Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-05-09

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Time Nick Message
00:00 Dan a couple times
00:01 bowtie Dan, from cpan ?
00:01 Dan Yes, cpan. I had some errors the first time.
00:02 blisshome Hello Dan, bowtie. On Ubuntu 11.04 I had to completely uninstall Wx and Wx:ProcessStream and then reinstall via CPAN
00:02 Dan MDOOTSON/Wx-0.99.tar.gz   /usr/bin/make install  -- OK
00:03 bowtie Dan,  have you read http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu
00:03 bowtie blisshome, do you like unity?
00:05 blisshome I'm OK with it. I haven't used linux/Ubuntu for a while so I have fresh eyes. I was disappointed not to be able to use some of the compiz whizbang that I'd seen on a friends installation of 10.10 but no big deal
00:05 Dan I am unsure on the uninstall, I didn't see that anywhere.
00:05 blisshome I did the uninstall via Synaptic.
00:06 Dan If I can find it in SPM, That is pretty quick and easy.
00:08 blisshome I had to do a **complete** uninstall, the CPAN for the reinstall.
00:08 blisshome the = then
00:09 blisshome I've also loaded Padre on my Windows 7 machine and am having trouble with the initial size of the script panel. It starts out 200 x 100 pixels in size. If I resize the main window the script panel matches the main window, but what a pain to have to do that each time.
00:10 Dan What is meant by 'complete" uninstall?
00:10 bowtie blisshome, you can use compiz, see ubuntu sites for how in classic mode
00:12 Dan Dos that mean "complete" in SPM speak?
00:12 blisshome I did fool around a bit with it (exporting the profile, editing, reimporting), but I couldn't get it to work. I think because I'm running Ubuntu as a guest OS inside Virtual Box and the guest additions don't support the workarounds.
00:14 blisshome SPM offered uninstall and "complete" uninstall. I had to use the latter to get the CPAN to work correctly. I'm guessing it wipes out the meta data in the database, but I'm a bit of a newbie in all this.
00:14 bowtie Dan, in synaptic, uninstall libwx* 4 5 files, then reinstall, followed by reinstall of Wx from cpan
00:15 bowtie blisshome, read about in ubuntu sites,
00:15 blisshome Yes, bowtie, that's the item I had to uninstall--libwx. It automatically uninstalled wxProcessStream with it.
00:16 blisshome I'll check out the ubuntu sites re compwiz.
00:16 bowtie blisshome, yes, the reinstall, are you working know?
00:17 bowtie opps now
00:18 blisshome bowtie: not sure what your question is
00:19 Dan I hav 5 libwx* 2.8 packages in SPM. Uninstal them all?
00:19 bowtie blisshome, your padre, now working in ubuntu?
00:19 blisshome Yes. it works fine after reinstalling the wx and wxProcessStream then Padre via CPAN.
00:20 bowtie blisshome, you have to remove unity to get compiz working, but you need to check before hand
00:20 blisshome Yes, I wasn
00:21 Dan OK. I 'll go remove them.
00:21 blisshome Oops. Yes, I wasn't ready to remove Unity yet, but I might try that.
00:21 bowtie blisshome, your lucky, I can't even run cube, as my gpu is naff
00:21 bowtie Dan, cool
00:24 blisshome bowtie--I can't run Cube because of the Unity LargeWall conflict. I tried the workaround I found online but it didn't change anything--still got the LargeWall or whatever it's called.
00:26 bowtie blisshome, I have not tried, my gpu is naff on this laptop which cocks my legs, failed in 10.10, works ok in debian workstation though
00:26 Dan OK. Nothing wx left in SPM.
00:26 bowtie blisshome, have you looked at mint?
00:27 bowtie Dan,  good now update, then reinstall
00:27 Dan Now just cpan Wx?
00:28 Dan Will that get wxprocessstream?
00:28 blisshome Dan--I think I had to CPAN wxProcessStream as well but I can't remember now.
00:28 bowtie Dan, ignore cpan Wx, upgrade debs , sudo apt-get update, then reinstall libwx* in synaptic
00:30 bowtie blisshome, you can force cpan to reinstall, see wiki page
00:31 bowtie blisshome, have you looked at mint, yet?
00:31 blisshome I have to say, I've forgotten already some of the details, especially after fussing around with Padre on Windows 7. What a nightmare that was.
00:32 blisshome I don't know mint. I'll check it out. Got to run now.
00:32 bowtie blisshome, cool
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00:37 bowtie Dan, progress
00:39 Dan libwx* is  find ing too many packs. I was just trying to figure out which ones I should get.
00:40 bowtie Dan, install all 4 or 5 of them
00:41 bowtie Dan, just the one starting libwx
00:41 Dan Note, selecting 'libwx11-0' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwx11-0-dbg' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwx11-dev' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxbase2.6-dbg' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxgtk2.6-dbg' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxbase2.6-dev' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxgtk2.6-dev' for regex 'libwx*'
00:41 bowtie opps one's
00:42 Dan Note, selecting 'libwx-perl-datawalker-perl' for regex 'libwx*'
00:43 Dan Note, selecting 'libwxsmithlib-dev' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxsmithlib0-dev' for regex 'libwx*' Note, selecting 'libwxsvg-dev' for regex 'libwx*'
00:44 bowtie Dan, libwxadditions28 libwxbase2.8-0 libwxgtk2.8-0 libwxbase2.8-dev libwxgtk2.8-dev
00:45 bowtie Dan, you need the dev's for cpan build of Wx
00:45 Dan The 11-0 stuff looks wrong.  The datawalker and smithlib stuff?
00:47 bowtie Dan, have you enabled the sources, disabled in the upgrade to natty
00:47 Dan There is also a mix of 2.4, 2.6, and 2.8.  Just 2.8?
00:48 bowtie Dan,  yes just 2.8
00:48 Dan I think my sources.list should be current.
00:49 bowtie Dan, installed the 5 files I listed in synaptic
00:53 bowtie Dan,  progress
00:53 Hyppolit svn: r14322 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14322
00:53 Hyppolit Update Turkish translation.
00:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
00:54 Dan E: Unable to locate package libwxadditions28
00:54 Dan The rest are done.
00:56 bowtie Dan, its late for me, you need to check ubuntu sites t find 2.8, after you have installed you can check with dpkg -l |grep -i libwx |awk '{ print $2 }' then use cpan as per padre wiki page
00:56 Dan No 2.8 either.
00:58 bowtie Dan, sorry, 2 in mornning and time for bed, talk tommorow, night
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00:58 Dan Thanks bowtie. Goodnight.
01:00 Hyppolit svn: r14323 | burak++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14323
01:00 Hyppolit Update Turkish translation.
01:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/share/locale/
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01:04 user_8056 can any one help me put this small script togeather. if you will take a look at this page i dont get how to add in what i need but i think all the info is there http://search.cpan.org/~aca​lpini/Win32-API-0.41/API.pm and this page http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/A​CALPINI/Win32-API-0.20/API.html I also think i need to use this call SendAction(). with all that i
01:20 Dan I can't get Padre to run on Ubuntu 11.04
01:22 Dan Here is one of the errors from the terminal: (padre:21436): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
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02:18 Dan And I get an error box with a lot of info: Can't locate Probe/Perl.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/dan/.local/share/.padre/plugins /home/dan/perl5
02:28 szabgab Dan try to manually install Probe::Perl
02:28 szabgab apparently for some reason it was not pulled in as a dependency
02:34 Dan OK. I got it installed.
02:38 Dan That fixed the error box. I still get errors in terminal: (padre:29496): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
02:38 szabgab I take Padre does not get launched, right?
02:40 Dan Yes, it does. I don't get the errors until I run a script.
02:41 Dan I can start it again to make sure.
02:42 szabgab While those are annoying, if they don't actually stop padre from doing what it should then I would not worry about them too much, at least not now :)
02:42 szabgab can you remind me your operating sytem pls?
02:45 Dan Ubuntu 11.04
02:45 szabgab I see
02:45 szabgab I still have not upgraded
02:45 szabgab I have 10.10
02:45 szabgab but based on what I see I am not sure I want to upgrade soon :)
02:46 szabgab it seems to be some wxWidgets compilation issue
02:47 szabgab but I have no idea what and how to get rid of those
02:47 Dan I was running beta for a few weeks before release. I thinkyou are correct. There aren't a many improvements worth upgrading for.
02:47 szabgab which version of perl does it have?
02:48 Dan I have tried re-installing wxWidgets twice now.
02:48 Dan 5.10
02:48 szabgab using cpan?
02:48 szabgab 10.10 had   5.10.1
02:48 Dan Yes. the second installation was all cpan.
02:49 szabgab and have you made sure it actually downloaded the source of wxWidgets ?
02:50 szabgab it defaults to use what it finds
02:50 Dan I'm not sure how to verify.
02:50 szabgab netither am I  :-(
02:52 Dan How could I uninstall?
02:52 Dan Then I could watch for the download of the tar.
02:52 szabgab when using cpan, do you install perl modules in your home directory or in the system ?
02:53 Dan home
02:53 szabgab in the latter case I have no idea how to separate them
02:53 szabgab then you can check if the so files are there
02:53 Dan Force install?
02:53 szabgab yes, and pay attention to the questions
02:54 szabgab or maybe even    with   look, and do a manual instal
02:54 szabgab cpan> look Alien::WxWidgets
02:54 szabgab and then perl Makefile.PL
03:02 Dan Alien-wxWidgets-0.52-0yUhq4 ?
03:03 Dan I can do the force pretty quick.
03:03 szabgab yeah, I guess that's the temp directory
03:05 Dan CPAN.pm: Going to build M/MD/MDOOTSON/Alien-wxWidgets-0.52.tar.gz
03:06 Dan Building Alien-wxWidgets   MDOOTSON/Alien-wxWidgets-0.52.tar.gz   ./Build install  -- OK
03:07 szabgab did it ask you if yo download the source?
03:07 Dan No.
03:07 szabgab hmm
03:07 szabgab not good
03:07 szabgab pls check the Makefile.PL to see how to force it to ask
03:11 Dan I have two of the temp? directories.
03:12 szabgab that's not a big deal, the cpan client will clean them up though there are cases when I manually delete them
03:12 szabgab but only after exiting from CPAN
03:12 szabgab you know you are in a subshell from cpan
03:13 Dan I exited the cpan shell to look at these files.
03:14 Dan I can't cd into either one.
03:19 Dan I did an upgrade and it fetched packages.
03:20 szabgab cpan packages or from sourceforge?
03:21 Dan Fetching with LWP: http://cpan.yahoo.com/modules/03modlist.data.gz
03:21 szabgab that's "just" CPAN
03:21 szabgab we need to make sure it will fetch wxwidgets from sourceforge
03:22 Dan OH OK.
03:26 Dan Delete the wxwidget directories from the build directory and try upgrade again?
03:26 szabgab that might help,  I am not sure
03:31 Dan Nope. I tried a force install and it fetched from cpan again.
03:35 cfedde_ is now known as cfedde
03:36 Dan Here is the file info 673085 2010-03-30 MBARBON/Alien-wxWidgets-0.51.tar.gz
03:37 szabgab you need to install that and during its installation it *should* ask youif you want to download the source of wxwidgets
03:47 Dan How? I tried install alien::wxwidgets and got: Alien::wxWidgets is up to date (0.52)
03:47 szabgab so that's where the    'look'might help
03:51 szabgab I can try to help with that later but now breakfast and CDS
03:52 Dan OK. Thank you and enjoy.
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05:39 Hyppolit svn: r14324 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14324
05:39 Hyppolit link to the slides of Charlie Gonzalez
05:39 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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07:12 El_Che who's this gabor guy that has been spamming us :)
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07:32 azawawi i dont know him :)
07:34 szabgab azawawi, El_Che \o/
07:34 * szabgab moving some more e-mails from his inbox to other peoples inbox
07:43 El_Che hi azawawi, szabgab
07:43 azawawi hi * :)
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08:33 azawawi interesting article to read http://rassie.org/archives/378
08:35 szabgab yeah, except that I don't agree with the solution of not using features of newer perls
08:36 azawawi yeah i think we should move forward
08:36 szabgab instead we should provide an easy way to install "the latest that still works on my system"
08:36 azawawi that said Padre should work on 5.8
08:36 szabgab :)
08:36 azawawi should=*should still*
08:37 szabgab we have this discussion once in a while
08:37 szabgab btw ave you seen the rants of Alias regarding Distzilla?
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08:37 Sewi Create an install script that checks the versions of installed Perl and dependencies - and installs the latest Padre version that runs on this system :)
08:38 szabgab he wants us to dedistillize all the Padre plugins and other modules in our svn
08:38 azawawi szabgab: any link? i have been up2date lately...
08:38 szabgab azawawi: a few day ago in irc
08:38 azawawi szabgab: been busy with preparing a new house... :)
08:38 szabgab oh nice
08:39 szabgab Sewi: that would be nice to have in the general case of CPAN
08:39 azawawi szabgab: single to engaged... :)
08:39 szabgab but for that IMHO better to have CPAN supporting it
08:39 Sewi szabgab: Would be a horror to support :)
08:39 szabgab IMHO it would be just a bug SQL query against the testsers database
08:40 szabgab bug ?
08:40 szabgab was that Freud ?
08:40 szabgab I meant big
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09:05 azawawi szabgab: ping :)
09:05 szabgab pong
09:05 azawawi szabgab: just read the rant :)
09:06 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by bowtie
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09:07 azawawi szabgab: okay first of all i have been very busy with life... getting read to get married is not as easy as i thought it would be :)
09:08 azawawi szabgab: so many things to do... less free time to do anything else
09:08 azawawi szabgab: anyway
09:09 azawawi szabgab: i start dzili-fication to improve things and unify distribution method
09:09 azawawi szabgab: i should have documented things a bit better
09:10 szabgab the problem is not with the (lacok of) documentation
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09:10 szabgab but that one needs to install another 100 modules :)
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09:10 azawawi szabgab: yeah true
09:11 azawawi szabgab: but that's on the developer's machine
09:11 szabgab and some of them are not working well on Windows
09:11 szabgab yes, and we are the developers :)
09:11 szabgab but if you have some spare time now I will need your javascript/CSS foo now
09:12 azawawi sure shoot
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09:21 bowtie szabgab, ping
09:22 szabgab pong
09:24 bowtie szabgab, can I get some feadback re tests, ie do they conform to padre standards?
09:25 bowtie szabgab, I am making hay with abstract class methods
09:27 szabgab bowtie: I'll try but I am quite busy with administrative work and another project
09:27 szabgab that has to move forward before it dries up again :)
09:28 bowtie szabgab, I will wait until you add to ticket then, before I continue
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09:29 zenog hi
09:29 szabgab bowtie: ok
09:29 szabgab hi zenog
09:31 bowtie szabgab, cool
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09:59 azawawi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubunt​u/natty/+source/perl/+bug/739693
09:59 azawawi ubuntu 11.04 does not build perlbrew-ed stuff..
10:00 azawawi ouch..
10:27 El_Che yes
10:27 El_Che been there
10:27 El_Che 5.14 would fix it
10:27 El_Che bbl
10:27 El_Che food
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11:26 azawawi El_Che: perlbrew install perl-5.12.3 -Dplibpth = / usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
11:26 azawawi El_Che: perlbrew install perl-5.12.3 -Dplibpth=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
11:26 El_Che it broke when I tried
11:27 * azawawi tries again
11:34 azawawi El_Che: perlbrew install perl-5.12.3 -Dusethreads -Dplibpth=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
11:34 azawawi El_Che: seems to work :)
11:35 azawawi El_Che: it is running the tests now
11:36 El_Che nice
11:37 azawawi http://search.cpan.org/~jess​e/perl/pod/perl5139delta.pod    # does not work...
11:37 azawawi http://search.cpan.org/~je​sse/perl/pod/perldelta.pod # also...
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12:11 szabgab some runaway thread in padre? - I have 95% CPU load by Padre and it does not even want to Quit
12:14 Sewi There is a ticket for this...
12:14 Sewi #1096
12:15 Sewi Oh, Hyppolit seems to be dead :-(
12:16 szabgab it is disoriented
12:17 szabgab azawawi: pls /op Sewi and me
12:18 Sewi thx
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12:22 szabgab we can change its name to slow loris I think
12:22 szabgab Hyppolit?
12:22 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.10
12:22 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
12:22 szabgab Hyppolit: Hyppolit is also slow loris
12:22 Hyppolit Hyppolit is now  and also slow loris
12:22 szabgab Hyppolit?
12:22 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.10
12:22 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
12:22 szabgab its read only :(
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16:30 Dan I'm getting errors when running Padre: (padre:2138): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
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16:37 bowtie Dan, Hi
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16:38 Dan Hello bowtie
16:40 bowtie Dan, is padre working in natty?
16:41 Dan Yes, it's working except for the errors in terminal.
16:43 bowtie Dan, cool, the errors are from the wx-lib-gkt2 not padre, quite frequent from gtk apps run inside a terminal
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16:45 Dan last night I was told that they were due to the widget sources never being loaed from sourceforge.
16:46 szabgab Dan: they might be gone if you recompile wxWidgets , that's from sourceforge but it is not sure
16:47 szabgab and if Padre works for you then I would leave it as it is now
16:47 Dan i noticed errors from the padre compile
16:47 bowtie Dan: I concur
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16:49 Dan This isn't going to cause more serious problems later?
16:49 szabgab who knows? twe are talking about computers ! :)
16:50 bowtie Dan: it will get better then worse as library’s are updated on your mc
16:51 Dan I am not use to ignoring errors. It is going to be tough to get used to.
16:52 szabgab Dan I know the feeling
16:52 bowtie Dan make your self an icon on the unity menu and launch from there
16:52 szabgab bowtie is invoking the magic carpet
16:52 szabgab to sweep the errors underneath
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16:54 bowtie szabgab, icon in unity are not as simple as ala-carte or docky or gnome-panel, it's fun trust me!
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16:55 moo083 hi there, I'm having trouble in Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, wondering if anyone knows about it
16:55 moo083 couldnt find anything in the padre ticket system
16:55 szabgab Natty seems to cause a lot of troubles :(
16:55 moo083 indeed
16:56 moo083 well at least i got it launching now
16:56 szabgab I am glad I have not upgraded yet
16:56 moo083 heh, too late for me
16:56 Dan Padre will not start that way. The only I can start it is from the terminal.
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16:56 bowtie Obersavation, only
16:56 bowtie perl dev -a --die
16:56 bowtie DIE: Can't locate Wx/Loader/Custom.pm in @INC
16:56 bowtie Called by /Wx/Mini.pm line 100.
16:56 bowtie POD A binary distribution my provide alternative sources and loading methods for the wxWidgets dlls. It achieves this by providing a Wx::Loader::Custom module in the distribution
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16:57 bowtie Dan padre will start, I did this with unity2d, just read ubuntu docs for how
16:59 bowtie szabgab, lines across editor related to magic carpet, me thinks
16:59 Dan It will not start from the applications dash either.
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17:00 bowtie Dan you have to tell it how and ware, as you are using a local cpan, its up to you
17:01 Dan Not a very friendly application huh?
17:02 Dan Ignore errors and roll your own launcher.
17:03 szabgab unfortunatelly the version that comes from your vendor is broken
17:03 bowtie Dan its cool, make a new app in unity for say xclock, follow ubuntu sites info, when working change to padre, don't forget bout icons
17:04 bowtie szabgab, do you want my Observation in or added to a ticket?
17:04 szabgab bowtie: observation about what?
17:05 bowtie szabgab, today 17:56
17:05 szabgab I have a memory leak
17:05 szabgab and IRC tells me it is 09:59
17:06 bowtie szabgab, you have got me all jealous, 15 mins a go
17:07 bowtie szabgab, i had thought about playing around with valgrind ;)
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17:41 moo0083 just a note, the white lines in natty when scrolling down was resolved by disabling the new overlaying scrollbars
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19:19 bowtie Re: <moo0083>  white lines in natty when scrolling, I concur, this may help => http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-t​o-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html
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20:14 szabgab bowtie: could you please add a ticket with the scrolling issue and the solution ? you can even close the ticket, just so that we have some record of it
20:16 bowtie szabgab, will do, latter. by the way how's your leak!!
20:16 szabgab bowtie:  I don't remember :)
20:17 bowtie szabgab, drip, drip, drip, ;))
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21:15 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1221 ]
21:16 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:1 ]
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23:18 Alias Hi folks
23:19 Alias If anyone is awake, what's left to go for the next release?
23:19 Alias Time to get this puppy out the door I think
23:22 Alias I guess I'll just start converting the Bookmark dialog to FBP until there's something better to do
23:23 Alias I'm really looking forward to seeing the end of Padre::Wx::Dialog
23:23 bowtie Alias, hi, does your wxformbuilder work, yet?
23:24 bowtie Alias because every time I click, i don't get a dialog just a cash.
23:25 Alias Can you explain what you are doing?
23:25 bowtie (padre:26875): Gdk-WARNING **: Native Windows wider or taller than 65535 pixels are not supported
23:25 bowtie ** (padre:26875): DEBUG: raico_blur_apply(): invalid surface status
23:25 bowtie The program 'padre' received an X Window System error.
23:25 bowtie This probably reflects a bug in the program.
23:25 bowtie The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
23:25 bowtie To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
23:25 bowtie option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
23:25 bowtie backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
23:26 Alias So that's related to a window having SetSizerHints
23:26 bowtie Alias, after running perl dev -a --die
23:26 Alias I fixed that in Padre core
23:26 Alias Let me see if I fixed it in FormBuilder
23:28 Hyppolit svn: r14325 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14325
23:28 Hyppolit Upgrading to get rid of the X Windows crash bug
23:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
23:28 Alias There go
23:29 bowtie Alias, I will try now
23:31 bowtie Alias, Bugger me and error, with no crash or MC death
23:31 bowtie Unhandled exception in plugin menu: Can't call method "Disable" without a package or object reference at /usr/src/Padre/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/Dialog.pm line 43.
23:35 bowtie Alias, not the dialog I was expecting!
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23:43 bowtie Alias, any more code to test?
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