Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-05-03

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02:50 Hyppolit svn: r14275 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14275
02:50 Hyppolit Bump FBP::Perl to 0.33 to get a variety of fixes
02:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/
02:51 Alias Righto, hopefully that should fix my Padre::Wx::Dialog::Text changes
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03:40 Hyppolit svn: r14276 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14276
03:40 Hyppolit With the addition of appropriate sizer hints, this dialog now behaves properly.
03:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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04:17 Hyppolit svn: r14277 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14277
04:17 Hyppolit Migrated Padre::Wx::Dialog::Text from Padre::Wx::Dialog to wxFormBuilder
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04:26 Hyppolit svn: r14278 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14278
04:26 Hyppolit Don't store anything non-public in the hash for the dialog.
04:26 Hyppolit This should force stricter adherance to shim usage and stop people "cheating"
04:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
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05:25 Alias oh baby
05:26 Alias That turned out to be easier than I expected
05:26 Alias The FormBuilder plugin is really starting to feel like a real thing now
05:28 Hyppolit svn: r14279 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14279
05:28 Hyppolit Complete reorganisation into a permanent dialog
05:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
05:32 Alias Probably time to release it now methinks
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05:42 Hyppolit svn: r14280 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14280
05:42 Hyppolit Preview is working again
05:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
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06:14 bowtie Alias, ping
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06:23 Hyppolit svn: r14281 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14281
06:23 Hyppolit Upgraded the dialog in Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder so it is generated by itself
06:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
06:23 Alias pong
06:25 bowtie Alias, morning, thought I would get early and say hi, enough of that, wiki prefs draft?
06:25 bowtie Alias, is it helpful
06:27 bowtie Alias, At revision 14280. sudo make install => Segmentation fault, just for info..
06:36 Alias wiki prefs draft?
06:37 bowtie Alias, just for you, http://padre.perlide.org/trac/​wiki/Features/ToolsPrefernces
06:40 Hyppolit svn: r14282 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14282
06:40 Hyppolit Regenerated the dialog after more tweaks to PBP::Perl to support ->Disable properly
06:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/fbp/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
06:41 Alias You missed an e btw
06:41 Alias :)
06:41 Alias But I take it you hand-typed it :)
06:42 bowtie Alias, thanks for the e, yes, mkdir touch and tree
06:45 Hyppolit svn: r14283 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14283
06:45 Hyppolit Stop cheating when accessing form elements
06:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
06:52 bowtie Alias, from using padre, doing some wiki pages, its clear that some prefs don't function as describe, if at all, ie ANSI colour in output from prove
06:53 bowtie Alias, items Add_another_closing_bracket and  Autocompleat_brackets, seam to work as one,
06:55 bowtie Alias, I can see that working on prefs, only highlights items that have not seen the light of day for a while, hence my comments,
06:57 Alias Yeah
06:57 Alias So this problem occured because Preferences was too hard to work on
06:57 Alias It meant a fair whack of code to change anything
06:57 Alias So I've concentrated on getting it into wxFormBuilder, rather than fixing Preferences dialog itself
06:58 Alias The idea being that once it's in there, you can go and chance Preferences visually, and relatively easily
06:58 Alias So that you can change Preferences at a similar pace to the ease that you can add/remove/change the core config entries
06:58 Alias And for things that don't work, it's really REALLY easy to remove them from the main headline preference sdialog
06:59 Alias They can still be accessed from Advanced... but they should be out of the public eye unless they work and actually get used
06:59 Alias My current reorganisation of Preferences only changed a few fairly obvious things, to demonstrate that it's easy to reorganise
06:59 Alias I by no means did a thorough job of it
06:59 Alias I'm expecting others to tweak and tune the preferences dialog after 0.86
07:00 Alias Having completed Preferences, which was the biggest headache for the Padre::Wx::Dialog --> wxFormBuilder conversion, my next task is to convert ALL the remaining other dialogs to wxFormBuilder
07:00 Alias So that we are no longer using the original fairly ancient dialog generator at all
07:01 Alias And nothing uses fixed pixel positioning any more, and everything scales, and the User Interface nerds can play around with all of them
07:02 Alias The one or two remaining completely manual dialogs are likely to be Main and maybe Plugin Manager
07:04 bowtie Alias, Cool, :),  ok so where is the info on wxFormBuilder and perl, as I all ready use glade and gtk
07:04 Alias It's pretty similar
07:04 Alias wxFormBuilder is the GUI program
07:04 Alias You generate the dialog there and save as .fbp file
07:04 Alias Then in Padre, install the Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder plugin
07:05 Alias That plugin is used to generated the dialog code
07:07 bowtie Alias, O the missing link, PPFB, I will have a nosey, thanks,
07:07 Hyppolit svn: r14284 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14284
07:07 Hyppolit Updated to the latest version of Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder and FBP::Perl
07:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
07:07 Alias For a big example, see /Padre/fbp/Preferences.fbp in the repository
07:07 Alias That's the dialog for the entire preferences dialog
07:08 Alias The matching code is in /Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/Preferences.pm
07:08 bowtie Alias, thanks
07:08 Alias And the final dialog subclassing the generated one is /Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Preferences.pm
07:11 Hyppolit svn: r14285 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14285
07:11 Hyppolit Updated to the latest Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder
07:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
07:12 Hyppolit svn: r14286 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14286
07:12 Hyppolit Updated to the latest version of Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder and FBP::Perl
07:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
07:13 bowtie Alias, should I colourise the wiki page to highlight items that need attention?
07:14 Hyppolit svn: r14287 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14287
07:14 Hyppolit Updated to the latest version of Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder and FBP::Perl
07:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
07:14 Alias Personally, I prefer to just remove anything that doesn't work :)
07:14 Alias And put the responsibility on whoever wants that feature to fix it when they put it back :)
07:14 Alias At least that way the user doesn't get something broken
07:15 Alias I gotta run, Sydney.pm meeting
07:15 bowtie Alias, good to talk , thanks, ;)
07:16 Alias The Preferences dialog also really needs to have a nicer layout
07:16 Alias Just fiddling with sizers, but leaving the actual elements the same
07:16 Alias That should be almost completely able to be done just inside of wxFormBuilder
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09:42 El_Che someone here runs ubuntu and has failing t/76-preferences.t ?
09:44 El_Che http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1210
09:44 El_Che i have it on 2 pcs , ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 perlbrewed perl
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11:02 bowtie El_Che, are you trying to use r14287?
11:02 Hyppolit Changeset #14287 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14287
11:04 bowtie El_Che, if so you need to install FBP::Perl and deps ;)
11:04 bowtie El_Che, I think?
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11:31 El_Che hi bowtie
11:35 bowtie El_Che, ho
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12:20 user_ryanrj I was wondering how I provide standard input (for STDIN) within PADRE. Many thanks.
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15:51 szabgab hi
15:51 * szabgab is reading backlog
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15:52 Jake question: is Padre broken in ubuntu 11.04? is there a known issue about this and is there an eta? thanks in advance
15:53 szabgab Jake: I have not tried padre in 11.04 yet, I am using 10.10
15:53 Jake there is a bun reported to ubuntu
15:54 Jake im just wondering if the devs of padre are aware of it
15:54 szabgab but if you think it is broken there, then please fill a bug report with ubuntu as they are the distributers, what we can do is document the issue on our wiki
15:54 szabgab and also help you install the latest version of Padre from CPAN
15:54 szabgab Jake: if there is areport already, could you give us the link?
15:55 Jake https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu​ntu/+source/padre/+bug/761782
15:55 Sewi Hi szabgab
15:55 Jake i uninstalled the version that comes with natty and installed the one from cpa nand get same results as in this bug issue
15:55 szabgab hi Sewi
15:56 Jake cpan not cpa :P
15:56 szabgab Jake: the issues seems to be in their WxWidgets or in Wx
15:56 Jake new kb doesnt like me
15:56 szabgab so probably you will need to force install those from CPAN
15:56 szabgab it is PITA but that usually works
15:56 Jake any pointers to give me?
15:57 Jake I love padre hehe cant live without it and i cant revert my upgrade to 11.04
15:58 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu
16:00 Jake Alien::wxWidgets is up to date (0.51)
16:00 Jake Wx is up to date (0.98).
16:00 szabgab probably, but they were still incorrectly compiled
16:01 szabgab I'd probably insall local::lib to be on the safe side
16:01 Jake ok so u want me to force a reinstall of both these from cpan?
16:01 szabgab and then force install alien::wxWidgets (and tell it to compile)
16:01 szabgab from CPAN
16:01 Jake kk sec
16:01 szabgab an d then force install Wx
16:03 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by szabgab
16:03 Jake hehe
16:03 Jake nice
16:04 Jake installing Wx now
16:06 Jake sorry about the delay
16:06 Jake my work pc is tired and my boss is to cheap
16:06 szabgab it takes time to compile those
16:07 Jake well first 2 took under a minute
16:07 Jake its Wx thats taking a while hehe
16:07 szabgab if it was that fast then you did not compile wxwidgets
16:07 szabgab let's hope that the problem was in Wx only
16:08 Jake well up to now this is what i did
16:08 Jake in order
16:08 Jake sudo cpan
16:08 szabgab Alien::wxWidgets by deafault uses the one you already have installed, I  think
16:08 Jake install local::lib
16:08 Jake force install Alien::wxWidgets
16:08 Jake force install Wx
16:08 szabgab local::lib should not need sudo :(
16:09 Jake well i always launch cpan as sudo then install what i need once in cpan
16:09 Jake im a noob as u can see
16:09 szabgab well, we are all noob in some area
16:09 szabgab in most areas
16:10 Jake im learning perl and loving it and padre is helping me a lot in that learning by being so nice and simple
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16:10 Jake ok wx installed
16:10 Jake gonna launch padre now
16:10 szabgab IMHO the main point of local::lib is that you don't install as root and don't mix systme installed stuff with CPAN installed stuff
16:11 Jake oups
16:11 Jake well it works now mate
16:11 szabgab that's great to hear
16:12 Jake i can launch both the cpan version from /usr/local/bin and the ubuntu release that is in /usr/bin
16:12 Jake so thast the steps i would put for natty users till ubuntu fixes there release
16:12 Jake thanks for the quick fix and keep up the good work Padre is awesome
16:12 szabgab thanks
16:12 szabgab please tell others about it
16:13 Jake hehe ill scream about it
16:13 Jake gotta go lunch now ttyl
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16:19 Supersede screaming about this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1745375 myself :) looks like I got here at the right time
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16:21 Hyppolit # 1209 :  Enable MooseX::Declare Method Modifiers in OutLine (new enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1209#comment:6 ]
16:22 szabgab Sewi: ^^^^ my comment
16:23 szabgab Supersede: please link to our wiki from there so others can find solution and help us make the explanation more user friendly
16:25 Supersede no problem
16:26 Supersede i'm also going to put a copy of your conversation up there if that is ok?
16:27 szabgab Supersede: yes, thoug you might also link to the logs of the channel
16:27 Supersede yep, i found those!
16:27 szabgab http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/2011-05-03
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17:29 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by szabgab
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17:30 Supersede very nice :)
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17:40 Hyppolit # 1209 :  Enable MooseX::Declare Method Modifiers in OutLine (new enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1209#comment:7 ]
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18:00 Hyppolit # 1213 :  Make sure the docs in Padre::Plugin match the example in Padre::Plugin::My (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1213 ]
18:01 Hyppolit # 1213 :  Make sure the docs in Padre::Plugin match the example in Padre::Plugin::My (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1213#comment:1 ]
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18:19 Hyppolit # 1214 :  highlight variables interpolated into strings (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1214 ]
18:31 Hyppolit # 1215 :  Cannot change the syntax highlighter of Perl 6 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1215 ]
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18:44 bowtie szabgab, ubuntu natty, yuo just need to rebuild Wx with cpan, applies to i386 and amd64, hit this on 28th,  as for outline test, and mooseish presence will do, I will dump some Q's for you in ticket if that is ok
18:44 Hyppolit # 1211 :  Hot keys for Debug do not work (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1211#comment:1 ]
18:45 szabgab bowtie: then please update the wiki page on how to fix the installation on  Ubuntu 11.04
18:45 szabgab if you have question on how to write tests, you can ask them here
18:46 szabgab or on the mailing list
18:46 szabgab as I won't have much time for IRC any time soon
18:47 Sewi1 szabgab: bowtie and I were talking about #1209 some days ago. The question is: Should additions for Moose (and other modules) go into core or into a plugin?
18:47 Hyppolit # 1209 :  Enable MooseX::Declare Method Modifiers in OutLine (new enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1209#comment:7 ]
18:48 Hyppolit # 1212 :  Replace by expression in selected region (closed enhancement) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1212#comment:1 ]
18:48 Sewi1 I think a plugin would be better but I think you should decide it
18:49 szabgab Sewi1: I don't see why parsing of Moose and others would be better in a plugin, though I can understand the need to extend the capability for other frameworks that create keywords
18:49 szabgab we are not loading Moose
18:50 szabgab my other issue is that I moved the code collecting outline info out from Padre so that others can also use it
18:50 Sewi1 Each additional keyword makes the regex slower and adding one means we have to add others like Catalyst, too...
18:50 szabgab e.g. in vim or someone (me?) trying to generate outline for CPAN modules for a web site
18:51 szabgab so it should not be tied to Padre at all
18:51 szabgab it could be a plugin the the EditorTools thing
18:51 szabgab but it could also start out as a conditional thing
18:52 szabgab either depend on the apparence of use Moose in the code
18:52 szabgab and/or a flag supplied by the user of the module
18:53 szabgab so only those pay the slowness price who actually want to get such data
18:53 szabgab but Sewi1 you mentioned a regex
18:53 Sewi1 is now known as Sewi
18:53 Sewi sorry
18:53 szabgab we use regex in the function list window
18:54 szabgab and I am mostly talking about the outline window
18:54 Sewi We're talking about outline, sure.
18:54 szabgab then there is no regex afaik
18:55 szabgab there is PPI
18:56 Sewi But the patch is extending a regex in line 129 (new) and 106-113
18:58 szabgab let me check
18:59 szabgab oh I see
19:02 szabgab I am not sure it will have a visible speed issue as it is working on very short strings and it is probably a lot faster than the whol PPI processing before that
19:02 szabgab OTOH it will grow further
19:02 szabgab and is probably incorrect as well
19:03 szabgab casue other modules also provide similar keywords, not only Moose
19:04 szabgab so you are right we need some way to extend this regex
19:04 szabgab or maybe extend the whole idea of parsing
19:05 szabgab and it should be somehow optional
19:05 Sewi The idea of plugins for your new EditorTools module sounds good.
19:06 szabgab I am not sure if it is not overengineering the issue
19:06 Sewi maybe
19:06 szabgab why not start with simple parameters
19:07 szabgab btw I have no idea why do we have that regex in the first place
19:07 szabgab func|method ?
19:07 szabgab we certainly don't have a test case for those
19:08 szabgab which module uses those words?
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19:14 szabgab Sewi: in any case I would like to see more tests added to that module before, during and after its changes :)
19:17 bowtie szabgab, is the ppi outline used for all syntax checkers, to provide padre outline
19:17 szabgab bowtie: syntax checking is done by perl itself not by ppi
19:17 El_Che hey szabgab
19:17 szabgab outline is done by ppi - the Editortools::Outline module
19:17 El_Che how was the trip?
19:18 szabgab bowtie: I am not sure I understaood your question
19:18 szabgab El_Che: hi
19:18 szabgab the trip was great
19:18 szabgab I think even the kids enjoyed :)
19:18 El_Che heeh
19:18 szabgab especially Disneyland
19:19 szabgab and the Universal Studios which is just a smaller  park with a few rides
19:19 szabgab but still too much for a day
19:19 El_Che I hope it's better than the european version (which sucks for adults)
19:19 bowtie szabgab, if that is the case, you are testing regex in ed-tools-outline (eto) and in function.pm and main.pm at least 2 regexs are redundent
19:19 szabgab Disney?
19:19 El_Che yes
19:20 szabgab well, it is nice but we ad to wait everywhere betwee 30-60 minutes
19:20 szabgab maybe if we did not go during spring vacation time :)
19:21 szabgab bowtie: where is it in main.pm ?
19:21 szabgab Functions.pm and Outline are two separate things
19:22 szabgab one could get the list of things to grep for from the other
19:22 szabgab let me see
19:24 szabgab bowtie: so I guess we might be able to reuse the list of those words for the regex but for now I'd recommend you to only focus on the Outline code and leave the FunctionList.pm as it is
19:26 bowtie szabgab, there is also 3 regexs in main.pm 1 is redundant have not tested without other 2 yet
19:27 bowtie szabgab, can I have some suggestion for other Mooseish Mods to include, to give some scope..
19:28 szabgab bowtie: I am not sure what are you asking now?
19:28 szabgab Mouse ?
19:28 szabgab Any::Moose ?
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19:29 szabgab oh, I think Padre just crashed on me :(
19:29 bowtie szabgab, at present all i test for in eto no package name, class or role, then back write package.
19:30 szabgab Can't call method "refresh" on an undefined value at /home/gabor/work/padre/Padre​/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Find.pm line 112.
19:30 szabgab Ctrl-F crashes Padre
19:30 szabgab not good :)
19:31 szabgab bowtie: can you say it again please?
19:31 bowtie bowtie: so I guess we might be able to reuse the list of those words for the regex but for now I'd recommend you to only focus on the Outline code and leave the FunctionList.pm as it is
19:31 bowtie szabgab, there is also 3 regexs in main.pm 1 is redundant have not tested without other 2 yet
19:31 bowtie szabgab, can I have some suggestion for other Mooseish Mods to include, to give some scope..
19:32 bowtie szabgab, at present all i test for in eto no package name, class or role, then back write package.
19:32 szabgab bowtie: pls don't copy the sentence again but rephrase it as I don't understand you
19:32 szabgab "in eto no package name" ?
19:33 bowtie szabgab, Editortools::Outline module => ed-tools-outline (eto)
19:34 szabgab oh
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19:34 szabgab still, I am not sure what do you mean by the sentence
19:35 bowtie szabgab, you only want the extend regex if moosih pesent
19:35 szabgab yes, that could be one option
19:36 szabgab or if the caller supplied an option 'moose => 1'
19:36 szabgab start with either of those
19:36 szabgab no need for both
19:38 bowtie szabgab, I can see where you are going,  I will use moose true
19:39 Hyppolit # 1216 :  Ctrl-F crashes Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1216 ]
19:39 szabgab bowtie: oh, I am going to sleep soon :)
19:40 bowtie szabgab, sweet dreams
20:06 Hyppolit # 1217 :  save session automatically (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1217 ]
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