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02:21 shmuel01 hi
02:21 shmuel01 can someone help me update my Padre installation?
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02:23 shmuel ummm...
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02:25 shmuel I have Padre 0.50 installed on MacOSX
02:26 shmuel using the 'experimental mac packaging'
02:26 shmuel but now I want to update it.
02:27 shmuel I can not do 'cpan Padre', as Padre's pm-s are installed in different directory
02:27 shmuel I can not use local::lib, as the that directory does not follow the /lib format
02:28 shmuel how do I update this padre installation?
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03:47 Hyppolit svn: r14170 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14170
03:47 Hyppolit Move Outline building to PPIx::EditorTools::Outline 0.12
03:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
03:50 Hyppolit svn: r14171 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14171
03:50 Hyppolit perltidy
03:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
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03:59 shmuel hello? is anyone alive here?
04:00 szabgab good morning
04:00 szabgab shmuel: back in Japan?
04:01 szabgab shmuel: I read in the backlog you cannot cpan Padre ? how did you install padre in the first place?
04:11 shmuel hi gabor.
04:12 szabgab hi shmuel
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04:12 shmuel I have not left japan - just took a vacation on the south end
04:12 shmuel now I'm back in tokyo
04:12 szabgab I thought you were in .il a few weeks or month? ago
04:12 shmuel I installed Padre using the macosx package
04:12 szabgab how are things there?
04:13 szabgab oh the  .dmg on our site?
04:13 shmuel yes, the dmg
04:13 szabgab we have no idea how was that prepared
04:13 szabgab and the guy who made it have not followed up since then
04:13 geck lol
04:14 shmuel uffff
04:14 szabgab yep
04:15 * geck is going to try and install via cpanm
04:15 shmuel gabor: I was in Israel a month ago, but after the earthquake here a lot of gaigins have left japan.
04:15 szabgab shmuel: maybe you could try using the citrusperl on Mac
04:15 shmuel citrusperl?
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04:16 szabgab Hyppolit: citrusperl is http://www.citrusperl.org/
04:16 Hyppolit citrusperl was unknown
04:16 Hyppolit citrusperl is now http://www.citrusperl.org/
04:16 geck can't see it being that hard to install on OSX
04:17 geck might need to grab some libraries off of macport..
04:17 szabgab geck: it should not but we keep seeing people complaining
04:17 shmuel what is weird is that I have wxPerl installed,
04:17 shmuel but if I do cpan Padre
04:17 shmuel it want to install Alien::Wxwidgets
04:17 szabgab we have some instructions here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX
04:18 geck only time I can remember trying was cpan dep-hell
04:18 szabgab but I don't know how good are those
04:18 szabgab shmuel: I am almost sure we have updaed some requirements there since 0.50
04:19 shmuel ok I will try to install from cpan, and remove the current installation
04:19 shmuel see you.
04:19 szabgab see you
04:22 geck oohh bug in File::Path
04:24 geck updated it to 2.08 and it seems to be installing "normally"
04:25 geck (had to manually update, there was a bug in its test)
04:25 szabgab will you report it to RT ?
04:25 geck szabgab: once I write a patch for it :)
04:26 szabgab :)
04:41 shmuel hi.
04:41 shmuel I have a test fail
04:42 shmuel t/07-version.t ............. 1/4 spawning 'wxPerl' interpreter for OS X
04:42 shmuel wxPerl: posix_spawn: /Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level/​auto/Wx/wxPerl.app/Contents/MacOS/wxPerl5.10.0: No such file or directory
04:42 shmuel #   Failed test 'Version string text'
04:42 shmuel #   at t/07-version.t line 22.
04:42 shmuel #                   ''
04:42 shmuel #     doesn't match '(?-xism:Perl Application Development and Refactoring Environment)'
04:42 shmuel #   Failed test 'Version number'
04:42 shmuel #   at t/07-version.t line 23.
04:42 shmuel #                   ''
04:42 shmuel #     doesn't match '(?-xism:0.84)'
04:42 shmuel # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 4.
04:42 shmuel t/07-version.t ............. Dubious, test returned 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)
04:43 shmuel the file is wxPerl and not wxPerl5.10.0
04:44 shmuel I will try to soft-link...
04:49 shmuel now it is stuck as:
04:49 shmuel t/07-version.t ............. 1/4 spawning 'wxPerl' interpreter for OS X
04:53 shmuel hmmm... interesting
04:54 shmuel the build process uses /usr/bin/perl to run the tests,
04:54 shmuel and checking the version is done using
04:55 shmuel /usr/bin/perl script/padre --version
04:55 shmuel but cpan is running for wxPerl, not perl
04:55 shmuel maybe this is why it stuck?
05:09 shmuel I'm sorry, but I failed to install PAdre
05:16 Alias_ Mac is the hardest platform alas
05:16 Alias_ Mostly because it's the worst when it comes to toolchain and consistency
05:20 shmuel hi adam
05:20 shmuel well, playing with links I managed to pass test nd install
05:21 shmuel now I get an error: wxPerl quit unexpectedly while using the threads.bundle plug-in
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05:24 lt_bytes hello all
05:34 Hyppolit svn: r14172 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14172
05:34 Hyppolit some code reorganization to make it easier to move the PPI syntax highlighter to external package
05:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
05:37 lt_bytes busy in here  ....
05:42 lt_bytes is anyone alive in here?
05:45 shmuel not me
05:46 lt_bytes then u are dead , or is it 'undead' tonight?
05:46 shmuel what night? it is the middle of the day
05:47 lt_bytes lol - that depends on where (or who) u are ...
05:50 Alias_ hi
05:50 Alias_ It's 5pm
05:50 lt_bytes hello
05:50 lt_bytes lol
05:50 lt_bytes it's 1250 am here
05:52 lt_bytes is padre written 100% in perl?
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05:58 Alias_ Pretty much
05:58 Alias_ Most of it is Perl, some of it uses CPAN modules that contain some C, and the padre.exe launcher is done with C
05:58 Alias_ But the actual core IDE is all Perl
05:59 Alias_ And you can hack it yourself
05:59 lt_bytes well - perhaps you can , I'm still noob with perl..
06:00 lt_bytes but I started using Padre instead of the terminal and have found that I like it better...
06:00 lt_bytes it reminds me of Komodo , without the price...
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07:12 szabgab btw for mac people: https://rt.cpan.org/Public​/Bug/Display.html?id=66723
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07:14 Sewi Sounds good
07:15 Sewi Shall we bump the Wx version requirement for Mac only?
07:19 szabgab Sewi: no need for that
07:20 szabgab if people already have wx then they don't need a newer one and besides the game is not over
07:20 Sewi Oh right, we were missing threads, not Wx.
07:48 El_Che threads are a perlbrew away
07:48 El_Che wx isn't
08:05 fenderson hi gm
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08:17 Hyppolit svn: r14173 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14173
08:17 Hyppolit better abstract
08:17 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/
08:19 Hyppolit svn: r14174 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14174
08:19 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Simplify the directory structure for the bundled scintilla distribution in an attempt to remove the name 'stc' and 'wx/stc'
08:19 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/wx/stc/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/stc/
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08:20 azawawi good morning
08:23 Hyppolit svn: r14175 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14175
08:23 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] More directory structure simplification and stc to scintilla name changing
08:23 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
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08:28 szabgab hi marcela , have you seen the issue that came up a few days ago with FC12?
08:28 szabgab see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadFedora for some details
08:28 marcela szabgab: morning
08:29 marcela yes, you should definitely update your wiki, F-12 is dead
08:29 szabgab oh, yes morning too :)
08:29 marcela and we have probably solution for this bug
08:29 * marcela is looking into bugzilla
08:29 szabgab what? F-12 is dead?
08:30 marcela szabgab: we don't support Fedora releases for long time
08:30 marcela every half year new release, and we support only last three
08:31 szabgab oh, I am not up to date with version numbers :)
08:31 Hyppolit svn: r14176 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14176
08:31 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] 'Build test' works again the directory structure simplification
08:31 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/XS/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/cpp/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
08:31 szabgab so could you please tell me the versions of padre in F13, 14 and 15 ?
08:32 szabgab or better yet, I think you have access to our trac/wiki, right?
08:33 marcela I found the bug, but we see a little different warning https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=656317
08:33 marcela we suppose it should be fixed with Wx 0.97 and later
08:34 marcela szabgab: I have, so I edit it
08:34 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadFedora changed by szabgab
08:34 szabgab I added the outline for it, thanks for updating the actual data
08:37 marcela szabgab: btw I asked few people about Perl in their companies and updated list of companies a little
08:37 marcela I have no idea that CERN is using for their grid Perl scripts
08:39 szabgab marcela: oh, where did you update the list?
08:40 marcela szabgab: https://www.socialtext.net/​perl5/companies_using_perl
08:41 szabgab ah, I see
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08:43 Hyppolit svn: r14177 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14177
08:43 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] 'Build test' works once again after flushing out the name stc... :)
08:43 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/XS/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/cpp/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
08:44 Sewi Anybody knows the requirements to edit the perl wiki https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/ ? Registration is disabled :-(
08:46 marcela szabgab: you gave me account, but how other people could join?
08:47 Sewi Oh, I just saw that there is a list of admins who could send invitations. :-)
08:47 * Sewi begs szabgab for an invitation
08:47 Hyppolit svn: r14178 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14178
08:47 Hyppolit opy the lexer code used for syntax highlighting in adre::Document::Perl::PPILexer to PPIx::EditorTools::Lexer
08:47 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/
08:48 szabgab marcela: shell I add you to be an admin on the socialtext wiki?
08:49 marcela szabgab: no, people prefer give me information and I have to edit ;-)
08:50 szabgab whatever suits you :)
08:50 szabgab I asked the other admins to put their names on that wiki
08:50 szabgab page
08:51 szabgab and as I can see a week (or two?) later, and I am still alone :(
08:51 szabgab Sewi: have you got the invitation?
08:51 * azawawi &
08:51 szabgab https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/support
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08:52 Sewi szabgab: Not now, but it's likely that mail mailboxes delay things :) thanks for sending
08:56 Hyppolit # 663 :  Rewritten Win32 launcher (closed enhancement) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/663#comment:6 ]
08:58 Hyppolit # 677 :  Win32 launcher: embed Perl (closed enhancement) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/677#comment:13 ]
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09:03 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadFedora changed by mmaslano
09:06 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadFedora changed by mmaslano
09:08 szabgab marcela: thanks for updatuing the wiki but why did you remove the old info?
09:08 szabgab I am sure there are some lost souls out there (or companies) still using older versions
09:09 marcela szabgab: we didn't support older releases, I hope these souls use CentOS in this case
09:09 marcela szabgab: but you might be right, I look at history of page
09:10 szabgab I do consulting and training at companies and I constantly bump into ancient versions of distros
09:10 marcela they are not afraid of security issues
09:10 szabgab the fear of upgrade is big in their hart
09:10 szabgab they are used to run windows :)
09:11 marcela well, I'm afraid upgrade to latest Fedora, so I do understand them
09:11 * Sewi just met Ubuntu 7 at a client
09:12 El_Che We have still a redhat 6.0 and a unix rm400 running
09:12 El_Che the last a critical application :)
09:12 El_Che we were so smart to move those machines from the unix department to the windows department :)
09:14 El_Che there os does not exist from mid '90 or something
09:15 El_Che good old sinix
09:15 szabgab another client just upgraded to suse 11.0
09:15 szabgab which was WOL a bout a year ago
09:15 szabgab EOL
09:21 Hyppolit # 1188 :  Mouse wheel scrolling should be faster (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1188 ]
09:21 Sewi <discussion>What about a Facebook-like button on padre.perlide.org?</discussion>
09:24 marcela that's discrimination of people who don't have facebook ;-)
09:24 El_Che Sewi: please no spyware
09:24 marcela you would need a lot of other buttons of all possible sites ;-)
09:24 El_Che those things are tracking devices
09:25 Sewi We could use addthis.com which removes the facebook spy factor and could show the sites preferred by the user.
09:33 szabgab or we could run a little survey, oh I am so late with some of the work I wanted to do
09:41 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadFedora changed by mmaslano
09:49 szabgab marcela: thanks
09:49 szabgab its nice to have some historical items there
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10:20 waxhead_ hey everyone
10:20 waxhead_ is now known as waxhead
10:21 waxhead ready for another release?
10:21 szabgab hi waxhead
10:21 szabgab try the folowing:   Hyppolit op me
10:21 waxhead Hyppolit op me
10:21 waxhead nope.. :)
10:22 waxhead Hyppolit op me please
10:22 szabgab Hyppolit: op me
10:22 szabgab try with the :
10:23 waxhead Hyppolit: op me
10:23 szabgab or maybe without Hyppolit at all ?
10:23 szabgab op me
10:24 waxhead op me
10:24 waxhead oh. that works
10:24 szabgab yeah :)
10:24 waxhead that's handy...
10:24 szabgab hopefully it is only for trusted users :)
10:24 waxhead is now known as nottrusted
10:24 nottrusted op me
10:24 Hyppolit Sorry, user 'nottrusted' is not in the list of trusted users
10:24 nottrusted is now known as waxhead
10:24 waxhead op me
10:25 szabgab you are alreeady op :)
10:25 waxhead so it seems
10:32 bowtie fenderson, are you ready?
10:37 fenderson bowtie, first
10:38 fenderson i think it will be great if you write little bit more about vanilla build
10:38 fenderson second i still dont get the run under EUMM
10:38 fenderson its a module
10:38 fenderson i downloaded it
10:38 fenderson and the others aswell
10:38 fenderson why there is a catagory
10:38 fenderson i open the module?
10:40 bowtie fenderson, wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]Wiki/VanillaBuild changed by Sewi
10:40 fenderson you tried that link?
10:44 bowtie fenderson, ok, Vanilla build or Skeleton Generation, module-starter can generate 3 types enmm mi md
10:45 fenderson ok
10:46 fenderson how do i test them?
10:46 bowtie fenderson, mi => Module::Install, mb => Module::Build and eumm => ExtUtils::MakeMaker
10:46 fenderson yes i know i read it
10:46 fenderson but
10:47 fenderson you wrote something like that
10:47 fenderson it should be writen
10:47 fenderson open padre
10:47 fenderson and you start the tests right
10:47 fenderson ?
10:47 fenderson so category one is EUMM
10:48 fenderson so i have to do Run This Test
10:48 fenderson under EUMM
10:48 fenderson how do i do it under the moduel?
10:48 fenderson i open the module and run the test?
10:48 bowtie fenderson, create a skeleton either from command line with suggested code or from within Padre File=>Run=>Perl Distribution
10:50 bowtie fenderson, now open the dir t and load one of the test scripts,
10:51 fenderson first, it will be great if you
10:51 fenderson you'll write that there
10:52 bowtie fenderson, I will up date the wiki:File=>Run=>Perl Distribution for how to do this within Padre latter.
10:53 fenderson i tried few tests
10:53 fenderson and its working
10:53 bowtie fenderson, but that page did not exist when I started
10:53 fenderson i learned about Distribution little bit more than about tests
10:53 fenderson what's the tests about
10:53 fenderson ?
10:53 fenderson modules?
10:54 fenderson distribution?
10:54 fenderson tests?
10:54 Hyppolit tests is http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/PreReleaseChecklist
10:55 bowtie fenderson, If you perform the test on your t file, in the suggested order, do you get the same result
10:56 fenderson let me see
10:58 fenderson i think yes
10:58 fenderson but!
10:58 fenderson :)
10:58 fenderson when i opened the Wx
10:58 fenderson main.pm
10:58 fenderson i dont get to do Run This Test
10:59 bowtie fenderson, if you edit main.pm and change prove switch to -l, you will need to restart Padre
11:00 fenderson ok i'll do it
11:00 fenderson coming back 10in
11:00 fenderson min
11:00 Sewi fenderson: Which IRC client do you use? I get your sentences splitted by many line breaks which fills up the IRC windows very quickly. The line "but :-) when I opened the Wx main.pm i dont get to do Run this Test" was spread over 5 lines.
11:00 bowtie fenderson, :)
11:01 bowtie Sewi, same for me
11:03 bowtie Sewi, i use Xchat is that ok, or should I be using something else?
11:03 Sewi bowtie: It also appears on pidgin, might be a problem of fenderson's client while sending...
11:04 bowtie Sewi, ok, thanks
11:58 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wik​i/Features/AutomatedBuildAndTest changed by bowtie
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12:45 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wik​i/Features/AutomatedBuildAndTest changed by bowtie
12:54 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wik​i/Features/AutomatedBuildAndTest changed by bowtie
12:57 Hyppolit # 1189 :  Add "fold all" and "unfold all" menu options (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1189 ]
13:00 Hyppolit # 1190 :  Add "fold this" and "unfold this" menu options (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1190 ]
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13:14 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/Features/VisualEditorEffects changed by szabgab
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14:09 Hyppolit # 1096 :  Padre freeze (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1096#comment:2 ]
14:12 Hyppolit # 1191 :  Disable highligher during mass open (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1191#comment:1 ]
14:20 Hyppolit # 1192 :  "Fold all" does not fold all (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1192 ]
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16:38 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/​Features/ProjectSkeletonGeneration changed by bowtie
16:41 Hyppolit # 1183 :  Before_save_tidy (closed task) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1183#comment:1 ]
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17:02 Hyppolit svn: r14179 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14179
17:02 Hyppolit Add menu options in the View menu to "Fold All" and "Unfold All"
17:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
17:02 Hyppolit # 1189 :  Add "fold all" and "unfold all" menu options (closed enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1189#comment:1 ]
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17:10 bowtie szabgab, comments please regarding skeleton wiki page
17:12 szabgab bowtie: starting to look very nice, thank you!
17:12 Sewi wow! The skeleton/action table at the bottom is not completely clear to me and the style isn't Padre default - but this is only cosmetic and doesn't really matter :-)
17:13 szabgab I would be happy with some explanation at the top as for what is it for
17:13 szabgab and mentioning that it is using Module::Starter
17:14 bowtie szabgab, ok will think about that and do latter
17:28 szabgab bowtie: thanks
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17:32 bowtie szabgab, is it ok to create a symbolic link between Padre/share/templates/ ~/.module-starter/templates or will this break Padre
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17:49 szabgab bowtie: in your installation? try it
17:49 szabgab but we cannot  do that in the general case
17:50 szabgab OTOH Padre might need to know about the location of .module-starter if that's a standard of MS
17:50 bowtie szabgab, ok, will play around, get back to you latter, thanks
17:51 szabgab remember Padre also runs on windows
17:52 bowtie szabgab, Padre already uses /.module-starter because it's part of module-starter and Padre just calls it .
17:57 bowtie szabgab, my observation is that, if you have a /.module-starter/ dir with templates, Padre will use them for skeleton build via module-starter, but if you then File => New => Perl 5 Script, Padre use templates from Padre/share/templates/
17:57 szabgab I don't think that Padre itself knows about ~/.module-starter, I guess the MS module does that
17:58 bowtie szabgab, does module-starter not have a win config dir ?
17:58 szabgab no idea
17:58 bowtie szabgab, correct MS does
17:59 szabgab but if MS handles its directory then we don't need any symlink or further specialization we just need to talk to MS
17:59 bowtie szabgab, this is just an observation, not a criticism.
18:02 bowtie szabgab, I don.t even think it should be on a wish list as its so far in future, any body using /.module-starter/config can work around, as long as they no, henc I bring this to your attention
18:04 bowtie szabgab, hence the notes on wiki
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18:47 Hyppolit svn: r14180 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14180
18:47 Hyppolit Add menu option to Fold/Unfold where the cursor is now
18:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
18:48 Hyppolit # 1190 :  Add "fold this" and "unfold this" menu options (closed enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1190#comment:1 ]
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19:08 Hyppolit svn: r14181 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14181
19:08 Hyppolit PPIx::EditorTools release v0.13
19:08 Hyppolit trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/
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21:08 verrukta Hello, i use Padre on WinXP with Strawberry. My Padre crashs/freez often and i want identify the problem. My question is how can i enable Debug, logging for Padre. Or any other ideas?
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