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IRC log for #padre, 2011-06-18

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05:44 waxhead hmm.. latest check out from trunk, you can't CRTl-V text into the Find bar ( the one you get when you hit CRTL-F once )
05:49 Hyppolit # 1230 :  Pasting via CRTL-V in Find Pastes the text into the editor (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1230 ]
05:52 Hyppolit svn: r14646 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14646
05:52 Hyppolit perl tidy before creating release 0.86 branch
05:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
05:53 Hyppolit svn: r14647 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14647
05:53 Hyppolit Updating changes to close off dev cycle
05:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
05:57 Hyppolit svn: r14648 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14648
05:57 Hyppolit Version bump to 0.86 for release branch
05:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/Padre/
05:58 Hyppolit svn: r14649 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14649
05:58 Hyppolit Creating the 0.86 release branch.
05:58 Hyppolit branches/
06:00 Hyppolit svn: r14650 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14650
06:00 Hyppolit Version updates to reflect the next cycle of development
06:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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06:07 waxhead OK, finally have a branch for the release...
06:07 waxhead Tuesday next week I'll have it on CPAN, earlier if there's no movement with translations...
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06:13 sugar will it be 0.86?
06:16 waxhead sugar, yep
06:16 waxhead trunk is now 0.87
06:16 waxhead we have an odd/even numbering for development and release
06:18 El_Che waxhead++
06:25 sugar what modules are wished to be updated with padre?
06:25 sugar waxhead++
06:30 waxhead sugar, what do you mean about modules that need to be updated?
06:32 sugar padre depends on 100+ modules
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09:16 El_Che http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=910271
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09:17 zenog moin
09:17 Sewi Hi Zenog :)
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13:23 bowtie Sewi, ping
13:45 Sewi pong
13:45 bowtie Sewi, hi
13:45 Sewi hi
13:47 bowtie Sewi, as requested, the ConfigDB viewer is part of Cookbook -> Recipe04, you can visually see your patch for session, also some other inconsistencies
13:51 bowtie Sewi, such as you can only add a description on creation, save will dose not update description.
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14:27 bowtie Sewi, any feedback ?
14:28 Sewi I'll give it once I found the time to check the plugin :)
14:31 bowtie Sewi, I have noticed that there are Q's on here in past regarding config and startup, where the solution is to --reset, rather than to find out what is wrong, that is where the inspiration can from
14:32 Sewi why is it called cookbook
14:32 Sewi ?#
14:32 Sewi I'd prefer Padre repairing thing automatically if they're broken
14:33 Sewi But a plugin is a good place to start and to test the repair functions :-)
14:36 bowtie Sewi, due to my lack of knowledge of Padre internals, it is easer to see problem, before trying to fix, hence if i can display I am half way there :)
14:36 Sewi sure, it's the right way to the target "auto repair"
14:39 bowtie Sewi, as for Cookbook, it's a way of sharing info, to hopefully to encourage other newbies to join in by sharing info.
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14:52 * Sewi svn up
14:55 Sewi It says the module is incompatible
14:57 bowtie Sewi, can I see the error message please
14:57 Sewi It says I need a Wx::Dialog Version 0 or newer
14:59 Sewi nice tool
14:59 bowtie Sewi,  I am running it against r14625, using perl dev -a --die to load and see all error messages
14:59 Hyppolit Changeset #14625 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14625
15:03 bowtie Sewi, I picked local ConfigDB as it is easy to view, via Padre internals, linux users can view, but MSnot will get naffed up by Adobe
15:04 Sewi Wait a moment, I'm writing a short tool...
15:07 bowtie Sewi, as for Wx::Dialog, it must have a version as per Padre::Plugin, but following azawawi guidance Wx::Dialog has some XS magic, thus I concluded it exists and 0 satisfies P::P
15:08 Sewi I commented out the requirement-line for Wx::Dialog in padre_interface
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15:10 bowtie Sewi, but P::P POD say's to include all Padre modules in padre_interface, are you saying the P::P POD is wrong?
15:10 shadowpaste "Sewi" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Cookbook plugin error for bowtie" (3 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/114182
15:11 Hyppolit svn: r14651 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14651
15:11 Hyppolit Tool for pasting from command line to Padre IRC channel
15:11 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
15:11 Hyppolit svn: r14652 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14652
15:11 Hyppolit Oops, forgot to tidy up :-)
15:11 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
15:12 Sewi The POD should be ok, I just tried to get it working here :)
15:13 bowtie Sewi, I did say beta as I have not done dependencies yet, you will need to install Data::Printer, garu's cool module, used by Show.
15:13 * Sewi installing Data::Printer
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15:15 Sewi Feels like data:printer is installing half of CPAN as dependency :-(
15:16 bowtie Sewi, hands up, not me, ask garu
15:17 * Sewi blames garu on 50 dependencies http://deps.cpantesters.org/?modu​le=Data%3A%3APrinter;perl=latest
15:19 * Sewi is going to make dinner and will come back later looking if installation is done :-)
15:19 bowtie Sewi, talk latter :)
15:43 Sewi finally finished :)
15:43 shadowpaste "Sewi" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Cookbook plugin error for bowtie" (3 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/114201
15:44 bowtie Sewi, cpan or food, :)
15:44 Sewi cpan
15:45 bowtie Sewi, guess what, you need to CPAN again namespace::autoclean
15:46 Sewi oh, I tried devel:repl
15:46 bowtie Sewi, what is devel:repl
15:47 Sewi Something used bei a padre plugin
15:53 bowtie Sewi, I don't understand, sorry
15:53 Sewi your function #4 is working now :)
15:53 Hyppolit # 4 :  allow anonymous svn checkout (closed defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/4#comment:1 ]
15:56 Sewi Your plugin is nice.
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15:57 Sewi resizing #4 dosn't work well and the estimated time for loading my history is 20 min. :-)
15:57 Hyppolit # 4 :  allow anonymous svn checkout (closed defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/4#comment:1 ]
15:57 bowtie Sewi, thank you,
15:57 Sewi you're welcome :) But please add the dependencies :)
15:59 bowtie Sewi,  I will, but it went up early just for you, to assist you in viewing ConfigDB.
16:00 bowtie Sewi, are you happy with old school look?
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16:53 garu Sewi1: ok, this has to stop
16:53 garu a *lot* of people have been complaining about data::printer being huge on deps
16:54 garu but when _PADRE_ folks start complaining about it being huge on deps (like you and szabgab) I think it's time to figure out just wtf is going on
16:54 bowtie garu, I don't care, it's cool :)
16:56 garu bowtie: thanks :D
16:56 garu it depends on File::HomeDir (light, no deps), Sort::Naturally (light, no deps), Object::ID (deps on Hash::FieldHash I think. I might be able to remove it or make it lighter) and Class::MOP (which means "Moose")
16:57 garu it also depends on Module::Build, which I *thought* was core from long ago but now I realize there are a lot of people still going 5.8.8 for whatever reason
16:58 garu now what can I do to make this easier on deps?
16:59 bowtie garu, I thought 5.10 was now frozen also?
16:59 garu bowtie: it is! Well, not "frozen" but unmaintained. Perl is now supported only in 5.12.x and 5.14.x
17:00 bowtie garu, sorry, I meant unmaintained.
17:00 garu but there is still RHEL and tons of other distros that didn't get the memo and keep shipping old perls
17:01 bowtie garu, why are RHEL being so difficult ?
17:01 garu Sewi1: what can I do to make it ligther? What was the perl version you were installing it in? Why did it feel like bloat? Was it Moose? Was it something else?
17:02 garu bowtie: I don't know, I guess it's their own commercial maintaining cycle. The new fedora doesn't even ship with perl anymore, which just sucks
17:04 bowtie garu, are they doing to doing a MSnot and try and push there own version?
17:04 garu no clue
17:05 bowtie garu, any way D-P got my vote
17:06 garu I'm thinking of swithing to Module::Install and bundling it in inc/ (not that Module::Build can't be bundled, but I foud the docs very confusing) and maybe implementing my own Object:Id, but I won't drop Class::MOP for analyzing objects unless there a bloody good reason for it
17:07 garu bowtie: thanks! I won't be teribbly upset if you give your vote on cpanratings :D
17:08 garu anyway, gotta go get some lunch
17:08 bowtie garu, yu want blood to :)
17:08 bowtie opps you
17:09 garu he
17:09 garu heh
17:10 garu if anyone has any ideas as to reduce deps on Data:Printer and make installation less painful, please let me know. Otherwise I'm still giving priority to fixing installation on Windows and other feature requests I got
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18:08 Sewi garu++
18:09 Sewi Garu: I built it on my dev pc, ubuntu 10.04 with everything installed which is required for Padre and other things.
18:10 Sewi Maybe you could reduce the required versions. It also built a new Moose version
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18:14 Sewi Ubuntu 10.10's M:B is 0.360700, but I don't know if it's installed by default.
18:16 Hyppolit svn: r14653 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14653
18:16 Hyppolit Makefile.PL added as suggested by Sewi
18:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/
18:18 Sewi bowtie: great!
18:18 Hyppolit svn: r14654 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14654
18:18 Hyppolit MANIFEST added for use with Makefile.PL
18:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/
18:20 bowtie Sewi,  is META.yam auto created or should it be done manually?
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19:40 szabgab garu: ping
19:41 szabgab I'd really like to see the Windows version of Data::Printer fixed and I'd like to see if there is any SDL game on CPAN I can try?
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20:00 Hyppolit svn: r14655 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14655
20:00 Hyppolit Makefile.PL tweaking, added version
20:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/
20:08 Hyppolit svn: r14656 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14656
20:08 Hyppolit tweaking, svn:mime-type
20:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/
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21:30 Shamb hello
21:35 Shamb I newbie in padre.I've used Eclipse before and I have a question, how to view a variable value. In Eclipse, a hash or array, use something like the list.
21:41 bowtie Shamb, do you mean the value of a variable in the eclipse debugger?
21:41 Shamb yes
21:44 bowtie Shamb, you will need to talk to szabgab, due to timings try in approx 8+ hours
21:45 Shamb bowtie: thank you.
21:46 bowtie Shamb, np
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