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00:02 mj41 hmm, I just found this http://padre.perlide.org/trac/attachment/t​icket/1138/single-instance-unix-mj41.patch ... will use 'svn blame' tomorrow ... good night, really :-)
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07:13 szabgab gm
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07:14 szabgab hi azawawi
07:14 szabgab do you have some time to look at the regex editor?
07:15 szabgab in trunk
07:16 azawawi szabgab: gm
07:16 * azawawi is going through his inbox and backlogs
07:17 szabgab azawawi: there was no mail about it yet
07:18 azawawi szabgab: i subscribed to padre commits... :)
07:18 azawawi szabgab: and a lot of ticket changes so far
07:18 azawawi szabgab: 60+
07:18 szabgab yeah, I have been sick at home for the last 5 days :)
07:18 azawawi szabgab: and i have google reader stuff to read about perl5
07:18 azawawi szabgab: :)
07:18 azawawi szabgab: rss feeds
07:21 azawawi szabgab: the good news is that I am seeing more free time in my work schedule
07:21 Hyppolit #1133: ./dev can not be run on the branch (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1133#comment:3 ]
07:22 azawawi szabgab: http://blogs.perl.org/users/fibo/2011/0​3/a-node-programming-ide-for-perl.html
07:31 szabgab azawawi: nice , I just tried it
07:32 szabgab but when I run pniguitk.pl I don't get anything that seems interesting
07:32 szabgab There are two menus
07:32 szabgab Help on the right and Scenario on the left
07:33 szabgab and if I click on Scenarion/New  it just open another window like the previous one
07:34 azawawi szabgab: convert him to Padre? :)
07:36 szabgab let me try to understand what is "node programming" ?
07:38 szabgab azawawi: any pointers you might have?
07:39 azawawi szabgab: no i just read that blog post
07:39 azawawi szabgab: seems to me something related to genetics and stuff like that
07:41 azawawi szabgab: filezilla supports Arabic and it is wxwidgets-based
07:42 azawawi szabgab: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger​/4978/3977/1600/Arab_Windows.0.png
07:42 szabgab azawawi: and is it RTL in the widgets as well? and in the list of the menus?
07:42 azawawi szabgab: http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2006/10/r​ight-to-left-layout-rtl-support-in.html
07:42 szabgab I think what moreore wants is to have the 'File' menu on the right
07:43 azawawi it is on switch on the wxwindow or wxapp level
07:44 szabgab pls explain on the list as well
07:47 azawawi sure
07:47 * azawawi reboot &
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08:05 user_1922 hello
08:06 user_1922 guys I have a question about perl script can someone help me with that?
08:07 azawawi user_1922: sure
08:08 user_1922 ok
08:09 user_1922 I want to know if perl is able to do something I will explain now
08:09 * azawawi listens
08:09 user_1922 lets say I want to copy some news from a web page and there are pages like 1,2,3,4 and so on
08:10 user_1922 can it go to that web print the info from page one then go to page 2 and print info from there
08:11 azawawi print to the printer you mean?
08:11 user_1922 no
08:11 user_1922 to a file txt
08:12 azawawi sure
08:12 azawawi you open an http connection, you get that page, you parse it
08:12 user_1922 aha
08:12 azawawi and then save the information you need
08:13 user_1922 well I have done all that
08:13 azawawi what platform/Operating system are you on?
08:13 user_1922 windows
08:13 azawawi strawberry Perl?
08:13 user_1922 activ
08:13 azawawi ok
08:13 azawawi you have done all that?
08:15 user_1922 yep
08:15 user_1922 it is working on one page
08:15 user_1922 but when it has to go to page NEXT
08:15 user_1922 it is not working
08:16 azawawi user_1922: aha, maybe a session or cookie problem
08:16 user_1922 might be :(
08:16 user_1922 I have PM u
08:19 szabgab user_1922: maybe you want to pick a more personal nickname?
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08:53 azornik hi
08:55 azornik szabgab, here?
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09:06 user_1922 hi
09:12 mj41 user_1922: hello
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09:22 szabgab azornik: new nickname?
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10:21 waxhead in padre, how did we open the 'default' browser?
10:21 szabgab waxhead: see lib/Padre/Task/LaunchDefaultBrowser.pm
10:21 szabgab Wx::LaunchDefaultBrowser
10:22 szabgab but if you want the same functionality without Wx there is a module for that too
10:23 waxhead szabgab, cool thanks!!!
10:26 waxhead it's in Wx...
10:39 szabgab waxhead: btw I think I'll remove the 'trunk' keyword from the list of version in trac
10:40 szabgab as now people can report agains 0.85 and we know that's trunk
10:40 Hyppolit #1178: Closing docviewer crashes Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1178 ]
10:42 Hyppolit #1178: Closing docviewer crashes Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1178#comment:1 ]
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10:56 mj41 Where $self->outline_data (Padre::Document::Perl) is set?
10:57 szabgab mj41: I am not sure I understand your question
10:57 mj41 Looking on get_sub_line_number ... because ctrl+click on e.g. $self->get_sub_line_number don't jump on method definition.
10:58 mj41 print Dumper( $self->outline_data ) print undef.
10:59 szabgab have you searched for 'outline_data' ?
11:00 mj41 yes, only Class::XSAccessor  gettler settler  in Padre::Document
11:02 szabgab interesting, and is that code in use?
11:04 mj41 maybe it is somehow related to Padre::Wx::Outline
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11:37 Sewi hi all
11:40 mj41 Sewi: hi
11:40 Sewi Hi mj41, did you solve that server problem?
11:41 mj41 Sewi: Yes, but not sure solution is correct.
11:41 Sewi where s it?
11:41 mj41 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/attachment/t​icket/1138/single-instance-unix-mj41.patch
11:42 mj41 not final patch, but works.
11:42 mj41 trying to set up something like tortoisesvn blane on Linux
11:42 mj41 blame
11:43 mj41 to find related changes
11:43 Sewi try "svn blame" or use trac http://padre.perlide.org/trac/brows​er/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm
11:47 Sewi Looks good
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11:58 Hyppolit svn: r14125 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14125
11:58 Hyppolit Fix for #1138: Single instance server not working
11:58 Hyppolit
11:58 Hyppolit Please test this fix and reopen #1138 in case of any trouble!
11:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:00 szabgab Sewi: btw I think you can change the size of the editor window on trac
12:00 Sewi Good work mj41
12:00 Sewi szabgab: It has been fixed by you style update (center, etc.)
12:00 Hyppolit #1138: Padre single instance server not working (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1138#comment:13 ]
12:00 Sewi I could change the height, not the width
12:01 Sewi szabgab: Please test the fix if you got a minute
12:01 szabgab Sewi: oh I saw that happening as well
12:01 szabgab I don't know what fixed it, I updated Firefox to 4.rc
12:01 szabgab and rebooted my windows
12:02 mj41 Sewi: Introduced in adamk r13630 - Rewrote refresh_title to only calculate expensive variables if they are used
12:02 Hyppolit Changeset #13630 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/13630
12:02 szabgab mj41: could you please take a look at this page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/SingleInstance
12:03 szabgab Sewi: how can I test it?
12:03 Sewi Enable single-instance mode (preferences, 8th option from top on first tab) of you don't use it already
12:03 Sewi Run dev to start the instance
12:04 Sewi Run "dev Makefile.PL" (or any other file) to open a file in the running instance.
12:04 szabgab Sewi: could you please describe it on http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/SingleInstance ?
12:04 Sewi The file(s) should be openend in the instance and you shouldn't get any errors.
12:04 Sewi mj41: It's your patch, do you want to add it to the wiki?
12:07 Hyppolit #1138: Padre single instance server not working (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1138#comment:14 ]
12:09 szabgab I can confirm it works on my Ubuntu 10.10 and I'll add this to the wiki page as well but it would be nice if someone (mj41 ?) could go over that page and see if it is ok or add more explanation if needed
12:09 szabgab now I need a nap&
12:15 * Sewi is afk playing memory with Zoe :)
12:43 mj41 I will have some free time tomorrow evening. Will look on SingleInstance more.
12:46 Sewi Is fenderson still alive?
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13:36 fenderson yes
13:37 fenderson Sewi, i'm tryng to do tickets
13:37 fenderson to solve them
13:37 Sewi What is the current state of the tidy thing?
14:06 szabgab http://meorero.wordpress.com/2011/0​3/20/padre-0-84-heb-and-ara-purim/
14:08 Sewi funny, but looks like a bug to me :)
14:08 Hyppolit svn: r14126 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14126
14:08 Hyppolit link to the blog post of Oren Maurer
14:08 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
14:08 Sewi Did you add it to "about"/news already?
14:08 Sewi question answered :)
14:09 szabgab with top posting!
14:14 Hyppolit svn: r14127 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14127
14:14 Hyppolit small POD changes
14:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
14:20 szabgab Sewi: if you would like to create an orderedd list in pod you can use =item 1
14:20 Sewi thanks
14:27 Sewi szabgab: Did you remove the link to the PluginAPI?
14:28 szabgab where from ?
14:29 Sewi Features page
14:29 szabgab it is beneath "Extendable in Perl 5" but apparently it is unclear
14:30 szabgab Actually I think there should be a Features/Plugin or similar page
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14:30 szabgab that links to the API and/or to a bunch of plugins
14:31 Sewi ok :)
14:31 Sewi I changed "powerful API" to "powerful Plugin API" and made plugin api a link, so people will find it when looking for plugin api
14:31 szabgab we have now the http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
14:32 szabgab ok
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14:36 szabgab Sewi: it woul db enice if you could pick up one of the features and improve its page
14:36 Sewi I'm currently doing bad things - changing core :)
14:37 szabgab oh, in what way?
14:38 Sewi solving a very old ticket :)
14:39 Sewi I think we have a ticket for it
14:39 szabgab that's always good
14:40 Sewi Seems we don't have one, but we should have it: Delete files from within Padre
14:40 Sewi = delete a currently open file
14:40 szabgab I think I saw a related ticket
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14:40 szabgab for the project browser
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14:42 szabgab but I can't find it either
14:42 szabgab Sewi: so start by adding a ticket
14:44 Hyppolit #1179: Delete a file (editor tab) (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1179 ]
14:54 Hyppolit svn: r14128 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14128
14:54 Hyppolit Adding delete hooks to the PluginAPI
14:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
14:55 Hyppolit #1179: Delete a file (editor tab) (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1179#comment:1 ]
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15:09 Hyppolit svn: r14129 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14129
15:09 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
15:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:09 Hyppolit svn: r14130 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14130
15:09 Hyppolit fix closing DocBrowsers crashing Padre #510, #704, #1178
15:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:12 Hyppolit #1178: Closing docviewer crashes Padre (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1178#comment:2 ]
15:13 Hyppolit #704: Segfault when closing documentation dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/704#comment:3 ]
15:13 Hyppolit #704: Segfault when closing documentation dialog (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/704#comment:4 ]
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15:18 Hyppolit svn: r14131 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14131
15:18 Hyppolit Landing delete support in Padre::File
15:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
15:18 Hyppolit #1179: Delete a file (editor tab) (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1179#comment:2 ]
15:21 Hyppolit svn: r14132 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14132
15:21 Hyppolit #1179: Delete open files from within Padre
15:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
15:21 Hyppolit #1179: Delete a file (editor tab) (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1179#comment:3 ]
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15:24 Hyppolit svn: r14133 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14133
15:24 Hyppolit make tidy happy with a ;
15:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:26 szabgab Sewi: I am happy with the idea of being able to delete a file from inside Padre but I am not sure in needs to be in File/Delete, do people really want to delete a file they have currently open?
15:27 Steffen I just found a small technical reason to use 5.10.
15:27 Steffen mro
15:30 Steffen (for task specialization)
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15:45 Hyppolit #1171: Regex Editor highlighting seems to be broken (accepted defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1171#comment:5 ]
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16:23 bowtie Question: when running test on t/00-load.t for example
16:23 bowtie menu => Run = Run This Test
16:23 bowtie I was expecting "prove -l t/00-load.t" or "perl -Ilib t/00-load.t"
16:23 bowtie but I think Padre is doing "perl 00-load.t"
16:23 bowtie how do I make it do "prove -l t/00-load.t"
16:25 szabgab bowtie: have you checked in the source code what does Padre do in that case?
16:26 bowtie szabgab, no, which module will it be in, thanks
16:27 szabgab bowtie:  I am not sure, I'd search for the string in the menu to find the Action
16:28 szabgab and in the Action you will find the call
16:28 bowtie szabgab, ok will do, talk latter, thanks
16:28 szabgab bowtie: welcome
16:29 szabgab Sewi: have you seen the regexxer application in Ubuntu?
16:33 Sewi szabgab: I found myself starting on something which I didn't finish for some reason or replaced a file by functions in another one.
16:33 Sewi szabgab: But sure, the rename function will be more useful
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16:34 Sewi szabgab: No, I didn't see it
16:34 Hyppolit svn: r14134 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14134
16:34 Hyppolit comment out tests that I added earlier and that should probably not be a test at all
16:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
16:35 szabgab Sewi: I though more like having this feature in the Project Browser on the left might be more standard
16:35 Sewi No matter why we shouldn't add it. You're probably right.
16:37 Hyppolit svn: r14135 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14135
16:37 Hyppolit fix test running the ->core_styles method that was changed earlier
16:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
16:38 szabgab Sewi: heh?
16:39 Sewi You're probably right that it would be used more in the right click menu. And I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be added.
16:40 szabgab ah, now I get it :)
16:40 szabgab did I write right click,
16:40 Sewi right click in project browser
16:40 szabgab oh I mean right click of the project browser
16:40 szabgab ok
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17:52 bowtie szabgab, so this is what I found
17:52 bowtie szabgab, menu => Run = Run This Test
17:52 bowtie runs /Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm
17:52 bowtie sub on_run_this_test , starts line 2555
17:52 bowtie if I have read this correctly
17:52 bowtie line 2593, $self->run_command("$prove -bv $filename");
17:52 bowtie -b,  --blib        Add 'blib/lib' and 'blib/arch' to the path for your tests
17:52 bowtie should the -bv not be -lv or am I all confuzzeled
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18:19 Sewi bowtie: -l is the same for "lib"
18:19 Sewi Usually, you're developing in lib and make copies everything to blib
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18:25 bowtie Sewi, I don't usualy use blib only lib in a mod::install configuration, are you saying it will only work if i build blib with make, surley Run Build and Tests is for this
18:27 bowtie Sewi, are you sure, I thought you could run perl tests without first running make, say in a test driven enviroment?
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19:26 szabgab bowtie: sure you could run it with -l but the standard, as far as there is a standard in Perl is to rub with -b as in the generic case the make can make a lot of interesting things
19:26 szabgab but I guess this too could be made configurable in Padre
19:29 szabgab bowtie: so you should start by opening a ticket asking for such configuration option with some thoughts of use-cases and then we could discuss how to implement it
19:31 bowtie szabgab, I would normally run prove -l t/* from module root, this was my understanding from reading Perl Testing
19:31 szabgab With time I'd like this page: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wik​i/Features/AutomatedBuildAndTest do describe how the testing works in Padre
19:32 szabgab bowtie: I hardly ever use -l though yes, it can be handy too
19:33 bowtie szabgab, as I have bean looking at this today ok if I add to the wiki?
19:33 szabgab bowtie: but Padre is not trying to force you from one good habbit to another good habbit
19:33 szabgab bowtie: I was hoping you'll do it
19:34 bowtie szabgab, I saw that coming :))
19:36 bowtie szabgab, observation from wiki, you tell people how to install, not how to run, plus debian install via aptuide not apt-get
19:36 szabgab bowtie: it is not "you" it "we" tell people
19:37 szabgab are you talking about the Download pages? linked from http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download
19:38 szabgab I guess there could be a line about how to run padre, if that's what you mean
19:39 bowtie szabgab, yes, ubuntu is a deb distribution, and YOU use default apt-get, does aptiude not harp bak to cui text interfaces
19:39 szabgab or do you think about more or something elese?
19:40 szabgab well personally I use aptitude on the command line, if that's what you asked
19:40 bowtie szabgab, its just that if a new user has to down load via cpan, they will not get a nice icon on there desktop
19:41 Sewi bowtie: why?
19:41 szabgab so I don't understand what are you saying
19:41 Sewi there is an argument for padre to set up a desktop icon
19:42 bowtie szabgab, as I like your mindset towards new users, its only a suggestion
19:42 Sewi For the padre script
19:43 szabgab bowtie: but I don't understand WHAT is the suggestion?
19:44 bowtie szabgab, if a new user, first down load from cpan is padre, will they now what to do
19:45 bowtie szabgab, maybe it should be on web site not in wiki
19:45 szabgab bowtie: that was a question :)
19:46 bowtie szabgab, how to start padre
19:47 szabgab if I understand you correctly you suggest we have further explanation on the http://padre.perlide.org/download.html page on how to run padre after installation?
19:47 szabgab you mean to add "then type  padre"
19:47 szabgab ?
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19:48 Sewi sounds like a good idea...
19:49 bowtie szabgab, yes i guess so, plus a link to how to add icon to desktop or panel etc..
19:50 szabgab bowtie: and where do you suggest this sentence to go? under every linux distro we have listed there?
19:50 Sewi bowtie: Run padre --desktop
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19:52 bowtie szabgab, no, on this page http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
19:53 szabgab yes on that page, but where on that page?
19:54 bowtie szabgab, Source code section, it,'s high level
19:57 Sewi bowtie, do you have a Padre trunk checkout ?
19:58 bowtie Sewi, yes, At revision 14135.
19:58 Sewi Do you also have the template.padre.perlide.org directory?
19:59 bowtie Sewi, yes got that as well
19:59 Sewi Would you like to add the start information where you like and attach the diff to a trac ticket?
20:01 bowtie Sewi, yes i can do that, Q, ticket title an ref info please, so i enter it correctly
20:01 Sewi Create a ticket with some title which is suitable.
20:02 bowtie Sewi, ok
20:07 bowtie Sewi, $padre --desktop ; --desktop not implemented for linux, just for info
20:08 Sewi azawawi--; # I was sure he did it also for Linux :-( Sorry
20:08 Sewi azawawi++; # For making --desktop for windows
20:09 Sewi karma desktop
20:09 Hyppolit Karma of desktop is 0
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20:15 El_Che lo padres
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20:17 szabgab hi El_Che
20:18 Hyppolit #661: segfault when closing the document browser using x (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/661#comment:3 ]
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20:24 Hyppolit #353: Wide (UTF-8) characters cannot be input at start of a line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/353#comment:8 ]
20:24 Hyppolit #416: encode dialog (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/416#comment:4 ]
20:25 szabgab Sewi: btw #391
20:25 Hyppolit #391: Allow renaming a file (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/391#comment:1 ]
20:25 Sewi szabgab: Thanks, I was sure there was a ticket :)
20:26 Hyppolit #391: Allow renaming a file (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/391#comment:2 ]
20:27 Hyppolit #244: open file, remember path (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/244#comment:2 ]
20:28 Hyppolit #281: TDD using Padre (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/281#comment:2 ]
20:29 Hyppolit #963: Filename disappears from status (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/963#comment:1 ]
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20:30 Hyppolit #779: Add support for Template Toolkit files (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/779#comment:2 ]
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20:31 Hyppolit #840: Display Project info and statistics (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/840#comment:1 ]
20:32 Hyppolit #1055: Expand the notion of a "project" in Padre (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1055#comment:1 ]
20:47 Hyppolit #748: Padre 0.50 can not be installed if 0.45 is installed (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/748#comment:1 ]
20:53 Hyppolit #707: Don't show unncecessary windows (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/707#comment:3 ]
20:54 Hyppolit #706: Remember settings (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/706#comment:1 ]
20:55 Hyppolit #1056: Open URL dialog should show which URL types are supported (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1056#comment:1 ]
20:55 Hyppolit #1084: Tooltip expression evaluation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1084#comment:1 ]
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23:15 Hyppolit #707: Don't show unncecessary windows (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/707#comment:4 ]
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