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Hyppolit |
svn: r14288 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14288 |
| 01:59 |
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Hyppolit |
Removing feedback.fbp now we have WhereFrom.fbp |
| 01:59 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/fbp/ |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14289 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14289 |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
Fixed some bugs in Find and Find in Files introduced with the switch to stricter accessors in generated wxFormBuilder dialogs |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/fbp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14290 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14290 |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
Added the wxFormBuilder skeleton for the Bookmarks dialog |
| 02:07 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/fbp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ |
| 02:08 |
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szabgab |
Alias: ping |
| 02:08 |
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Alias |
hi |
| 02:08 |
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szabgab |
have you tried to search ctrl-f with Padre recently? |
| 02:08 |
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Alias |
have you? |
| 02:09 |
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szabgab |
sure and it crashes |
| 02:09 |
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* Alias |
notes the svn: r14289 commit above |
| 02:09 |
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szabgab |
oh good |
| 02:09 |
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szabgab |
let me check it |
| 02:09 |
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Alias |
Tried to fix it last night during Sydney.pm but had some troubles with Padre on my laptop |
| 02:10 |
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Alias |
I'm about half way to getting rid of Padre::Wx::Dialog once and for all |
| 02:10 |
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Alias |
No more fixed position, no more single table layout limitation, etc |
| 02:10 |
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szabgab |
I have not managed to install formbuilder on either of my machines yet |
| 02:11 |
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Alias |
not managed as in time, or as in it doesn't work? |
| 02:11 |
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szabgab |
so I a bit worried that you'll be the only one who can edit dialogs |
| 02:11 |
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Alias |
I assumed everyone could use it |
| 02:11 |
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szabgab |
for now just time |
| 02:11 |
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Alias |
If it has problems on some platforms, let me know |
| 02:11 |
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szabgab |
you have eliminated most of the hot-keys from the dialogs I think |
| 02:11 |
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Alias |
I wasn't aware any of the dialogs had hot keys |
| 02:12 |
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szabgab |
ok, ctrl-f does not crash any more, thanks |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
What needs to happen to make hot keys work |
| 02:12 |
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szabgab |
usuall you preceed the hot character with an & |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
I'll make sure the wxFormBuilder integration supports them properly, then add them to the dialogs |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
Preceed it where? |
| 02:12 |
|
Alias |
In the label? |
| 02:12 |
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szabgab |
yes |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
Should be trivial to add them back then |
| 02:13 |
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Alias |
Just do it in the designer and regenerate the FBP class |
| 02:13 |
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szabgab |
and I think on windows you don't see the hotkeys until you press Alt |
| 02:13 |
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szabgab |
or maybe was that on Linux? |
| 02:14 |
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szabgab |
oh and btw I think the search keeps forgetting the settings |
| 02:14 |
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Alias |
That's not necesarily my fault :) |
| 02:14 |
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Alias |
Someone broke some of the history comboboxes a while ago |
| 02:14 |
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szabgab |
I don't know |
| 02:15 |
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Alias |
The dialogs are generating with all the correct code to use the history-aware fields again |
| 02:15 |
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szabgab |
e.g in ctrl-f I click on "case sensitive" - it works that way |
| 02:15 |
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szabgab |
if I close the dialog and press F3 it already has not "case sensitive"ness |
| 02:15 |
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Alias |
Actually, I see what you mean |
| 02:16 |
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szabgab |
when I press ctrl-f again the check is missing |
| 02:16 |
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Alias |
There's a few small things to polish before release |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
I promise to test properly :) |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
I use Find and Find in Files constantly, so it shouldn't get overlooked |
| 02:17 |
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szabgab |
btw have you read the discussion about the Outline thing a Moose we had a few hours ago? |
| 02:17 |
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Alias |
hrm |
| 02:17 |
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Alias |
I think I'm not loading settings at all |
| 02:17 |
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szabgab |
I wonder why do we search for "function" |
| 02:18 |
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Alias |
I missed it |
| 02:18 |
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Alias |
Haven't had my chat client on overnight the last few days |
| 02:18 |
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szabgab |
yeah I read you had other time consuming priorities |
| 02:19 |
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Alias |
That's just being forgetful |
| 02:19 |
|
Alias |
Shutting down stuff at work to double check it's actually safe to go home |
| 02:19 |
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szabgab |
if you look at the Outline.pm in EditorTools it is checking if there is some declaration using "func|method" |
| 02:19 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 02:19 |
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Alias |
Same thing happens in FunctionList |
| 02:19 |
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Alias |
I'm not a fan |
| 02:19 |
|
Alias |
It's caused bugs |
| 02:20 |
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szabgab |
so I wonder which accessorgenerator or OOP imitator uses those keywords? |
| 02:20 |
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Alias |
func is Method::Signatures |
| 02:20 |
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Alias |
So is method |
| 02:20 |
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szabgab |
I'll add a comment about those to the code |
| 02:20 |
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Alias |
I'd rather pre-search the file for the use of Method::Signatures first |
| 02:20 |
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Alias |
Or pre-search for the use of Moose or something |
| 02:21 |
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szabgab |
probably all of the above |
| 02:21 |
|
Alias |
sure |
| 02:21 |
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szabgab |
and then add extra processing when either of those are present |
| 02:21 |
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Alias |
I don't like the idea of searching for function declarations that aren't actually enabled |
| 02:22 |
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Alias |
I'm a teensy bit nervous about making it slower though |
| 02:22 |
|
Alias |
Especially since you added the %f thing which searches the document every single keystroke |
| 02:22 |
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szabgab |
I'll try to do something in the Outline code and add a comment to the FunctionList code |
| 02:22 |
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szabgab |
as it should probably use the same mechanism and the same extensions for searching |
| 02:22 |
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Alias |
Or something close to it |
| 02:23 |
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Alias |
I'm wary of going to too much effort to make them use the same code |
| 02:23 |
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szabgab |
I guess there is some place for reuse and abstraction |
| 02:23 |
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Alias |
We could easily end up adding 10 times more code to enable reuse and abstraction than we actually save |
| 02:23 |
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szabgab |
I thought to use the same keyword list maybe |
| 02:23 |
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szabgab |
maybe |
| 02:23 |
|
Alias |
Maybe the same pre-scan rules and keyword list generation |
| 02:23 |
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szabgab |
so let me just add a comment to think about it |
| 02:24 |
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Alias |
The Moose -> foo, Method::Signatures -> func/method etc |
| 02:24 |
|
Alias |
Remember some of this code runs in the background |
| 02:24 |
|
Alias |
So there's complexities around making sure we don't load excessive modules in background tasks |
| 02:24 |
|
Alias |
Which is why there's currently three copies of the scan |
| 02:25 |
|
Alias |
There's also differences between "Find the list of names", "Find the current name I'm in" and "Find the next physical position of name foo" |
| 02:25 |
|
Alias |
In principle there's probably some opportunities for reuse |
| 02:25 |
|
Alias |
But really, it's reuse between two and only two functions |
| 02:26 |
|
Alias |
It's not like there's 10 different searching things |
| 02:26 |
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Alias |
I'm always dubious about code reuse for n = 2 |
| 02:27 |
|
Alias |
I've seen too many cases of turning X lines of simple readable code into X + 1 lines of harder to read code in the quest to make X smaller |
| 02:33 |
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szabgab |
The release of Strawberry seem to have stalled totally |
| 02:33 |
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szabgab |
and with that the stand alone Padre releases |
| 02:34 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r14291 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14291 |
| 02:34 |
|
Hyppolit |
We now save search options again |
| 02:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 02:34 |
|
Alias |
sigh, yeah |
| 02:35 |
|
Alias |
Not totally |
| 02:35 |
|
Alias |
Just got very slow, which has broken the "release tempo" I established |
| 02:35 |
|
Alias |
The reliable release schedule was one of the more important features of Strawberry |
| 02:35 |
|
Alias |
Padre is really getting close to something 1.0 now though |
| 02:36 |
|
Alias |
And generating new gui apps is getting closer and closer to being easy |
| 02:36 |
|
Alias |
So I think Strawberry Professional is nearing feasibility |
| 02:36 |
|
Alias |
OK, search checkboxes now all save again |
| 02:36 |
|
Alias |
Dunno when it broke, but it wasn't recently |
| 02:36 |
|
Alias |
Must have broke a while back |
| 02:37 |
|
Alias |
Having a reliable FormBuilder makes fixing this stuff SOOOOO much easier |
| 02:37 |
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szabgab |
yeah, maybe |
| 02:37 |
|
Alias |
Like a breath of fresh air |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
Changing 1000 lines of code a day is actually pretty easy |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
I just knocked up the new Bookmarks replacement in about half an hour |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
Just the structure of course |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
Not the working code |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
Now I need to port the old functionality to the new dialog |
| 02:39 |
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Alias |
That's taking most of the time |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
And then I hit some Wx feature that Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder or FBP or FBP::Perl doesn't support, and it's a 5 hour trip into codegen land again |
| 02:39 |
|
Alias |
But the number of missing features and codegen bugs is starting to tail off now |
| 02:40 |
|
Alias |
Even esoteric things like Tooltips and font bold/italic/size all work |
| 02:41 |
|
Alias |
Now I just need to work out how to release a module from the Padre repo |
| 02:41 |
|
Alias |
So I can release Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder |
| 02:42 |
|
Alias |
I've never had to release anything before |
| 02:42 |
|
Alias |
And I don't have my usual release automation :( |
| 02:42 |
|
Alias |
The switch to distzilla doesn't help much |
| 02:42 |
|
Alias |
200 dependencies just to run the test suite |
| 02:43 |
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szabgab |
yeah, when I first encountered dzil it tripped me too |
| 02:43 |
|
Alias |
Well, it barely installs on windows |
| 02:43 |
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szabgab |
so did Module::Install btw :) |
| 02:43 |
|
Alias |
Module::Install at least installs |
| 02:43 |
|
Alias |
distzilla is a freaking adventure in not working modules |
| 02:43 |
|
Alias |
Especially because someone added a plugin pack of crazy extras |
| 02:44 |
|
Alias |
[@Basic] [AutoPrereqs] [CheckChangeLog] [CompileTests] [EOLTests] [PodWeaver] [PkgVersion] [MetaResources] homepage = http://padre.perlide.org repository = http://svn.perlide.org/padre/t[…]ndle-PadrePlugin/ [MetaConfig] [MetaJSON] [NextRelease] format = %-6v %{yyyy.MM.dd}d [PodSyntaxTests] |
| 02:44 |
|
Alias |
All that crap |
| 02:44 |
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szabgab |
but I think it is only needed for the release and not the installation, right? |
| 02:44 |
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szabgab |
so at least we don't hit the end-users |
| 02:44 |
|
Alias |
It's needed if you want to develop |
| 02:44 |
|
Alias |
Oh, it doesn't hit end users |
| 02:44 |
|
Alias |
But it's a MASSIVE overhead to hacking on Padre |
| 02:45 |
|
Alias |
I simply can't work on plugins any more |
| 02:45 |
|
Alias |
Because I can't build any of the damned things any more |
| 02:45 |
|
Alias |
It's mostly azawawi's fault |
| 02:45 |
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szabgab |
I think azawawi was the one who got carried away a bit with the dzillification |
| 02:46 |
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szabgab |
we should buy a windows machibe for rjbs |
| 02:46 |
|
Alias |
It's not his fault |
| 02:46 |
|
Alias |
He just built the core |
| 02:46 |
|
Alias |
Dist::Zilla itself works on Windows I believe |
| 02:47 |
|
Alias |
The problem is that Dist::Zilla is designed in such a way that if you use it like a fanboy, nobody else can maintain your code |
| 02:47 |
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szabgab |
Method::Signatures failed to install on my Strawberry |
| 02:47 |
|
Alias |
All these plugins use shittons of dependencies |
| 02:48 |
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szabgab |
Devel::BeginLift ? what names are ther :) |
| 02:48 |
|
Alias |
Also, dist::zilla usage tends to make your code invalid in lib |
| 02:48 |
|
Alias |
Since it does template manipulation magic just to get blib |
| 02:49 |
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szabgab |
I hate the fact that I don't have $VERSION in my dev code |
| 02:49 |
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szabgab |
B::Hooks::OP::Check::EnetersubForCV ? |
| 02:49 |
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Alias |
Wow Method::Signatures is deep and evil :) |
| 02:50 |
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szabgab |
these are the dependencies of Module::Sigantures |
| 02:50 |
|
Alias |
yeah |
| 02:50 |
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szabgab |
and I don't even need it for my test anyway, I am just installing it for the fun :) |
| 02:51 |
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Alias |
Yup, that's kind of the point :) |
| 02:51 |
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szabgab |
so this last module failed to insatll |
| 02:51 |
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Alias |
I think I'm going to put in a check to the plugin manager |
| 02:51 |
|
Alias |
No $VERSION == incompatible |
| 02:52 |
|
Alias |
That ought to bring azawawi into line pretty quick :) |
| 02:52 |
|
Alias |
It's a reasonable check |
| 02:52 |
|
Alias |
An unversioned module is pretty suspicious |
| 02:52 |
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szabgab |
I don't know where is azawawi at all |
| 02:52 |
|
szabgab |
in the last month I have not seen himn in the channel |
| 02:52 |
|
Alias |
Probably just busy |
| 02:53 |
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szabgab |
though I was on vacation as well for 3 weeks |
| 02:55 |
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szabgab |
http://paste.perldancer.org/1VBWQ0wIYMFtb |
| 02:58 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r14292 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14292 |
| 02:58 |
|
Hyppolit |
- PluginManager now checks for a defined ->VERSION in plugins to help |
| 02:58 |
|
Hyppolit |
make sure they are real modules and don't have mismatching package |
| 02:58 |
|
Hyppolit |
statements or similar weird problems (ADAMK) |
| 02:58 |
|
Alias |
There we go |
| 02:58 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ |
| 02:58 |
|
Alias |
It's a pretty legitimate check in it's own right |
| 02:59 |
|
Alias |
I could also do a Class::Inspector->loaded probe, but it's probably overkill |
| 02:59 |
|
Alias |
the VERSION check is sufficient |
| 02:59 |
|
Alias |
It makes all the bad modules in perl dev -a fail much faster too, which keeps the load time for -a down |
| 03:00 |
|
Alias |
hrm |
| 03:00 |
|
Alias |
I probably should sort modules that at least load and let us get a name ahead of those that don't |
| 03:00 |
|
Alias |
oh well, later |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
or a hide/show broken modules thing maybe |
| 03:01 |
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Alias |
Also need a way to hide that Testsuite Plugin when we aren't in the test suite |
| 03:01 |
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Alias |
It looks unprofessional |
| 03:02 |
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Alias |
Righto |
| 03:02 |
|
Alias |
Off to the shops, and that's about all the cheating on work time I can get away with today/thisweek |
| 03:02 |
|
Alias |
Got a shitton of stuff done this last few days, which is good |
| 03:03 |
|
Alias |
And not too many feature regressions :) |
| 03:03 |
|
Alias |
Notwithstanding the Perl 6 lexer bug |
| 03:03 |
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Alias |
We should fix that before release too |
| 03:09 |
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szabgab |
I am fighting dzil and Moose now |
| 03:09 |
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szabgab |
tried to run the EditorTools tests and dzill complained about some moose thing broken |
| 03:09 |
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szabgab |
now upgrading the whole tree |
| 03:10 |
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szabgab |
and this notebook is very underpowered |
| 03:10 |
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szabgab |
what a waste of time |
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Alias |
I'm thinking that we absolutely need to remove dzil from any dependencies of Padre |
| 06:09 |
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Alias |
Separate from whatever we do for plugins |
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szabgab |
Alias: even from the dependencies that are not maintained by us? |
| 06:34 |
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szabgab |
why? |
| 06:37 |
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Alias |
There's nothing we can do about dependencies not maintained by us |
| 06:37 |
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Alias |
So lets say we are making a change to Padre |
| 06:37 |
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Alias |
And we need to fix one of the dependencies of Padre to do it, one that we maintain |
| 06:37 |
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Alias |
And now to do that, you need to install 200 freaking modules |
| 06:37 |
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Alias |
Which don't work on Windows |
| 06:38 |
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Alias |
And that's really annoying |
| 06:39 |
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Alias |
dzil just makes casual maintenance harder in general |
| 06:39 |
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Alias |
Easier for the primary maintainer at the expense of casual maintainers |
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szabgab |
I am ok with moving all our modues to M::I |
| 06:48 |
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szabgab |
I just would like to make sure azawawi and the other core devs are also aware of the reason |
| 06:48 |
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szabgab |
btw he is also on windows so at one point dzil worked well on windows |
| 07:00 |
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Alias |
All our modules USED to be M:I |
| 07:00 |
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Alias |
And then he converted |
| 07:00 |
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Alias |
For the plugins I don't mind so much, since he does most of the plugin releasing |
| 07:00 |
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Alias |
Especially HIS plugins, like Perl 6 etc |
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El_Che |
Alias: how was the date? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14293 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14293 |
| 08:11 |
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Hyppolit |
PPIx::EditorTools - replace distzilla by Module::Install to make it easier for the causal contributor to work on the module |
| 08:11 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/ |
| 08:13 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14294 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14294 |
| 08:13 |
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Hyppolit |
svn:ignore further generated files |
| 08:13 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ |
| 08:21 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14295 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14295 |
| 08:21 |
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Hyppolit |
move code examples used for testing to external files to make it easier to see them in an editor |
| 08:21 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/outline/ |
| 08:22 |
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Alias |
El_Che: Not bad... good time, talked for about 6 hours |
| 08:22 |
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Alias |
El_Che: No fireworks as such... but then I'm crap at reading people |
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* Alias |
heads home |
| 08:23 |
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Alias |
If something happens it will be more of a slow burn than an explosion |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14296 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14296 |
| 08:32 |
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Hyppolit |
add test example using Method::Signatures |
| 08:32 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/outline/ |
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El_Che |
she doesn't hate you, that's something |
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El_Che |
6 hours is pretty impressive |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14297 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14297 |
| 08:47 |
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Hyppolit |
perltidy PPIx::EditorTools |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/t/ |
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guidance please, just downloaded a clean padre svn 14292, to poke around with preferences.fbp, perl Makefile.PL ok, make ok, perl dev loads padre, tools preferences, and bing, dies no messages, enabled padre.pm local $SIG{__DIE__} = sub { print @_; die $_[0] };, still no messages, give us a kick please... |
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nb my normal working trunk, works ok, same machine. |
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wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by bowtie |
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wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by bowtie |
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szabgab, this works for mavrick http://ubuntu-tweak.com/source[…]mbuilder-release/ you need v3.1.70, ubuntu debs at 3.1.5x don't work with padre fbp |
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szabgab, opps 3.0.57 |
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bowtie: I think we had a description on how to install formbuilder somewhere on the wiki |
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maybe it is worth updating it if it is needed |
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szabgab, ubuntu natty has 3.0.57 deb, which won't open padre fbp |
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szabgab, any ideas on my clean padre build, failure? |
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svn: r14298 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14298 |
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update to version 0.14 for the release |
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trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/ trunk/PPIx-EditorTools/lib/PPIx/EditorTools/ |
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more info repeated on another machine same result, blows up on tools->prefs, but that’s nothing, searching, wow , had to be killed remoteley. so rolled back to 14225 worked ok, then forward to trunk 14298, works ok, I am either a plonker, or current trunk broken, propped up by previous revision ?? ;( |
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Alias: szabgab: re wxFormBuilder => Generate Padre Dialog, sucks, every time I click, padre goes up in smoke, wiki on FormBuilder sucks, realy sucks, I have wasted 6 hours today. |
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It would be realy nice if you could provide wiki with comments that make sense rather than a link to a flam, as far as i can see, this belongs to the pair of you. |
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Alias you are releasing code in dribs and drabs with out testing first!! |
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szabgab, kthakore flam should be removed, this wiki page really sucks. |
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surley if you WRITE it, you TEST it, you DOCUMENT it, in the first instance its the authors responsibility to disseminate. |
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either that or I need to go fishing for a bable-fish with esp. |
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