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IRC log for #padre, 2011-06-15

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06:29 azawawi good morning
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06:44 azawawi Alias: ping
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08:42 El_Che http://bytes.com/topic/perl/answers/9​13850-perl-db-connection-oracle-10g-e​xpress-edition-using-padre-perl-ide
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08:42 El_Che someone needing dbi help
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10:16 waxhead hey everyone
10:30 Hyppolit svn: r14596 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14596
10:30 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] use lang_perl5_autocomplete_min_chars instead of perl_autocomplete_min_chars
10:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/LaTeX/
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10:30 zenog hi everyone
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11:05 szabgab hi waxhead zenog and everyone else :)
11:06 waxhead hey gabor
11:06 * waxhead is just setting up cpan testing
11:06 waxhead I caught mention of the method change in the backlogs...
11:08 waxhead regarding the next release.... I'm happy to get it out there, but given all the changes and the seeming lack of stability, I'm just not sure we're ready.... are me?
11:08 waxhead err... s/me/we/
11:08 Sewi Push it out as unstable
11:08 waxhead however if we want to release as a development release, how do we mark it like that on cpan?
11:15 Sewi Release 0.86_01 http://perldoc.perl.org/perlmo​dstyle.html#Version-numbering
11:16 Sewi And you may want to mention the second answer of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/260593/how-ca​n-i-install-a-specific-version-of-a-perl-module for "how to install a non indexed version"
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11:25 azawawi hi *
11:25 azawawi waxhead: ping
11:28 waxhead azawawi, pong
11:28 waxhead just did a cpan reporter thingy for Wx::Scintilla
11:28 azawawi waxhead: the report is still not uploaded to cpan testers website...
11:28 waxhead only just ran it.. apparently it can take some time...
11:28 waxhead about 5-10 minutes
11:28 azawawi waxhead: i see it the log http://metabase.cpantesters.org/tail/log.txt  (search Scintilla)
11:30 waxhead oh.. you see it... sorry
11:30 azawawi i think part of the problem of not getting enough reports through automated stuff
11:30 azawawi is that im not generating Makefile.PL
11:30 azawawi very strange indeed
11:32 waxhead what's strange?
11:32 waxhead do you see the version of perl I'm using?
11:32 azawawi that im getting reports for 0.06
11:33 azawawi even though 0.09 is uploaded
11:33 azawawi for a while
11:33 azawawi i flagged 0.06 till 0.08 for deletion
11:33 waxhead cpan picked up 0.09 here
11:34 azawawi it should it is released (one day ago according to metacpan :)
11:36 waxhead yeah.. just looking at the reports for 0.09
11:36 waxhead http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?di​st=Wx%3A%3AScintilla&maxver=
11:37 azawawi http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?d​ist=Wx-Scintilla%200.06;maxver=     # strange...
11:38 azawawi http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?d​ist=Wx-Scintilla%200.09;maxver=1 # bad... :)
11:38 waxhead 08 passed on win32
11:38 azawawi activeperl
11:39 azawawi i deleted 0.08 and others and will try to release a modified Wx::Build installation tonight if i could patch it with M:I instead of M:B :)
11:41 azawawi anyway Wx::Scintilla is integrated with Padre through a feature configuration parameter so we should be fine
11:41 azawawi i.e. no side effects
11:41 waxhead yeah, I see that...
11:41 waxhead I'll have to make mention of it in the release announcement
11:50 Hyppolit svn: r14597 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14597
11:50 Hyppolit Added Makefile.PL support through Module::Build::Compat
11:50 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
11:52 Hyppolit svn: r14598 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14598
11:52 Hyppolit Bumped version to 0.10, Perl tidy, Ignore Makefile
11:52 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
12:02 shadowpaste "szabgab" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "yet another Wx::Scintialla failure" (113 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/113004
12:03 szabgab azawawi: see above paste and let me know else you'd like to know
12:05 szabgab this is the broken Suse I keep reporting about
12:06 azawawi the problem is that i need some files to compile Wx::Scintilla from Wx
12:06 azawawi some binary installations do not have that
12:06 azawawi i think i'll have to bundle it
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12:07 azawawi but before that i need to modify my script to utilize Wx::build
12:07 azawawi hopefully now that i have added Makefile.PL generation, i'll get more reports...
12:11 El_Che szabgab: don't test on a broken machine. Will create more problems than it fixes
12:13 szabgab El_Che: it is not totally broken, PAdre runs on it
12:13 szabgab just the threading is crashing it :)
12:14 szabgab and I just need to work on this machine :(
12:14 El_Che ok, I thought you where testing azawawi's work on Wx
12:14 bowtie szabgab, if you use wx 2.8.11 you can get padre to run from ubuntu packages,
12:15 azawawi bowtie: aha, that's part of the problem... binary installations
12:16 azawawi bowtie: sometimes wx binary installation do not have the necessary headers/libs to compile a working Wx::Scintilla
12:19 waxhead azawawi, oh..  I was installing the Crypt::SSLeay in cpan and it detected that I was on a debian system and told me to install the libssl-dev package...
12:19 waxhead either that or it was LWP::Protocol::https
12:20 waxhead might want to steal from that?
12:20 Sewi waxhead: Which client did you use?
12:20 waxhead cpan
12:21 waxhead I've setup testing/reporting now
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12:21 Sewi Hmm, doesn't work on Ubuntu, would be nice to have because otherwise every system perl upgrade requires reinstall of all CPAN modules :-(
12:24 szabgab El_Che: yeah, I was testing them in case he wants more entry points
12:24 El_Che szabgab: yeah, everyone loves false positives :P
12:25 szabgab yeah :)
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12:25 szabgab just wait , I made two more screencasts
12:25 szabgab they are now on the editors desk
12:25 El_Che on the broken suse machine?
12:25 waxhead szabgab++  on the screencasts!
12:25 El_Che :)
12:26 szabgab El_Che: you are a funny guy
12:26 szabgab but wait, I'll catch up with that beer we had last time
12:26 El_Che First you tap twice on the screen, then recompile the kernel without root right to then ...
12:26 El_Che :)
12:26 El_Che szabgab: are you doing the conferences this year?
12:27 szabgab perl conferences or non-perl ones?
12:27 El_Che both
12:27 szabgab I hope I can make it to YAPC::EU
12:27 szabgab but I don't know about others, I got a bit burned out and ... well I could complain to length about this
12:28 szabgab for now I want to see how the screencasts work out
12:28 El_Che yeah, in that case it's time to relax
12:28 szabgab I was hoping to get more subscribers
12:28 El_Che that's the internet for you
12:29 szabgab eh?
12:29 El_Che if they how up in a google search people will watch it
12:29 El_Che but I don't know if people subscribe
12:29 szabgab I have now 58, I hope to reach 100 by the end of the month
12:29 El_Che that's pretty good
12:29 szabgab I have some numbers from other channels
12:29 szabgab with much higher numbers
12:30 szabgab but I think people first need to see real activity on the channel
12:30 szabgab there is a guy who has 1.5 M subscribers
12:30 szabgab but  he is making action movies :)
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12:31 El_Che kahn academy?
12:33 szabgab oh, here is the link with the top channels: http://www.youtube.com/cha​nnels?s=ms&t=a&g=0
12:36 szabgab that link can make you waste a lot of time :)
12:36 El_Che yeah, I recognize the talking orange
12:42 azawawi waxhead: will check it out, thanks
12:42 * azawawi work &
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13:33 zenog szabgab: I really liked your latest videos, but I am already subscribed to your channel. So, no new subscribers here ...
13:34 szabgab zenog: I am glad you liked them, then tweet them, link to them, blog them force other people to watch them :)
13:35 zenog szabgab: Already happened as well ;-)
13:35 szabgab and if you have other ideas on how to promote them, then please do  so and let me also know
13:37 zenog szabgab: content, content, content
13:37 szabgab yep, 2 more are on the way
13:37 zenog szabgab: And do not expect too much, it is programming, not action movies ;-)
13:37 szabgab and if I can get rid of the client I have then I might have more time :)
13:38 szabgab zenog: you don't know it yet, do you :)
13:38 zenog szabgab: Dancer is quite hip these days (even though we may be biased here), so it may be fun to see a short screencast on that?
13:39 zenog szabgab: This may attract the web programming hipster crowd ...
13:39 szabgab zenog: yes, that's being prepared
13:39 szabgab I just have to upgrade the Padre-on-Strawberry package for that so it will take 1-2 more weeks
13:40 szabgab and the have a broken Dancer on CPAN right now
13:40 szabgab anyway
13:47 El_Che put a dancing jesus in the page
13:47 * El_Che wonders how many people will get the reference
13:51 zenog szabgab: Today's release was broken?
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13:55 szabgab zenog: I did not know there was a Dancer relase today
13:55 szabgab I was talking about an earlier one
14:03 zenog El_Che: Which page?
14:08 El_Che your youtube channel
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14:44 bowtie azawawi, I copied file and run, works ok now :)
14:51 bowtie azawawi, Opps, more info, built against cpan Alien::wxWidgets, and Wx
14:51 bowtie wx v2.8.12
15:08 Hyppolit svn: r14599 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14599
15:08 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] improved autocompletion for environments
15:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Document/
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19:31 rindolf Hi all.
19:31 rindolf The /topic is empty.
19:33 szabgab not for me
19:37 rindolf szabgab: well, it is here.
19:37 rindolf szabgab: probably a different server.
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19:51 Hyppolit svn: r14600 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14600
19:51 Hyppolit svn:ignore
19:51 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/
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19:58 szabgab blog and screencast on using the command line debugger of perl: http://bit.ly/lUsSQ1
20:02 szabgab if anyone of you is using reddit, please post the link to the blog entry
20:05 El_Che perl debugger?
20:05 El_Che nice
20:05 El_Che thx gabor
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20:13 rindolf szabgab++
20:14 rindolf szabgab: I'm debugging a bug in perl -d now.
20:14 rindolf szabgab: already written a test.
20:16 rindolf http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Tic​ket/Display.html?id=92906 - this one. sprout already did the bisecting.
20:16 rindolf Which I'm doing now.
20:22 El_Che szabgab: just a style detail:
20:22 El_Che localhost as host?
20:23 szabgab yeah I know :)
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20:33 El_Che szabgab: it was very good!
20:33 El_Che you'll laugh, but I *never* used the l command
20:33 El_Che thx
20:34 El_Che an other cosmetic remark: smile when saying good bye
20:34 szabgab you are welcome :)
20:34 szabgab :)
20:34 szabgab :)
20:34 szabgab good bye :)
20:34 El_Che you should know that as a deciple of the the black art of marketing :)
20:34 szabgab the funny thing is that I am quite ok talking in front of a bunch of people  eg. fosdem
20:35 szabgab but I get neverous infront of the off-line camera
20:35 El_Che no people laughing reassuring everything is ok
20:35 El_Che you are the funny guy type of public speaker
20:36 szabgab I hope with time I'll get used to the camera and then it will improve
20:36 szabgab but as of now I am still nerveous
20:36 El_Che it's pretty good
20:36 El_Che really
20:36 El_Che I am just nitpicking
20:36 szabgab one thing that I noticed that is quite broken,
20:36 El_Che the typing refresh?
20:37 szabgab is that I recoreded the text part to fit the youtube size
20:37 szabgab but then because of the other video the whole thing got smaller
20:37 szabgab and here are black stripes on both sides
20:38 szabgab we'll have to figure it out with my son, who is doing the actually editing of the videos
20:38 El_Che i see it
20:38 El_Che something stopping for higher quality uploads?
20:39 El_Che 720 or higher?
20:39 El_Che or are you getting the highest quality of the camera already (webcam?)
20:39 szabgab I think this time KDEnlive refused to render at 4000K, if I understand the problem
20:40 El_Che i c
20:40 szabgab yeah I am now using a webcam though we have some more professional equipment as well
20:40 El_Che anyway, the text is good readable
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20:40 El_Che how do you record the menu?
20:40 El_Che the console
20:40 El_Che I mean
20:41 szabgab the place where I type?
20:41 El_Che the debugger
20:41 szabgab I use recordmydesktop
20:41 El_Che you draw a rectangle around the terminal, I see
20:41 szabgab it is a command line application with a gui wrapper in linux
20:41 El_Che it's a good touch to have your face on the corner
20:42 El_Che and I like the duration
20:42 El_Che deep enough but too long
20:42 El_Che so you can quickly watch it at work
20:42 El_Che or between changing channels or whatever
20:43 El_Che is it done on purpose?
20:43 szabgab the length?
20:43 szabgab well, the limit of youtube is 15 min anyway so it could not be much longer
20:44 szabgab but yes I try to be at a consumable length
20:44 El_Che I have seen longer tutorials
20:44 El_Che but probably elsewhere
20:44 szabgab the "partners" of youtube have no limits
20:45 szabgab but that requires tons of very good content with lots of subscribers and lots of people watching the videos
20:45 szabgab I see I have some of the screencasts in HD
20:46 El_Che now that linux finally runs flash fullscreen, hD is nice
20:46 szabgab so it is doable, we just need to figue out how to make it work for us
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20:48 szabgab anyway, I need to go to sleep
20:48 El_Che yeah
20:48 El_Che likewise
20:48 szabgab good bye :)
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23:18 Hyppolit svn: r14601 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14601
23:18 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
23:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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