Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-06-20

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00:45 bvierra hey guys, having a weird issue here... anyone seen the editor do this when scrolling?: http://i.imgur.com/7JwlN.png
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03:27 szabgab bvierra: I have not seen it but I think this was already reported
03:27 szabgab on ubuntu 11.4
03:27 szabgab but I don't recall the solution, maybe there was a ticket opened with this?
03:29 szabgab anyone awake there hours?
03:30 szabgab http://padre-perl-ide.googlecode.com/fi​les/padre-on-strawberry-5.12.3.0-v4.exe
03:30 szabgab is the new version of padre-on-strwberry perl, I'd appreciate if windows users tried it and let me know if there is some issue with it?
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03:39 szabgab apparently the number of padre related questions are increasing on both SO http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/padre
03:42 szabgab and PerlMonks http://perlmonks.org/?node=padre
03:48 Hyppolit svn: r14667 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14667
03:48 Hyppolit file for Padre on Strawberry v4
03:48 Hyppolit trunk/tools/ trunk/tools/strawberry/
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05:00 Hyppolit svn: r14668 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14668
05:00 Hyppolit backporting the feature to use Wx::Scintilla
05:00 Hyppolit branches/Padre-0.84.1/ branches/Padre-0.84.1/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-0.84.1/lib/Padre/Wx/
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05:42 Sewi gm world
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05:58 szabgab hi sewi, if you have an SO account, please review the wiki entry ot the padre tag: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/padre
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06:04 Sewi Having CPAN as OpenID provider would be really cool :)
06:08 Sewi szabgab: done
06:14 szabgab Sewi: thanks and pls do it again :)
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06:14 szabgab hi azawawi
06:15 Sewi gm azawawi
06:15 Sewi szabgab: Find isn't perfect now, but I think it's releaseable.
06:15 szabgab I'd like to hear from Alias how he was hoping this to work
06:16 szabgab oh and if I am not mistaken we did not have a Padre release for 3 months now
06:19 Sewi :-(
06:20 Sewi The _0x unstable/dev CPAN releases sound good to me, we should issue them much more often.
06:20 * Sewi bbl
06:20 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadWindows changed by szabgab
06:22 Hyppolit svn: r14669 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14669
06:22 Hyppolit retab and add v5
06:22 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
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06:50 azawawi gm everyone. sorry i logged in and started reading articles and NPW 2011 talks :)
06:52 Hyppolit svn: r14670 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14670
06:52 Hyppolit EVT_SCINTILLA* is now EVT_STC* for backward compatibility with Wx::STC
06:52 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
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06:54 Hyppolit svn: r14671 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14671
06:54 Hyppolit POD Updates
06:54 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
06:54 Hyppolit svn: r14672 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14672
06:54 Hyppolit Perl tidy
06:54 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
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06:59 Hyppolit svn: r14673 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14673
06:59 Hyppolit Added Perl 6 lexer to linked lexers
06:59 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
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07:04 Hyppolit svn: r14674 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14674
07:04 Hyppolit Update POD
07:04 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
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07:07 azawawi szabgab: ping
07:11 szabgab azawawi: pong
07:11 Hyppolit svn: r14675 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14675
07:11 Hyppolit Updated TODO
07:11 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
07:12 azawawi szabgab: do we set a keywords list in Padre for a lexer?
07:12 azawawi szabgab: keywords are not maintained inside the lexer code in scintilla...
07:15 szabgab azawawi: we have not been doing it so far
07:15 azawawi szabgab: i see
07:15 azawawi szabgab: that's why we dont have keywords highlighted then
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07:22 azawawi http://www.yellowbrain.com/stc/lexing.html#setkw
07:23 azawawi for perl http://pastebin.com/hi5vanB3
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07:39 szabgab azawawi: http://code.google.com/p/padre-perl-id​e/downloads/detail?name=padre-on-straw​berry-5.12.3.0-v5.exe&can=2&q=
07:42 * azawawi downloading
07:52 Hyppolit svn: r14676 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14676
07:52 Hyppolit some version number alignment
07:52 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
07:55 Hyppolit svn: r14677 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14677
07:55 Hyppolit update download link
07:55 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
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08:17 azawawi szabgab: padre works
08:17 azawawi szabgab: uninstalled/installed... padre 0.842 + Wx::Scintilla..
08:17 azawawi szabgab: perfecto!
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08:18 azawawi frozen bubble takes forever to start
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08:19 azawawi now playing frozen bubble with Padre... :)
08:19 azawawi that's fun
08:19 azawawi IDE + game
08:29 szabgab azawawi: on my VM it takse 2 sec I think
08:29 szabgab to start FB
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09:51 waxhead hey everyone...
09:53 bowtie waxhead, are you going to include a LICENCE file in release? #1224
09:53 Hyppolit # 1224 :  LICENCE (LICENSE) (assigned defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1224#comment:2 ]
09:56 waxhead bowtie, no idea.. never knew it was missing..
09:57 bowtie waxhead, I just look at things in a different way and see what other's miss. :)
09:58 waxhead handy skill to have :)
09:58 waxhead I'm not sure even sure we've had a licence file before
09:59 azawawi bowtie++
09:59 Sewi It's included in README/POD, I think :)
09:59 waxhead which means we'd have to write one, all modules contain a statement that the code is available under the same terms as Perl
09:59 waxhead Sewi, is it?
09:59 Sewi I'm pretty sure :)
10:00 Sewi It is: "The Padre source is distributed under the same terms as Perl itself" (from README)
10:00 waxhead yeah, in README it mentions it
10:00 bowtie waxhead, if we reference to a licence and don't have one, dose that mean we release unlicence software?
10:01 waxhead which also makes mention of reading Artistic and COPYING
10:01 bowtie Sewi, yes the POD only references a file which is missing.
10:01 waxhead No, not really, it means we don't have a LICENCE file that says the same thing as the README
10:02 waxhead I see no reason not to include the LICENCE file if we mention everywhere...
10:02 waxhead just copy and paste the same bit from the README
10:02 waxhead with the same references to the other files
10:02 bowtie waxhead, but we only refer to see LICENCE not README
10:03 waxhead waxhead, yep.. hence we could just take the licence wording from README and put that into LICENCE
10:04 bowtie waxhead, IMHO we don't include a licence
10:04 bowtie Opps english licence, copy right license
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10:05 waxhead maybe not explicitly in a LICENSE file, but certainly in all the modules...
10:05 waxhead but your point if valid, if it's referenced then it should exist
10:24 szabgab waxhead: there was a LICENSE file generated earlier I think
10:24 szabgab you might dig it out from a previous version and add that file to the SVN repository
10:25 bowtie szabgab, which version 0.2, 0.4 or 0.6 ?
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10:30 user_4182 Hello. I have a problem with padre and Alt-L combination under editing. I'm using this combination to type national character, but it is captured by key binding "go to outline window". I tryed disable this binding but it still works :( padre ver 0.842 , installed to previous 0.63 . can anybody help me?
10:31 Sewi Hi user_4182
10:31 Sewi I'm sorry, but I think all you could do is removing the shortcut from Padre/Wx/ActionLibrary.pm
10:32 user_4182 where it is located? I installed padre in default windows c:\padre directory.
10:32 user_4182 I'm sorry, c:\strawberry dir .
10:33 Sewi waxhead: You have Strawberry installed?
10:34 user_4182 Yes. I installed pack strawberry + padre  , get this from padre home.
10:34 user_4182 I found this file. C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib​\Padre\Wx\ActionLibrary.pm
10:35 Hyppolit svn: r14678 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14678
10:35 Hyppolit Properly enable Perl 6 Wx::Scintilla support
10:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
10:37 user_4182 I don't want use perl6 because scripts are finally used under linux & perl5 .
10:37 Sewi user_4182: Sounds good :) The shortcut Alt-L should be defined there.
10:37 Sewi Search for "window.goto_outline_window", the shortcut definition is 3 lines below
10:40 user_4182 thanks, i found this, source:   shortcut   => 'Alt-L',           what I should do with this? And ..... why this is constant, should be variable table :)
10:41 Sewi Comment the line out (add a # in front of the line)
10:46 user_4182 I tryed 2 combination. first I commented, next uncomment & changed to Alt-P - not used previously. unfortunately effect the same. When I typing Alt-L , it is removed one line in editor, then I must use Edit/Back .
10:46 user_4182 Of course after both changes I close padre and reopen before test.
10:46 Sewi Did you restart Padre after changing the line?
10:46 Sewi ok
10:47 Hyppolit svn: r14679 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14679
10:47 Hyppolit Disable Wx::EVT_STC_* event warning redefinition
10:47 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
10:48 Hyppolit svn: r14680 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14680
10:48 Hyppolit Perl tidy
10:48 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
10:48 user_4182 Sewi: Do you have any idea?
10:49 Sewi Currently not, sorry.
10:49 Sewi Oh, which language do you use?
10:49 user_4182 ok. I go back to work. Very thanks for help :) This problem should be reported as bug.
10:50 Sewi user_4182: Do you use Padre in English or in any other language?
10:50 bowtie azawawi, why is wx scintilla based on v1.79 circa july 2009, and not say v2.20 circa july 2010 ??
10:50 user_4182 I'm using in Polish lang, but if it is needed I can change to English.
10:51 Sewi user_4182: Please give it a try
10:53 Sewi Yeah, it looks like the shortcut is defined in the language file, too :-(
10:54 Hyppolit svn: r14681 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14681
10:54 Hyppolit Bugfix for PL language file
10:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
10:54 user_4182 After switch to english the same. For lang switch I use menu opt. View/Language/English .
10:54 Sewi You might need to restart Padre to really clear the shortcut, but I'm not sure about this.
10:55 Sewi I just removed the shortcut from the language file for future versions
10:56 user_4182 I test all after close/reopen padre for libs reload.
10:56 Hyppolit svn: r14682 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14682
10:56 Hyppolit Updated Changes for 0.13 release. Nothing major. Just make sure Perl 6 lexer works and Wx::Event::EVT_STC compatibility update
10:56 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:56 Sewi ping azawawi
10:56 azawawi pong Sewi :)
10:56 Sewi thanks, any idea about that shortcut problem?
10:57 azawawi what about it?
10:58 user_4182 I cannot find trunk/Padre/share/locale/   . there are some directories Padre/locale .
10:58 Sewi user_4182 can't disable Alt-L, we tried to remove it from ActionLibrary, but it's still working. We swichted to English because the PL language file still defined it, but didn't help
10:58 azawawi bowtie: it is planned in the TODO. start with 1.79 and move forward to 2.20
10:58 Sewi user_4182: I updated the file on the Padre SVN server for the next release...
10:59 azawawi Sewi: ALT-L? Outline?
10:59 user_4182 for me it is no matter, can be english :)
10:59 Sewi azawawi: Yes, he needs this shortcut for local lang chars.
10:59 azawawi give me a min to check it out after i release Wx::Scintilla 0.13 (lucky release :))
11:01 bowtie azawawi, thanks
11:01 azawawi bowtie: the thing is i based Wx::Scintilla on Robin Dunn's excellent Wx::STC
11:02 azawawi bowtie: and then i upgraded the scintilla tree to 1.79
11:02 azawawi bowtie: upgrading to 2.20 = broken Events and a lot of compilation errors
11:02 azawawi bowtie: i need to merge Wx::STC 2.03 changes with ours
11:03 azawawi bowtie: but first i need to post an updated POD documentation for Wx::Scintilla.. copied and put into friendly POD form from www.yellowbrain.com/stc/index.html
11:03 user_4182 azawaw: thank's for changes :)
11:04 bowtie azawawi, thanks for expanding TODO
11:04 azawawi np
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11:19 Hyppolit svn: r14683 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14683
11:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:42 azawawi szabgab: ping
11:55 szabgab pong with delay
11:56 El_Che azawawi: @Oracle doing a J2EE course
11:57 azawawi szabgab: Having Win32::GuiTest inside Strawberry with Cream seems like a bad idea because Padre trunk tests begin to fail there
11:57 azawawi El_Che: cool
11:58 azawawi szabgab: could you provide me with various cases on the scalar inside a Perl string... so i can add it to LexPerl.cxx ? :)
11:58 azawawi szabgab: scalar or array that is...
11:58 szabgab azawawi: so we shold fix the tests or Padre?
11:58 azawawi szabgab: no idea... was fixing wx-scintilla on v4
11:58 szabgab "hello $name"
11:59 szabgab "hello @people"
11:59 szabgab "ahmad\@zawawi.jd"
12:00 azawawi .jo :)
12:00 Hyppolit svn: r14684 | markd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14684
12:00 Hyppolit Wx::Scintilla - fix for scrolling redraw on Ubuntu 11.04 +
12:00 Hyppolit See http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13229#comment:3
12:00 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
12:05 azawawi i'd like now to start working on the Wx::Scintilla documentation
12:05 azawawi which is basically a proper re-write to wxPerl http://www.yellowbrain.com/stc/
12:05 azawawi with better examples
12:06 azawawi im thinking of first writing a quick script to create POD out the of the HTML
12:06 azawawi and then manually updating documentation examples
12:08 azawawi szabgab: what about the "${...}" cases?
12:08 azawawi szabgab: or should i just implement the simple cases first?
12:10 szabgab I guess start with the simple cases and improve things as people come with ideas
12:25 Hyppolit # 1221 :  Ubuntu Natty, getting white lines across the code when I scroll down, (closed defect) by markd  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1221#comment:6 ]
12:28 azawawi szabgab: cool
12:31 Hyppolit svn: r14685 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14685
12:31 Hyppolit Updated Changes
12:31 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
12:32 Hyppolit svn: r14686 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14686
12:32 Hyppolit Bumped version to 0.14 and fixed Changes
12:32 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
12:37 Hyppolit svn: r14687 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14687
12:37 Hyppolit Added initial version of Wx::Scintilla::Manual
12:37 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/Scintilla/
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12:40 Hyppolit svn: r14688 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14688
12:40 Hyppolit More POD updates to Wx::Scintilla::Manual
12:40 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/Scintilla/
12:51 Hyppolit svn: r14689 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14689
12:51 Hyppolit Added scintilla license to POD
12:51 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
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13:11 wallasey azawawi: Multiple -rpath arguments on Linux does not work  bleh!
13:12 wallasey I must have only run external progs to test Wx::Scintilla from the build directory of Wx::Scintilla
13:13 wallasey I'll check out Linux install options to figure out how to fix this
13:16 azawawi wallasey: yup
13:16 azawawi wallasey: i loath -rpath
13:17 azawawi wallasey: took me like 3 days to figure it out
13:17 wallasey azawawi: did your version work, and I've messed it up?
13:18 azawawi wallasey: which one?
13:18 azawawi wallasey: 0.13 is running fine with padre
13:18 azawawi wallasey: i redefined EVT_STC_* for compatibility
13:19 wallasey azawawi: I'm confused now.
13:19 wallasey I'll go away and recheck my failures
13:19 azawawi wallasey: sometimes you need to uninstall development libs...
13:19 azawawi wallasey: cpanp u Wx::Scintilla
13:20 azawawi wallasey: happened to me once
13:21 azawawi wallasey: any ideas how to organize Wx::Scintilla::Manual?
13:27 Hyppolit svn: r14690 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14690
13:27 Hyppolit Added a manual reference to Wx::Scintilla::Manual
13:27 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
13:28 wallasey azawawi:Your idea to html2pod the existing yellowbrain stuff seems like the best start. The you could do some reorganisation / editing.
13:37 szabgab here you go with the announcement: http://bit.ly/joowi1
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13:53 Hyppolit svn: r14691 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14691
13:53 Hyppolit Initial version yellow brain STC conversion script
13:53 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/
14:01 azawawi szabgab: v4 or v5?
14:02 szabgab it is v5
14:02 szabgab in v4 I missed the backport of the Wx:Scintilla feature
14:03 azawawi i think we should go with a slower version numbering scheme
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14:03 szabgab oh it is a subversion after 5.12.3.0 :)
14:04 szabgab I'll see how things work out and at one point might switch to YY.MM as version number
14:04 azawawi anyway we can always move to another name... dont worry about it :)
14:04 szabgab at one point I will have to
14:04 szabgab but I could not figue out a better name yet
14:05 azawawi we need also to push rakudo inside
14:05 azawawi that is once im done with the Perl 6 lexer
14:05 szabgab currently rakudo is still hard coded in the path we compiled to
14:06 szabgab so I cannot add it and let people to install anywhere
14:06 azawawi we add it as an option in the installer
14:06 szabgab though I think I might be able to optionally tell them to install it in a fixed place
14:06 azawawi i think that's the ultimate thing to have
14:06 azawawi install what you want...
14:06 szabgab people can now install the rakudo installer
14:07 azawawi ok cool, all we have to do is to integrate P:P:P6 with it
14:07 azawawi im tired of the slow STD.pm6 syntax highlighter
14:07 szabgab yes I should add PPP6 to the next release maybe
14:07 azawawi STD.pm6 is going to be used only for syntax checking
14:07 szabgab if it gets updated, you know :), hint hint :)
14:07 azawawi hehe
14:08 azawawi that and the other thing
14:08 azawawi syntax checking frequency
14:08 azawawi we *need* to put syntax checking behind a timer that fires if and only if the user is not typing stuff for 200ms+
14:08 azawawi that way we dont delay anything
14:09 azawawi our abuse of Padre's Task 2.0 API is really bad
14:09 azawawi doesnt mean that thread workers are more light that we fire them constantly
14:10 azawawi s/that we/that we can/
14:10 azawawi and one more thing, syntax checking is not accurate in Padre
14:11 azawawi since there is a shortcut in the code to *optimize* calling of syntax checking
14:11 azawawi we used to use MD5 for checking... now it is line length which happens to be the same
14:11 azawawi and hence bogus syntax checker result
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14:14 bowtie azawawi, syntax checking kills me, found this #1175, but there are others
14:14 Hyppolit # 1175 :  padre goes crazy and does not allow saving file after a few seconds (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1175#comment:3 ]
14:15 bowtie szabgab, your screen tests are getting better, need more : ) :)
14:16 Hyppolit svn: r14692 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14692
14:16 Hyppolit convert-yellowbrain.pl now traverse subject index, download each HTML and saves them to disk
14:16 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/
14:19 waxhead azawawi, well done.. Wx::Scintilla built/installed fine for me tongiht!
14:19 szabgab azawawi: I am now trying to focus on the educational aspects and making easy to get started
14:19 szabgab bowtie: thanks
14:19 azawawi waxhead: wallasey++, markd++ (Mark Dootson) for his great help
14:20 szabgab azawawi: they are the same :)
14:20 waxhead right, it's very late here.. time for bed...
14:20 szabgab I should have mentioned him too in the screencast
14:20 waxhead I'll do the release tomorrow night
14:20 szabgab great waxhead
14:21 szabgab and be prepared to another release in a week or two :)
14:21 azawawi szabgab++ # Perfect pronunciation of my name in the screencast :)
14:21 szabgab we should get back to a more frequent release schedule
14:21 waxhead szabgab, yeah, that's fine...
14:21 azawawi szabgab: i know :)
14:22 bowtie szabgab, can we turn on scroll bars in xterm by default please, ie -sb before -e
14:22 waxhead it's only been held off due to the amount of changes going on and seemingly a lack of a stable enough version..
14:22 waxhead but we can get back to a more regular release cycle...
14:22 szabgab waxhead: I know
14:22 waxhead I'm starting to lose interest in black ops anyway...
14:22 szabgab bowtie: pls ticket and nag someone *else* :)
14:22 waxhead but finally picked up my other interest that I've left for too long...
14:23 bowtie szabgab, suggest a victim, te he
14:23 szabgab bowtie: btw I now agreee with the prove -l you suggested earlier though I still think it should be configurable
14:23 waxhead I'll finish it off somewhat in the next few weeks, when I work out some RRD stuff...
14:23 bowtie szabgab, under beginner mode
14:25 szabgab azawawi: at least I can pronounce your name if not the English words :)
14:28 bowtie Q is the ORLite DBC able to provide an elements type with out looking at table_info ??
14:31 Hyppolit svn: r14693 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14693
14:31 Hyppolit Added generated POD from yellowbrain STC documentation website
14:31 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/doc/
14:31 Hyppolit svn: r14694 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14694
14:31 Hyppolit And tool that generated them!
14:31 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/
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14:34 azawawi szabgab: spoke today to sorear over #perl6, it seems that perl6.vim is not that fast for Perl 6 lexing
14:35 azawawi szabgab: im looking to make a fast one that does enough highlighting... not 100% correct
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14:36 azawawi szabgab: my target is https://github.com/sorear/niecza/​blob/master/src/NieczaActions.pm6 and https://github.com/sorear/ni​ecza/blob/master/src/STD.pm6
14:36 azawawi szabgab: if i can make them highlight really fast
14:37 azawawi szabgab: then Perl 6 on Padre would be cool... along with syntax checking from Rakudo and/or STD.pm6
14:37 azawawi szabgab: i wonder how far did rakudo improve regarding error messages
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14:39 azawawi and http://blogs.perl.org/users/acme/201​1/06/perl-5124-is-now-available.html is released!
14:39 azawawi what a great day for Perl... :)
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14:41 * azawawi home &
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14:47 Hyppolit # 1231 :  Add scroll bar to xterm (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1231 ]
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18:05 Hyppolit svn: r14695 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14695
18:05 Hyppolit link to FLOSS Weekly interview with Curtis Jewell
18:05 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
18:06 Hyppolit svn: r14696 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14696
18:06 Hyppolit link to Padre on Strawberry Perl blog post
18:06 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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19:37 CargoIT Hi guys, i don't know if it's the right place to ask for this advice... but i try... does someone know any good GUI builder in Perl?
19:37 CargoIT for windows user
19:38 Sewi Yes, the form builder.
19:38 Sewi Should be this one: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/brow​ser/trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder
19:38 CargoIT form builder? it's a softwere or a library?
19:39 CargoIT ah, it's a Padre plugin... i'lll read it
19:39 CargoIT thank you :)
19:39 Sewi You should talk to Alias about it, he wrote it and I saw him using it :-)
19:40 CargoIT thanx , if i will see him online i will ask :)
19:41 Sewi He's in .AU, best chances at at morning euro-time
19:41 El_Che hi
19:42 El_Che CargoIT: wxformbuilder is a GUI editor like glade
19:42 CargoIT ah , ok thank you :D
19:42 El_Che Alias project is to import those files into padre
19:42 bowtie CargoIT, Glade for gtk
19:43 CargoIT ah ok, good to know, thnak you all :)
19:43 CargoIT thank*
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19:53 CargoIT another question... have you ever done a GUI written in Perl? is it stable? or it is not because Glade is still on beta version?
19:53 Sewi CargoIT: Yes. It's called Padre :-)
19:54 El_Che CargoIT: Padre uses wx
19:54 bowtie CargoIT, have a look at http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source​=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=h​ttp%3A%2F%2Flive.gnome.org%2FGTK2-Perl%2F​GladeXML%2FTutorial%3Faction%3DAttachFile​%26do%3Dget%26target%3Dglade-article.pdf
19:54 El_Che wx is a fine toolkit
19:55 CargoIT ah ok :D thanx, because i need to create a small softwere but manipulating a big quantity of data, it will have to run more than 10 hours
19:55 El_Che CargoIT: I have dome some program using gtk2-perl, but only interesting if you run unix
19:55 El_Che if you want something more platform independant, wx is the way to go
19:56 CargoIT yes, i need something very independent, so i was thinking if it's better using perl or java to buind the GUI
19:56 CargoIT build*
19:56 PerlJam Why would it need a gui?
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19:56 CargoIT because it's for biologist... and biologist rarely like to use commandline programs :P
19:57 El_Che perl + wx will give up a pretty native look
19:58 El_Che java + swing will give you the samen non-native look everywhere (although netbeans is pretty nice)
19:58 Sewi CargoIT: There are Wx samples in Padre, go to "File", "Open...", "Samples"
19:58 bowtie El_Che, FormBuilder dose not have support for menus a yet
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19:58 El_Che java + swt is more limited but closer to native (I don't know about swt gui editors)
19:58 El_Che bowtie: so it needs to be added from the code?
20:01 CargoIT what do you mean for "native look" ? simple?
20:01 Sewi CargoIT: Windows looks like Windows, Gnome like Gnome and KDE like KDE.
20:01 CargoIT ah ok thanx
20:01 Sewi Unlike older Java Apps which look like... Java :-)
20:02 El_Che Sewi: older?
20:02 El_Che the gtk2 look of java is getting there, but not yet
20:03 El_Che and the default swing look is not-native at all
20:03 Sewi El_Che: I'm no Java guy, but older Java Apps usually looked like "Java", may be some default libs...
20:03 CargoIT :D yes, so ... if you say it is stable... i could try wxformbuilder or Glade
20:03 Sewi CargoIT: For simple Apps, Tk might be a choice.
20:03 El_Che http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutoria​l/figures/uiswing/lookandfeel/nimbus.png
20:03 El_Che Sewi: they still do
20:04 El_Che Sewi: I am all this week @ java land
20:04 Sewi CargoIT: So: Java Apps look like Java, forget the "older" :-)
20:05 El_Che Sewi: the new look is a lot nice though
20:06 bowtie El_Che, having to code with out a gui builder, is stone age, and very time con-summing
20:06 Sewi bowtie: Not neccessary.
20:07 Sewi bowtie: WX's Sizer concept could be fast when writing source (if you're used to it)
20:07 El_Che http://today.java.net/images/2004/02/laf_fig2.gif
20:07 El_Che that's the previous look
20:07 El_Che metal
20:07 bowtie Sewi, not helped by the api is for another language
20:07 El_Che bowtie: I agree
20:07 El_Che I was spoilt by netbeans swing editor
20:09 bowtie until alias has full coverage of wx in FBP i would rather use glade and I do.
20:10 bowtie if multi os was my target, with gui I would go java
20:12 Sewi bowtie: Ever tried DB/C?
20:13 bowtie Sewi, what is DB/C ??
20:13 CargoIT sorry guys, but using java or wxformbuilder(written in c++) do you think there should be any problem because it will have to launch time-consuming Perl scripts?
20:13 bowtie CargoIT, what os?
20:14 Sewi CargoIT: the Interpreter will be loaded for each launch, a Perl app could just run the scripts within itself.
20:14 CargoIT i use windows, but i need something for all os if i can
20:14 Sewi bowtie: http://www.dbcsoftware.com/dbcsc.html
20:14 Sewi bowtie: I just noticed that they stopped the free DBC/JX :-(
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20:16 CargoIT Sewi, yes, for this reason, isn't better using a Perl GUI instead of Java or c++ GUI?
20:17 bowtie Sewi, thanks, another item for my reading list :)
20:17 Sewi You'ld have to install both frameworks, Java and Perl, but Java is installed on many Workstations, so I wouldn't trade this as negative.
20:17 El_Che CargoIT: your app will not be waiting for perl
20:17 El_Che but for user input
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20:18 CargoIT El_Che, you mean .. using a Java or c++ GUI ? so you think it's better not to use a Perl GUI?
20:21 El_Che I say that it does not matter much
20:21 szabgab CargoIT: I'd say if you want to be corporate then do it in Java, if you want to enjoy your time then do it in Perl
20:21 El_Che a GUI is waiting for input most of the time
20:21 szabgab both have advantages and disadvantages
20:21 El_Che j
20:21 El_Che a
20:21 szabgab just to say a cliche
20:22 CargoIT :D
20:22 El_Che java++: GUI editor if you use netbeans/swing, easy deployable
20:23 El_Che perl++: more libraries (and on a central place), less verbose, better regex and string handling
20:23 El_Che java++: threading
20:23 El_Che perl++: ram usage
20:23 El_Che perl++: community!
20:23 El_Che (seriously)
20:23 Sewi perl++; threading
20:24 Sewi There are some nice threading helper modules on CPAN
20:24 El_Che Sewi: I love perl, but really?
20:24 Sewi Yes, Padre is threaded, too.
20:24 El_Che yes of course, but kinky threaded
20:24 CargoIT ram usage? ok compared to java, but compared to c++?
20:25 El_Che CargoIT: the closerto the metal, the better performance
20:25 El_Che but you'll loose sleep chasing all the memory leaks :)
20:26 El_Che or swearing at thos pesky elements out of bound of the array :)
20:26 Sewi CargoIT: Use ASM if you care about RAM usage and performance, but you might end up 2030 befor your App is ready for deployment ;-)
20:26 CargoIT lol
20:27 bowtie smalltalk :)
20:27 CargoIT no thanx i need to graduate in october XD
20:27 El_Che what year?
20:27 El_Che :)
20:27 CargoIT this one XD
20:27 El_Che (a little before christmas ;) )
20:27 CargoIT :)
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20:31 szabgab then Perl 6 is out of the question :)
20:32 CargoIT ?
20:32 Sewi gn8, guys
20:33 CargoIT what's gn8? goodinght?
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20:39 El_Che yes
20:39 bowtie CargoIT, have you looked at the padre plugins, some of them us gui's, it might help
20:41 CargoIT yes, thanx, sewi linked me the plugin FormBuilder :)
20:42 bowtie CargoIT, also look at the Cookbook in plugin and wiki, very simple examples
20:43 CargoIT i understud gn8? i'm getting nerder! how this is possible? XD i thought i was on the top :P
20:43 CargoIT ah, ok, thanx for advices :)
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20:46 bowtie CargoIT, look at wiki, http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog
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23:11 Hyppolit svn: r14697 | markd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14697
23:11 Hyppolit Removed File::ShareDir lookup as scintilla DLL now side by side with XS DLL
23:11 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
23:18 Hyppolit svn: r14698 | markd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14698
23:18 Hyppolit Fixed bad soname in Linux build
23:18 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
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