Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-05-19

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00:08 badkins Hello,
00:09 badkins After running 'cpan Padre' I have no padre.bat or padre.exe. I installed on Strawberry 5.12.2.
00:15 Alias Did cpan say it completed successfully at the end?
00:19 badkins Yes, I got a good message. Ran cpan install a second time and it reported "up to date".
00:22 badkins There is a Padre folder under site/lib
00:23 Alias And running "padre" on the command line doesn't work?
00:23 Alias I would expect that to work, or alternatively, C:\site\bin\padre.exe
00:23 Alias er
00:23 Alias C:\strawberrry\perl\site\bin\padre.exe
00:24 Alias Or something like that
00:25 badkins running padre.exe from site\bin worked. :O
00:26 badkins Now I need to learn Padre! Thank you.
00:28 Alias Not a whole lot to learn, except for some of the shortcut keys :)
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04:32 shadowpaste "mib_CSJewell" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Build error in Alien::wxWidgets on Strawberry 5.12.1 (trying to get a 5.12 par built for Padre...)" (52 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105460
04:34 Alias I got nothing
04:36 mib_CSJewell No clue?
04:38 mib_CSJewell I'm trying again with Alien::wxWidgets 0.51 and wxWidgets 2.8.10 (that was 0.52/2.8.12, although trying 0.52/2.8.11. gave the same error)
04:44 Alias Have you tried with whatever worked for the previous release
04:46 mib_CSJewell That was 0.50/2.8.10, and I see this comment in A::wxW's Changes file under 0.51: - Build fix for Perl 5.12. I'll try that next if 0.51/5.8.10 fails.
04:52 mib_CSJewell I'll check back in about 15-20 minutes and report if things were successful or not.
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05:09 mib_CSJewell Nope. Same place. Checking with 0.50 now.
05:16 mib_CSJewell (I'll go to bed and report in tomorrow)
05:17 Alias hrm
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05:30 Sewi gm all
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07:32 waxhead howdy
07:32 Sewi Hi wax
07:32 waxhead how's things?
07:33 waxhead are we stable enough for a release yet?
07:33 Alias Pretty much
07:33 Alias Although there's some people complaining on Linux
07:34 El_Che padre has been pretty crashy the last weeks
07:46 waxhead likely the changes alias made with the fbp stuff?
07:47 El_Che yes
07:47 El_Che Alias: I disabled the first usage pop up that was crashing padre
07:47 El_Che I didn't fix it because I didn't totally understand the changes
07:48 waxhead it starts for me fine...
07:48 El_Che maybe it has been fixed in the mean time
07:48 waxhead I'm just doing the RELEASE_TESTING=1 stuff.. some basic fixes on the way
07:48 waxhead I'd really like to see a work flow for the wxformbuilder and padre stuff too...
07:49 El_Che yes, pretty cool stuff
07:49 waxhead although with alias burnt out on padre we might not get it for a while.. :)
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07:52 Hyppolit svn: r14395 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14395
07:52 Hyppolit Copyright fixes for RELEASE_TESTING passes
07:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
07:53 waxhead I'm getting so weird screen artifacts in Padre's editor window when scrolling - Ubuntu 11.04
07:54 El_Che same here
07:54 El_Che szabgab said there was solution in a ticket but I didn't find it
07:55 bowtie #1221
07:55 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:1 ]
07:56 Hyppolit svn: r14396 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14396
07:56 Hyppolit Change email
07:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
07:56 Alias waxhead: Well, an instructional screencast I can do
07:57 Alias The workflow is pretty simple, bowtie has been learning it fairly easily
07:57 waxhead Alias, awesome!
07:57 waxhead I'm sure it is...
07:58 waxhead bowtie, thanks!
07:58 Alias There's a couple of little nasty corners
07:58 bowtie Alias, Q Cookbook01
07:58 Alias (Mostly the "public" thing that bowtie encountered, because I had nowhere else to jam it
07:59 waxhead bowtie, see that url you linked to is no longer available
07:59 Alias bowtie: Stuff in email gets overlooked, you really should just commit it somewhere and I'll roll it back if it sucks
07:59 El_Che Alias: I had a look for the WhereFrom thing, but didn't grasp the separation of resposabily between the releated modules (2) and the fbp file
08:00 Alias bowtie: oh wow, that demo is infected by Best Practices
08:00 waxhead oh.. that url in the ticket actually has [...] in it, which of course breaks things...
08:00 Alias use version; our $VERSION = qv(0.03);
08:00 Alias unf
08:00 Alias You know our $VERSION = '0.03'; works just fine right
08:00 bowtie waxhead, i have not checked link of closed ticket, why would I
08:02 bowtie Alias, its a foof for thought, as well, as a sample, besides PBP is a good starting point, might not end there. :)
08:02 bowtie opps foof food
08:03 Alias ok, so for static text I'd say the main reason to strip is that you PROBABLY were trying to add a spacer before the text
08:03 Alias And so you should just use an actual spacer as opposed to faking it with text
08:04 Alias But that's without looking too much at the details
08:05 bowtie Alias, buy now you have v0.01 in a column called Verisio, :)
08:05 Alias The reason not to use 5.10 is that you WOULD be doing GUI stuff on RedHat 4, which is the current corporate linux standard (RHEL 5 is less than 6 months old)
08:05 El_Che crap
08:05 Alias Best to match the version of Padre for the perl dependency
08:05 El_Che they didn't ship 5.10?
08:05 Alias Padre uses 5.008005, which is the first version with no major unicode bugs
08:05 Alias RHEL 5 has 5.10
08:05 Alias But it's only new
08:05 Alias RHEL 4 is still everywhere and it's 5.8.8
08:06 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (closed defect) by waxhead  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:2 ]
08:06 bowtie Alias, Centos same problem,
08:06 Alias With regards to the naking, I find GuiWxFB.pm unintelligable
08:07 Alias If a plugin just has one main window, I personally just used FBP.pm for the generated file and Dialog.pm for the subclass
08:07 Alias naming
08:07 Alias My theory is "use as few words as possible until you need more words, then refactor the class names later"
08:08 El_Che waxhead: what is an overlay scrollbar?
08:08 waxhead El_Che, no idea... I'm guess it's that silly looking thing on the right when a normal scroll bar would be?
08:08 bowtie Alias, the reason is to get separation from {dialog}
08:08 Alias Wx::Dialog is part of Wx windows
08:09 Alias For Padre, the entire complicated bootstrapping of Wx is taken care of by Padre::Wx
08:09 El_Che waxhead: I saw those, but they disappeared, I have now normal scrollbars
08:09 Alias So use Padre::Wx is enough to have access to everything in Wx::...
08:09 El_Che I didn't change any settings
08:09 waxhead El_Che, and still the same thing?
08:09 waxhead you get those white bars in the editor?
08:10 waxhead I haven't made the changes suggested yet.. I don't know that I really want to restart my session just yet
08:10 El_Che Padre *
08:10 Alias The reason I use plain @ISA = qw{ Foo Bar } is that it's smaller code, faster to run, and has no dependencies
08:10 El_Che Padre *has** indeed the overlay scrollbars
08:10 Alias Using parent introduces a dependency
08:10 Alias And makes the whole load process more complicated
08:10 bowtie Alias, will look at Padre::Wx, to gain enlightenment
08:10 El_Che waxhead: funy enough, firefox and gnome-terminal do nit
08:10 Alias So I just continue to do it old-school
08:10 El_Che not
08:11 El_Che waxhead: and gnome-text-editor does have the special scrollbar
08:12 El_Che not very consistent
08:12 Alias our @ISA = qw{ Foo Bar };
08:12 Alias use parent -norequire => qw{ Foo Bar };
08:12 Alias Note which one is smaller, faster and has no dependencies
08:12 Alias And in fact, all parent is going to do under the covers is @ISA = qw{ Foo Bar } itself anyway
08:12 Alias So you replace a line of code with an entire dependency that runs the same line of code
08:13 Alias :)
08:13 Alias Except with load overhead and a CPAN install and import { } handler, and parameter checking and more memory consumption
08:13 El_Che Alias is in Alias::Tiny mode
08:13 El_Che :)
08:13 waxhead El_Che, yep.. it's abit rough this release
08:13 Alias El_Che: If we weren't heading for 500+ modules ...
08:13 waxhead but you get that with the 04 releases, or are they the LTR and 10 is the "experimental" releae?
08:14 El_Che no, they just pushed it a little
08:14 Alias And debugging startup is tons either with less use crap
08:14 waxhead OK, badcode is now passing..
08:14 bowtie Alias, I thought parent also takes care of use Foo as well
08:14 waxhead It's been a while, but Padre::Current can simply be replaced with $self->current no?
08:14 Alias bowtie: Not once you use -norequire :)
08:15 Alias bowtie: If you want to add a menu to the wxFormBuilder design, I haven't implemented that yet
08:15 Alias To add it to the plugin menu, look at the Padre::Plugin docs for menu_simple
08:15 Alias Or copy what the other plugins do, there's a few examples
08:17 Alias bowtie: The process for adding images is to just drop it wherever in share, but make sure it's legally compatible with debian and add it to the document that describes source and copyright for each
08:18 bowtie Alias, the code spinet works with no use
08:18 bowtie Alias, Ubuntu Natty is using icons of the form App.png
08:19 Hyppolit svn: r14397 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14397
08:19 Hyppolit Change Padre::Current to $self->current for RELEAES_TESTING passes
08:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:19 El_Che bowtie: are you talking about the low resolution icon in the unity bar when running padre (or in my case ./dev)?
08:20 bowtie Alias, what's the procedure to commit to trunk?
08:20 Alias svn commit
08:20 Alias And don't be a dick
08:20 Alias :)
08:21 Alias Make sure main tests pass
08:21 bowtie Alias, what about user name and password stuff
08:21 Alias Nobody gave you commit yet?
08:21 waxhead same as trac
08:21 Alias tsk tsk
08:21 waxhead or not...
08:21 Alias Someone help him commit, I gotta run off to training
08:21 Alias Try commiting your plugin first
08:22 Alias We'll look at the direct Padre commits after
08:22 Alias Gotta run
08:22 waxhead I think Sewi will have to do it...
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08:22 bowtie Alias, but its not finished yet
08:22 waxhead Sewi, can you provide commit to bowtie ?
08:22 * waxhead has to go get dinner now
08:22 El_Che waxhead: the fix on that ticket is overkill
08:23 waxhead El_Che, what's the simple fix then?
08:23 El_Che LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 ./dev fixes the problem without root access
08:23 El_Che just an environment variable in your .profile or in the script starting padre
08:23 El_Che just tested it :)
08:24 El_Che let me see if we can do it from padre itself
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08:25 El_Che works!
08:26 bowtie El_Che, I just went for first hack I could find, running 2D as my gpu can't handle unity
08:26 El_Che should a make a test if we are running linux or just don't bother and set the environment variable everywhere?
08:26 El_Che bowtie: you hack is fine. It helped me find find
08:26 El_Che it is the same thing
08:27 El_Che just now within padre
08:27 bowtie El_Che, I am trying to create a ubuntu plug-in for this type of stuff
08:28 El_Che "this kind of stuff" sounds like an overkill
08:28 El_Che this is the only issue we have, no
08:28 bowtie El_Che, in my hast I decided to use the new form builder interface thought
08:28 El_Che if you are talking about reversing button orders and changing the txt that's a different thing
08:29 bowtie El_Che, Have you put a Padre icon on Unity menu
08:29 El_Che let me see
08:29 El_Che we got the low end version
08:30 bowtie El_Che, the monstrosity on left-hand edge, awaiting a touch screen
08:32 El_Che maybe we need to supply a .destop file?
08:32 El_Che that points to the correct image?
08:34 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (reopened defect) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:3 ]
08:35 Hyppolit svn: r14398 | claudio++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14398
08:35 Hyppolit Disable overlay scrollbars on linux
08:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
08:37 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (reopened defect) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:4 ]
08:37 bowtie T time
08:37 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (closed defect) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:5 ]
08:38 El_Che thx for the fix bowtie
08:38 El_Che I never that the scrolling bars were the problem
08:45 El_Che bowtie: you don't have svn write commit?
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09:01 bowtie El_Che, no
09:02 bowtie El_Che, just read
09:02 El_Che i'll bug szabgab when he is around
09:05 bowtie El_Che, If you want to see Cookbook01 I will e-mail to you?
09:06 El_Che ok, do that
09:08 bowtie El_Che, i can't find your name on padre developers list
09:08 El_Che claudio
09:08 El_Che just msg'ed my email
09:18 bowtie El_Che, did you get an icon on Unity menu ok
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09:19 El_Che no yet
09:20 El_Che I am trying to figure out where unity gets its icon from
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09:20 bowtie El_Che, it's fun
09:20 El_Che (and preparing a bug report for p5p on failing 64-build of perl 5.14 on solaris)
09:24 El_Che http://d.hatena.ne.jp/toku​hirom/20110519/1305779739
09:49 El_Che the first step for padre on the browser :)
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10:11 * waxhead is trying El_Che's fix
10:12 waxhead and going nuts trying to get a netbooting myth front end..
10:12 * waxhead wonders why he does this to himself
10:13 Sewi El_Che: Not really, jslinux is way too slow for running Padre :-(
10:14 El_Che I was joking :)
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10:14 El_Che try to compile Wx.pm on js :)
10:15 Sewi May work... if the browser is running for a year or so :-)
10:15 waxhead El_Che++
10:15 waxhead nice!
10:15 waxhead works for me!
10:19 El_Che good
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11:39 Hyppolit # 1222 :  Padre crashes on fresh install (where-from-dialog) (closed defect) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1222#comment:1 ]
11:40 El_Che i need to spellcheck my comments :)
11:41 Sewi Opera has a build-in spellchecker for <textarea>-items
11:43 El_Che so does firefox but it seems I am too lazy to right click
11:43 El_Che :)
11:44 Sewi why right click?
11:44 Sewi It's done while typing
11:44 El_Che to get the alternative
11:45 El_Che crap, perl 5.14.0 64-bit segfaults in Solaris
11:45 Sewi Anybody tried couchdb?
11:45 El_Che it's what the cool kids smoke^Wuse
11:45 El_Che :)
11:51 El_Che szabgab's server is slow today
11:52 Hyppolit # 1142 :  crash on startup on Suse (closed defect) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1142#comment:2 ]
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12:10 Hyppolit # 1142 :  crash on startup on Suse (reopened defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1142#comment:3 ]
12:12 El_Che ok, that's it, I am downloading suse and run in a vm :)
12:13 szabgab El_Che: you know you could get my attention if the server is slow in other ways than setting one of my tickes to "invalid"
12:13 szabgab I am not sure if it is a generic suse issue
12:13 El_Che szabgab: it works :)
12:13 szabgab in fact I think it is just the @#$#@!$-d one I have as my desktop here
12:13 szabgab the whole threading thing does not work here
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12:14 El_Che perl -Mthreads -e1 ?
12:15 szabgab any time I try to launch some part of padre that has threads it crashes padre
12:15 szabgab perl -Mthreads -e'print "ok\n"'
12:15 szabgab also works
12:23 El_Che what are you running: SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop?
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12:31 El_Che szabgab: sorry, I tried:
12:31 El_Che Get Activation Code by logging in to your Novell Login account (or create an account).
12:32 El_Che Make note of or print the Activation Code for use during installation.
12:32 El_Che Click Proceed to download.
12:32 El_Che Download the files appropriate for your platform of choice.
12:32 El_Che pff, not in the mood for registering and downloading evaluation code
12:32 El_Che what's this 1990?
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12:34 bowtie szabgab, Hi
12:36 El_Che is this 2004 book still up to date? Perl Debugger Pocket Reference (Pocket Reference (O'Reilly))
13:00 bowtie T time
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13:01 szabgab El_Che: I think I am running an old version of SUE Enterprise
13:01 szabgab it is not up to me , this what I got at $client
13:01 szabgab I don't think the debugger changed a lot in the recent years
13:02 szabgab so that booklet shoud be still ok
13:03 szabgab perl 5.10 does not recognize  givem
13:05 szabgab it insists that I type it as given
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13:46 crumb hi
13:47 Sewi hi
13:49 crumb how i may install padre in custom directory?
13:50 crumb not in c:\
13:50 Sewi Don't know if this is currently possible.
13:51 Sewi Padre itself can be installed anywhere, but Strawberry is limited to c:\strawberry, I think
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16:04 abraxxa there are two requirements for Padre that don't install on 5.14 when using cpanplus: Class::Adapter and Class::Inspector
16:04 abraxxa maybe a Module::Install::DSL problem
16:05 abraxxa add File::Remove to this list
16:08 abraxxa and Locale::Msgfmt
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