesting thing is that only after a few seconds
09:13 Sewi You should see a message which config option is affected.
09:13 szabgab I'll try to turn off syntaxcheck to see if the problem is still there
09:25 szabgab Sewi: it seems that turning the syntaxchcker off eliminates the problem
09:26 szabgab so the problem might be in the syntax checker
09:26 Sewi But there were config option warnings...
09:27 szabgab see #1175 again, I added further details
09:27 Hyppolit #1175: padre goes crazy and does not allow saving file after a few seconds (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1175#comment:2 ]
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11:13 Hyppolit svn: r14106 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14106
11:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:33 bowtie info: Preferences 2.0.  Screen is to big, save buttons are not completely visible at the bottom of my screen.
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12:18 Sewi bowtie: Please open a ticket on that?
12:18 Sewi And add your screen resolution
12:19 bowtie Sewi, will do latter today ;)
12:19 Sewi ok, thanks
12:19 Sewi Do you use a Netbook?
12:21 bowtie Sewi, yes and old compaq nx9005, ubuntu 10.10, 1024x768, its old like me:))
12:22 bowtie Sewi, opps an not and
12:22 Sewi Dialog size problems are common on netbooks. Windows has them, pgadmin and many other tools :-(
12:23 Sewi But this is no reason not to fix the problems in Padre :-)
12:25 bowtie Sewi, if size is critical, can you not make it user adjustable rather than static
12:26 Hyppolit svn: r14107 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14107
12:26 Hyppolit Hyppolit: adjust to trac 0.12
12:26 Hyppolit trunk/Hyppolit/ trunk/Hyppolit/lib/
12:27 szabgab would not worry about Preferences 2.0 before Alias announces it as usable
12:27 szabgab I*
12:28 Hyppolit svn: r14108 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14108
12:28 Hyppolit Hyppolit: readme update
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Hyppolit/
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12:33 szabgab Hyppolit?
12:33 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.08
12:33 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
12:34 rindolf szabgab: Hyppolit_pdfl should leave #pdl
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12:38 szabgab rindolf: is that channel dead, or what?
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12:39 rindolf szabgab: it seems like it is.
12:39 szabgab why the hell does it quit on me now!
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12:40 bricas szabgab: i'm guessing you saw my reply to #480 -- unfortunately still there. :/
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12:41 szabgab bricas: no I have not seen anything in the last few hours but thanks
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12:45 szabgab !#!$# in debug mode it does not quit,    I hate computers
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12:45 szabgab oh!
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12:48 szabgab Hyppolit: so what was the word that trigegred your early death? !@#
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12:49 szabgab I don't understand, oh I don't understand this
12:51 bricas szabgab: how was the upgrade from trac 0.11 to 0.12?
12:51 szabgab bricas: smooth, except this last bit
12:51 szabgab that *I* wrote :)
12:51 szabgab :(
12:52 szabgab it took about an hour to update the database
12:52 bricas szabgab: thinking about upgrading our $work trac...
12:53 szabgab teh only problem I encountered is that they changed the time from sec to microsec
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12:54 szabgab but easy_install is really easy
12:54 szabgab does not care about the useless testing of what you install :)
12:55 bricas cool :)
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12:57 szabgab so what do you say dear Hyppolit he?
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12:58 szabgab so what do you say dear Hyppolit he?
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12:59 rindolf Hi bricas
12:59 rindolf bricas: long time.
12:59 bricas ahoy.
13:00 rindolf bricas: what's up?
13:00 bricas same crap, different day! ;)
13:00 bricas cpan-changes website is live now. that's new.
13:01 szabgab oh I am totally out of my leage   new regex type:   =~ /$\s*(\w+)\s*$/
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13:02 szabgab so what do you say dear Hyppolit he?
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13:03 bricas rindolf: have you had a look?
13:03 rindolf bricas: at what?
13:03 bricas http://changes.cpanhq.org/
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13:04 bricas rindolf: still in beta, but live nonetheless.
13:04 rindolf bricas: ah, interesting.
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13:05 szabgab bricas: I saw that and liked it very much
13:05 szabgab so what do you say dear Hyppolit he?
13:05 szabgab so far Hyppolit behaves :)
13:05 bricas szabgab: woot. :)
13:06 bricas i hope to be added some dist/author atom feeds in the very near future.
13:06 bricas that will be one of the more useful parts of the site.
13:07 Hyppolit #370: Directory Tree state is destroyed on refresh (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/370#comment:5 ]
13:07 rindolf szabgab: BTW, in case I haven't told you already - your talk about "How to start contributing to perl.org.il" was great.
13:07 szabgab ho! Hyppolit++
13:07 szabgab rindolf: thanks
13:08 rindolf szabgab: yes, I enjoyed it despite the fact that I was already familiar with most of what you said.
13:09 szabgab ok people so I fixed Hyppolit , it can now tell us again the ticket changes
13:10 bricas yay.
13:10 bricas szabgab: any idea on what padre's usage outside the perl community is like? or even a rough estimate of the padre user-base size?
13:10 szabgab now if I stopped having a feaver that would be awesome
13:11 szabgab bricas: no idea, the TPF survey showed 2-4%
13:11 szabgab but the big update will come once (and if ) Strawberry Prof essional will be released
13:11 rindolf szabgab: hmm.... I have some shivers too.
13:12 szabgab bricas: I'd love to know a bit more about the usage
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13:14 bricas no doubt.
13:14 szabgab oh btw, it was Purim for the schools today and my son dresses as Kaddafi, he event went to a dress competition
13:15 szabgab where one of the juries asked him who is Kaddafi
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13:15 szabgab as if we were not living in the neighborhood
13:16 szabgab anyway, the Padre web site gets about 300 visits/day
13:16 szabgab that jumped to 600 after thelast release
13:16 szabgab and that does not include trac
13:17 szabgab I hope :)
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13:18 El_Che my blog is more popular :)
13:18 szabgab El_Che:  really?
13:19 szabgab my website gets about 400 / day
13:19 szabgab if I don't write
13:19 szabgab when I write it goes down
13:20 El_Che haha
13:21 szabgab anyway, let me try to get back to the regex editor
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14:11 szabgab "abc" =~ /\d*/    will match at the beginning of the string with 0 width
14:11 szabgab can you give me an example for 0 width matching elsewhere?
14:12 szabgab mot at the beginning of the string
14:12 szabgab not*
14:18 El_Che http://www.regular-express​ions.info/lookaround.html
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15:49 El_Che how long does it take for search.cpan.org for updating new uploads?
15:50 szabgab "abc" =~ /(?=b)/
15:51 szabgab yeah, that would be a good case
15:54 szabgab El_Che: I think ususally a few hours top
15:54 szabgab but there are two sites, on e in Europe and on in US and they can get out of sync
16:08 Hyppolit svn: r14111 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14111
16:08 Hyppolit regex editor processing slightly reworked, several small bugs fixed
16:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
16:14 Hyppolit #899: (wishlist) Preferences: Use regex editor for the TODO regex (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/899#comment:3 ]
16:16 meorero Hi, I have just started writing mail to Padre-dev.
16:16 meorero I want to have the Hebrew (or Arabic) in right to left.
16:16 meorero I mean - the menus
16:20 Hyppolit #924: (wishlist) user-defined regex library, previously defined regexes, and Regexp::Common in the Regex Editor (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/924#comment:3 ]
16:25 meorero Well ... I'm going to send the question to the mailing list. bye
16:25 szabgab meorero: bye :)
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16:30 Hyppolit svn: r14112 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14112
16:30 Hyppolit tidy Hyppolit
16:30 Hyppolit trunk/Hyppolit/ trunk/Hyppolit/lib/
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18:00 Hyppolit svn: r14113 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14113
18:00 Hyppolit Regex Editor: update the description window when showing it for the first time
18:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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19:03 user_9954 Hello, how does one setup env variables to give to Padre in windows?
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21:25 El_Che ok, Module::Build is a bitch
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21:26 El_Che My dist depends on DataTime. DateTime depends on Module::Build >= 0.36 something
21:27 El_Che on older cpan: no-no
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21:33 Sewi ping szabgab
21:34 Hyppolit #105: recover files when padre has crashed (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/105#comment:3 ]
21:34 Sewi szabgab: The comment field in the trac wiki has 1px width here.
21:34 Sewi It's a little bit small to type :)
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21:49 Hyppolit #105: recover files when padre has crashed (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/105#comment:4 ]
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22:04 Hyppolit #255: Ctrl for hotkeys should be disabled on OS X (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/255#comment:2 ]
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22:19 Hyppolit #1176: Preferences 2.0.  Screen is to big (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1176 ]
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22:20 Hyppolit #162: CGContextRestoreGState: invalid context (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/162#comment:5 ]
23:01 El_Che Alias__: can you force module::install to install one module first? DateTime needs (but not requires!) a pretty recent version of Module::Build
23:01 Alias__ DateTime should declare the correct configure_requires
23:02 El_Che with my regular Makefile.PL DateCalc is installed before Module::Build breaking the install
23:02 El_Che chicken and egg
23:02 El_Che configure_requires is only for recent cpan clients
23:02 Alias__ right
23:03 El_Che e.g. the one supplied with debian 6.0 (just out) does not support it
23:03 El_Che I can ask to install Module::Build first in the perldoc, but it's not pretty
23:04 Alias__ What I was planning to do for M:I was to check immediately on configure_requires and throw a hard failure
23:04 Alias__ The absense of a configure_requires means by intuition that their CPAN is out of date
23:04 Alias__ I was planning to just error "Missing configure-time dependency, please upgrade your CPAN.pm" or something
23:04 El_Che good
23:05 El_Che now it gets lots in the output
23:05 Alias__ ya
23:05 El_Che I prefer your way
23:06 El_Che as a hack, does m:i support putting modules in front when installing?
23:06 El_Che or it's a random order?
23:06 El_Che it does not look random
23:08 Hyppolit svn: r14114 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14114
23:08 Hyppolit Updating File::Remove dependency on Windows to the non-broken version
23:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
23:11 Alias__ El_Che: M:I does it ordered, but that's just in case
23:12 Alias__ El_Che, it comes down to the underlying order of the communication between the configure process and the parent cpan client
23:12 Alias__ I think MYMETA.yml is unordered
23:12 El_Che ic
23:13 El_Che those are still from Module::Build (just migrated to m:i)
23:13 El_Che cleaning up
23:14 bowtie Alias__, what are the supported versions of cpan & cpanp that support "configure_require" please
23:15 Alias__ dunno about cpanp
23:15 bowtie Alias__, ok just cpan then
23:16 Alias__ But CPAN should be listed in the Changes
23:16 Alias__ Around about the time of 5.10.0
23:16 Alias__ 5.10.1 it went in the core I think
23:16 Alias__ Which is the important bit
23:16 Alias__ But for error purposes, the Makefile.PL or Build.PL shouldn't have to care
23:16 Alias__ configure_requires deps are available, or something is wrong
23:17 Alias__ It shouldn't have to guess at why
23:25 El_Che META.yml is unordered and the order that the cpan client chooses is different from that
23:26 Alias__ yup
23:26 El_Che so, warning in the perldoc it is
23:26 Alias__ Well, META.yml maps are ordered
23:26 Alias__ So it COULD, if it used a YAML parser that knows the order
23:27 El_Che it makes more sense to ask to upgrade CPAN instead of Module::Build
23:27 El_Che both actions fix the problem
23:27 Alias__ You don't know they have CPAN.pm
23:27 Alias__ Could be a manual run
23:27 Alias__ But I'll work through different messages when the time comes to add it
23:28 El_Che it has moose as a depencency, so manual install is pretty suicidal
23:28 Alias__ Doesn't stop people trying
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